KTM Clutch Failure | I finally figured it out | Way more damage than I thought! Highland Cycles

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KTM Clutch Failure | I finally figured it out | Way more damage than I thought! Highland Cycles

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Ай бұрын

My clutch on my KTM 300 failed again and I finally figured it out!
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@fullthrottleahead. Ай бұрын

I've seen push rod end and slave cylinder issues with 690/701 lc4 engine few times. Turns out the customers or previous shops put push rod back in the opposite way and all things went to south.

@ogasi1798 Ай бұрын

i know the issue - you should be riding a 4t KTM like me 🙂, glad you found it in the end and its great for others who see it / informed by it

@MartinCruz-u9s 22 күн бұрын

85 hrs on my ktm 300 when crank seal started sucking oil from crankcase

@bmwlane8834 Ай бұрын

That's a bummer! I've been getting 500-600 hours out of my crank seals. I'm at 1120 hours/17000 miles 300xc and it's been perfect. Best bike I've ever owned. Original crank too.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Normally I do too 😢

@williamcrotts7054 Ай бұрын

Good diagnosis.

@morganeast3403 21 күн бұрын

My xr400r or yz450,yz250 are always ready to rock anytime ,I ride them 3 x a week also crf450x let's roll.

@ShawnBlais Ай бұрын

Good reminder to check that oil weep hole once in a while. I like to stretch my oil changes out too, but the big risk with that is that your crank seal goes bad and you're running drying for up 10-20hrs. Checking the weep hole every cpl of rides gives some nice peace of mind. 338hrs on my 2014 Husaberg, still on the stock clutch components. Fingers crossed I didn't just jinx myself! Seems like they are not really building things like they used to, 220hrs is really not that much if you're keeping up on the maintenance.

@constantink3721 Ай бұрын

Wouldn't do that unless you dont ride a lot... your are going to strip the threads on your weep hole, at least on the ktm

@ShawnBlais Ай бұрын

@@constantink3721 I ride about 150hrs per year. Really dont understand how people strip this bolt, just don't overtighten it, it's not hard! Maybe people are treating it like a case bolt or something...

@constantink3721 Ай бұрын

@@ShawnBlais you just wait ;) I dont strip threads ever and there I was putting in insert in.

@mxracer158 Ай бұрын

Great diagnosis.

@Projoe31 Ай бұрын

My clutch line failed in the exact same spot with only 4 hours on it, had clutch fade as well, thankfully replacing the "clutch pipe" fixed the issue

@MrMatchrocket Ай бұрын

Doing my seal right now as well on my 2020 TPI.... Parts on backorder from EVERY dealer in my area. RMATV had them luckily...

@SCakey Ай бұрын

Been watching these since my buddy has a KTM 85 for his kid and having a helluva time with the hydraulic clutch. Rebuilt slave, re-bled system still having issues but might need to go check his clutch side, he's getting to that point of frustration with it hah.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

So frustrating

@ottokirk2325 Ай бұрын

I see you're prepping the back up BW200!

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Yessir

@wfo_racer Ай бұрын

Love to see you pulling seal and replacement 🎉🎉

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

It’s coming.

@MrMatchrocket Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles Can't wait!

@scottwaters1154 Ай бұрын

Thanks very informative

@vince5946 Ай бұрын

sorry for the bad luck. Dirtbikes are machines and machines do break unfortunately

@paulsladinski1236 Ай бұрын

I've had my 20 ktm crank seal leak too ...mine was pretty easy see /smell ..caught it early so i didn't burn anything up ..ktm=keep taking money 💰

@mpetkov2158 Ай бұрын

You might want to check behind your ignition cover too. The LH side balancer shaft bearing is highly loaded and once it develops some play the seal will go as well allowing your gear oil to go into the ignition cover cavity.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Yep. I’m replacing the left side seal too.

@SuperWiez Ай бұрын

At 3:56 there is a gasket where you show the ball bearing. The kits come with it but if you look at the diagram online you should only use them in certain year models. Generally the two strokes only use the o-ring to seal it off. Took a look at the diagram on the 24 300 and it shows to only use the o-ring and not the gasket on the slave. Made the same mistake on my 250 but caught it before it became an issue.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Thanks.

@James-nc2ed Ай бұрын

Sucks this happened, but as a mechanic when you see something like this it's cool. How odd that repeated hydraulic clutch failure would be the first symptom of a bad internal engine seal.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

I know right?

@jeffvincent1960 Ай бұрын

Don’t forget to replace the crank spacer bushing and o-ring. Had the same failure on my ‘20 300 TPI. No clutch failure though.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

All coming

@adamkinmond2125 Ай бұрын

would be interesting to see the condition of the clutch rubber dampers. doubt it would cause problems but probably good to change while its apart. Rekluse makes an upgraded version of the stock ones. would be cool to hear your thoughts on this aswell.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

I am replacing them. With OEM but definitely going to be new

@zachfarkash6430 Ай бұрын

Im hoping its all good for you after all that. Kind of crazy to think that a crankshaft seal would cause all that 🤘🤘

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

I know

@zachfarkash6430 Ай бұрын

@highlandcycles that's one of the reasons I love my 89CR250R good old cable operated clutch 🤘 really hope it work for you this time your bike is awesome

@donaldblank8873 Ай бұрын

If you didn't have the clutch on setting 3 the clutch will slip under high power. Especially in hill climbs. This has happened to me twice. A light clutch feel is not always a good thing. In my opinion. I'm running Hinson clutch discand plates, And the stronger Bellevue washer. No more slippage. Everywhere I'm at it's major hill climb.

@babar69110 Ай бұрын

1/ i f*cked up a rally after a crash, some thin air in the hose on front master cylinder: it was good after purge then each time revving, lever fading a way. took lots of time to find it as just not enough screwed. 2/ found too that the clutch hose going to slave cylinder was too near or touching engine heat.... 3/ when clutch fades away after too had work, i just thro fresh water on the gearbox case. 30 sec later , all is good... the engineering of these bikes is not made for hard use in hot temp... nothing cools down gearbox oil..... 4/ purging clutch line is not enough as lots of slave cylinders have a snail chamber and old oil stays in it, contaminating the seals and diaphragm. I systematically open and flush/clean it .....

@KCCLBTHORX Ай бұрын

Yeah I would have definitely flushed it but Sorry it blew so fast. Least it went out somewhere safe to pull off and get back to camp. Hope round 2 goes better.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

This is round 3 and flushing had nothing to do with it. Have you finished the video?

@KCCLBTHORX Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles yep

@d.brayman3165 Ай бұрын

I have a YZ you can borrow. Sorry, too soon? 😁 I'm glad you figured out.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

😂🤣

@woodysrockspyro6436 Ай бұрын

Hahahhahaha Or a sherco😂

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

@@woodysrockspyro6436 I’d rather walk than ride anything French 🤣

@woodysrockspyro6436 Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles 🤑🤑🤑 No... you'd rather push. 👽👽👽 Bikes are like kids... we love em but they are trying to break us 90% of the time. The other 10% we gotta carry them to where we wanna be 😃😃😃

@chadrides914 Ай бұрын

😂😂 💯 can’t beat a YZ ever.

@davewatt5215 Ай бұрын

Thanks for all of the great videos and "heads up" but could you at least clean your nails if they are going to be in the video....LOL😁

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Haha. Nope

@jamespeterson7404 Ай бұрын

Off topic question, I like your sunglasses! What brand are they? Thanks for the awesome content!!

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Thanks. They are MSR. Here is a link bit.ly/4bh2AKd

@enduro-parts-aus Ай бұрын

Crank seals are such a pain

@P4ddyC4ke Ай бұрын

Finally the answer!!!

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

I know!!!

@davenawahine4428 Ай бұрын

You could have drained the oil, pull the small cover, fire it up and work the clutch, problem might jump right out.

@calvinjones2745 Ай бұрын

PRC!!!🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽

@davidanderson2393 Ай бұрын

Just an FYI you might want to check the CCP sensor and see how much oil is pushed up into the inlet of the sensor while you have good access.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Good idea. Fortunately on these bikes it’s easy to get to.

@Metalefty3 Ай бұрын

Ha! That semi rare BW200 behind you.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

So cool. It still runs!!

@bradleymuha4861 Ай бұрын

Highland if you had to get a 4stroke Dirtbike, with your knowledge in the industry which brand / model would you go with?? I know you prefer 2strokes. Honda? Yahama? I doubt it would be KX.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Would be an Austrian 350

@buddysumner4022 Ай бұрын

Shit brakes, you are a good hand at fixing bikes ,,

@CraigSteinman-zt3vu 23 күн бұрын

I dont have all the goofy issues on my yz250..u do on these hi-tech new fangled..ktms..thing is if Yamaha made a yz300x with a electric start..thing would go back to the waY they were for 40 years..no one would ride a ktm..

@ottokirk2325 Ай бұрын

Time to move to the Chinese GPX300?

@husaislander4838 Ай бұрын

My Sherco has not had any problems. Just busting your balls HaHa. i still have my 2017 Hucky TE 300 as a back up bike.🤘🤘🤘🤘

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Haha

@marshallthomas957 Ай бұрын

I’m not sure if I missed the episode but are you not racing the beta anymore? You went back to the TBI?

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Yeah. I only raced the beta in hard enduro and one other race b

@rearwheelslider Ай бұрын

I think the push rod spun the slave piston.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Yeah. That’s what I found

@jayhopkins1337 Ай бұрын

Do you recycle oils? Where do you take oil mixed with water?

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

I do. I have a guy who takes care of it.

@MajHazrd Ай бұрын

You know what they say KTM stands for..... Keep The Mechanic :)

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

No. Keeps Taking Money.

@jackcrippes Ай бұрын

Which flag style hand guards do you like better molecule or sxs burly?

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Molecule but both are great

@baldknobby Ай бұрын

All the oil is on your swingarm, lol.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

I know 😂

@scottschwager9739 Ай бұрын

Say thanks for your gearsaver oil keeping your clutch going 😂

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

100%

@matejkersic Ай бұрын

Is this common issue with TBI or also TPI?

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

No. It’s just a 2T thing

@Frostbyte911 Ай бұрын

Off topic question, do you have a specific coolant that you use?

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

In my 2T bikes I use Evan’s.

@Frostbyte911 Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles same on 4t?

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

@@Frostbyte911 no. On 4T I just use normal stuff. Napa, whatever. If you’re going to ride hard stuff on a 4T, make sure you have a fan

@richardhartley1705 Ай бұрын

Could of been a lot worse Morgan 👍

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Yep whew

@constantink3721 Ай бұрын

why do you use the rekluse slave ?

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

It’s a nicer part. Better materials

@constantink3721 Ай бұрын

Surprised you didn't notice the difference in clutch drag etc... probably a slow leak enough leak where you got used to it

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

@@constantink3721 I know. I didn't notice anything.

@motoxposse Ай бұрын

Don’t you check your trans oil before every ride??? I find that odd. Maybe it’s just me but I treat my trans just like any other fluid gets checked regularly

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

I don’t. Mainly because I’ve seen a ton of those check bolts strip

@MechShark Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles You don't break down your bike to the molecular level before each ride to verify alchemical integrity hasn't changed?! 😂

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

@@MechShark hahahahaha

@ShawnBlais Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles I use mine all the time and just tighten it gently, never leaks or comes loose so there's no need to overtighten.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

@@ShawnBlais I agree but you’d be amazed at how many are stripped. Also, so many aren’t the right level. In general, I just drain it and fill with the right amount. As long as this doesn’t happen you’re good. And this shouldn’t happen at 200 hrs. Every other bike I’ve ever owned went WAY longer.

@randytidwell5836 Ай бұрын

it this Loretta or the newer ktm

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

This is Loretta. The 23 XC

@abrahamcunat3749 Ай бұрын

Aceite cada 10 horas

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Yep. I went too long

@onthethrottle7104 Ай бұрын

I would reevaluate the type of oil you use.

@ShawnBlais Ай бұрын

Good point... Rotella T4 never gave me these kinda of problems :p

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Hahaha. I think any other kind of oil would have let the trans fail. The oil definitely didn’t cause the seal failure. I’ve used gearsaver in motors with over 800hrs on them

@ShawnBlais Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles I'm totally playin, it's just gear oil, I don't overthink it. Good luck with the KTM!

@stevemccutcheon-qz2me Ай бұрын

Time for a Rekluse LOL..... I am just kidding I know you don't like them

@hello-dirt Ай бұрын

Maybe you should get a GPX 300. 😂

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

🤘🏻😂

@painsrides3616 Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles Don't listen to @hello-dirt Morgan....DON'T LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😲

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

@@painsrides3616 he kidding

@painsrides3616 Ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles I'm not ..... 🤣

@danielmiller6871 Ай бұрын

80 weight gear oil huh? Humm??

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

Yeah. And I’ll never use anything else. It’s great and it’s saved me a transmission twice now. The first time was a hole in a clutch cover in a race and I finished the race with no oil left but never replaced a part in the transmission

@woodysrockspyro6436 Ай бұрын

Stupid bikes! 😊

@scottphillips445 Ай бұрын

The 1st thing I would do is call slavens. He should be able to diagnose the problem and sell you the parts you need

@lanwickum Ай бұрын

Drained it and didn't fill it last time? You would not be the first.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

No. I had that flash through my mind for a second but I rode it for too long for that to be the case and some oil came out, just not much.

@chadrides914 Ай бұрын

You seem to have a lot of problems with the beta 200 you had a lot of problems with the beta 300 and now you’re having a lot of problems with this KTM I’m starting to wonder all the aftermarket parts that you’re throwing on these bikes levers and what not starting to wonder if it’s not the operator that’s causing a lot of them.

@highlandcycles Ай бұрын

The beta 200 didn’t have any aftermarket stuff on it that had anything to do with the clutch. The beta 300 motor is completely stock with just a spark arrestor on it and the beta suggested jetting. My KTM? That does have the easy assist on the clutch but it was the crank seal that caused the issue. So….