Kyle REACTS To Horrifying Deranged Israel & Palestine Takes | The Kyle Kulinski Show

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZfaq. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZfaq, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode.
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@joyhaig1286
@joyhaig1286 9 ай бұрын
Just the simple fact that Israel can cut off electricity and prevent water and food, says everything you need to know about who’s in power.
@nas84payne
@nas84payne 9 ай бұрын
Yep. Palestine don’t have to the ability to do likewise to Israel.
@lordlemond1350
@lordlemond1350 9 ай бұрын
Basically. End of debate. 🤷🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️
@TheQuantixXx
@TheQuantixXx 9 ай бұрын
ok then, what u propose? whats ur plan then? murder all of one group?
@MaryHardymsmary_h
@MaryHardymsmary_h 9 ай бұрын
War is hell. Sad that a small roup is causing so much hell.
@MrTimberwolfsden
@MrTimberwolfsden 9 ай бұрын
Thank God the Palestinians aren't the ones in power
@ahmdf
@ahmdf 9 ай бұрын
I'm Jordanian-Palestinian who's 100% on the Palestinian side and it pains me greatly to see many of my people set our cause back by acting emotionally and irresponsibly. I will never be ok with killing noncombatants. It's inhumane and unnecessary. And my problem will never be with Jews in general. A lot of Jews are on our side and I want them to stay on our side.
@PSI441
@PSI441 3 ай бұрын
I'm months late but bless you sir. Solidarity with your people, hoping for peace for you all
@Marngel
@Marngel 9 ай бұрын
You know we’ve reached a low point in humanity when the idea of de-escalation and not doing genocide is considered an unreasonable position by people who describe themselves as “political experts”
@magnuscritikaleak5045
@magnuscritikaleak5045 9 ай бұрын
Politicians should be restricted like How Korea restricts and Criminalise their politicians.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
@@magnuscritikaleak5045 You realize it’s pretty likely the majority of Israelis want to genocide Palestinians more than the IDF/politicians does?
@raziele92
@raziele92 9 ай бұрын
The icing on the cake is that most of the people calling for genocide call themselves Christians.
@FS-me8mj
@FS-me8mj 9 ай бұрын
We have never evolved in the first place. Tribalistic racist mindset from the 1700s still exists and it is being passed to our generation.
@TruthRules2
@TruthRules2 9 ай бұрын
Let the effectively imprisoned West Bank Palestinians, whose land is regularly taken with IDF protection by illegal settlers, VOTE in apartheid-Israeli election like South Africa eventually allowed black Africans to all vote in their elections, which ended their apartheid system! Then, yes, that will be a real democracy! If Mahatma Ghandi had peacefully protested against IDF atrocities, like the toddler tthey shot or 16 year old girl that they shot or lady news reporter that they shot or the IDF- bombed Al Jazerra high rise, etc., etc., etc., Ghandi would have gotten shot or killed as a "collateral casualty" many years ago by the IDF. That is why only Hamas murderers are in charge over a bunch of kids in Gaza, apparently. CUT OFF aid, except bare, humanitarian aid, to Israel (a wealthier country per capita than the US if you exclude the 1% wealthiest Americans, who used loop holes created by bribes to politicians, to pay very little in taxes for at least a century, particularly since the "Federal" Reserve was created) and the Middle Eastern dictatorships, a.k.a. countries, which have gotten trillions in US aid since 1949! We have MASSIVE US NEEDS! Our secretly, legally insolvent banks should now be nationalized and put into a sovereign wealth fund to pay unfunded, US liabities already estimated at $211 TRILLION many years ago. See Forbes article. Use the money to pay our unfunded massive liabilities, e.g. for US social security! Are the liabilities of the USA now actually $500 TRILLION? The number of both sides murders will slow down when each must pay for their own tanks, missiles, planes, helicopters, etc. It will be pay-as-you-go murders, whereas now there is a buffet-style all-you-can-murder aid program to fund more child murderers! Prosecute both Hamas and Netenyahu and his murders!
@alvarobazan7683
@alvarobazan7683 9 ай бұрын
Been watching Kyle since 2016 and I have new found respect for you dude. If you stand for genocide you stand against humanity.
@ivanfloresvazquez7490
@ivanfloresvazquez7490 9 ай бұрын
How do you think decolonized nations got their independence?
@Williamtolduso
@Williamtolduso 9 ай бұрын
same here. I don't always agree with him. But I have never doubted his ethics and morals.
@rickyf3448
@rickyf3448 9 ай бұрын
Been tuned in to his show for a decade now, and Kyle has not once disappointed.
@limitlessapocalypse2702
@limitlessapocalypse2702 9 ай бұрын
@@Williamtoldusoi doubted him moment he lied about how his father died
@nas84payne
@nas84payne 9 ай бұрын
That’s a lot of people who stand against humanity.
@christianayalacruz1095
@christianayalacruz1095 9 ай бұрын
The people saying it's the Palestinian's fault cause they voted in Hamas in 2005 are missing one glaring fact: the average age in Palestine is 19, meaning born in or around 2004. They were ~1 when Hamas was voted in. That and half the population being kids should make you understand that these people were BORN into this situation and are NOT at fault for the actions of Hamas
@Mydogslove2laugh
@Mydogslove2laugh 9 ай бұрын
Netanyahu supported hamas
@trentathawat6714
@trentathawat6714 9 ай бұрын
Hamas _was_ the moderate party in 2005. It took nearly two decades of their leaders being assassinated by Israeli military/MOSAD, oftentimes during negotiated cease-fires, for Hamas to become so extreme. Israelis killed the more sensible leaders.
@Bucketheadhead
@Bucketheadhead 9 ай бұрын
There’s also a complete and deliberate failure to understand why Hamas was elected. Largely not because of its policy on Israel, although these may have been on people’s minds, but mainly because the alternative party, the PLO/Fatah was seen as wildly corrupt (and for good reason). Meanwhile at the time Hamas were pretty good at spending money on social services, feeding the hungry, clothing the poor etc (out of the goodness of their hearts or for political gain who can say?). In the eyes of the average Palestinian this meant there was only one choice. I remember, I was 13 at the time, I told an adult male in my family that Hamas were going to win. He said I knew nothing. Little did he know I read the news, and knew how people there felt. This is now all forgotten. We simply hear that Palestinians voted for terrorists and are therefore guilty. By the same measure Israelis have voted in government after government which has maintained occupation and apartheid.
@trentathawat6714
@trentathawat6714 9 ай бұрын
@@Bucketheadhead Thank you. You more eloquently elaborated on the points I was trying to make. ✌
@peterkottke2570
@peterkottke2570 9 ай бұрын
A nice thought but Hamas schools have fed these children a constant diet of "Death to Jews. Death to Israel." propaganda. Arguably the reason the birth rate is so high is because the Palestinians are trying to beat Israel in a demographic race. Gaza is more radicalized now than it was then not less.
@caseypetty3052
@caseypetty3052 9 ай бұрын
This tragedy has brought out the fascists in many many people. It’s absolute madness
@SiriProject
@SiriProject 9 ай бұрын
Most people constantly on the internet are out of their goddamn mind, that's an internet fact
@TheDivayenta
@TheDivayenta 9 ай бұрын
Seeing that Australian vid reminds me of people who want to say the n- word freely and loudly.
@lilben4184
@lilben4184 9 ай бұрын
@@TheDivayenta Trump was so right when he said "this whole system's rigged and we all know the riggers, for the last eight years this country's been run by-"
@abd5441
@abd5441 9 ай бұрын
@@lilben4184 wow you’re so edgy. The edgiest. Your parents must be so proud. /S
@ErenYaegerPhilosophy
@ErenYaegerPhilosophy 9 ай бұрын
@@TheDivayenta Is your brain damaged, didn’t you listen to what the Jews in NYC were saying??
@aries8910
@aries8910 9 ай бұрын
I met a girl who was in the IDF at a night club here in the city. She was ok, became friends w my friend, I didn’t talk to her much. My dad is from Iran, and once she realized I’m Persian she started talking trash about me. Like just pure racist stuff, meanwhile I was willing to give her a chance even though I’m very anti war. Honestly there’s bad stuff on both sides but the way American mainstream politics allows Israelis to be racist af is really gross.
@Eldritch-1
@Eldritch-1 9 ай бұрын
Yeah what's with the persian/jewish circle of dumb hate? A persian was the first ancient middle eastern king to free jews...
@Bucketheadhead
@Bucketheadhead 9 ай бұрын
@@Eldritch-1 there is still an ancient Jewish community in Iran who refuse to emigrate to Israel, much to the irritation of the Israeli government.
@nas84payne
@nas84payne 9 ай бұрын
I’ve learnt that Israelis are brainwashed from very young to hate Palestinians/Arabs.
@alessiodelcastillo1613
@alessiodelcastillo1613 7 ай бұрын
@@Bucketheadheadhave we seen how Iranians feel about Jews?
@Bucketheadhead
@Bucketheadhead 7 ай бұрын
@@alessiodelcastillo1613 how about you answer that for us
@alexdevcamp
@alexdevcamp 9 ай бұрын
I've been really horrified at how many people I know casually defending war crimes in the past couple days
@clyd1bon
@clyd1bon 9 ай бұрын
Its incredible how easily people are willing to just toss out their humanity.
@undertow2142
@undertow2142 9 ай бұрын
There’s a reason humans been around for >20k years and we just got electricity last century.
@jimbob3030
@jimbob3030 9 ай бұрын
It's what religions are for.
@againstviralmisinformation510
@againstviralmisinformation510 9 ай бұрын
@@jimbob3030any beliefs lead to conflict
@jimbob3030
@jimbob3030 9 ай бұрын
@@againstviralmisinformation510 Religion is in a special category of beliefs that cannot be reasoned with and which have caused an exceptional amount of war and death and destruction over our time on this planet.
@againstviralmisinformation510
@againstviralmisinformation510 9 ай бұрын
@@jimbob3030 that’s because religion is one of the oldest beliefs. Different Beliefs have caused war not just religion. Do you think we were peaceful creatures before religion existed?
@jamescareyyatesIII
@jamescareyyatesIII 9 ай бұрын
"Have you considered non-genocide?" should be on a tee shirt.
@V01DIORE
@V01DIORE 9 ай бұрын
What do you do after diplomacy has failed against a terrorist electing state based on a religion that has called for the death of all the others as "infidels" fundamentally? You can only subvert them and their violent ideals.
@robinmc142
@robinmc142 9 ай бұрын
And I bet if a law was introduced to punish someone's entire family if they committed a crime, these people would start understanding what justice and human rights are in no time.
@TheQuantixXx
@TheQuantixXx 9 ай бұрын
good point actually. ill remember that and slap it around some extremists faces. „if your father steals a car, are you ok with your whole family going to prison for it?“
@bundevsawhney7578
@bundevsawhney7578 9 ай бұрын
Back when Gaza was fully occupied by Israel, they would round up unemployed people + the families of suspected criminals to do force labor as the government pleased. Of course Israel doesn't wanna bring up the point in history where, not only was Gaza a prison for Arabs, it came with the slave labor you'd expect out of it
@robinmc142
@robinmc142 9 ай бұрын
@@doriandundee9906 no, I don't because anyone reading it knows I'm not suggesting a policy here, I'm just making a point with a hypothetical. Obviously I don't want such a law, it's laughable to think anyone would, I'm just pointing out that if this law noone wants was passed and we were therefore in the palestinian predicament for a bit, we would all understand why NOONE SHOULD HAVE TO BE IN THAT PREDICAMENT.
@doriandundee9906
@doriandundee9906 9 ай бұрын
@@robinmc142 ok then I'm just making the point that ''If we did that [what you suggested] we would need to wipe out most of the Israeli leadership given how many war crimes and atrocities such as indiscriminate barrel bombings have occurred... and the same would apply to the Palestinian leadership...'' It is good that you don't want such a law.
@robinmc142
@robinmc142 9 ай бұрын
@@doriandundee9906 yes obviously.
@satiricgames2129
@satiricgames2129 9 ай бұрын
As an Aussie political person The one thing that we noticed with our last 10 years of conservative rule was that the thing that died the most in our country at that time in those 10 years was diplomacy and de-escalation. Very sad day for all
@matttran7161
@matttran7161 9 ай бұрын
That's conservatives world wide. Look at what Fox News did to our public discourse. And they create their own reply guy economy.
@UnoriginalUsername25
@UnoriginalUsername25 9 ай бұрын
One thing I've found really bizarre is how some people are demanding that celebrities speak out on behalf of Israel. Reminds me of the old Dave Chappelle joke of "Where is Ja Rule? I need Ja to make sense of this!"
@kadeemk4679
@kadeemk4679 9 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for Ja's clarification for a while and quite frankly I'm lost without his level of expertise 😅
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
We should be demanding people renounce Israel the same they they renounce apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany.
@wolfstar675
@wolfstar675 9 ай бұрын
They have Gal Gadot on their side LOL
@stevenkies802
@stevenkies802 9 ай бұрын
It reminds me of Chapelle's bit about didn't volenteer to be in his friend's R. Kelly Documentary because "I don't know this N**** at all!" Why should a celebraty be expected to comment on a situation they have no personal stake in or special knowledge of? It's disheartening how much people are willing to surrender their autonomy of opinion to whatever a random celebrity says in passing because they're popular.
@nas84payne
@nas84payne 9 ай бұрын
@@wolfstar675She was part of the IDF of course training soldiers.
@brianhalligan9268
@brianhalligan9268 9 ай бұрын
The amount of people who have said to me oh they aren’t war crimes because they are not a signatory to an agreement or because there isn’t a strong international enforcement mechanism is insane.
@jonathanc6746
@jonathanc6746 9 ай бұрын
International law is for the most part a joke . There is no real enforcement for those with power
@Bonanzaking
@Bonanzaking 9 ай бұрын
On strong international enforcement mechanism, to quote kyle a few months ago in regards to the Supreme Court “you and what army”
@anonymousdontbotheraboutit2895
@anonymousdontbotheraboutit2895 9 ай бұрын
Which was literally the excuse made by both the Nazis and the Soviets to mistreat POWs during WWII.
@ZangariRC
@ZangariRC 9 ай бұрын
Doctrine of Discovery..
@doriandundee9906
@doriandundee9906 9 ай бұрын
War crime is a war crime. It doesn't matter what political body sees it or where it happens. Phosphor cluster bombs hitting civilian areas are just beyond disgusting and in fact two war crimes in one. Israel got the two for one deal and is still being supported for some reason. Oh and cutting off food, water etc to civilian areas is also considered a war crime so we've got 3 already within just as many days. Let's see how many war crimes can be ignored by the international community...
@Slavicsparrow1775
@Slavicsparrow1775 9 ай бұрын
Kyle its not a medieval seige, the nazis did exactly this to eastern euopre and killed 10's of millions through starvation or famine or disease. Same playbook from Israel.
@hughslooskant4420
@hughslooskant4420 9 ай бұрын
You can say murdering people is wrong and at the same time say when you practice apartheid and occupation you'll create moments of backlash. To treat the Palestinians as sub-human animals and rave in stolen land next to an open-air prison is a disgusting lack of respect. If Russians were massacred in Ukraine in the same circumstance the political reaction would be very different
@trwygon
@trwygon 9 ай бұрын
I agree. I critically support the fight for Palestenian liberation. Do I think killing civilians is okay? No. Do I understand the history that led to this? Yes. Hamas is the consequence of decades of oppression, and Israel directly aided its solidification as the "rulers" of Gaza.
@Headhand-qd9so
@Headhand-qd9so 9 ай бұрын
@hughslooskant4420 I don't believe Ukraine would go into civilians houses and massacre Russian women and children. So no Ukraine would be condemned irrespective of occupation. Secular Talk literally says in this video that the problem with the left is the unwillingness to condemn Hamas. You refused to condemn then and are now contributing to this tribal competition of screaming genocide at each other.
@kromkindkaroo
@kromkindkaroo 9 ай бұрын
Backlash and resistance has nothing to do with war crimes and massacres. Secondly Ukraine's military hasn't stormed Russia and killed Russian civilians point blank 🤷🏾‍♂️
@laithmughrabi8990
@laithmughrabi8990 22 күн бұрын
@@kromkindkaroo they didn't storm russia, but killed russian civilians in ukraine.
@natalieyesufu5070
@natalieyesufu5070 9 ай бұрын
Someone with common sense finally . The world has gone mad.
@michaelthomas229
@michaelthomas229 9 ай бұрын
Any civilized society can not agree on beheading of babies an women let them keep speaking so we know who they are there terroist imo
@HighTide_808
@HighTide_808 9 ай бұрын
Pakman made a lot of sense too
@shadyhavok1
@shadyhavok1 9 ай бұрын
Also hassan abi. He went off on some chatter for being hateful!
@SpacenSpooks
@SpacenSpooks 9 ай бұрын
He's only released one video on this (that I've seen) , and seems to be staying out of it tbf@@HighTide_808
@Arbaaltheundefeated
@Arbaaltheundefeated 9 ай бұрын
You say that like the world hasn't always been mad. The world of humanity, that is. There's just... local peaks and valleys in the level of madness and horror at any given time.
@salassian3162
@salassian3162 9 ай бұрын
Thank you, Kyle, for your sensible voice. We need your perspective. Passions are fully out of control.
@rimantas4335
@rimantas4335 9 ай бұрын
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@insightfulhistorian1861
@insightfulhistorian1861 9 ай бұрын
The reaction to this war is an excellent example of how people turn into rabid dogs when their perception is dominated by revenge and anger.
@jackesler9779
@jackesler9779 9 ай бұрын
Incredibly well said and covered Kyle. The world needs this kind of moral clarity and leadership more than ever
@Blender_and_Chirp
@Blender_and_Chirp 9 ай бұрын
Kyle thank you for being there as the voice of reason, the takes are INSANE and I can’t believe how far we are regressing as humans.
@Dankdalorde
@Dankdalorde 9 ай бұрын
My heart will always go out to innocent lives on both sides 🇮🇱 🇵🇸 💔
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
I reject the characterization of “innocent Israeli settlers.” I don’t support killing anyone unarmed or surrendering, soldier or civilian, but these people are not innocent. Do you know why they choose to live in the settlements closest to Gaza? These are where the most fanatical settlers live, more aggressive than the ones in the West Bank. They view themselves as the first line of defense for Israel in case their victims escape from the concentration camp. Half of these settlements have military bases in them, and the settlers view themselves as frontiersman armed to the teeth ready to shoot any Palestinian who encroaches on the land they stole. In fact, there have already been pogroms against Palestinians since this attack where Israeli settlers have massacred Palestinians with guns. Hamas (usually) isn’t just randomly killing civilians, they are going after the settlements closest to Gaza where the military bases are. These settlers often times have simply armed and implanted themselves with the Israeli military, and then Israel pretends they are just innocent bystanders. Again, I’m not supporting shooting anyone who is unarmed or surrendering/hiding, that’s clearly wrong, I’m just saying that the “poor innocent settlers around Gaza” narrative is BS.
@user-py7hr8ni8h
@user-py7hr8ni8h 9 ай бұрын
Did protest for palestine, but no more sympathy for them....the people of palestine elected hamas, they deserve everything that comes with that
@nicksawrickshaw537
@nicksawrickshaw537 9 ай бұрын
​@@user-py7hr8ni8hwhile a majority do support Hamas, remember that some might not have a choice to vote for them and then it leaves all of the people that don't want to attack Israel. If you support annihilating all Palestinians, you are no better than the Hamas attackers.
@michaeltnk1135
@michaeltnk1135 9 ай бұрын
⁠@@donovan4222You’re exactly the type of people Kyle was talking about when he said the people obsessed with the topic are often the ones with the worst takes. “They lived close to Gaza, therefore they’re not innocent because they’re encroaching on Palestinian land.” So in your ideal world you would have rigid ethnic borders that people have to stay away from, and if they get too close then they gets what’s coming to them?
@sxmashhaudio6769
@sxmashhaudio6769 9 ай бұрын
​@@michaeltnk1135Have you not seen the videos of Israeli settlers harassing and terrorizing Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza 🤔🤔🤔
@mikefarristhegamebunny
@mikefarristhegamebunny 9 ай бұрын
Kyle sounds like the only sane man in a mad world.
@rimantas4335
@rimantas4335 9 ай бұрын
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@joshuaortiz2031
@joshuaortiz2031 9 ай бұрын
Not really. What he's asking is impossible. A military force can't just go into a place with the population density of Gaza and only expect to kill enemy combatants. It's literally impossible urban warfare is ugly. It's much easier for a military force to just sit back and use artillery and air strikes to level a place from a safe distance.
@Thedemotivator
@Thedemotivator 9 ай бұрын
@@joshuaortiz2031oh right yeah that’s quite sane sounding
@joshuaortiz2031
@joshuaortiz2031 9 ай бұрын
@@Thedemotivator at least you come home in one piece. If you destroy your enemies from a safe distance it's always a better option. I was in the military and served in Iraq. The task at hand is impossible it's not fair to put that on the military to fight this war perfectly with no collateral damage. Why would anyone risk their own lives for civilians they don't even personally know? It's easy to say we should fight humanely when you're not the one fighting.
@Thedemotivator
@Thedemotivator 9 ай бұрын
@@joshuaortiz2031 sounds like you’ve got it all figured out
@Bowlofpeace
@Bowlofpeace 9 ай бұрын
It baffles me that you don’t hear more people taking the obvious stance of “dehumanization and killing civilians is bad, full stop”. Thanks for being a voice of reason, Kyle.
@OvarosX
@OvarosX 9 ай бұрын
I recall that Hitler once viewed a people as human animals, the disregard for human lives by both sides also seems like something Hitler was big on, is Israel becoming the monster they once condemned! An act of terrorism is not the solution to terrorism!
@d.o.a7552
@d.o.a7552 9 ай бұрын
Deranged takes on reality seems about right for human comprehension and internet comments.
@angelantayhua3096
@angelantayhua3096 9 ай бұрын
Im anti authoritarian and pro free speech until I go on social media and read the most deranged comments…
@nas84payne
@nas84payne 9 ай бұрын
That “finish them” tweet by Nikki Haley to Netanyahu will haunt me 😀
@phillipaclemons7261
@phillipaclemons7261 9 ай бұрын
Agreed. She isn’t the only republican with this view. I have heard Lindsay Graham and Mike Pompeo wanting war with Iran.
@d.o.a7552
@d.o.a7552 9 ай бұрын
@nas84payne well, considering she's an evangelical she probably just excited for the anti Christ to arrive lol
@ericthomas917
@ericthomas917 9 ай бұрын
@@angelantayhua3096 I don't care how annoying they are supporting their free speech is still important. If you don't like what they say then block them.
@ReneRivers
@ReneRivers 9 ай бұрын
It's important to have context with any world event. The government of Israel has treated the Palestinian people as subhuman for years. What made me wake up to what Israel is doing is when I read the list of things they banned from going into Gaza. Here are some of the items: Wheelchairs, crayons, toys, pasta, lentils, and tomato paste. I read that Israeli citizens had to smuggle women from the West Bank to the ocean so they could see it and swim. It's beyond me how anyone can support a government that forbids people from crayons, pasta, and something as simple as going to the ocean. What Hamas did is horrible and should not be accepted. The same goes for the actions of the Government of Israel, yet those are ignored. Additionally, people need to stop pushing the Israeli government = Israeli Citizens and Hamas = Palestinian citizens. People can speak out (and should speak out) against the actions of the Israeli government and Hamas and not be anti-Semitic or anti-Palestinian.
@pokemonfan2630
@pokemonfan2630 9 ай бұрын
I mean alot of people died because of the english revolution didn't they? For things to change people have to die, including innocent people, hamas stoops to their level and has done some terrible things, basically give me freedom or give me death is only okay if white people say it.
@jessjess23brooks89
@jessjess23brooks89 9 ай бұрын
It's a hard ask. Expecting people to be decent, empathetic and logical is an impossible task apparently. When I give any pushback to people celebrating the death of children, they just jump and double down straight to Islamaphobia.
@benmckinlaywilliamson3394
@benmckinlaywilliamson3394 9 ай бұрын
@@jessjess23brooks89 if opposing the beheading of babies and burning of children is islamophobic now, then ngl the insult kinda loses some of its sting.
@jessjess23brooks89
@jessjess23brooks89 9 ай бұрын
@@benmckinlaywilliamson3394 If you think the bombing and burning and starving of children is a good response to the beheading of children on the other side of the fence, then I will have to come up with a better insult. At present, all I can think of will just get my comment deleted.
@mangoorange7020
@mangoorange7020 9 ай бұрын
@@benmckinlaywilliamson3394 there’s no evidence for your claim .
@danbridges4755
@danbridges4755 9 ай бұрын
Israel told Palestinians to flee...but cut off their water and fuel. Furthermore Palestinians live in an open air prison; there's nowhere to run.
@BlizzardofOze
@BlizzardofOze 9 ай бұрын
Humanity is going through a period of moral insanity. Weather it, keep people safe, and remember who did what for when we emerge from this nightmare tunnel.
@alexvellagera2275
@alexvellagera2275 9 ай бұрын
Amen
@emm8357
@emm8357 9 ай бұрын
Both you and David Doel have good takes on this. I’ve had to avoid the topic online outside of you two because like you say - people are losing their goddamn minds, even people I used to respect.
@Mydogslove2laugh
@Mydogslove2laugh 9 ай бұрын
David Doel had a great video on this too.
@lordoftheflies7024
@lordoftheflies7024 9 ай бұрын
I love how peaceful all three parties of God and Country are being with one another.
@kennybachman35
@kennybachman35 9 ай бұрын
It’s their world, we just live in it.
@gregDino32
@gregDino32 9 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct, it's sad that most people are one of those religions.
@justinmiller947
@justinmiller947 9 ай бұрын
All people are evil. Your religion or lack thereof doesn't change the natural state of man.
@dragomir9375
@dragomir9375 9 ай бұрын
I read somewhere "why are we fighting Like the pagans?" by one monotheist (Not saying which) As a Pagan I See in the question the core of the Problem. They See people, who are different as below them.
@qanijees69
@qanijees69 12 күн бұрын
Nothing to do with religion. You know that zoinest are not religious but atheist.
@tallking7777
@tallking7777 9 ай бұрын
People have really shown their ass with this war. A bunch of lunatics on both sides.
@laithmughrabi8990
@laithmughrabi8990 22 күн бұрын
"kill amelik" those are the lunatics.
@suetrublu
@suetrublu 9 ай бұрын
I feel deeply for the Israeli people in this time. Hamas's actions were utterly vile. How can cutting off the food and water to 2 million people - half of them kids - possibly be the right response? Such dark times!
@benmckinlaywilliamson3394
@benmckinlaywilliamson3394 9 ай бұрын
It isn't the right response. The argument, I'm sure, is that retaliation like this is supposed to diminish support for Hamas - but it's pretty obvious by now that it targets the wrong people, is collective punishment for the actions of a few and has the precise opposite effect. But equally, you can't do nothing, especially when surrounded by states explicitly committed to the utter eradication of your people. If there's an answer to this, we are a long way from finding it.
@Arbaaltheundefeated
@Arbaaltheundefeated 9 ай бұрын
That's putting it rather mildly, it's a lot worse than merely a 'wrong response'. Assuming they go through with this "siege" plan the Israeli government should be immediately and globally recognized as guilty of genocidal warcrimes, and hit with massive sanctions, in any remotely sane world. But of course that's never going to happen.
@henrywestbrook9773
@henrywestbrook9773 9 ай бұрын
It's the response Hamas wanted. Israel just created a million new terrorists that want to see them eradicated. Their reaction is incredibly short-sighted. It's as if drunk teenagers are running the country.
@cjpj72
@cjpj72 9 ай бұрын
Its worse than that. Israel cut power and water off four days of the week in the occupied areas BEFORE this event. Netanyahu had recently announced that they were annexing Gaza and the West Bank. The attack was likely the response.
@dylanindahouse
@dylanindahouse 9 ай бұрын
Not only that, they think throw out thousands of missiles killing women and children in Gaza would be fair thing to do. It's a cycle of violence and hypocrisy. We need to stand for humanity.
@gerharddamm5933
@gerharddamm5933 9 ай бұрын
The cognitive dissonance of being born from an ethnic group that experienced the holocaust to perpetrating their own is insane!
@lilben4184
@lilben4184 9 ай бұрын
Me, a Nazi watching Israel with pride: "Perhaps I treated you too harshly" 😂
@Eldritch-1
@Eldritch-1 9 ай бұрын
It's a trauma cycle, the abused becomes the abuser.
@dylanindahouse
@dylanindahouse 9 ай бұрын
The cycle of violence and hypocrisy at it's best.
@nas84payne
@nas84payne 9 ай бұрын
It’s crazy and always disturbed me.
@popermen694
@popermen694 9 ай бұрын
You have to put yourselves in their shoes to understand it. I am not saying their past behavior is correct but its VERY obvious why they have been acting they way they do when you look at their past. It is not about cognitive dissonance. They were abused so badly for so long that they are scared, and scared people do bad shit. They almost went extinct not too long ago and they are currently (and always have been) surrounded by enemies. They were attacked by those enemies as soon as their country got started. Just look at the history, it is all there.
@YeraBlizzadHarry
@YeraBlizzadHarry 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for cutting through this bs Kyle. I’m hopeful more rational voices prevail to bring this stupid conflict to an end. To anyone feeling depressed looking at these tweets just remember, you are not alone, and you are right! Genocide is wrong and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Stay safe everyone, I love this channel and this community, it gives me some hope for the future
@tachobrenner
@tachobrenner 9 ай бұрын
Not to mention these idiots aren't the majority.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
Such a generic AI comment, this isn't really a conflict, its a settler colonial genocide being carried out by Israel, with pockets of resistance from Palestine.
@YeraBlizzadHarry
@YeraBlizzadHarry 9 ай бұрын
@@donovan4222 So do you think Hamas isn’t real? What about the civilians they killed?
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
@@YeraBlizzadHarry Tf does that have to do with anything ? Do you think the Native American genocide wasn’t real because Indians killed settlers? Do you think slavery wasn’t real because slave revolts killed white slave owner families? The Warsaw uprising wasn’t real because it killed German settlers?
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
@@YeraBlizzadHarry Only 1 group is doing a genocide and it isn’t the Palestinians.
@jmmclaughlin1989
@jmmclaughlin1989 9 ай бұрын
Sadly, I'm reminded of the song "Savages" from the Disney movie Pocahontas (1995). It's pretty applicable in this context, with elements on each side salivating to go "final solution" on the other side to settle things once and for all. The bloodthirstiness is quite palpable at this point.
@Fa7ded
@Fa7ded 9 ай бұрын
This Iraq example is on the raise these days. It really turn my stomach when I hear it. In 2003 I was 18 when the the American invasion happened and to this day I can't recover from it. people use this example as like Iraq was part of the 9/11 attacks. 200k killed in that first few weeks of the invasion and in 2010 the the total death count is 2 millions! all of that because of the lies of WMDs and 9/11. To top all of this Americans created a severe civil war between Sunny and Shia and made two side of same religion kill each other to distract both sides from focusing on the US army and sadly it worked and still happening to this very day in Iraq.
@suetrublu
@suetrublu 9 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@phillipaclemons7261
@phillipaclemons7261 9 ай бұрын
Iraq was a disaster, killing millions and leading to the formation and rise of ISIS. Yet some republicans now want to go to war with Iran to ‘finish them off’ ... God help us all
@momsyoutube2409
@momsyoutube2409 9 ай бұрын
Love your content ❤! It’s depressing to see how much hatred is in the hearts of ppl 😢 ! What horrific attacks are happening to the sweet & honest ppl from both sides . The murders of innocent civilians needs to stop 🛑 ! ✌️
@user-py7hr8ni8h
@user-py7hr8ni8h 9 ай бұрын
Used to protest for palestine, now i lost all feelings for them. Both sides are evil, could not care less if one side get whiped out
@user-py7hr8ni8h
@user-py7hr8ni8h 9 ай бұрын
@kyler6861 let allah decide❤️ allah is sending death to the side who is evil
@tachobrenner
@tachobrenner 9 ай бұрын
​@@user-py7hr8ni8hYou can't just condemn everyone for the actions of some.
@pat2562
@pat2562 9 ай бұрын
​@@user-py7hr8ni8hLike most Americans, civilians on both sides are innocent of the evil their gov commit. All of us are pawns.
@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231
@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 9 ай бұрын
​@@pat2562millions of Palestinians are cheering for the slaughter of Israeli's. Israel obviously isn't completely innocent either, but it's clear who the villains are here. It's not Israel.
@darkuser9992
@darkuser9992 9 ай бұрын
All of a sudden, everyone has become so distant and numb to violence, they forgot what it means to kill one person.
@kevrev0
@kevrev0 9 ай бұрын
It's also important to note that people saying f* the Jews are random protestors, worthy of condemnation but they have no power. Just like those pro-Israel protestors. The person saying genocidal rhetoric against Palestine is their defense minister, who has the actual power to enact it, like we are seeing.
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280
@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 9 ай бұрын
True.
@j.christ8786
@j.christ8786 9 ай бұрын
"How the hell did we wind up like this? Why weren't we able to see the signs that we missed, and turn the tables?" - Noam Chomsky
@rimantas4335
@rimantas4335 9 ай бұрын
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@birdgod5584
@birdgod5584 9 ай бұрын
Nickelback goes pro-Palestinian
@ceeceeh6484
@ceeceeh6484 9 ай бұрын
People need to stop dehumanizing other people. We have more in common than we think, including our nut jobs.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Kyle. I knew I couldn't be the only one with the feeling of "both sides have gone fucking insane". At first I was like, "obviously the killing and torturing of innocents is wrong, that goes without saying so we shouldn't have to clarify any remotely pro-Palestine sentence with that", but after reading so many posts flat-out supporting genocide I feel like we do have to. Scrolling social media endlessly this week has been exhausting.
@Kazutoification
@Kazutoification 9 ай бұрын
I was surprised after I watched David Pakman's video. There are literally people chanting "Gas the Jews!"....
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
The president of the United States is endorsing a genocide of Palestinians that is literally happening right now. Who cares about what someone on twitter thinks about Israelis? Also, we should be supporting Palestinians doing armed resistance and defending themselves, why would you not?
@vanivari359
@vanivari359 9 ай бұрын
Oh well, the saddest part is that it is the strategy. From the US army handbook on insurgencies: 4-42: The urban (terrorist) approach is an approach in which insurgents attack government and symbolic targets (for example an important religious building) to cause government forces to overreact against the population. The insurgents want the government’s repressive measures to enrage the people so that they rise up and overthrow the government. Although this type of method may develop popular support against a government that is particularly brutal or corrupt, it may only result in shallow support for the insurgency. The population may only see the insurgency positively because of the brutal response, not because they identify with the insurgency. That approach is very old, it's the story line of V for Vendetta and many other movies, it happened with 9/11 and in Iraq and Afghanistan and Irland. And Israel will fall for it too because the people want revenge and it's easy to dehumanize a person you don't know.
@mattbarneveld815
@mattbarneveld815 9 ай бұрын
Ausie here. With regards the Sydney based demonstration. The organisers of the demo (Palestine Action Group) were very quick to categorically denounce those present who partook in that gross and revolting display. Representatives responded publicly via national media and availed themselves to multiple media outlets to strongly disavow the minority guilty of this obscenity. The Australian Associated Press reported the following (Oct. 10, 2023): 'The organisers of a widely condemned pro-Palestine protest in Sydney say anti-Jewish slurs at the rally came from only a handful of anti-Semite agitators.' "...organisers Palestine Action Group defended their right to protest and said media coverage had focused on a tiny fringe of “vile anti-Semitic attendees” Mostly young teens shouting “f** the Jews” were quickly condemned and asked to leave, they said in a lengthy statement. “Long-standing Palestinian organisers and activists, Palestinian, Arab and Muslim elders attending the protest were disgusted and deplored by the action,” it said.' I am not suggesting that Secular Talk is in any way misrepresenting what is publicly available and promoted, nor am I disagreeing with Kyle's spot on assessments of the actions of extremists on both sides, and their impacts, rather I am highlighting how extremist rhetoric and actions too often hijack and overshadow the reasonable discourse and behaviour by the majority. Much of what I heard from the organisers echoed much of what is being said by the likes of Kyle and other rational, independent and informed commentators.
@AkramHasanSharkar
@AkramHasanSharkar 9 ай бұрын
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind
@laithmughrabi8990
@laithmughrabi8990 22 күн бұрын
i am advocate for this eye for an eye, Oct.7 was an eye for thousands of eyes the palestinians suffered.
@bloo9699
@bloo9699 9 ай бұрын
kinda hard to tell what to take seriously in a competition for the most clicks where bad takes get a ton more engagement.
@cody_codes
@cody_codes 9 ай бұрын
One of the very, very few reasonable takes from the left side of the political spectrum on this. It's been hard to be proud to be a lefty the past few days, but this take and your measured analysis on the issue has given me hope. Thanks Kyle.
@TheKimels
@TheKimels 9 ай бұрын
Word
@Kallisto.0
@Kallisto.0 9 ай бұрын
Really? I have seen very few prominent left-wing commentators here on YT who have not condemned the bloodshed. Who specifically are you talking about?
@CaptainObviious
@CaptainObviious 9 ай бұрын
Its been 75 years and nothing has changed for them, how long are they supposed to wait and peacefully die?
@GreenIsland38
@GreenIsland38 9 ай бұрын
Hallo Kyle. Watched your show today for the first time, agree entirely with your views, top stuff. Stay safe and keep it coming. Best regards and wishes
@dvdv8197
@dvdv8197 9 ай бұрын
'Hallo'? Dutch?
@GreenIsland38
@GreenIsland38 9 ай бұрын
@@dvdv8197 Comment needs explaining !!
@dvdv8197
@dvdv8197 9 ай бұрын
@@GreenIsland38 Are you Dutch? Because otherwise I wouldn't understand why you put 'hallo' instead of 'hello'? 😅😄
@SpacenSpooks
@SpacenSpooks 9 ай бұрын
OP might be German, although "hallo" is even often used informally in Thailand, so there's that too lol@@dvdv8197
@GreenIsland38
@GreenIsland38 9 ай бұрын
@@dvdv8197.Hallo, is fairly standard English, also Iam neither Dutch, (Netherlands) nor Deutsch, (German) but I do understand quite well both languages. Best regards.
@calvinsomers1197
@calvinsomers1197 9 ай бұрын
Americans supporting Ukraine AND Israel is a contradiction of the highest proportions.
@emmawatson1484
@emmawatson1484 9 ай бұрын
You have no clue what you’re talking about
@hochmeisterr
@hochmeisterr 9 ай бұрын
Just like the Lefties supporting Russia AND palestine.
@camadams9149
@camadams9149 9 ай бұрын
No. One is muslim and one is not.
@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231
@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 9 ай бұрын
It's 2 completely different situations. Thinking you can't support one without the other just shows your surface level understanding of nuanced topics.
@michaelsieger9133
@michaelsieger9133 9 ай бұрын
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231what do you expect from Kulinski viewers?
@estebancomulet
@estebancomulet 9 ай бұрын
Just pleased to know there is sanity out there, and some people are not afraid to unpack the nuances of the situation without jumping on the bellicose rhetoric of either side.
@dcanedemboyz7431
@dcanedemboyz7431 6 ай бұрын
24:01 Thanks for the shout out
@Azamra18
@Azamra18 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for holding the dialectic that the human suffering is horrible and we need to sit in that discomfort.
@footballfan5462
@footballfan5462 9 ай бұрын
People have gone crazy with evil and hate
@singlesideman
@singlesideman 9 ай бұрын
Matt Walsh is so unevolved that he's a jellyfish.
@jessevanderhamm
@jessevanderhamm 9 ай бұрын
Did I just hear Kyle speaking like he’s the most sane and rational person in the conversation? Wow… don’t get to see that every day, I’ll tell you what lol
@jthecryptid
@jthecryptid 9 ай бұрын
On the whole violent decolonization thing: when people are backed into a corner, have no outside support, are systematically tortured and murdered while living in an open air prison, there's eventually going to be a breaking point. You either die under Apartheid rule, or you die lashing out in any attempt to retaliate. The Israeli civilians didn't deserve to die, but their state rule is what pushed these people to lash out in the first place. You can't kick a sleeping bear in the head, kick it while it's running away, then be shocked when it turns around and mauls you. Palestinians have tried peaceful protests, coexistence, and negotiation for years, and they're still being killed regardless. They can't leave without risking losing their citizenship, they're blockaded by Egypt and Israel, where can they flee to?
@PeePeePooPoo07
@PeePeePooPoo07 9 ай бұрын
Israel wants them to leave, which is why they make it almost impossible for them to stay then deny them reentry, then based on their laws, any land they owned is up for grabs now coz they aren't allowed re entry. It's a slow ethnic cleanse process. But boo hoo Israel got a taste of what they have subjected the Palestinians for the past 70 years.
@vladutzuli
@vladutzuli 9 ай бұрын
Parading the raped and mutilated corpse of a woman through the town square to be spat on in celebration is not lashing out, and its not fighting back. Its savage, sadistic monkey brain shit. Trying to make excuses for that undermines any point you were making. They got treated abhorrently and subjected to atrocities by the israeli government, that much is true. But doing shit like that only serves to legitimise their prior treatment.
@V01DIORE
@V01DIORE 9 ай бұрын
"prison" yet they import tons of weapons and missiles after Gaza was gave back, they elected terrorists who wasted the autonomy and international aid given just for spite instead of importing prosperity.
@PeePeePooPoo07
@PeePeePooPoo07 9 ай бұрын
@@vladutzuli violent out lashes isn't unique to Palestinians, in fact it has happened almost every time towards an oppressor. IRA, Haiti, Jews, Czech all acted violently towards anyone associated with their oppressors and Hamas isn't any different. Are their actions right? no! But that's what you get from a group of desperate people who have nothing to live for and are humiliated on a daily basis. If you want the brutality to end, it starts with policy making from the only nation in the region that has the power to do so: Israel...That is what people are trying to say "Oh Israel tried peace" BS, their peace offerings did nothing other than legalize apartheid, also look at the West Bank; they are non combative but are still subjected to the same mistreatment as Gaza.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
This is why people who condemn Palestinian resistance and “both sides” everything they say with “of course Hamas is bad” annoy me so much. One side is a genocidal settler colony that is wiping out the population, and the other side is resisting a genocide. We don’t condemn native Americans for fighting back against settlers who pushed them into reservations and we don’t condemn the Warsaw ghetto uprising because some German settlers were killed, so why do we condemn Hamas when they resist in any way they can? Some Apache Indians did extremely brutal things to settlers, Haitian revolutionaries massacred French colonists in the process of overthrowing slavery…..but no one would ever say “wow I feel for all the innocent and unarmed white slave owners who died in the slave revolts. Thoughts and prayers for both sides!” People want a squeaky clean revolution where the only people ever involved are soldiers fighting like it’s a Star Wars movie, and that’s simply ahistorical and has never happened in history. Real revolutions are messy and the “good guys” will do bad things. People forget how many war crimes the allies committed against German and Italian civilians in WW2, it doesn’t change what the correct side of the conflict is.
@ronnie5329
@ronnie5329 9 ай бұрын
I feel like im living in another timeline
@student99bg
@student99bg 9 ай бұрын
Kulinski is one of the rare voices of reason
@martenw8341
@martenw8341 9 ай бұрын
THANK YOU KYLE for expressing this and calling this behavior out!
@goldenstateofmind7385
@goldenstateofmind7385 9 ай бұрын
If I see another “I stand with…” I’m gonna puke. Tribal nonsense just to be in the mix. 95% of the people picking sides didn’t give two shit about any of this last month
@matt94alexander32
@matt94alexander32 9 ай бұрын
Most have been told by MSM and Western politicians to back Israel.
@theimperialist2686
@theimperialist2686 9 ай бұрын
Agreed, I'm getting sick and tired of this crap. Most of these "I stand with" muppets are virtue signallers, who don't give two shits about the innocent.
@scorpiousmagus
@scorpiousmagus 9 ай бұрын
I ve been 🤢 for a long time now.
@cezarcatalin1406
@cezarcatalin1406 9 ай бұрын
So if I say “I stand with the Palestinians against the genocidal settlers” that means I don’t care about Palestinians? Do shitlibs have inherent brain rot?
@e.k874
@e.k874 9 ай бұрын
yea one is an apathie racist state of isreal .. the other are opressed people for 3 generations
@dr0g_Oakblood
@dr0g_Oakblood 9 ай бұрын
I am reminded of the Hitler quote about “who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” This is especially poignant against the backdrop of the renewed ethnic cleansing of Armenians from Artsakh/Nagorno-Karabakh that is basically just background noise to most western news places to focus on the Israeli-Palestine conflict
@kennybachman35
@kennybachman35 9 ай бұрын
Notice nobody’s saying a word about Trump’s trials and his businesses being dismantled. That’s not an accident.
@TheKimels
@TheKimels 9 ай бұрын
I was born in Israel, im a leftist atheist and a peace activist, i support a 1 state solution in Palestine for jews, Arab's, druze and beduins to live together peacefully! We need to reject all the evil racist extremists on both sides! if you support the Palestinian people you should be against Hamas! Just like im against the Israeli government!!!
@TheKimels
@TheKimels 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Kyle for being the voice of reason
@laithmughrabi8990
@laithmughrabi8990 22 күн бұрын
did israel left any choice for palestinians other than hamas? the palestinians spent decades in the UN council to ease off the settlment expansion. they protested and got gunned down (March of great return, 2nd intifada) they used the BDS mov. but got cancelled as anti semitic. the oppressors chooses how the oppressed behaves.
@blahblahsaurus2458
@blahblahsaurus2458 6 ай бұрын
I think you're too soft on Matt Gaetz. "Most of the world would be in the stone age if not for colonization" is the most racist thing someone could say without calling other humans animals. Europe got its compass, its gunpowder, its algebra, possibly its moveable type, and many other technologies by trading with northern Africa and Asia. Possibly the oldest iron smelting remains ever discovered were in Africa. Despite the completely distorted common conception, in the time of colonization, central Africa was mostly populated by literate societies with steel and large planned cities - what they lacked was guns. Just as Europe lacked guns before they got them from the Turks, who lacked guns before they got them from further east, and so on. As for the Americas, I challenge anyone to go to Mexico or Guatemala and tell me their pyramids and temples are less impressive or beautiful than the best of the ancient old world civilizations. And those civilizations didn't have horses or cattle, which can carry or pull things much heavier than a person can. They also didn't have bronze, although there was use of copper as far north as Canada, and would surely have invented bronze earlier if tin was not such a rare metal. Therefore, the architecture of central America was in a sense more advanced than that of the old world - just not their weapons. America was colonized by a country whose greatest architectural acheivement before they were conquered by those brown Romans, was Stonehenge. And I am not saying Stonehenge is not amazing in itself, but compare it to Cahokia in Illinois or Poverty Point in Lousiana and you understand that racism was always bullshit, and the entire reason that Europe became so dominant is: they benefited from the technology of the middle east, India, and China, lucked out by finding the Americas first, at which point smallpox and a dozen other plagues utterly devastated two continents who did not benefit from all that knowledge and were therefore slightly behind, Europe then acquired literal mountains of silver and gold that were first found by native Americans, and then mined by enslaved native Americans, they traded all those metals back in the old world (most of the silver ended up in China), and THEN AND ONLY THEN were they rich enough to head south and conquer Africa, and from there were powerful enough to conquer most of the rest of the world, though never some countries like Ethiopia, Siam, or China. Of all the places they conquered, the middle east was pretty much the last. Why? Because Europe was never as advanced as the middle east - not until after luck allowed them to find a place with less powerful weapons than Europe, and transfer horrifying diseases the native people's immune systems could never have been prepared for. Geography and luck allowed Genghis Khan, a guy born in a tent in one of the least populated places in the world, to conquer most of Eurasia. Geography and luck allowed the Europeans to reach that dominance at a later stage.
@Lorenz1973
@Lorenz1973 9 ай бұрын
After 9/11 some friends tried to talk America out of going to war with “everyone”, didn’t end very well …. That is how for example “French” fries ended up with a different name - “Freedom” fries. A few friends/ friendly countries ended up in the doghouse….
@91alexwarren
@91alexwarren 9 ай бұрын
You can’t understand the difference between targeting civilians and collateral damage. Think harder Kyle.
@darcybarnes6970
@darcybarnes6970 9 ай бұрын
Peace must prevail!
@nelschondorf2030
@nelschondorf2030 9 ай бұрын
One thing I think needs to be said Kyle is that the peace talks you're describing did take place in the 90s and it was very quickly undermined by extremists on both sides.
@jonathanc6746
@jonathanc6746 9 ай бұрын
It is important to remember that Israel propped up the founder of Hamas during those talks to undermine the secular Palestine government.
@jimbob3030
@jimbob3030 9 ай бұрын
Perhaps peace talks shouldn't be up to the extremists on either side?
@cjpj72
@cjpj72 9 ай бұрын
No it wasn't. Yassar Arrafat and Yitzhak Rabin reached an agreement. Right wing Israeli extremists assassinated Rabin and got their wish..no deal.
@samsadowitz1724
@samsadowitz1724 9 ай бұрын
​@jimbob3030 I think they may be referring to Yitzhak Rabin who was assassinated by an Israeli extremist for coming extremely close to brokering a 2 state solution
@Mydogslove2laugh
@Mydogslove2laugh 9 ай бұрын
​@@samsadowitz1724I think you are right
@SensatiousHiatus
@SensatiousHiatus 9 ай бұрын
“…An organism at war with itself is doomed.” -Carl Sagan
@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew
@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJew 9 ай бұрын
If you say you’re opposed to the killing of innocent civilians no matter who’s responsible, on the wrong channel, you risk getting verbally attacked or insulted. Wild.
@briano9397
@briano9397 9 ай бұрын
There isnt settlers in Gaza they were relocated. The settlers are in the West Bank.
@Westlander857
@Westlander857 9 ай бұрын
This whole conflict goes to show the consequences of being terminally online. I’m glad we don’t have to rely so much on mainstream media anymore, but jfc, man. Talk about unintended consequences. In a conflict where listening, empathizing and understanding are so important, none of this helps.
@YamiHoOu
@YamiHoOu 9 ай бұрын
Exactly, nuance is dead on the internet. If you are for one thing then you HAVE to be against the other. Nevermind there are more than 2 sides to everything...
@erwinb3412
@erwinb3412 9 ай бұрын
When the fires of conflict are stoked in society , the extreme characters come floating up .
@STCatchMeTRACjRo
@STCatchMeTRACjRo 9 ай бұрын
note that those who are not living or lived under occupation, myself included, might not feel the anger that comes from occupation; in short; we cant feel the anger that those in Israel occupied Palestinian territories feel. This anger is what Hamas is using for their objectives; using and justifying their heinous actions. At the same time, this heinous actions from Hamas/Palestine only supports for Israel to respond with violence, which will eventually add more fuel to Hamas/Palestine which would again add more fuel to Israel. Its literally a loop where both sides are fueling their violent actions.
@hunterhansen79
@hunterhansen79 9 ай бұрын
Those of us whose families had to leave Ireland during the English occupation and saw the rise of violent factions as a result are watching this going, "Well, THIS is familiar!".
@TheLastAngryMan01
@TheLastAngryMan01 9 ай бұрын
Indeed, there are several parallels with the historical situation in Ireland. It’s probably why pro-Palestinian sentiment is quite high in Ireland relative to most Western countries.
@mikehawk3152
@mikehawk3152 9 ай бұрын
They do realize. They have been waiting for an excuse, an opportunity, a reason. Sitting in comfortable chairs, eating good food and flushing their shit away, waiting to slaughter the other.
@Age_of_Apocalypse
@Age_of_Apocalypse 9 ай бұрын
"Deranged" ... Good choice of words! Those people are in need of professional HELP; they're insane. 😱
@henryjumbohead5391
@henryjumbohead5391 9 ай бұрын
The problem with the 2 state solution is that Palestinians have rejected the two previous formal proposals.
@justinpedersen9519
@justinpedersen9519 9 ай бұрын
I appreciate this take, thank you Kyle.
@lilben4184
@lilben4184 9 ай бұрын
See-Kyle o/
@itsme-nt2lj
@itsme-nt2lj 9 ай бұрын
here for the white man's "both sides" Malcolm X was right
@NoKidsNoProblem
@NoKidsNoProblem 9 ай бұрын
You called Matt Walsh Matt Gaetz at 15:12 lol
@TheJadeJester
@TheJadeJester 9 ай бұрын
The amount of people who are voluntarily taking off their masks......
@AZ-hg6kw
@AZ-hg6kw 9 ай бұрын
It's not self defense with what Israel is doing. It's retaliation (.). I just wish that Israel and its supporters would be more thoughtful and honest about this. To be fair, I imagine that there are a lot of Isrealies who are not cool with attacking Palestine like this, just as many Palestinians are understandably not ok with Hamas.
@GalactusOG
@GalactusOG 9 ай бұрын
Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the Inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in The name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of Darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost Children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious Anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ⚔✝☦⚔⚔✝☦⚔⚔✝☦⚔⚔✝☦⚔⚔
@blablawtf
@blablawtf 9 ай бұрын
One of the best, and most balanced video I've seen surrounding the entire situation. Thanks Kylie for your years of sensible journalism.
@otakugamer616
@otakugamer616 9 ай бұрын
Man what do i do i feel so sad and helpless As a genocide is happening In the timeline we live in 😔
@tayloralliecee
@tayloralliecee 9 ай бұрын
I enjoy your voice of logic on this very divisive and incredibly violent topic. Have a lot of the same reactions to it all and I think it becomes clear that if simple spectators can become this wrapped up in team mentality imagine how impossibly rooted the same must also be in those living in that area. I think we need a powerful 3rd party mediator to assist in arranging the least harmful & one sided result here. Anyone on the ground there is too drenched or blood and left seeking more for there to be an equally fair resolution.
@jones1351
@jones1351 9 ай бұрын
Kyle, I must be honest. If I were a young man having spent my life in that open air prison, subjected to humiliations, insults and assaults that I can’t imagine, here in my extremely comfortable, by comparison, existence, I don’t know what I’d do. If given a choice to fight or just die a slow humiliating death, hoping for some miracle, would I choose to fight? And by the time I came to that choice would there be enough of my humanity left that I’d bother to differentiate between ‘innocent’ or not? I’m being honest. I just don’t know. I do know this. Zero Palestinians asked to be placed in the unenviable position to have to choose. This was all someone else’s doing. When I see my president and Western talking heads pretending this all began on 7 Oct, ’23; when I see them choose to approach this fire storm with gasoline instead of fire engines, I know I feel my jaws tighten. Marvin got it soooo right back in '71. Makes ME wanna holler. Before this catastrophe it was beginning to look like, in Palestine as in space no one can hear you scream. Well people are paying attention, now. But look what it took. If we can't - or won't - do better than this, then maybe climate change should just take us all, so nature can start over.
@bigoltits1880
@bigoltits1880 9 ай бұрын
There is no "better side" in this particular Holy War between Religion B and Religion C. Most wars don't have a good guys vs bad guys distinction and this is one of those wars. Both sides have committed war crimes against each other, one-upping each other since the 1950s now. I only feel bad for the peace-loving palestinians and the peace-loving israelis. If you're in either palestine/israel and you're ok with your guys bombing the other side's civilians, then you get no sympathy from me. You deserve your enemy. Thanks religion for this latest edition of the ongoing Holy Wars!
@antoniom4099
@antoniom4099 9 ай бұрын
You should realize that Hamas believes every Israeli citizen is a target because they all have to join the army at one time in their lives.
@derekmitchell1738
@derekmitchell1738 9 ай бұрын
KYLE, YOU ARE 2,000 PERCENT CORRECT! I feel so sad for the innocent who have died and so worried for the innocent who will die! The Human Race has not evolved much at all since the days of the neanderthal. I am ashamed to be Human!
@nelschondorf2030
@nelschondorf2030 9 ай бұрын
Kulinski's postulate: The normiest take is often the correctest.
@patriciamillin1977
@patriciamillin1977 9 ай бұрын
I have to correct you in one matter: Cyprus was not a Greek island, it was an independent Republic not connected to Greece. The people were mixed Turkish-Cypriots and Greek-Cypriots. The war in Cyprus that led to the Turkish (from Turkey) occupation was started by the Greek-Cypriots who tried to overthrow the country’s leader, Archbishop Makarios, because they wanted to join up Greece. The Turks moved in to protect the Turkish-Cypriots, which eventually led to the island being divided. I lived in Cyprus for 6 years before moving to Germany prior to the war but my family still lives there. My stepfather was Greek-Cypriot. My family took refuge in a refugee camp and one of my brothers was evacuated and since also lives in Germany. Yes, there has been peace but it’s an uneasy peace, no one is really happy with the situation. There is still a no-man’s buffer zone between the two halves that you are not allowed to venture into, but you can see the ghost towns, that used to be prospering places, from afar. You’re not allowed to,take photos, but I did sneak a couple of pics of the crumbling apartment buildings from the beach.
@Big_Dip1
@Big_Dip1 9 ай бұрын
You can be critical of the IDF and Hamas AND have compassion/empathy for the average people caught in the crossfire. There's savagery on both sides and i just hope a resolution that doesnt require more people to die is met...but, not looking good -_-
@nicholasc6876
@nicholasc6876 9 ай бұрын
As horrific as Hamas attack was, people shouldn't be cowed into supporting Israel's overly broad and indiscriminate campaign in Gaza. Social media does not really allow for sane thoughts. Which is why you have all these examples of insane illogical takes.
@hughslooskant4420
@hughslooskant4420 9 ай бұрын
Hard to justify labelling illegal occupying colonizers as 'innocent civilians'. Children should never be harmed.
@TheQuantixXx
@TheQuantixXx 9 ай бұрын
u need some water? touch some grass maybe? lets follow this train of thought. since you don‘t consider the people e.g. at the festival „civilians“ its fair game to rape and murder them? by the same logic the palestinians aren‘t just „civilians“. they cheered when hostages were paraded in the streets. so its fair game to kill all of them? just think your stuff through. the civilians have nothing to do with all of this. idiot
@shahromhawley4872
@shahromhawley4872 9 ай бұрын
Tell Walsh most of us would prefer the stone age to being colonized. Here's something I learned in anthropology. Hunter gatherers work 15 hours a week. And it's work for their own benefit alone. Don't let them jive you-- the world DOES owe you a living.
@annefox926
@annefox926 9 ай бұрын
It is a tricky situation. Hamas hides among the inhabitants of Gaza.They brought the hostages there, too. I don't know how that can be solved. A damned you do, damned you don't. Israel has never shied away from attacks on the Palestinians. I know it goes both ways, but There has never been kindness shown to the inhabitants of Gaza. I hate the fact that the Israelis( with the blessing of the government) go in & take over land as the bullys they have been.
@donovan4222
@donovan4222 9 ай бұрын
It’s not tricky at all, Israel is carrying out a genocide to form a settler colony. Palestinians are resisting a genocide. Palestinians have every right to armed resistance of the genocidal settlers trapping them in concentration camps.
@jonathanc6746
@jonathanc6746 9 ай бұрын
If Hamas didn't exist, the people remaining under whatever new name fighting the genocide would bein the same support. Hamas exists as a reaction to conditions imposed (and directly encouraged) by Israel
@tachobrenner
@tachobrenner 9 ай бұрын
The thing with hostages is, that Israel has people in prison for the most stupid things. A lot of women and children too. So - and that has happened before - negotiations happen to free people from prison in exchange for the hostages. That's what happened with the hostages before.
@bumpin0
@bumpin0 9 ай бұрын
@@donovan4222 Were they resisting genocide during the 1948 war and the 1973 yom kippur war? 1987 Intifada? What about in 2008 when they were offered a 2 state solution then started the 1st Gaza war? There is a reason Israel treats Palestinians in Gaza like prisoners. They don't trust them not to try to destroy Israel. By the tone of your comment it seems like you are in favor of the destruction of Israel.
@laithmughrabi8990
@laithmughrabi8990 22 күн бұрын
Dahiya doctorine, israel targets everything intentionally.
@ShoehorndelBosque
@ShoehorndelBosque 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for juxtaposing this Kyle. This is required reading
@redblitzridden9021
@redblitzridden9021 9 ай бұрын
Love your daily ADD array of backgrounds!!
@patrickkilduff5272
@patrickkilduff5272 9 ай бұрын
Is that the biggest microphone ever made or is it just close to the camera?
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