Sounds like a great neighborhood 🙄

@@angelasmith1112I second that. ❤ sometimes you need street justice!

Lol, same kind of neighborhood where kids steal the entire bowl of candy on Halloween.

@@angelasmith1112: sounds as if the HOA couldn't keep order despite all the pettifogging rules. 😂😂😂

that was you and we salute you but be honest, it was you

here here

It’s literally the concept of a pyramid scheme. Paying phantom dues for the top people to pocket and send out bs expense reports.

You can't outlaw contracts.

@@irl8796 The board is elected by the residents. YOU pick who gets paid, and how much.

Agree 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% I live in one and had I known what I was buying into I would have never done it. Soon we'll sell this place and the next place I live NO HOA.

Thank you

makes me happy. wish it was 100%

Thanks for doing the leg work. I had to know.

You sir, are a saint

WAY TO STICK IT TO THE MAN!!

Well I guess I'm moving to Germany then...

Sounds good in theory. But, it makes suing a large company/wealthy person nearly impossible

That doesn't sound good at all. Corporations could easily get away with shit.

​@@DrJesus-km7gf No, they can't do that. They can only get their rights. If they win, the court has ruled that they are in the right, and if they are in the right, they didn't get away with shit, they just got their right. It's the other way around: right now they can get away with shit because it doesn't matter if they're in the right or not, they can sue you and even if they lose, they can ruin you in the process and end up getting what they wanted that way even though they were never in the right. They don't hit you because they were in the right or win in court, they hit you because they have more money than you and at some point you won't be able to defend yourself because you'll be stuck with your legal fees even if you win.

The lawyers are the ones that make the laws. This will never change in the US.

He should sue the members of the HOA in their individual capacity.

Charlie Runs - unfortunately they may have been many board members and some moved away. No it’s better to just sue the HOA and make the board members in charge of the pocket book now just pay him and say nothing. I wouldn’t want to anger this man.

It seems unlikely the HOA would have the funds. I can't imagine his neighbors being too keen on his taking all their dues meant to go toward amenities, either. No winners in this case outside the lawyers.

@@ghostfox8550 meaning that the HOA has spent around the same. Should we assume that they have unlimited funds and disregard the source?

@@JKiler1 absolutely! He is not part of the HOA. They had zero authority over him. It would be people of he bankrupted every homeowner and official in that HOA.

That sounds like it could be a movie.

Great job!!

careful, hes a hero

@@dillondana8273 Im no hero....Just a troll lol

Not all heroes wear capes! Good job sir/m'am

There is absolutely no other reason for you to become part of the board of an HOA - Easy money. Stay away

HOAs only exist in the Stupid American States, this is not a problem of the humanity

How many of these people actually get away with this bullsh##.

@@benjaminchisolmjr7863 not that many or there would be so many videos you wouldn't watch them and local legislatures would take action to stop others from encroaching on the bullying usually reserved for government.

No

Stay far away from HOAs, they can literally turn your life into hell. I can’t understand why would people want to pay someone to tell them how to handle their property and the excuse of keeping the neighborhood to a certain standard sounds like BS to me. It’s nuts

@@marite135 exactly 💯.... I'd never pay someone to tell me what I can do with my property.

Narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths LOVE to get on the “board” of HOAs so they can exert control and dominance over the homeowners that are just trying to live a decent life. Often, they embezzle HOA funds. Nothing is wrong with any HOA, it’s just who moves into the neighborhood and cons themselves onto the board.

@@ErikaLaGrande the problem is the power structure allows for it to easily happen. Just like Government, Unions and very large corporations...

And they clash with the lemon green slacks your wife wore yesterday!

Sadly that is what HOAs have devolved into.

It just kinda proves that communism doesn't work at any scale, not even a few homes in a community.

Prime example of American corruption.

@markasread4349 You mean sentence structure not spelling because his spelling is fine.

@@teamofone1219 Boggling does not have 3 g's in it :P

@@SevenRiderAirForce and that is the only spelling error, what is your point?

@@teamofone1219 You were being pedantic but made an error. I thought you would appreciate being corrected in this manner lol.

This is not an isolated incident. There are many cases of HOAs going after people who never joined the HOA, or have exercised some sort of escape clause. Often it occurs when a non-HOA neighborhood elects to start an HOA, but some opt not to join. Other times a developer buys up land adjacent to existing homes, and the new development become an HOA, but the existing adjacent homes are not, but the HOA treats them as if they are.

@@jsmith1746 ... that's true I heard of a number of cases like that going on right now in a few states ( California New York Florida and two or three others if I remember right )

That is what I call FIRE POWER wuth extra ammo 😁😍😍🤩🤩😁😁😁😁😁

Good for them!!

It should be straight up Illegal to send letters like that. It should be illegal for any HOA to try to get people to join if a HOA. It's insane to me that a HOA can have this kind of power to foreclosure , In my mind HOA's are just small communities that maintain common areas.

I'm living one NOW !!!!

True. Look for deed restrictions instead. They help maintain value without having "overseers".

some areas, like Houston, its nearly impossible to NOT live in one... sucks...

I was looking at one and the HOA was almost 1k a month. Nah! In Houston, hahaha.

Oh Gosh. I bought my first home and it's got 2 HOAs! A gated community one and a general area.

Nope. IRS far more honest and above board. (Which should also tell you what I think of HOAs)

Worse than IRS. HOAs make their own laws and ignore government laws if they can.

Ironically, they’re typically more conservative suburbs. At least here in socal.

I have to think the majority of the time you don't have those issues. Lived under my HOA for almost 30 years w no drama. The fees we pay are worth the amenities we get in our case.

You do not know how life works@@ksrmk

@@unfeomateo Because my experience does not match yours? Got it.

@@ksrmk it works until it doesn't... and then it becomes a nightmare that you cannot get out of unless you sell.

I did for 5yrs. Living hell. Never again.

"Partial"? That doesn't mean he signed off on that amount ONLY, correct?

@D Sandoval Yes, he did accept it. The choice was either take that or take nothing.

@@LucidDreamer54321 AAWWWWWWEEE!! Damnit! Dam HOA! Still that's a bit over a third what he was asking, including the courts decision in his favor. But it would've been nice to see him win the 300k.

Thank you

I would have asked for refund of dues paid plus interest and attorney fees.

from the UK, whats a lean

Lean as promethazine?

@@kevn9002 😂

Dude their doing the same at my mom's. I went up there and told them everything is being recorded and I want to speak to whoever sent this letter. They brought up the owner and he tried to intimated me, I told him thank you for the evidence of your misrepresentation and your threats. I told him from here on out your gonna be talking to my lawyer. My lawyer told me no more letters will be sent to her or her community. Apparently we weren't the only ones that were pissed. Your not taking advantage of my mother tf

You should contact your title company before a lawyer. The title company's job is to make sure everything you are responsible for is listed on your title policy. Lawyer is a good idea, but this is exactly why you pay for a title search when you buy a home. If they missed something, the title company is responsible to pay it, not you. A lawyer will be happy to take 300-600$ an hour to read and call your title company which you can and should do for free, unless you just like to pay things unnecessarily.

They were never designed for single family homes, but for condos. It was to pay for the upkeep of the building, not tell neighbors how their yard should look. Funny thing to me is, HOA people who want to be in one, justify paying HOA dues to keep their property value up.

because they cant forclose someone elses property over 200 dollars. they do indeed act via lien. people on the internet dont know what they talk about.

What makes me mad is they're EVERYWHERE. Been searching for weeks for a house. Not a single one is independent. All (even apartments) are under control of an HOA. This is ILLEGAL: making me pay HOA fees on top of property taxes. One HOA will cost over $12K in three years! Nope. Not even going to look at the house.

ITCHYisVegeta you would be right; my HOA came up with a rule that on garbage day, all garbage cans had to be taken in off the street by 10:00 a.m....most of the HOA members were retired, but the rest of us worked. They wanted us to come home from work to put the garbage in side...crazy.

We were considering one, then received their covenants book. When I got to the part that said they could come into your home to "inspect", I called the realtor and told him never in this lifetime.

@@ediththrift1209 That's not owning a home, that's renting. BS!

Exactly. HOA's are just for Karen's to have a sense of control over people. So dumb.

That is a perfect way of explaining what these bastards are!

Sounds like ALL government

They should all be brought up on RICO charges and locked away for good.

Not legal in WA. Move

Do they not tell you that there's an HOA?

And how do you vote Democrat or Republican?

@@crashnburn586 they just said it wasn't easy to find a non-hoa home in a state that Trump won by almost 30%. So, whatever point you think you're trying to make isn't going to work.

@@crashnburn586 Well, they said they were adults, so the clear answer to that question is Democrats! You utter peanut.

@@woopimagpie 😂😂😂

@@crashnburn586 Considering that they dont want to be ruled by an authoritrian hoa, im guessing they didnt vote for trump. Also, since they were smart enough to not want an hoa, that means they didnt vote for trump. A record amount of college and high scool drop outs voted for trump. A record amount of people with college degrees voted for biden. These statistics are online for anyone to look at. That explains why trump can lie about a stolen election and so many stupid people believe him

Agreed. Made that mistake once. Got two petty notices about my lawn too high. I was out of town both times, and a third about a car in my driveway that hadn't moved in 3 days. Never again.

Good advice. Now, try and find one. HOAs have been become the norm in new communities.

@@michaelmartin9903 those greasy morons send me warning lettera and fines about a trailer parked in my driveway, funny thing is i dont have a trailer and the address was wrong but they had my name on it... they are sub human shitsickles

In some areas its almost impossible to buy a home built after 2000 that is not in a hoa

Help! Being held captive by an asshat hoa. Says I have for cones on the ground under a FIR TREE! . Thats nature. All they are is power hungry people that should mind their own business .

Steve Lehto (Lehto's Law, here on KZfaq) had a segment where he talked about a Florida homeowner who got a judgment against a bank, who refused to pay. Got an "order of execution" and showed up at a bank branch with deputies and a truck and threatened to take out the judgment in confiscated furniture & fixtures. One phone call by the bank manager and he got a certified check.

@@josepherhardt164 I remember seeing this on tv.

So true

Joseph Erhardt Steve Lehto is a douche. He will ban anyone who posts proof in the comments that he was incorrect about something. Then if you email him about it he will respond that it’s his channel and he can block whoever he wants for any reason. He sucks as a lawyer that’s why he has all the time to do videos.

@@jefferyepstein9210 and what was he wrong about?

Most definitely 🙊

@@kisshooters69 U!

@@kisshooters69 Sigh...ok boomer, in simple terms (I'll go slow you you can follow along), it's an abbreviation or acronym for "F*ck You"....more commonly used in internet slang or chat texting culture. I know it's sometimes hard for you older generation folk to understand new slang, but it's ok. You can learn something new everyday right? 😁😁😁

JangX I am a boomer and I find your response hilarious!

@Samuel Shin WTF are u so salty about? I was simply responding to a troll comment to my post...I wasn't extolling the virtues or vices of each generation (which every generation has). BTW I'm not even a millennial so this makes your comment even funnier 😂

Good job to you and your neighbors. It usually doesn't work out so well Secret meetings are unlawful in many states but many boards know how to get around it.

@@user-uf9xj3wg9h i think they may have wanted to sell our HOA owned well to a private company, for a kick back, but not sure

Stealing

@Sphincter Says what? To add more, our HOA used our savings fund to hire a law firm to defend their "rights" to have secret meetings, they lost, but it must have been very important to them to keep things quiet, there are around 800 homes size of a small town

@Asphincter says what? hahahaaaaa. do you live in an hoa home, or do you work for an hoa? Hey time shares are wonderful too! Let me sell you one.

That's what I was thinking.

Hey got 70% of his legal fees paid . The HOA finally gave up

@@niyablake only 70%? why not 100%!!!

@@Baebon6259 That's what the judge ordered

Yup because that’s what they do to tons of people everyday, give em a taste of their own horseshit.

Big ditto! HOA people are the worst.

ITS THE WHITE COMPLEX . History shows whites are greedy and dumb.

Not all people. But definitely some. That's for sure. All one has to do when in power is begin with the end in mind. How do you want this to end? Keep that in mind and you'll never disappoint your clients.

@@davidhutchinson5233 it's too many to count. if there's a societal attitude towards HOA which there is now... Then something has to change because it is a clear problem.

Most HOA members are narcissistic and treat it like a business & title.

Most of us don't want an HOA. The hard part is finding a home that isn't in one.

That's extortion.

Good. Kill them all

@No Recourse certain kinds of folks like to label anything they don't like as socialism, even when it very clearly is not

Great story, thanks for sharing it!

🙌🙌🙌❤️👊

sounds like a load of crap lol

❤🤣

Your father is brilliant and an amazing person to not give up a fight that was very difficult to win. BRAVO to your father.👏👏👏

Your grandpa was a smart, brave and principled man.

5 acres are usually R5 and not HOA's.

​@@torilessHe didn't say otherwise.

No, friend, we do not live in the land of the free. That's just a leftover phrase that pings people's patriotism. History tells us what real freedom looks like; it's nothing at all like what the U.S. is today. Consider: _"On the eve of World War I, government expenditures were less than 2 percent of GNP and 99 percent of the population paid no income tax. The income tax had just been introduced, but the top rate was only 7 percent and applied to incomes exceeding $500,000. The federal government had around 400,000 employees, less than 1 percent of the labor force. About 165,000 troops were on active duty. No federal regulations of capital or labor markets existed. Agricultural production and distribution were also unregulated."_ _"There was no minimum wage rate and no social security. One area where there was a rather aggressive interference in the economy concerned the rates and tariffs that the railroads charged. Antitrust was also strong._ *The conflagration of World War I marks a violent break with the letter and spirit of the Constitution.* _Property rights were suspended on a large scale. There were wide‐​scale nationalizations of rail, telephone, telegraph and to a lesser degree ocean shipping. Over 100 manufacturing plants were nationalized. The government got involved in labor‐​management relations under the Adams Act in 1916. Conscription was instituted. The Espionage Act was passed in 1917. The Sedition Act of 1918 imposed penalties for anti‐​government expression, subverting the Bill of Rights. The novelist, Upton Sinclair was actually arrested for reading the Bill of Rights and Roger Baldwin, one of the founders of the American Civil Liberties Union, was arrested for reading the Constitution. President Woodrow Wilson accomplished all this under emergency powers granted to him by Congress in 1916."_ Excerpted from www.cato.org/publications/commentary/democracy-vs-liberty-trump-fails-understand-founders-have-all-presidents

They will pay him back because he was awarded attorney's fees and 15k in HOA fees returned.

If you don't like HOA fees, then don't be a fool and buy a home that requires entering into a HOA contract.

@@nomosnomosowicz7379 , watch the video instead of responding to the title. Begin at 1:50 and listen carefully until 2:30.

@@RichardHarlos I didn't respond to the title. I actually watched the video where the home owner states himself that he was awarded fees and past HOA payments.

I live where there is an HOA. They exist because people like me want to own property but have no desire to bother with taking care of gardens, grass, roof leaks, etc. My HOA largely leaves me alone. I forget they exist for the most part, but they keep up where I live beautifully. All utilities other than electric are included in my HOA fees. There are no special assessments because my HOA keeps a healthy reserve, even in pandemic times. Heated garage, pool, etc. none of which I have to bother with, which makes me happy. I get there are a lot of bad HOA’s out there, but like people, it’s best to evaluate each one individually.

@@technomewmew smh

@@technomewmew So does that mean that you are lazy?

Uppity "WHITE" attitudes...

In private neighborhoods the roads are (very often) not owned or maintained by the city or county. The HOAs in these private neighborhoods are therefore responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of the neighborhoods private roads, parks, HOA swimming pools, club houses, garden areas, etc. Without the HOA dues; the neighborhoods facilities would soon be in horrible conditions: the roads for instance would be nearly impossible to drive on. I have seen this before in my business (land surveyor). Where the HOAs do not maintain the roads as they are supposed to. They often are found to be spending that HOA dues money on meetings at expensive venues and trips for the board members and families instead. Property values plummet as people do not want to repair their cars every time they drive to and from their homes, on torn up roads. That was the original idea for HOAs. Greedy assholes and assholes with dictator complexes have thoroughly destroyed the original good intent and the purpose for HOAs to the point that many despise them. I purposely sought out a home that was not part of an HOA. I passed on a few very nice homes to do it too. I am one who despises them for what they become not for what they were originally intended.

So you moved because of them

Owning a house but not being allowed to do anything to it without permission from peers seems like a massive restriction of liberty and therefore very anti American.

@@Oli-Johnson It's more than that. They tell you what to do and if you don't pay they can evict you. Sound familiar?

@@jakejones5736 And if they make the "dues" sky high the homeowner has no recourse. They are unaccountable to anyone.

I love living in a neighborhood where most the houses on my street were built in the 70s. It’s a good safe neighborhood and everyone maintains their yard on their own because it’s just the type of culture here. We don’t need an HOA forcing us to keep up our property. The city does do checks on external upgrades to make sure no houses are falling apart, to keep property value high. But I can paint my house whatever color I want, don’t have to check in with someone before I park my car in the front of my house, pay extra dues just to live there, none of that crazy stuff. I thought about building new but there were only plots in HOA areas. Tiny yards and huge houses and I wouldn’t even be allowed a fence for my dog. No thanks

hey i know one person no HOA can touch for 1 simple reason :: the scumbag HOA trys to include her property into it and herass her -- they end up taking a swim in sement shues !

I always thought "grandfathered" was a prank by jim

One way to keep a HOA from bothring you :: build a working reactor in the garage or basement !! Unless the HOA board members are insane they will leave you alone And wont come nere your home ! I herd of somebody building a reactor in there garage ! Dont remeber were it was !

What total morons. She’s probably the kind of neighbor most of us would like

​@@tww1981The nuclear boy scout? Honestly I think a critical nuclear reactor is less likely to kill you than a HOA and considerably more useful too!

Plus court costs!

Dang right!!!

with daily compounding interest

@Mr Jones um lol .. wait what? Trump? I think you meant the Demo-rats

@@marikiemarie7622 no, he's right. dump trump and the redumblicans.

Rusty Shackleford and then everybody clapped

Pro tip: don't buy a home in a neighborhood that wants and enforces a HOA if you don't want a HOA.

@@nomosnomosowicz7379 Did you even listen, he was not given a choice.

@@nikotesla2071 Actually, he entered into a HOA contract when he bought the home. It was the validity of the contract that paved the way to the Supreme Court. Had there been no contract, there would be no trial. Also, in other videos he concedes to signing the contract, which are verified by the trial summaries. He had every intention to pay for the HOA services received (just like his neighbors) and then he found a way to get out of them, while still receiving those same benefits (courtesy of his neighbors picking up the tab).

Lol people that can't afford lawyers don't live in communities with HOA's

@mothman1967 - Also sue the humans behind the HOA until they become some of the poorest homeless

They weren’t “wrong”, they were knowingly CRIMINAL! That’s like cartels charging extortion fees. It’s blatant Harassment, blackmail, extortion. Holding your home hostage!

except the HOA will just pass the fees off to the homeowners as a special assessment. Sue the HOA members individually so they have to sell off their own homes to make the payments. Two birds-one stone. the fees get paid and the evil HOA members have to move.

Sandy, I'm glad for you. Truly. But all it will take is 1 or 2 busybodies/Karens to get elected to the board to change all of that. All of a sudden all of those CCRs get dusted off, reinterpreted and your life becomes significantly less fun. The problem isn't the HOA, it's the people who run it - and that changes over time.

Simplistic

You do realize neither did he, it solved NOTHING!!!

HOA? Never!😮

My neighbor in in the middle of painting their home, almost done. I think it looks better. I think all the fencing we have is cedar with 501 stain except mine. I do not know why, it was painted by the precious owner. It is the same color as the house trim. I think it was originally Apache White (a contractor's pale yellow color). I never found a match for the house color but any repainting has all been trim, so-far. Paint lasts much longer on cedar. None of my neighbors have cedar so they start having issues after only 5 or 10 years. Mine is nearly 20 years old.

Most of the time, "extra" dues go into the pockets of the board members. They will print up fake invoices for fake services rendered, and hope they don't get audited. Crooks.

Those board members get elected then get in there and realize that it doesn't cost as much the maintain the community .and there is a lot of money. That no one knows about .because everyone believes it's going to the community. So they get their greedy hands on the money and start shoveling it in their pockets.then they get even more greedy and start raising dues . Basically it's extortion

Good for you, eldor. I don’t own a house but when I do I’m make sure I don’t have no dam hoa

No HOA would want my home in it!!

It started off well intended to keep people from parking broke down vehicles in your yard or hoarding garbage but it went to far when you get warnings for grass being over an inch or a political sign on the yard, stupid crap like that!

Yeah, HOAs. We are all charged the lake fee, now. Used to be just the properties edging the "lakes" But, we have No water craft, we don't fish, no radio controlled boats, etc. We have no need for the oversized ponds.🙄 But yet, we are charged for upkeep of them. It even used to be an ugly weed-filled hole in the ground for several years. And, the meetings when we can vote on anything, or have our say, are always on a night we have something else committed to.

Some home buying websites have "No HOA" as a selling point.

@Simeon 2 - its called paying the protection money to a slightly soft washed Ma-fia

@@Killerspieler0815 There's no better explanation than that.

The old protection racket, that is extortion.

Legalized extortion and racketeering.

Don't. Go live in the woods

Had an HOA force everyone to paint their houses. And guess what, they were all stucco and only about 15 years old!

What did you expect? When you give thugs and opportunity to have power *without checks and balances* they become tyrants. See also: cops without internal affairs or good sheriffs.

Could definitely file a complaint, announce in their board meeting what they were doing so the rest can hear. Once that's done and no reparations were made in most cases you can sue

@@ICYDRAGONS there's always the problem that when suing an HOA, it has infinite resources to fight you, using your own money

Well if I had termites I would not wait for the door to fall down or for harassment from HOA, nor would I care if they were negligent re spraying for termites b/c first sign of a termite I d be on it.

That’s what the ruling was. $15,000 in back dues that he paid and then $320,000 for his lawyer. That’s all he would be entitled to. If the HOA doesn’t pay or tries something else he can then sue for damages that their lack of payment has caused him. It could be $5. but the courts will add much more. He would not be entitled to anything more than his out of pocket expenses to make him whole. Courts don’t give out punitive damages for stuff like this. A Jury might but once they appealed and went to the states Supreme Court there is No jury. And courts do not award extra money for inconvenience to someone. Only for Bodley harm that lasts a long time or life or damage to their reputation that caused a harm. Loss of job, loss of client, loss of friends, family.

can't get blood out of a turnip. should have paid the court ordered fine/loss. that would have been admitting they were wrong. they could have made settlement w/o admitting wrongdoing and left it go.

Randolph - yep and no one In The unit / housing development 1 would have been the wiser.

M.A.R.N .E - well he can if he wants to spend more money sizing the HOAs assets, A building, computers, the HOA gate (sell it for scrap) stuff like that. Even better if he seizes the community pool (if they got one).

@@auntiem873 Ignoring proof that the guy's home was not part of the HOA is willfully harmful and I would think the court would want to discourage this behavior by assessing damages.

Negligent misrepresentation, not criminal.

@user unknown misfeasance

Even if it was a criminal case the HOA, or any association, LLC etc. is defined as a person and would absorb the conviction as a whole. The criminals running the enterprise may be replaced but would not be personally charged. They wrote corporate law this way so they can steal your money and walk if they are sued. Guess who ends up paying the fines. It isn’t their money. The only difference is if they steal federal money. Meaning tax fraud etc. Then someone may go to prison. That is why all of them have off shore accounts. When they get out of prison they still have all the money they stole.

Nope how about Hilary Clinton and her emails nope

Mike Powell not necessarily true that the money needs to be federal. If the fraud is bad enough there’s a thing called “piercing the corporate veil.” Essentially meaning that those people committing the fraud would be charged criminally without the protection of a corporate entity.

After he tried to foreclose the guys house when he stopped paying dues. Gestapo is exactly what they are.

@Steven Harvey - HOA is just an other word for a 1943 "Blockwart"

@@Killerspieler0815 good one

He's the reason some of the units aren't part of his little country. The guy you're qouting built the units and sold them.

yeah I thought that was funny. Legal thievery is all it is, just like mortgage companies.

Exactly. I'm still young and renting, but will be looking to buy in a couple years. The second that I hear of an HOA or a Strata I ain't getting anywhere near that property.

HOA's were devised as an instrument to keep minorities and poor people out of more affluent white spaces. When that was deemed illegal to do directly they were then used indirectly towards the same ends. Nowadays they are ostensibly used to preserve neighborhood standards and property values, but in reality are just a tool for power mad neighbors/the land developer to control a private citizen's home and life for pleasure and/or profit. Never buy HOA, dissolve them where possible, and always read the purchase agreement.

THIS! YOU ARE CORRECT!!! HOAs ABSOLUTLEY lowered the value of homes for me so much that I would not even consider buying ANY HOME in a HOA!!! I moved my family from northern Mi to southern Mi and the areas in SW Mi have HOAs all over. we spoke to many realtors and a few told us that our ABSOLUTE NON NEGOTIABLE REQUIRMENT of NO HOA was unrealistic for the areas we wanted to live to be close to my new job. they tried to tell me that HOAs were fine and not to be scared of them. I asked them all the same question... Do YOU live in a HOA? every single one of them had the same answer! NO they don't live in a HOA!!! one of the realtors would NOT stop sending us houses within HOAs so I told her we were no longer willing to work with her due to this and blocked her everywhere. The other ones got the hint and stopped sending us houses in HOAs. we found a great house with no HOA in a great area. even has a pool.

Kind of a nice little microcosm of government, isn't it. Started for legit purpose, but then got increased in power and corrupted by lack of express limitations.

This is the nature of man. All organizations should plan ahead knowing that miscreants will attempt to hijack its power.

In Texas, they are immune from lawsuits.

@@attabanana4709 Then hang 'em, yee haw!

Not only time, but determination, perseverance, integrity, intellect, honour, courage etc etc etc. Many have plenty of time but very few would do this or be capable of doing anywhere near this protracted effort to correct a wrong. An impressive person indeed 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Just FYI, the technical term lol for a male Karen is Chad.

Best comment Bahahahahaha

Couldn't have said it any better haha

What's a Karen?

Kristen Jett. They seem to do nothing but harass the people that live in them. They illegally boot cars for not parking in garages, illegally harass people for placing alternative landscape, try to illegally include people in them that don't belong to them, and harass the downtrodden elderly for faded paint. Hoas do nothing good, ever

Ohhhh don't EVEN get me started on the arc

The architecture committee isn't actually architects. It's a committee that reviews development plans to make sure they're in line with the overall esthetics of the community

I have a problem in my HOA. We purchased a condo on the river but we are on a canal sort of and it has a dock for a pontoon boat. Well I can’t put a pontoon boat because when the tide goes out all sludge is sticking out of the water and it’s not deep enough and the H away refuses to dredge it. Then next door the bank foreclosed on the home and it’s been sitting there for a while now and all the back deck is rotted and that’s my view. Do you know if I have any legal recourse?

I have a problem in my HOA. We purchased a condo on the river but we are on a canal sort of and it has a dock for a pontoon boat. Well I can’t put a pontoon boat because when the tide goes out all sludge is sticking out of the water and it’s not deep enough and the H away refuses to dredge it. Then next door the bank foreclosed on the home and it’s been sitting there for a while now and all the back deck is rotted and that’s my view. Do you know if I have any legal recourse?

@@rockn997 you cant fight city hall....they will win them all

Then never buy in a city, they have as much control. I know someone in Mill Creek, they said she had to tear out her flowers since they were purple. They do a lot more too. I told my agent NO houses in Mill Creek.

@@toriless Let's hope he is a well adjusted human, who does not live in such pseudo-human environment.

well, let's see. FIRST, no one is telling you what you can or can't do, it's in the agreement/by-laws you signed. They should only enforce the agreement. SECOND, a lot of hoa's eliminate the exterior yard cutting and landscaping, saving you tons of time you can spend with your families. not all are bad, it's the ones with stay at home anybodys that are the problem.. the big hoa's tend to have the most corruption, and the ones with multiple homes with relatives on the board-so that you end up with too many of one family on the board creating their kingdom.

I pay $238 a month and it has gone up 4 times since I moved in 3 yrs ago. For that money they cut the grass and clear the snow that is over 3 inches. It can take 2 days to do it. Last year they charged an extra $200 because there were 2 small snow storms the entire winter season and they claimed they needed more money. They maintain common areas but do not fix anything else around our houses. They fine us at every opportunity and without warning

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@chris kibodeaux no judge *has* agreed with the idiot here.