Kunkin Woes - Faulty Kunkin KP184

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Jerry Walker

Jerry Walker

4 жыл бұрын

I recently purchased a number of Kunkin KP184 electronic loads. Unfortunately one of them has a potentially dangerous fault. I have a look to see if I can repair it.

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@joea3728
@joea3728 4 жыл бұрын
As a another KZfaqr pointed out, the screws on the back of the Unit are connected to the heat sink, A Potential electrical shock risk, since they are in close proximity to the power switch. The entire backplate is potentially at positive input voltage. So this plate cannot be grounded, yet the sides of the case are. Make sure you turn all the input current/voltage OFF and Disconnect before you turn the Unit on or off.
@sv1eia
@sv1eia 4 жыл бұрын
Just received my KP184. Before powering it up got it opened and checked just in case there is any similar issue with the transformer. And yes it was. Transformer was touching the mosfets above, just as the video was showing. There is a very narrow space there, just a few mm and obviously some good bump did this. So, pushed a bit the transformer and its metallic base in order to not making contact and thats it. I wouldnt even imagined that issue, so kudos to Jerry.
@PatrickECleary
@PatrickECleary 4 жыл бұрын
Ditto for my KP184. Electrical + Kapton tape and some bigger washers should do the trick. Thanks Jerry.
@alexfedorov1160
@alexfedorov1160 3 жыл бұрын
Got the unit with exactly same fault. Luckily, I watched your video before buying, so I knew where to look. Thanks a lot!
@resiggy13
@resiggy13 3 жыл бұрын
Add yet another one found to have this exact same bent transformer shorted to the FET issue. Glad I had watched this video a while back and knew exactly where to focus my troubleshooting today. Thanks!
@RDarrylR
@RDarrylR 4 жыл бұрын
Another interesting video. Thanks Jerry!
@comprotudo
@comprotudo 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jerry. Tks for the nice video. Just waiting for one KP184 (tomorrow maybe !!) and I go to check that issue. I had problems with shipping companies before. I must to see that !!
@saarike
@saarike 4 жыл бұрын
Really nice information!
@philippe5394
@philippe5394 3 жыл бұрын
First of all, thank you for your videos. They are very helpfull. I bought one and as expected encountered some issues. The positive plug was grounded due to the contact between the transformer and one of the screws on one MOSFET (issue fixed). Like you, the diameter of the plugs is too big (4.2mm), and the cover is not grounded (issue fixed). Secondly, I found the Kapton tape unstuck on one side of the heatsink, which can create an air leakage, and thus degrade the cooling flow. I also found a bad contact in the power plug on the rear panel, you have to push the cable strongly for it hold, finally I replaced the main câble and it's a bit better. Finally, this afternoon, testing a power supply, the charge went into "OT" over temp. After removing the cover, I found the fan stopped. This was due to a bad contact in the fan connector, I could reproduce the issue by moving the connector. I found nothing special, after reconnecting the contact was correct and permanent. I think I must have touched this connector during the previous disassembly to correct the contact of the transformer with a transistor. I still have to replace the 4mm plugs and to put a main switch on the front panel. In spite of these problems, the load is functional, I tested it at 400W. And the measurements are very accurate. However, I wonder how these electronic loads could have passed the factory final tests!!!!!
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, That information should hopefully help others. I suspect that factory testing is somewhat minimal but looking at it another way, If they were manufactured in the UK then they would be 3 times more expensive so I still think that a few hours fixing them is worth the effort to save a few £hundred. Not really practical for a company to buy them when standards must be adhered to but for the hobbyist they are worth the money. The fact that these simple issues are still present after several years really goes to show how little reward there is in some countries for people to put effort into improving things. Unfortunately I think we are all heading in that direction with standards dropping daily which is another reason I post these videos.
@philippe5394
@philippe5394 3 жыл бұрын
@@JerryWalker001 Jerry, I live in France. I completely agree with what you said, unfortunately! Thank you for all your videos, I really appreciate them.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 4 жыл бұрын
1:27 “But it does need carefully testing when you get it”. I got a cheap 50W LED panel light. The earth wire was thinner than the live and neutral solder wouldn’t stick to it. Probably aluminium. So I decided to replace the whole connecting wire with a new one only to find out that the earth wire wasn’t connected to the metal(!) fixture. That caught me by surprise and reminded me to always check earth connection with these Chinese products. The panel was mounted with two small blobs of sanitary silicone in stead of a heat sink compound. Not good at all but loose earth wire was really appalling.
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the only answer is the bin. I mostly find that with a little work the items I get can be made useful.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 4 жыл бұрын
Jerry Walker Yes, I fixed both issues and enjoy doing so, but a fear most people just connect the wires and think they are safe. So to anyone: Check the earth connection.
@Ech01378
@Ech01378 3 жыл бұрын
Same issue here. Plus, when set 10-35mA CC, the load does not indicate the right current, as if it was really low for measure. So in practice, you have measurements over 35mA. In addition, the current floats a lot.
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again! In my experience the more serious Chinese brands (like Kunkin I assume) are often not unwilling to offer a partial refund if you clearly point out that your device came with some damage. Just a general remark if you have a similar situation.
@kwinzman
@kwinzman 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is not that they don't handle warranty claims at all. The problem is that a Chinese brand would even design a load where the whole plate is on the positive potential and so close to the earthed case. That's just bad design asking for troubles.
@andyapple9
@andyapple9 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please provide a link to those bannana cables?
@mymessylab
@mymessylab 4 жыл бұрын
Weird fault, due a weird design requires out of scheme troubleshooting approach 😬👍💡
@samueltaylor4989
@samueltaylor4989 3 жыл бұрын
One strange thing I noticed, if you look at the three through the video camera, the two that are new are flashing at a different rate than the old one. You would think if they were all the same, the flash rate would look the same as well. I know they aren’t flashing, just the frame rate of the camera makes it look like they are. Strange though
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 3 жыл бұрын
The rate of flash is controlled by the micro inside each unit and is most likely influenced by every setting so unless each unit is set up in an identical manner then I suspect that the flash rate will vary. It will also depend on the relationship between the units micro code and the lab LED lights as this also affects the rate of flash (If I turn off my lab lights the flickering will almost stop). It tends to indicate that the firmware is fairly simple and does not use interrupt driven display refresh functions.
@chris12591
@chris12591 Жыл бұрын
Hi Have you ever tried to use the kp184 in master slave mode? (rs485) Kind regards Chris
@tablatronix
@tablatronix 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, what kind of banana leads are you using, they look nice.
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 4 жыл бұрын
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20pcs-4mm-Double-Ended-Banana-to-Banana-Plug-Soft-Silicone-Test-Leads-Cable/332742076954?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649I have no affiliation with this seller
@lmamakos
@lmamakos 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like those semiconductors (MOSFETs?) on the high-side of the load ought to have been insulated from that large heat sink. It seems optimistic to have a mechanical design that requires that large heat sink is kept electrically isolated from the chassis/casing.
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 4 жыл бұрын
I think they are using the heatsink intentionally as a high current conductor. The MOSFETS are not connected to the heatsink via the screw. The heatsink is intentionally connected to the +ve terminal via a PCB trace And the screw on the mosfet just happens to be screwed into the heatsink. A very odd arrangement.
@lmamakos
@lmamakos 4 жыл бұрын
@@JerryWalker001 "It's not a bug, it's a feature!" That's a... novel solution.. Thanks for the (increasingly!) interesting video.
@dash8brj
@dash8brj 4 жыл бұрын
@@JerryWalker001 They do the same thing in 12V UPS's due to the large currents needed to invert 12V to 110/230v. Of course in the ups the heatsink is in another postcode compared to the metal chassis unlike the KP184. I'm getting a couple of these loads so will check them on arrival.
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740 11 ай бұрын
Non-isolated heatsink is a rational decision. Otherwise they must use ceramic thermal pads which cost money.
@jwrtiger
@jwrtiger 4 жыл бұрын
Jerry I don't think it was dropped in shipping. It would take a lot of force to bend those transformer tabs and note they are both bent about the same. I would think there would be other large damage to the case if it was caused by being dropped. I have seen large quantities of transformers from a supplier and some had bent mounting tabs and we had to straighten them before installing them into the product. I think it was just installed that way at the factory. As you showed in the video it was working fine until the ground test and I doubt that on an inexpensive load they would do that test in production. Nice video and well produced.
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 4 жыл бұрын
It is almost 100% certain that it was shipping damage. The marks on the screw and the way it was bent is consistent with a drop. Also the tabs are VERY soft and easy to bend. In addition if you look closely at the tabs you can see where the tabs were bent against the screws as the witness marks are very clear.
@PatrickECleary
@PatrickECleary 4 жыл бұрын
+1 for shipping damage. While my KP184 didn't have a bend on the bottom panel, the tabs on the transformer were bent, allowing the transformer to juuuust about contact the FET screws. The transformer housing is made of very thin sheet metal. The core has more than enough mass to bend the tabs if shaken around in transit.
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 4 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickECleary Yes that is exactly what happened to mine. The transformer mounting tabs were bent. The bottom of the case was fine. I put some insulation on the top of the transformer as I did not trust the strength of the tabs. A couple of flat plates (Square washers) over the tabs would be a good idea to make it more secure. The tabs are not only thin but surprisingly soft so It does not take much to bend them.
@Utube2Itube
@Utube2Itube 3 жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of the Kapton tape along the two halves of the heatsink? 🧐
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 3 жыл бұрын
It seals the air duct and also insulates the heatsinks from the metal case (They are connected to V+). On my units I added some thicker insulation along the centre to avoid any future problems.
@Utube2Itube
@Utube2Itube 3 жыл бұрын
@@JerryWalker001 yes, I just opened my newly received unit and realised that V+ is connected to the heatsink. Its a bit optimistic by the manufacturer however to assume that the electrical contact between the enclosure, if pressed, and the heatsink will happen exactly along this 1 cm strip where the Kapton tape is positioned 😁. Your additional insulation pad seems much more reliable.
@Utube2Itube
@Utube2Itube 3 жыл бұрын
@@JerryWalker001 Also just realised that the 4 screws on the back panel of the unit are also in electrical contact with the heatsink and V+, so everyone out there, watch your fingers when reaching for that power switch in the back, there will be potentially up to 150 VDC there, far above the 75 VDC hazardous voltage limit in Europe according to the Low Voltage Directive ⚠️ ☺️. Although, you will also need to touch the negative terminal simultaneously for it to become hazardous.
@neiliewheeliebin
@neiliewheeliebin 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously dude isolate the fets from heatsink they probably skimped on thermal pads
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 3 жыл бұрын
If you did that it would not work. Have another look at the video.
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740
@volodymyrzakolodyazhny7740 11 ай бұрын
Good ceramic thermal pads cost money. Rubber shitty thermal pads work bad and will kill MOSFETs. So, 'chose your weapon' :)
@JAKOB1977
@JAKOB1977 4 жыл бұрын
Im +8 minutes into the video, and are puzzled why you don't inform what you paid for these new units that you so-called got a whole lot cheaper from what you calling a Chinese importer. Im familiar with the first you got for 135GBP but what is a lot cheaper and what is a Chinese importer? Ir sounds like it ain't an importer into Europe, as you also are talking about sending it back to China. You are usually pretty transparent about these things, so your viewers can relate and put it into perspective, but perhaps it will come later in the video. // Nope no info about the purchase price for this bulk purchase.
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 4 жыл бұрын
There are many places to buy these far cheaper than a UK reseller. I do not normally advertise for anyone so I try to avoid saying where I buy things. At some point I hope to get sponsors for my channel as it is not monetised and I cannot do that if I do it for free. If you are interested I paid £78.00 for each one (naturally there is a risk in buying direct from an importer).
@pcb1962
@pcb1962 3 жыл бұрын
@@JerryWalker001 Seems there's been quite a price hike, I can't find one currently for less than £200
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 3 жыл бұрын
@@pcb1962 I just searched using google and the first two sites had them for £105.00 and £125.00
@pcb1962
@pcb1962 3 жыл бұрын
@@JerryWalker001 Hi Jerry, thanks, the £125 at Banggood has a whopping £89.31 for shipping! The £105 at AliExpress has £41 shipping, but found another on Ali Express at about £123 all in. Just hope I don't get hit for customs and VAT. Just subscribed btw
@JerryWalker001
@JerryWalker001 3 жыл бұрын
@@pcb1962 Yes they vary a lot. That is why I do not usually give prices as the pricing changes every few hours. I purchased several at the same time so I got them shipped free and a lower price (I paid £84.00 each for 5 of them but the average was £135 each at the time on most sites).
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