When I hear Mid, I think that means acceptable. A movie that isn’t bad but doesn’t really leave an impression. A movie that is watchable but not much else. But I think this movie is far too harmful to the franchise to be considered mid. It’s character assassination for almost every returning character and also breaks a lot of the world building. The movie isn’t unwatchable but I think that it causes too much damage to the franchise for people to be okay with it.

Telling Poh to retire, while he's like 21-23 is wild💀

Tigress is the Most disrespected character in History - Orphan - no one wanted to adopt her - no friends and isolated in the orphanage - Tries hard to win Shifu's affection as her daughter - Lost Dragon Warrior to a random guy. - took a random guy one montage to be stronger than her - irreverent in KungFuPanda4 - rejected as dragon warrior for 2nd time, even though she has mature

-No Furious Five -Mediocre villain with nonsensical backstory -Ruins the villains of the first three films -Po is forced to retire despite the fact that he is still young -Akwafina

Ways to make this movie good: 1: Replace Zhen with Tigris 2: Have Tae Lung's fight start in the beginning, then let him escape and have a redemption arc 3: Let the freaking artist's do their thing

Kai was destroyed in the spirit realm at the end of the 3rd movie. He shouldn’t even be in this one cause he literally doesn’t exist lol

One of my biggest fears has come true. And it's that Puss in Boots 2 wasn't a sign of a new direction for Dreamworks, it was an anomaly.

The Kung Fu Panda trilogy was the perfect representation of body, mind and soul. Po in the first learns how to accept himself as a fighter, Po learns to deal with his past in the second, and Po gains the spirit of the dragon warrior in the third. What makes the fourth the worst is that Po never learns anything. Its just another boring, rushed, cash grab "adventure" that gives the studio an excuse to run this franchise to the ground.

Remember guys: If you think that a movie ruined the franchise, just forget about it or pretend that it's just a fanfic/it doesn't exist. There's no pacific rim 2 There's no jurrasic park 3 There's no megamind 2 And there's no queen of Eng... ... I mean, kung fu panda 4

Here’s how you fix the Chameleon: 1) Give her a damn name. 2) Instead of an in-universe contradiction, make it that she never had the courage to actually do kung-fu herself and thus needed guises. 3) Make her able to take forms through observation, not random vore magic. Thus leading to: 4) Have her only have brought Tai Lung back in the beginning as her anti-Dragon Warrior weapon, with the intention of using him to be able to witness Po’s abilities in full. Ultimately leading to 5) Po being her ultimate objective because _at the end of 3, he was the most powerful kung-fu Master on the planet, leader of the Valley of Peace and, rightfully by 2, should be a hero renown throughout all of China._ Having his strength thereby, in her mind, making her the strongest. A villain with weakness, vice, an actual plan that progresses through the film and an end goal that aligns without plot holes or retcons.

Bro literally the whole point of the dragon warrior was that he was the ONLY one. It’s not that a generational thing. He was the first , and (supposed to be) the only.

justice for Tigress, she is way more deserving of the Dragon Warrior role than Zhen

Apparently in an earlier draft, Tai Lung was supposed to be redeemed and finally become the dragon warrior How were we robbed THIS badly?

I'm perplexed about why they make the Kung Fu Panda 2 villain bow to Pou That mf would never pay respect to anything that isn't a mirror, he's too much of a narcissist to bow down to the guy that beat him of a species he tried to eradicate, wtf

I’m getting annoyed of hearing Aquafina in almost every movie.

6:44 Why is Shen in the spirit realm?! It is clearly established that only Kung Fu masters can enter. Shen is a great fighter but NOT a Kung Fu master! Shen wanted to destroy Kung Fu!

I remember when everyone was saying that Dreamworks was entering a golden age because of Puss in Boots the Last Wish. Wow was everyone wrong.

What's sad is that the co director wanted this movie to be more like 1st and 2nd one's bit wasn't allowed to since the main director had the control...

I love the Kung Fu panda Trilogy. It does kind of suck that it had to end at 3 but I'm glad they did, because I don't know about you but the fourth entry in a franchise is usually where the downhill starts. 100% Glad that a fourth movie does not exist.

Something that also fucking blows my mind is how now almost anyone can become the Dragon Warrior. Tai Lung dedicated his whole life to it but wasn’t made for the role. Same with tigress and she was colloquially known to become the next Dragon Warrior but NO! Po shows up and throughout the movie we are shown how it is more than just training, dedication etc. Someone literally has to be fated as the next successor to the title but all of a sudden a wolf/dog idk is just chosen. Yea the scroll was blank and shows us that it is power within yourself, but with Shens vision, Pandas having innate talent for Chi, Oogway, we are shown how it is destiny at play.

There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy and there is no kung fu panda 4

Still better than Megamind 2

Chameleon should’ve been a combination of Tai Lung, Lord Shen, and Kai. Testing Po’s strength, will, and spirit all at once. A missed opportunity with the chameleon is that she could be disguising as people throughout the movie, such as shifu to gain information on Po. Or heck, she could’ve shapeshifted into Po’s mom, that would’ve really destroyed Po. But NOPE! They didn’t do any of that.

I wasn't the biggest fan of the 3rd film, mainly because it didn't hit the emotional levels like the first two films did, but this 4th installment just makes it look like a masterpiece by comparison. I was onboard with this franchise being six films but after a few years since the 3rd movie's release, I was at peace with there only being a trilogy. Now, I really wish that was the case.

9:57 So Zhen was actually a villain and gets chosen as the dragon warrior but Tai Lung never gets chosen despite how wronged he was and his original passion for the title? okey dreamworks, makes sense....

Kai returning made no sense. His spirit was obliterated he shouldn't be in the spirit realm! Did the creators of this film even watch the third

Oh hell no we are NOT doing this! We should've stopped at 3 and honestly. This isn't canon. You can't change my mind I will not see this as canon. I will ignore the fact it exists.

MY IDEA FOR KFP4 Scrap the character of Zhen entirely. instead of Shifu having Po pick a successor, have his announcement be that he wants the Furious 5 to disperse to spread his kung fu teachings across China. have THAT be the change Po doesn’t want to adapt to. Before any of that can happen though, they get word of the Chameleon so Po AND the Five set off together to take her down. Keep the humorous subplot of Po’s dad’s following to make sure their son is safe(I honestly really liked seeing them work together). make the chameleons backstory be that she was turned down because she didn’t want to put in the effort to actually learn kung fu, that’s why she’s looking for this shortcut. Double down on the Chameleon bringing back old villains, making it like a Kung Fu Panda version of No Way Home. Keep that amicable exchange between Po and Tai Lung so he gets his redemption before going back to the spirit realm. And along the way Po learns to accept change and we end the movie with a tearful goodbye as the Five all leave and Po stays to run the Jade Palace, that way you can still bring all of them back for a sequel if you want.

What they ACTUALLY should have done with kfp4: -Remove the return of Shen and Kai, Shen got crushed under a god damn ship and died to his own cannon balls he ain't coming back, Kai got completely eradicated and erased in the spirit realm he also ain't coming back -Bring back the furious 5 -Rename and give The Chameleon an ACTUAL backstory, here's an idea: name her Princess Chamelia or smth like that, and her backstory would be something along the lines of her and her family getting humiliated by kung fu masters and she ends up training and learning magic and she becomes more power hungry and she defeate anyone in her way without mercy like the og masters humiliated her family a while ago, hell an even better idea imo is that the chameleon's and the pandas had an ancient war and The Chameleon has beef with pandas after her parents got killed in the war so she learns magic and takes her rage out on Po or smth like that -Make Po not give his dragon warrior position -Make Po bring back Tai Lung as a last resort once he gets defeated by the chameleon, then they both work together and defeat the chameleon (not without some beef before tai lung acceps po's offer tho) -Tai Lung gets his redemption arc and Shifu finally becomes proud of him -Make Tigress the new dragon warrior in a future movie -Remove and scrap Zhen entirely -Bring back Po's intelligence from kfp3

I'm so glad someone else agrees that Po would have picked Tigress to be the next Dragon Warrior. There is no way that Po wouldn't pick Tigress, someone he's known and trained with for years and sees as a close friend, over some random fox girl that he first met trying to steal relics from the Hall of Heroes.

It's wild that Dreamworks is simultaneously destroying its best franchise (KFP) while it made a phenomenal sequel to one of its most random spinoff films (Puss in Boots). Does that mean they will ruin How to Train Your Dragon, and also make an amazing Madagascar Penguins movie?

I'm so glad to see someone else holds this trilogy in such a high regard. We both respect these films, more so than the creators apparently. At least whoever was involved in the making of this fourth film. I hope there will never be anymore sequels to come from this, they're not acceptable and certainly not necessary. I hate how forced the storyline was of passing down the torch and the narrative of "change" when true change doesn't come from force but from the opposite: a voluntary decision. Did we once in the movie see that Zhen even wanted to be the dragon warrior? Sure, she may have had a change of heart but why make her the next warrior and get rid of Po so disgracefully as if he has no purpose anymore other than to crack stupid jokes and get fat eating dumplings. And speaking of free will I definitely saw no realization moment for Po that he genuinely wanted things to change in his life. The whole movie he didn't want to give up his position as the dragon warrior (and why did the movie want him to retire so badly anyways? He barely got to be the dragon warrior for that long!). In the beginning when Shifu made him choose a new dragon warrior to take his place he pointed to himself and even at the end when he "passed down the torch" by giving Zhen the staff it seemed so forced. He didn't "choose" to give her the dragon warrior role he was forced into doing so because "plot". It's just honestly so poorly written it hurts because these movies and characters, especially Po, mean so much to me. His growth and development and acceptance of his self and his determination to never give up, even when he struggled and so heavily doubted himself, has always brought me back to watching these movies again and again and being inspired by them. But this movie failed to inspire me and it failed our beloved franchise. You deserved better, Kung Fu Panda. You deserved better.

Is it just me or does it feel like we've been getting nothing EXCEPT for movies about "passing along the torch"?

I hated how they nerfed all the villains. Tai Lung was a mad fighting machine being able to destroy armies. You can hear Tai Lung's anger everytime he screams and when he says "Who denied me my destiny" Shen was a guns-blazin' psycho maniac. He was toying with Po's emotion like a puppet. Allat for him to get absorbed in 2 seconds Kai literally swept Po and made him tell the other pandas to run for their lives. I dont think a guy with that much power was caged that easily when he cut literal mountians

Even though I found this movie enjoyable enough, I will not defend the lack of the Furious Five or their choice to falsely advertise a proper return for Shen and Kai.

Puss in Boots 2 gave me hope for Dreamworks, but I guess it wasn't a sign of good things to come... but rather an anomaly between disappointments.

No one's probably gonna care because it's not a meme like Giorno's Theme, but I like how Stand Activated is playing in the background. 1:01 Glad someone still acknowledges Josuke's Secondary Theme.

3:17 ''until he suddenly pulls out a gun and shoots him-'' had me dead

Bad Movie Council: “You are on this council… but we do not grant you the rank of mid.”

kung fu panda 4 should never exist. It should be rebooted. Po should remain a dragon warrior

I will continue to live my life in the believe that there are only 3 movies :)

Love how the chameleons name is just the chameleon all the other villains had actual name but this name imply she’s the only chameleon and that’s her only name and that’s funny to me

Honestly, I think that Po passing on the torch on the fourth of a six-movie franchise is beyond stupid. We've already seen master shifu become to Po what Master Oogway was to shifu, so why is Po passing on the torch at such an early age? Shouldn't Po search for a team of future successors WAY before choosing the dragon warrior? Shouldn't at the very least Master shifu pass away before Po even considers passing on the torch? This movie should've been about either redeeming past villains or Po learning to be a master to a new team of warriors, NOT passing on the torch to a character we just met. If this was the case, then the fifth movie could be about grief or accepting death, as shifu slowly showed signs of old age, and after his passing, the last movie could be about passing on the torch, not only to the next dragon warrior, but to the next master of the dragon warrior. Hell, the next master could be tigress! She really deserves it.

2:04 laughed audibly, exactly why the first 3 were good movies.

Fun Fact: the director didn't want to give The Chameleon and Zhen Backstories. And by the time the rest of the crew finally convinced him, it was basically too late.

Fr, ngl we should've gotten either tigress or atleast tai lung instead, since they both trained for the scroll but naw, just give it to the random character who knew some stuff about the villian and backstabbed the villian in the ending... l o g i c

Tai Lung maybe would bow down to Po for his general respect of strength.... BUT SHIN! He'd never side with Po

"You knew Kung Fu Panda was a trilogy! You always knew. But when the Executives demanded otherwise, what did you do? What did you do?! NOTHING!" "Oh you want to release KFP4 so badly.... You think creating a new installment would be great for your company, fill some... crater, in your soul? Well here's your truth, Dreamworks is falling off." "Wait, it's working! No! No..! Hahahaha... No, it's not. Did Pixar teach you that little trick(toy story 4)? Too bad! It only works before the movie comes out."

Here’s my rewrite: First, the Tai Lung scene at the beginning. Still have him crush all of Chameleon’s minions, but add Zhen to the fight to establish her early. Then show Chameleon’s sorcerous powers as a natural counter to Kung Fu used in a simple, battle-oriented manner as Tai Lung performs it, so she can win in a reasonable way. Then Tai Lung manages to escape after losing his power and reluctantly decides to track down Po, the only person he’s willing to consider arguably stronger than himself, so that he can take revenge and retrieve his stolen power. He replaces Zhen’s role, acting as the opposite of Po’s personality, trying to resolve every encounter with violence (in place of Zhen’s roguery). Rather than Po somehow needing to learn peace, it’s Tai Lung, and Po is the one trying to teach him. Zhen is a recurring minor antagonist throughout the film who uses trickery, cunning and traps to try hindering their progress, but is ultimately foiled at every turn by both Tai Lung’s ferocity and battle prowess as well as Po’s wisdom and good nature. These are the ways to show the parallels. As an example, Zhen hires local criminals in a city, Tai Lung beats the mooks within an inch of their lives, while Po befriends their leader, who decides to turn over a new leaf, taking his groaning and injured subordinates off to do good deeds instead. Have a gag where Tai Lung shows disgust and says he’d never let himself be “redeemed” like that while Po just looks at him with an expression reminiscent of Oogway. Then over the course of the movie he can actually go through enough character development to become redeemed, most likely at the end. Show that Po is noticeably stronger than the Chameleon, but needs to use his abilities carefully lest he cause collateral, or maybe she says the stolen abilities will die with her, so Tai Lung keeps insisting Po hold back because the entire reason he recruited him was to regain his powers. We can then have Po take an arguably suboptimal and obviously foolish decision to save Tai Lung’s life during the final fight which costs him his own Kung Fu, making their shared enemy stronger than ever before (evil Po now having a reason to exist as a design) but inspires his old foe to awaken his inner strength and surpass even his old stolen powers. Tai Lung then defeats the Chameleon by using a more spiritual form of Kung Fu like what Po had in KFP3, eventually becoming recognized as the next Dragon Warrior ONLY when he finally lets go of his ambitions and begins to respect Po. He can with great reluctance say something like, “Perhaps I was wrong after all… You really were worthy to be the Dragon Warrior.” He bows as in the movie, then Po bows back and says, “No. *You* are the Dragon Warrior now. You’ve earned it.” Choosing his old foe, now friend as his successor. Like, I get that it’s a bit cheesy, but I think it’d be a lot better than what we got while still maintaining the same cast, themes and premise.

Whats happening in Hollywood? It really feels like every single great movie series has been ruined one by one *on purpose* . They aren't just make mediocre sequels, they're destroying our heroes.

One thing I don’t get is why even bother worrying about stealing the other villains kung fu? Why wouldn’t you just steal the Kung Fu of the guy who beat them?

You know what would've been cool? That Tai Long appeared since the start of the movie, escapes his predicament and somehow, over the course of the movie, Poo really does make the redeemed Tai Long into the next Dragon Warrior in a sort of "turns out he was destined to be the dragon warrior after all" kind of twist.

I lowkey expected Tai Lung to be the next dragon warrior via a redemption arc (him and Po against the chameleon), Po reteaching him Kung fu and a final fight between him and Po in full Puss vs Death style. I was disappointed to see that it was just a cliché animated film with cliché characters and shit villain that shat on the trilogy

When I saw the trailer I knew this would suck because Tai Lung lost to a fucking Gecko

THANK YOU!!! People calling it mid is ridiculous, when comparing it to the original trilogy it is awful, when you don’t, it is bad

The worst part was tigress. It’s literally the point of the first film that a child who is not accepted by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth. Tai lung was stepped over and it was dangerous…. So then they decided to do it all all of the 5 at the same time…

It feels like studios are doing what they can to kill legacy movies, in order to force people to look elsewhere, hoping people lose interest and competition. It just feels too coincidental how so many movies are ruined lately. Another movie put to the "never existed/fanfiction" story.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees a uncanny resemblance to Star Wars, I genuinely hope that it doesn’t meet the same fate as Star Wars because like you this was one franchise of my favorite franchise as a kid.

When you mentioned Tai Lung's would-be redemption arc, it actually fits in well with the overall theme of the franchise. Reconcile with yourself (1), reconcile with your past (2), reconcile with your future (3), and reconcile with your foes (4). Kai and Lord Shen would probably fail, but not the leopard. This franchise could have been an ever-deepening dive into forgiveness and acceptance of one's reality. Instead, we got an insecure magic gecko and a fox with three braincells.

The way that they treated Shen was so disrespectful

bluds calling it awful when not even caring about what the hell disney is doing to children💀💀💀

What I hated is that EVERY OTHER VILLAIN at least had some personal connection to Po,that made the fights a lot more epic, Tai lung was refused the position as Dragon warrior and had the same master as Po, Kai was an old friend of Po's master's master, Shen Literally committed GENOCIDE on his people, not Chameleon tho just some boring villain who's only connection is a plot device

Hold on, a movie about Tai Lung's redemption interwoven Tigress' rise into the next Dragon Warrior would've been the perfect mix of "the obvious continuation" for the fans and a huge pool of love and passion from the people making the movies.

I sorta get what they were going for. They could have made a couple of changes for the better tho. Heres my little rewrite: *ACT 1:* the start of the movie is basically the same. We see Tai Lung breaking through a jail/ army but we just see the aftermath. Cut to shifu recieving the message that Tai Lung has returned. Concerned he rushes to po whos meditating in the blossom tree area. He tells po that Tai Lung has returned which makes po excited. "Alright! We havent had any big bad guys in a while!". Shifu gets angry and tells po that its serious and that he should treat it seriously. Po retorts that as the dragon warrior its his job to kick butt. Shifu tells him that hes not just the dragon warrior anymore, hes the spiritual leader of the valley of peace like oogway Po tells shifu that hes not oogway, and that he doesnt even know what being a spirtual leader means. He thought it was just meditating under the tree. Shifu explains that, life is like the cherry blossom tree. The seed is planted, grows, and eventually the tree dies. The leafs become one with the wind, the bark becomes home to insects and a new seed is planted which becomes the new tree. Oogway tells po maybe its time for him to move on and ascend higher as a master/teacher. Its time for him to plant a seed, and choose a new Dragon Warrior. Po is obviously conflicted. Being a kung fu master is all hes ever wanted. Its all he wants to do, he doesnt known how nor wants to be a leader like oogway. He goes to talk to tigress about it Tigress is now a caretaker at an orphanage. She works with kids and is surprisingly less grouchy. She hugs po when she sees him (fan service) and he tells her everything. She tells po that maybe shifu is right. Oogway chose a successor and moved on so why shouldn't po? Heres the first big twist of the story so far: through their conversation its revealed that po has been the dragon warrior for 10 years, and thay the furious 5 have retired, and disbanded in those times of peace. They each moved somewhere else except tigress which is still really close with po -----------‐---------------------------- *EXPLANATION:* If you didnt notice, the start of this movie is a mirror of the 1st movie but from the perspective of po who is in oogways position now. Its important to notice that i flipped the chsracter arc position of each character. Po was a loser who dreamt of doing something great, and a beginner in KFP1, but here he starts as an experienced kung fu legend that doesnt wanna stop. The furious 5 were pos icons in the peak of their primes in the 1st movie but here they are retired and disbanded. Tigress was a cold kung fu master training to be the dragon warrior also unwilling to listen to po, but here shes open and stopped fighting. Even mr Ping Retired to spend his time traveling with pos 2nd dad. Its a mirror of the 1st movie but everything is presented the complete opposite on purpose. In this re write KFP4 is the last installment of the po era. Its meant to be a send off to the characters but also a thank you to the fans. If you didnt catch it the theme here (like in the one we got) is moving on. The audience grew up and so did the characters. Back to the plot: -----------‐----------------------------- Po seems to agree with tigress. The whole ceremony to choose the dragon warriors stays the same, minus the screaming goat. Po cant move on from being the DW so he goes back to being that. He catches the Zhen stealing from the palace, she fights himoverwhelms her and emprisons her easily. The difference here is she beats po by taking advantage of his naive nature. She convinces him to take her on to go find tai lung (chameleon) *SIDENOTE:* The 1st movie was abour po being put in a physical test. Here he beats zhen physically but she outwits him. Like shifu said: fighting with your hands isnt the only form of combat. There are non physical ways to win a physical battle. We deconstructed the 1st movies core idea *ACT 2:* Similar to Kung Fu Panda 2, this act will focus on Po and Zhen traveling together. This is used to build up Zhens character. In this re write shes a good fighter but her style isnt unique. Its very logical and linear. But shes smart and uses her wit and instincts to overcome obstacles. Shes a foil to KFP1 Po who mastersd kung fu and beaf tai lung by using his body to fight, and unorthodox learning, while Zhen uses her strategy, linear thinking and wit. KFP1 po had confidence issues, Zhen doesnt (shes an experienced thief). Po let the natural flow of thinfs carry him, but she cant do that. Zhen reveals her back story and here its basically the same. The only change is po acknowledges that maybe he does need to move on. The cherry blossom seed scene happens but here Zhen shuts it down by saying shes amready at peace with who she is. They are who they are, theres no reason to change that. Po being set on being a "spiritual leader" even offers to adopt her as an apprentice to eventually become a master at jade palice. This act will flesh out Zhens character. She does objectively wrong things like being a theif but shes at peace. Thats her identity She can be a likeable one tho through witty humor. The act ends with po finding tai lung but its the real tai lung. He tells po he didnt do it, but wont mind fighting him again. The fight isnt as important but here we introduce the chameleon. Turns out she set everything up to bring po and tai lung so they could fight and tire each other out Here we make another change: she needs pos chi to open up the spirit world and summon all the kung fu masters so she can take their skills. Her motivations need to change. Thats why here shes again very similar to po. She started out as the loser like po. But she had no sifu, no oogway, no furious 5, no scroll, no Mr. Ping. In KFP2 po found himself. So in her we deconstruct it by asking : what if po didnt have all these leaders and mentors? Thats Zhen. A person just as motivated as Po was but who didnt have the same fortunate people to guide her so she turned to chi/sorcery based Kung Fu instead of learning and going through a journey like po. She wants to absorb pos "scroll powers" Chameleon steals tai lungs abilities. When backed unto a corner Zhen runs away leaving po to be beat. Similar to KFP2 Po makes a final stand. Po tells Chamemeon that there is no scroll powers. This makes Chameleon remark that if there is no power than she'll make her own by stealing every masters abilities to become a real dragon warrior. Using clever illusions and disguising herself as Zhen Chameleon manages to beat po and steal his abilities/chi. The chameleon leaves a powerless po and tai lung as they are no longer threats. Po encounters Zhen who came back for him. She hugs him but this time po pushes her away and not sure if shes another one of chameleons tricks, but also upset that she didnt change. They talk and Zhen says goodbye. po remarks that they are who theybare and they cant change that. They part ways. The last scene of this act is Chameleon absorbing the skills of every Kung Fu master and preparing to go absorb the rest of the overworld masters -----------‐----------------------------- *EXPLANATION:* Kung fu panda 2 ended with finding Inner peace and the main villain dying due to not being able to let go and be at peace. This act is the opposite. Po is broken and in turmoil not trusting anything. Zhen had inner peace at the fact that she was a thief who didnt do any good and only cared abt herself. Her conflict between staying the same self centered thief or trying to change breaks her inner peace. Again this is a foil to how KFP2 ends and a deconstruction of the emotional test

Why does po even need a successor rn. He’s only in his 20s it’s not like he’s old asf and can’t be dragon warrior anymore. (Also I thought the dragon warrior was something like the avatar where the title passes when the previous one dies, but that was prolly just me making assumptions) 😭 this story would make atleast a bit more sense if it took place way in the future

The movie feels even worse after you consider how much hype we got thinking all the previous villains would join each other, form a villain group and fight Po and furious 5 together, or perhaps join forces and fight the chameleon. Nope, they got two minutes of screen time in total.

2:28 do NOT diss Nimona like that

3:55 mantis doesn't exist I guess shortest kung fu master

Why do these writers keep thinking Akwafina is the best thing to put in a movie.?

Po choosing Tigress would have made so much sense and would have worked way better. 1. He already idolizes her (also has a crush on her). 2. She already deserved the title the most in the first film, and now even more so. (key word being deserve here) 3. She is the peak at physical Kung Fu, but where she always fell short was the spiritual side due to her upbringing and emotional neglect. This is where Po and her are completely different. Po could be the one to help her overcome her upbringing, connect more with the world. This way, we are shown that Po is able to function as a spiritual leader and Tigress' character finally gets the development and spotlight she deserves.

Either Tai Lung or Tigress deserved to be the dragon warrior. How perfect it would've been, can't even imagine. Nah but they decided to introduce a completely new and annoying female character whose behavior is same as of any other typical feminist archetype, and decided to made her the dragon warrior. Imagine having trained for over years, day and night and still not being chosen for the position that deserved you the most. How f**ed up(That was for you Tigress)

_"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."_

lets just do what we did with pacific rim pretend that 4 5 6 are not cannon

The fact that tai lung was not the next dragon warior is the biggest miss of all times since it would have been perfect for him, but instead we got 2:30

The most infuriating thing is that Po is never allowed to mature. He grows in power, but Shifu, who really, REALLY should've stepped down by now, comes along, tells him that he hasn't fulfilled his destiny yet and basically resets the previous movie. I think Shifu is the bigges problem at this point. He contributes nothing but lords over everyone else because Ugway gave him a stick once.

So the story is basically the same as my hero academia ( season 3 )

Man I was sure that at least Dreamworks might take a while to fall after puss and boots the last wish but it literally died immediately after

Thank you for understanding that mid=mediocre, not bad.

You saying “I just knew she was going to be the new dragon warrior” as if thats some mindblowing assumption is silly

They really did not need any extra characters. In fact, they didnt even need Zhen. The Chameleon in concept is a cool villain. I think she woulda been the only new character that would add something. Zhen was so unnecessary and Awkafina is the least funny character along with Dwyane Johnson. My problem with her in Kung Fu Panda 4 is that she never has a funny aura and she tries to be funny in her dialogues and ends up overdoing it. And those crooks zhen hangs out with underground in Juniper City did not need to be there. The Tavern scene was unnecessary. Maybe The movie did not need all the furious 5 characters back but it would have been better if Tigress became Po's successor as Dragon Warrior fighting the Chameleon. On top of that, one of the things that makes the kung fu panda trilogy awesome is that both po and the villain struggle from similar issues (identity crisis in 1, family trauma in 2, and the desire to attain chi in 3). The difference is that while the villains never understand how to overcome those issues, Po does and comes out victorious. Imagine Kung Fu Panda being one where Tigress was also heavily doubted as a kung fu master along with Chameleon and Tigress, like Po, overcomes that struggle while Chameleon does not. Idk but something like that would have made the movie a lot better. And the Chameleon should have been as menacing as she appeared but was not. Overall, the movie was very mid and could have used better storylines and such. But I think Zhen's character and Awkafina's inability to be a good voice actor made the movie much worse than it was. I hope dreamworks sees this and keeps Akwafina as far away from voice acting as possible and also fixes the Kung Fu Panda franchise.

People have their rating systems entirely skewed people think 7/10 is mid , others think 5 is god awful and so forth, standards are so weird and yeah this movie sucked but people have a hard time saying something is just bad

Man, this is just sad. If they wanted to make something like passing down the torch there were 2 fascinating characters that they just "forgot" that could take the role. Tigress: I mean, in theory, if Poh, didn't fall from the sky she'd be THE one. She'd be A MILLION times more interesting than Zhen and we could deepen way more her character if they added some sort of conflict with Poh in the sense that maybe she was still a bit jealous that he became the dragon Warrior instead of her. (And don't even tell me that she "can't have that" because she already reached inner peace by the second movie. Bullshit, they quite literally changed Poh's character from the conclusion and acceptance he got from the last movie, they can bend Tiggress to have this resentment she needs to let go.) Tailung: Simply what a powerful story of redemption it'd be if Tailung got all of his kungfu stolen by the chameleon and Poh found him in the real world re-teaching everything he learned throughout the movie, while he learns forgiveness. I don't know what DreamWorks was thinking, all I know is that I want a bit of what they were smoking.

4:15 "You're too short"

Chameleon opens up the spirit world, what she does next: yum yum yum yum

People need to double down on this. Not only is it terrible it disrespects the writing and beautiful craft of the other 3 movies.

Could've been a redemption movie for Tai lung, who manages to escape the spirit realm by beating the shit out of the chameleon, and goes on a redemption arc with Po to eventually become the dragon warrior, and the two of them could take on the chameleon once she's more powerful after taking Kai's chi or smthn idk

This is what happens when the directors go: "it's just a kids movie anyways, who gives a shite" Was my fav animated movie franchise, what a shame

There is no shrek 3, there is no nine realms, there is no mega mind sequel, there is no kung fu panda 4

The real kung fu po was that one Christmas special thingy that tells you the importance about family.

Finally, an opinion I agree with! I've seen so many KZfaq videos reviewing Kung Fu Panda 4 and calling it mid or just existing, but I truly believe it is a horrible movie. The fact that the Furious 5 don't have any lines, the fact that the chameleon doesn't have any interesting motivations, the fact that the first three movies have themes in body, mind and soul while this one has nothing. It truly has the same feel that Megamind 2 does, just another movie from a popular franchise that greedy corpos want to milk for money

I few ideas i had recently for KFP4 for make both the villain and the movie better was: -Chameleon actually using her magic for learn Kung Fu much faster and combining it with magic, striking fear in all the masters. She use her shapeshifting abilities for both learn the secrets of the Kung Fu masters but also for control the whole city and for steal all the Kung Fu from the masters (as we saw). -Zhen is actually there and send a message to the Furios Five, begging for help. They come but are outclassed by The Chameleon because she play it smart for steal their Kung Fu and imprison them (better reason of why we dont see them till the end) -We see a scene where she use all her magic for open a portal of the Spirit Realm for get Tai Lung Kung Fu. With a huge challenge, she manage to succeed but Tai Lung escape and is basically unable to use Kung Fu now -Chameleon find Zhen's betrayal and she imprison and steal her identity for take Po's staff. During the time with Po, she try to gather as many info as possible to use against him. -Po meet Tai Lung and he try to help him to redeem himself, teaching him to be humble and all that. -In the first battle with Chameleon, Po is defeated and psychologically damages by her imitating his mother and all his friends. -Tai Lung save him and they need to rescue The Furios Five but they are powerless without the Kung Fu. However, Po remember that he can use the Chi as well and decide to donate some of his Chi to Tai Lung for also 'prove to not use it for itself but for the good' -They attack right before she can open the portal and Po use his Chi for share the power with the Furios Five and defeat Chameleon. -Po decide that Tai Lung can become the Dragon Warrior but he refuse because he first want to fix his mistakes. Let me know if you guys like these ideas

I predicted that she would become the dragon warrior. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Sometimes I hate it when I am right.

You touched on a very logic point. Why couldn't the next Dragon Warrior be Tigress?! It would at least make sense! Plus, DreamWorks really p1ssed people off lately. They released one of the best US animated movie of the decade: Puss in Boots 2, the Last Wish. It's a sequel of the sequel that follows a secondary character from Shrek. And it's sublime. The movie was crafted with so much care, passion, sensitivity, humor and wit. It got praised by critics, the public, fans, content creators all over the world. And the movie was also a financial success. *What's a bigger green flag than that to keep investing in great sequels?!* Especially now that major players like Disney and Pixar are missing the mark badly? I'm pretty sure they could delay the release of Megamind 2 and Kung Fu Panda 4 to improve these films, make them with high quality. I'm also pretty sure the public would be ok with waiting longer to watch a good movie of their beloved franchise than to witness a hurried release of a bad movie that starts a series of crappy movies of that same franchise. GEE, DREAMWORKS GET YOURSELF TOGETHER!

I have to disagree that Zhen is like Nimona(the Netflix one). Nimona has personality. She ain’t monotonal like Asha from Wish, Captain Marvel, and other Mary Sue. Heck, she even got development when she got betrayed by Gloreth(and seemingly by Ballister). Meanwhile, Zhen got training from Chameleon but she was made Dragon Warrior for no reason at all. The writers just put her there like a placeholder where Nimona is the cause of the story, the existence of the wall and to proceed the plot further. Without her, Ballister wouldn’t have a chance in the netflix movie.

Okay tbh literally the second it shows that Zhen was working for the chameleon my brain just immediately thought of Kitty Softpaws working for Humpty Humpty but then feeling bad about it and going back. Also yeah it was way too obvious that Zhen would be the next dragon warrior like what about tigress and the rest of the furious five like bro they should've each became the dragon warrior forever ago

When you bring back old villains, it can still be interesting so long as you give them character and new trials to overcome. What they did for this movie was nothing more than light fan service

If this is supposed to be a new trilogy, you don't pass the torch on the character's first appearance. If this trilogy had to be made, make the fox thing earn it. Torch passes can work, but like you said more often than not the character who is given the torch is unworthy and unlikeable.

Tbh as weird as it is Illumination have actually been doing better than Dreamworks this year. While they didn’t make Kung Fu Panda 4, they’re making the real Megamind 2 with Gru & JackJack put in for good measure.

8:09 We’ll she can turn into anyone. It’s just she can’t use their powers until she does the tongue thing and takes their powers.

"This is Nimona, this is every MCU female lead" Dawg is out of pocket but he's right