Exactly its a scam business the diamond market. Besides what can the cops do? it is a real diamond!

Shows how honest jewelers are when they are on the flip side of the equation

U can tell if its LB or not with GIA certificate witch is the norme in diamond trade.

@@igor-fk3vv To begin with Certs aren't "standard" at all, and a GIA is just one of MANY certifications, they're not even the most popular branded lab cert either. Most diamonds don't have a cert nor have they ever been certified, so it's not like you can rely on a Cert as a identification method for a "real" diamond.

@@KiraSlith Ok mister look, i asked no question, what i tell is fact, I work in Antwerp. rapaport is based on GIA certificat, witch is the most popular trusted and used in this industry. HRD is the alternative. Bye.

proof?

Real what!? Their only value is that they emulate naturally formed stones.

@@ludotema3615 It's real in a chemical term. Diamond is nothing more than a piece of carbon material superheated and compressed into what it is. The only difference is the lab-grown diamond can be mass-produced and be sold at a cheaper price while the natural diamond has purposely lowered the supply just to make it look rare no thanks to Debeer's monopoly.

@@iblogger3730 >Same allotrope >Same cleavage >Same fracture >Electronegative to same inclusions >Same refractive index >Same physical properties >Both adamantine >One is made quicker than other Sorry omg I almost *scammed* you, I'll be sure not to do such a thing ever again

Ludo Tema Lab grown diamonds are chemically and physically identical to mined diamonds. The only difference is one took millions of years to form, the other took months. Other than that, they’re identical that had he not said it was lab grown, jewelers cannot tell the difference because there is not differences.

Finally a reasonable person

Bill V diamonds come out in droves everyday but they are not all of quality

DeBeers monopoly is finished since 20years...

My boyfriend will propose with A. Moissanite ! I love Moissanite so much

Bill V That’s why you don’t have a girlfriend or wife. Live forever alone.

What would a clay pot be worth if I told you that it is from 2000 BC? What if I, then, revealed that I had just made it in my garage? Some people care about extrinsic value. For something that is merely supposed to look pretty, I think that is stupid. But, extrinsic value is very important to some.

Right... I'm getting some now. It can come in handy later.

@@Austin1990 Love this comparison

@/root Nah, I think the extrinsic value of natural stones makes even less sense because there is no human connection. My point is just that many people are not like me; they do care about extrinsic value. And, I respect that difference.

@/root If someone lies to you about the origin of an “ancient” vase, you are paying a lot more money than you would have otherwise. Thus, it is an extrinsic value. That is not different from being told that a diamond formed naturally vs being made in a lab. Someone who values the stone just for being natural would similarly pay more for a natural stone as you would pay more for an ancient vase. Just as your valuation differs from mine, our valuations differs from valuations of other people. People place different prices on intrinsic values as well. So, this isn't surprising. But, intrinsic values seem easier for others to relate to.

E T very smart and sweet of you.

@meaturama lol lab and natural are 99% same, same carbon, same hardness, same 4C, same density, heck it is SAME stone, just like hidroponic veggies and land veggies (even the lab diamond are closer to natural than that), the one that make it different are how to get it and how many blood and tears to get it (and price ofc)

Nowadays you can get a lab grown diamond for as low as $600, and it's only getting cheaper. Now couples can get engaged without going broke.

Gia grade them as LG diamond. if u have economic education u should know LG price is going to decrease non-stop cause we can make as much as we want and the cost production is going to drop. But natural diamond are still rare ;)

@@igor-fk3vv yes. But as demand for natrual diamond decreases because LG are getting cheaper and easier to produce, and thus overtake the market (projections from our suppliers are that by 2022 70% of melee and 40% of larger stones on the market will be LG) the price of natrual will drop as well. Supply and demand. Same supply is coming out of the ground every day. But demand will drop.

@@Mike.The.Jeweler Demand for natural diamond dont decrease... The price of natural diamond dont depend of the LG price. Did u like ur own comment ?

@@igor-fk3vv the price is completely dependant on demand. Natrual diamonds don't have any more intrinsic value, so if all the upcoming purchasers don't care about if it's LG or natrual, the demand will drop. As will the price. Judging by your other comments you're clearly just a troll. So in your words, "Bye."

@@Mike.The.Jeweler Lol, Yes price depend on demand i just told u, but genuine and LG diamond don't have the same price, and their price are not depending each other because everybody dont want a "printed" diamond. Of curse natural diamonds have more intrinsic value than LG, they are limited in quantity u stupide. "Bye"

If you are smart you wouldn't buy a real, nor a lab grown diamond. Really, you are okay with 30% your purchase.

Debeers Monopoly is over since year 2000 my friend. Diamond are rare, thats why people dig all their life in africa and are still poor. i work in this industry.

igor igor You are quite ridiculous. Lab grown diamonds has the exact same chemical and physical properties as “natural” mined diamonds, Therefore it has the same value as mined stones. Period. Anything else is propaganda aimed at taking advantage of people for money. Any idea stating otherwise is artificial and not based in reality. There is no difference of opinion that is valid. On an atomic level they are the same. The process by which one is created is neither here nor there. Need I remind you that they are rocks? Saying it’s more valuable because it came out of the earth and is, usually, lesser quality is the absolute definition of self serving stupidity. We get it you’ve devoted your life and career to an artificially inflated industry. You have monetary interest in perpetrating this enormous lie but please get over yourself. You can say the same hysterical madness over and over it does NOT make it true. Scientifically and based in FACT which is measurable and quantifiable, the actual value is exactly same. If you say otherwise you’re just lying, maybe even to yourself, for MONEY.

@@LaDivinaLover @LaBartoliLover To me you look so naif, u wrote ur comment only to convince urself it's ok to buy "printed" stones to ur girlfriend cause ur broke a.f., its more easy to say "diamond is reptilo complotism from evil jew" than making money and buy something authentic. The problem to me s u assume everyone agree on the fact that printed diamond have the same value than genuine, but it's not the case my broken friend. Thats why LG are actually priced cheaper than genuine one, and this disparity increase. Check rapaport on google, u will see the quote of natural diamond, and everything is perfectly find for us, increasing as always. U can check moissanite or even Cz if u like stone from machine, it's cost almost nothing and have better refractive index than diamond ! :) But iT HAVE NO VALUE CAUSE MEN MADE. See ya

@@igor-fk3vv Only two kinds of people defend the value of natural diamonds: those who own a lot of them (investment) and those in the diamond industry (e.g. jeweler in the video). You are in the diamond industry and your opinion is obviously biased.

Not true. I don't even care if you give me something for my birthday. I'll buy with my money what I like. Don't need you to pay for me for something that I'll probably never wear if it's not to my tastes. Spend time with me pay me a lunch or dinner sometimes, buy me some flowers ( that are not roses (please for Gods sake)) and you got a happy girl.

It 7k. Real one is 3k if the girl so picky. it easier for me get new one.

I will probably buy a used LG because i think a 30% discount is not good enough.

No. Really it was debeers capitalizing on the fact women couldn’t own property or have bank accounts up into 1900s, and we needed something to sell for cash in case the man left us.

@@TheSaltRose the problem with that is that diamonds lose more than half of their worth the second they leave the jeweler store.

What is a GIA GG?

@@tethc7580 Gemologist, the one that can tell the origin of diamond and other gem, and he is certified by GIA

@@khazaharto515 thanks bro

@teresat5496 would you recommend buying a lab grown GIA cert diamond on a DTC website?

Glad to hear this from a woman. I took the time and opportunity to share lab grown options with my SO who is a family oriented, catholic and traditional woman. She had no clue it was even an option and was remorseful when she thought I would think a natural diamond is the only option. She did some more investigating on them and agreed that doing anything else is financially irresponsible. The ring has become a social construct and pressure to show social status. I am certain she is the woman I described above and is someone I can commit my life to. Any signs of hesitation would’ve been against her character and I would likely be reconsidering her motives. This was even more refreshing to read.

Alisha C ... You are my kind of woman! Actually knows what’s more important 🙂

Smart woman

Exactly!!! My fiancé and I did the same! We got ours from SimplyBridall on Etsy!

Very sensible thoughts.

Yes, a much better investment! Being as I don't think the 'average' everyday person could afford a diamond engagement ring of a large enough size and good enough quality for it to really be an investment that will pay off in the future, especially when you consider the mark-up on gold and diamonds- if you paid retail for a diamond ring, you already lost money as soon as you walked out of the store. I'm nor divorced, but my family went through quite a rough time a few years back and I sold my natural platinum and diamond engagement/wedding rings. I worked in the jewellery business in NYC for several years, not specifically with diamonds though I did sell some so I had to have some knowledge of the product... Even with a little behind the scenes knowledge, I still could only sell them for a third of the retail price- and I went to several dealers. Funny thing is, I hated those rings. I don't like traditional jewellery, I think diamonds are fine as accent stones. But, IMHO, Mother Earth produces far more beautiful stones than diamonds, diamonds are not rare (though there are rare diamonds), the mark up is ridiculous when considering diamonds as investments, and if your love eternal rests on the size and stone in the ring on your finger, I'd say reconsider if it'ss really love after all.

Monopoly is over since year 2000

They want a real diamond mined from the ground by african child slaves and sold for way more than it's worth. This is a woman's mindset on american capitalism.

Young Money Investments so true!!!

😂

minks1968 not just a human life but the life of our planet!!!!

Kimberley process is an obligation in diamond business, this certificat make authority able to dont let blood diamond on the market. bye.

Exactly!!! I got my simulated set from SimplyBridall on Etsy, she uses recycled materials and simulated diamonds!

The love that you have for your better half is priceless 💍💎💍

I’d prefer lab grown, it’s still a diamond! You can get a bigger ring plus no one dies trying to mine for a stone

Lab grown is real, cheaper and better for the environment props to u !! ☺️

It’s not fake

Moissanite is lab grown. It's lab copied from a meteor particle. I have a CZ that is so beautiful that people grab my hand just to get a better look. I don't bother to tell them it's not a diamond.

Lol do you burn a months salary in a month?

She's crazy lol, funny how ppl prepare for the wedding not the marriage.

That would be 12k for me. I know I'm poor but that's still alot to spend on a ring

do you not have savings?

I agree, and probably true for most humans regardless of gender. I want to be in a million dollar home, but my friends who have that sort of life keep telling me they want my little island shack and surf/kayak as often as I do:)

3 of them are actually rich and 1 of them just want to be rich

I NEVER buy brands. Tiffany's has such simple designs anyway. My real dilemma is when I see some gorgeous design and part of me wants to go to my Jeweler and have him copy it but that is unethical and he probably would not agree anyway.

@@Rivracost3 I have that problem too, so how I solve it: I take the design and alter it so it looks similar to the piece I liked without it being a direct copy (and who really wants to wear something someone else could just buy also? I don't- especially with jewellery) and then have it made with stones different from the original. I'm not fond of solo diamond pieces so it's somewhat easy to do this if you have a good relationship with a decent jeweller (not always easy to find).

They sold me czs at vs prices and I was SO MAD. They wouldn't acknowledge it and tried to say I was scamming them. RIDICULOUS

I'm pretty sure she's a child

lol!!! That's a New Yorker for ya!! Gotta love em!!

Chinese lady

Mostafa Saker ... she was like a 9 year old, why are they asking her?🤔🤣

DJQuikSilva most little girls plan their wedding by that age. I did 😂

This guy apparently knows what all women want and what they prefer! Wow

The complete failure was to not ask the following question of the women: Would you prefer a 1ct diamond or an equivalent 1.25ct diamond?

Resale value of mined diamonds is zero as well though. I brought mine in to the jeweller we bought it from. Original price was $5000 1.5ctw and I was offered $200.

@@lookhowshegobbledthat I would too! Either way you get next to nothing for it for resale so might as well save buying lab grown, plus it’s better for the planet/people don’t have to die in order to get them

@@brooke86 Yes " it's the same game with a house or a car" I got a BMW...IT WAS LOW MILES...NICE RIMS..ETC ...ETC...I PAID" $6000 CASH FOR THE CAR" I BOUGHT IT BACK 6MONTHS LATER TO TRADE IT ON A TRUCK THEY HAD" I ONLY PUT 700 MILES ON THE CAR" HE SAID THE CAR NEEDED THIS & IT HAD TO MANY MILES ON THE CAR..AND THE RIMS WERE NOT THAT NICE" AND THE CAR WAS ONLY WORTH $1200 ON A TRADE IN" A ASKED HIM WERE WAS CHARLES" HE SAID HE LEFT 3 MONTHS AGO" MY POINT IS THIS..I LOST $4800 DOLLARS ON A TRADE IN...I GOT THE TRUCK"...THE BMW" I WENT BACK UP THERE AND ANOTHER SALES PERSON TRIED TO SELL ME THE SAME BMW FOR $5800 PLUS TAXES... EVERY THING THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO NO GOOD TO MANY MILES..RIMS WASN'T THAT NICE" YET NOW THE BMW IS REALLY NICE..LOW MILES FOR THE YR MODEL" AND THE RIMS REALLY MADE THE CAR STANDOUT..WHAT A LOAD OF SH#!T ?

U stupid complotist

so are most things we purchase. but we still purchase it anyway

White sapphire has no fire. It is only comparable to a poorly cut diamond. It is still a good stone; I’m just saying that diamond is still better for some people. But, if someone likes the fire, moissanite has even more fire than a diamond. Diamonds have higher contrast than a moissanite, though. If diamond was the same price as moissanite, it would be an interesting option.

Is money as valuable if we all have our own money press???

But I get your point tho

diamond is a high value material just incase you overlooked the Technicall value of it, like high temperature windows in certain applications, what to think of high tech cutters, or high pressure applications. diamond is so much more then jewelry.

A company may also pretend that they mined diamonds but they produce synthetic diamonds to increase their market value.

@@Olifor84 We make the difference between LG or not with certificate. If a diamond miner sell synthetic as genuine, his face his show in every diamond bourses.

it's still expensive though😂