Lacan - The Real

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PlasticPills

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Buckle up buckos. There was no good video on KZfaq that covers Lacan's Real. This is it. It's very long and sometimes slow, but please leave a comment for me if you think it hit the mark.
The theory in this video is an amalgam of Lacan's Seminar content, but because I only had one book at home when I wrote it, the quotations come from Seminar XI (amzn.to/37eJlAr).
If you like the work there's more at spoti.fi/3f0OIXD and / plasticpills
Thank @Oscar Heath for the transcriptions, and to @gabrielmenndez1 por la traducción al español.
Timecode
0:00 Introduction
6:02 Trauma as Analogy for the Real
16:14 Collapse of the "Ideal I"
22:44 Lacan on the Real

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@Bigglesworthicus
@Bigglesworthicus 4 жыл бұрын
"A functional life is spent *not* being yourself in the least neurotic way possible" time to paint this on my ceiling
@afbf6522
@afbf6522 3 жыл бұрын
Whose words are those?
@Bigglesworthicus
@Bigglesworthicus 3 жыл бұрын
@@afbf6522 plastic pills
@pequodexpress
@pequodexpress 2 жыл бұрын
This needs to go on a Monday-morning coffee mug.
@Sam-iu4sn
@Sam-iu4sn 3 жыл бұрын
"Lacan is not a high-school guidance counsellor." - PlasticPills
@facundoalonso1873
@facundoalonso1873 3 жыл бұрын
Loved it
@Sam-iu4sn
@Sam-iu4sn 3 жыл бұрын
@John Smith at the risk of sounding pedantic, I must point out that Buddha itself means the enlightened one.
@Brickinasock
@Brickinasock 3 жыл бұрын
It's pure intellectual snobbery
@stevenf5902
@stevenf5902 3 жыл бұрын
@Brick You must be a School of Life rep? It’s cringe af and props to Plastic Pills for calling em out
@poultryforest7453
@poultryforest7453 Жыл бұрын
School of life has been pretty infamous for having incredibly distorted takes. It’s kind of amazing they are so popular, but I guess their tales are simple and digestible
@charlesnordberg4168
@charlesnordberg4168 4 жыл бұрын
I used to take a lot out of the School of Life and JBP videos, finding some comfort and guidance in them at the time. It feels a bit embarrassing now, but I'm glad it's led me down the road to content like yours. I've never really managed to get my head around much of what you've covered on your channel through reading the original content, so I really appreciate your efforts to make it all more accessible. That's not to say that I think you've dumbed it down! You do such a great job of contextualising complex and, for many, unfamiliar and unnerving concepts. I hope your channel keeps going and growing. It's something I genuinely look forward to on YT.
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think that should be embarrassing at all. It's impossible to realize the narrative you're acting out without irritations from the outside, and if those sources helped you, then good. If they inspired you to question, then good. For myself, the initiation into theory was inspired by Catholics and neocons and yet here I am. The reason making this shit is worthwhile to me is exactly comments like this one, so, thank you.
@Sigrdrifaz
@Sigrdrifaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@PlasticPills I'm still wrapping my mind around Lacan, I think from what I understand he has the most explanatory model of consciousness in psychology. I see it nonetheless as a valid model placed within an atheist ontology, but not necessarily. A lot of the confusion and linqusitic acrobatics seem to be because the symbolic has no metaphysical identity, its a by product of the human mind. Like the Nietchez metaphysical flux, nothing is anything because it's without the Socratic logos. Interestingly St. Augustine, following Plato, presents a psychology which has a trinity structure for modelling the mind also found in Lacan. What Catholics I think have tried to do is keep the logos and give the symbolic a stable, eternal identity as the Christ image. Which in Lacan's model would alter many of the psychological effects on the subject, who then sees the imagined self in relation to a symbolic which has metaphysical identity itself. Something I think many find artificial, constrained, limiting and destructive to a project of absolute free self construction. A nothing as a self in a meaningless vacuum seems to be presuposed as the only metaphysical structure capable of giving absolute freedom. However, if there is no self, then there is nothing destroyed, or to destroy. yet only in the destruction of this nothing, the primordial repressed phallus, with a faith in a symbolic absolute dose a space open up for a self to be seen in light of a lacking divine image which is experienced as a lost state. Generating the primordial drive to transcend the animal need becoming infused with an intellectual need for a true metaphysical symbolic which can help one remember that lost state. In many ways it seems Lacan explains how psychologically man is completely free, but it's a meaningless freedom unless he sacrifices it to be real in an ontologiclly real universe. Where post redemption the universe is metaphysically returned to Christ, but where man is free to not participate in the ontological real. This explains why one need not be a theist to be sane or ethical, other symbolic constructions are possible but also how faith ultimately anchors the intellect and psyche to the logos of reality's metaphysical structure.
@PragmaticOptimist
@PragmaticOptimist 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it embarrassing? School of Life and Jordan Peterson offer practical advices to deal with real life. Can studying Lacan offer you anything such? I am asking with real curiosity, not ironically. Remember Lacan's theory itself is a concept to describe the psychic experience, it's not "reality" itself, even if in theory it ascribes "The Real" to mean basically "the void". Kind of view it as a belief system, I mean you cannot prove one theory is wrong and the other isn't, so maybe choose the theory that actually helps you?
@peterhospodar7876
@peterhospodar7876 3 жыл бұрын
I do not see that much of a problem with Alain De Botton's approach.. JBP is trash IMHO :D Maybe we can get a critical video on ADB as well..when there's time :)
@Logomachus
@Logomachus 3 жыл бұрын
@@PragmaticOptimist I agree, I really enjoyed Peterson, along with Academy of Ideas, when I was first getting interested in psychological ideas. I'm also interested to see how Lacan's model of the psyche functions compared to Jung/Freud's and what light it can shed on things. I see no reason one can't or shouldn't take advantage of different perspectives to gain a better understanding. It's sad to me how everything has to have this combative, us vs them dynamic. Despite that, this channel seems to have some interesting material for learning to look at things through a somewhat different lens than I'm familiar with. I was and still am a huge fan of JBP and listening to his lectures is what encouraged me to look into Jung & Freud and to go much deeper into psychology and philosophy. I think he offers a lot of good practical advice that can help a lot of people despite being flawed in some ways (who isn't?). It's sad to me how people (this channel included) find it so necessary to put him down, but I tend to think they're revealing more about themselves than they do about him. Not to say JBP doesn't have shortcomings, but most of the criticisms I see are either attacks on his character, are concerned more with what they imagine his audience is taking from his message than what he actually says, or are based on very shallow glimpses into what he says from which they tend to pigeon-hole him. I see very few people bother to engage with his actual views in any substantive way that is not absurdly reductionist. I suppose it's somewhat inevitable that he would have that effect on people considering his popularity, and waging into politics definitely brings out the worst in almost everyone.
@user-se1hq5es5y
@user-se1hq5es5y 5 ай бұрын
Even if I ordered an existential crisis off of Amazon, it would not have been delivered so switfly and elegantly
@igorkovanakoff4166
@igorkovanakoff4166 4 жыл бұрын
I was planning on falling into another existential crisis anyways
@randallmooreao9950
@randallmooreao9950 4 жыл бұрын
the fall is the only good part....
@lokatzlikina
@lokatzlikina 3 жыл бұрын
@@randallmooreao9950 That is until you realise that you are going down too fast, and start missing the safety of the edge. From that moment until you hit the bottom (if there's one) is the worst part, at least from my point of view.
@Panosky
@Panosky 3 жыл бұрын
I find this stuff uplifting =)) just finished another Lacan video, now watching this one; it's 10:10am.
@theunbreaking
@theunbreaking Жыл бұрын
Right???
@theunbreaking
@theunbreaking Жыл бұрын
@@Panoskyme toooo!!!
@mihuuuu
@mihuuuu 4 жыл бұрын
first time I am exposed to Lacan, now I am not sure if others are like this, but when coming out of a psychedelic trip, it feels immediately reality shattering, universe-changing and indescribable. As time progresses you can slowly put your experience together in words and make a meaning out of it, but at the same pace, the trip loses significance and mystique in your consciousness. Eventually it turns merely into "that cool experience" that you had lol... Maybe such process is what the video refers as the "apparatus", reality being gradually pieced back together
@brianbecmer2336
@brianbecmer2336 Жыл бұрын
Very much much agree. I can always tell when the trip has passed its zenith when I can begin speaking intelligibly.
@user_-qg6yd
@user_-qg6yd 10 ай бұрын
Lovely and interesting idea. Surely one I'll give dedicate a few thoughts too
@dunningdunning4711
@dunningdunning4711 3 жыл бұрын
I've been in and out of therapy since my mid teens - and honestly, Lacan's psychology as you've explained it feels like the first time a theory of psychology has actually grasped what I've gone through and makes total sense personally. It's weird, but this video has both deeply disturbed and yet elated me. Honestly, a fantastic video.
@sticksimulated
@sticksimulated 3 жыл бұрын
same here!!
@theunbreaking
@theunbreaking Жыл бұрын
He’s really good at explaining someone’s theory most cannot even wrap their brains around!
@SMG-ce3wi
@SMG-ce3wi Жыл бұрын
@@sticksimulated (2 years late, I realize). I experienced a kind of virtual trauma 5 years ago. Art has provided a pathway to re-constructing an I, a reality narrative. a horror that can't be shared with others via words, logic, or normal narrative can be approached indirectly via art, regardless of medium. I simple couldn't describe to people what had occurred without sounding insane, so I just didn't attempt it. But poetry, short stories, video stuff allowed me to talk about it indirectly which gave family/friends a window into my experience providing a kind of emotional transparency or openness that allows them to help me construct a reality with a sense making narrative. Getting others to validate your experience is so important (not sure validate, maybe just acknowledge ?) but you've got to share it for that to happen and it's incredibly hard to share/express. anyone stumbling on this comment - I know it's kinda trite to say but a tool to help process trauma is indeed artistic expression.
@andersedson4658
@andersedson4658 3 жыл бұрын
PlasticPills is the most underrated philosophy youtuber. He makes things as clear as they can possibly be and doesn't obfuscate the material to sound intelligent. Your ideal-I seems pretty cool plasticpills
@smkxodnwbwkdns8369
@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you know what underrated means
@bradmodd7856
@bradmodd7856 Жыл бұрын
as opposed to the overrated philosophy youtubers...you know who I am talking about
@lijauju
@lijauju Жыл бұрын
@@bradmodd7856 I don't
@ExperiPuer
@ExperiPuer Жыл бұрын
@@lijauju philosophytube
@ericcastillo6011
@ericcastillo6011 Жыл бұрын
The real has fooled you my friend. He is merely thoeing darts blindly and getting lucky .
@josephunderwood1875
@josephunderwood1875 3 жыл бұрын
Lowkey best explanation of what trauma is like that I've ever heard
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 3 жыл бұрын
I'm capable of talking out of my ass at times, but this wasn't one of those
@josephunderwood1875
@josephunderwood1875 3 жыл бұрын
@@PlasticPills Love the channel, I'm learning so much. The visualizations are right up my alley.
@cemcelik4388
@cemcelik4388 4 жыл бұрын
I can imagine that the music in the background was playing while lacan was analysing his patients
@tpta.veronicacalabrese4506
@tpta.veronicacalabrese4506 3 жыл бұрын
Yes...that' s good! Ajajajaj
@jacobb8397
@jacobb8397 3 жыл бұрын
"The ultimate melancholic experience is the loss of desire itself" - Zizek. I've experienced the Real multiple times, and it is not simply dissociation, it really does break your entire reality apart. Being able to put things into to words and make it part of a narrative is what made me become "down to earth" again so to speak. Excellent video.
@Tinkering4Time
@Tinkering4Time 3 жыл бұрын
I am 13 minutes in and I have started crying. I am not alone.
@beagle989
@beagle989 2 жыл бұрын
You are not alone.
@user-ds1so7nv9s
@user-ds1so7nv9s 3 жыл бұрын
this broke me at a level that was unprecedented in my life. i can't even explain the experience. thanks for the... thing
@no_individual
@no_individual 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe for the not-thing?
@user-oz3fh3gg9c
@user-oz3fh3gg9c 2 жыл бұрын
@@no_individual Thats actually... a very good comment for a Jacques Lacan video LOL. Spot on.
@dashthompson6537
@dashthompson6537 3 жыл бұрын
I was not ready for this
@FudoSamaBM
@FudoSamaBM 4 жыл бұрын
omg finally someone explains it without name\term dropping that you need a PHD only to know the droppings. It's like "you are not worth it if you don't understand it". This is great, please PlasticPlills keep doing what you do
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 4 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. Most of academia is a jargon racket for ego balloons
@J5L5M6
@J5L5M6 4 жыл бұрын
Masterful take on these works and topics. I've experienced the death of my parents while young. Also, the senseless violence having been the aggrieved party in an armed robbery in my own home. On a separate occasion I suffered multiple fractures to my face in an unprovoked violent attack by multiple parties outside of a venue. Luckily I've rebounded in high spirits and never suffered from PTSD. Thing is, with all that I've been fortunate to experience and walk away from without much inconvenience, and as much as I've read, reflected, and revisited Lacan's works and other texts that many of your videos tackle (and tackle well 😊) I had never come to understand, in any capacity, the "Real" until last summer. During a friend's destination wedding I engaged in some extra ceremonial, psychedelic activities comprised of three alphabet characters. It wasn't my first rodeo, however, I had not anticipated the strength of the portion taken. Most of the experience was delightful, mainly isolated and filled with music and laughter... It was wasn't until shortly prior to the reintegration phase of returning to 'normal' that I found myself having lost 'my self' and feeling overwhelmed with a faint terror. A feeling that although I was 'me' I could never get back to 'being me' even though I outwardly functioned fine. Everything was alien and nonsensical. It was absolutely terrible and perfectly fine all at once. Your lesson on the 'Real' in this video is the first time I've heard ANYONE articulate similarities to what I experienced that morning. I got enthusiastically nervous when your lecture started to conjure up what I felt then. Once I've reconstructed my reality, I've never felt more alive than after the occurrences when I recognize that I may not be. -Thank you
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 4 жыл бұрын
Real shit man. Thanks for this.
@randallmooreao9950
@randallmooreao9950 4 жыл бұрын
@@PlasticPills The Fall - Camus - is an excellent literary projection of this defense of the empty self as it collapses....
@Maziedivision
@Maziedivision 3 жыл бұрын
Highly recommend you delve into any any introductory text of Lacan. It has helped me find the origin of my own battle with anorexia and manic depression. Lacan’s genius really relies on his borrowing of Saussurian linguistics and adapting it to psychoanalysis; he proposed that the unconscious functions like language and the very nature of internal conflict or even how one responds to it - will reveal itself as metaphor . Fucking genius .
@AdrianAK6
@AdrianAK6 3 жыл бұрын
Many years ago,for a long time I could never understand the meaning of the not returning to self experience of a mild trip.When in fact there never was a 'me' to return to.It is an illusion that we return to a former state from any experience. Life would have been so different if I had got that right away.Gallows laughter 🤣
@comu157
@comu157 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdrianAK6 For me this was a truly haunting event. I too came out of a mild trip (150ug) with this feeling of not returning "home". I rode the bus home in awe and fear, in awe because the new life was so full of meaning and potencial, but in fear because I know I was returning to a carefully created lie, a lie in which I was a mere puppet.
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 4 жыл бұрын
I organized this one into sections because it's so damn long. Here are the timestamps if you get bored and want to skip around: 0:22 - Intro 6:02 - Trauma as Analogy for the Real 16:14 - Collapse of the Ideal I 22:44 - Lacan on the Real Happy collapsing!
@michaelhaddad281
@michaelhaddad281 4 жыл бұрын
Thought this was a fantastic video and will be sharing your channel far and wide.
@rikospostmodernlife
@rikospostmodernlife 3 жыл бұрын
As a lover of dark ambient, can I ask you about the background music?
@apalu7783
@apalu7783 3 жыл бұрын
Love you man🔥🔥🔥😘
@monicau9720
@monicau9720 2 жыл бұрын
@@rikospostmodernlife I also want to know
@kerycktotebag8164
@kerycktotebag8164 4 жыл бұрын
The Real seems like both the ground of trauma, and the source of what some mystics and Buddhists call "the great doubt". I've experienced clinical trauma and what's called "negative psychosis", which is contentless psychosis (no hallucinations or delusions or paranoia) while practicing hours-often simultaneous hours-Zen shikantaza ("just sitting", but really maintaining a diligent great doubt in everything symbolic or imaginary that arises, but through persistently maintained physical attention/proprioception rather than intellectual exercise). I can say that the ruptures aren't always terrifying. They elicit chemical responses that can trigger panic or disgust, those secondary reactions can be desensitised, but the chemical agitation is palpable and patterned. I wouldn't, however, have had words for it at the time: The first words or analogies the would pop up after that would be to rationalise it or distract from it, if not flat-out run from it. The "agitation" sensations/gestalts also rapidly shift into more recognisable basic emotions, and my memory of the exact sensations faded rapidly and I couldn't "call-up" such gestalts in memory if I tried. Also, from my experience, any passive thoughts I had while in that experience would be almost impossible to recall, but the thoughts immediately after (the thoughts accompanying the recognisable basic emotions) would be impossible to forget because they were usually neurotic, insecure, and ego-dystonic. I'm not sure if what I'm describing is the Real, but it's what was left when everything else "dropped off", it's impossible to put into words other than through contrast to other experiences, and it doesn't have a particular signature like emotions. At my monastery, we discussed "feeling tones" (aversive, attractive, inert/indifferent) and this absence of "experiences" didn't really have one, but being there stirred up intense feelings of every "tone". I wonder if Lacan has anything to say about how orbiting closer to the Real can *break apart* neuroses and de-habituate their influence, because whatever i was "doing" in Zen didn't just put me close to my triggers and overwhelm me into some psychotic stupor; rather, staying close to whatever was happening, regardless of whether it was boring, intense, intriguing, psychotic, stupefied, re-traumatising, and allowing my mind and chemicals to react without "turning" the reactions every which way, ultimately freed me from a lot of cognitive-emotional habits that made my life miserable and unbearable. Idk, just circling that drain as close as I can get here. I "grok" what you mean when you say it's unsignifiable though. It's neither coherent nor comprehensible, but trying to explain it can be meaningful. Or at least filled with the force or vector from which we construct meaning.
@danielsmithiv1279
@danielsmithiv1279 4 жыл бұрын
But trying to explain it -- and trying to suck from the force or vector of The Real to construct meaning out of it -- is meaningless as it is vain and futile to construct meaning from something that we can't fathom because we don't even know what truth is anymore. Only when humanity has the truth, can the way present itself, making it possible for us to see what The Real is and learn more from it to break free from the lies of this life and The Lie that conquers humanity. Unfortunately, we lost that truth because we fell into the darkness within us and fell away from The Real. And thus, we continue to live in our own personal darkness as it makes us feel better and forget the trauma of falling out of The Real which has many of the answers that we seek, though those greatest answers are attainable by The One who is The Creator of the Real and allowed us to partake in its infinite existence and reals. However, there is a way to see The Real, experience it, and connect to it once more. But the question is, how much are you willing to sacrifice to experience it? And, assuming you are willing to sacrifice much to experience it, you must know that seeing and experiencing The Real in and of itself shouldn't be your prime motivation in seeking the answers to the truths of life as it is more important in learning and getting to the know The One who created The Real. The Supreme Architect of The Real is not far from us. He is very close, but the lies of this world and our inner darkness has blinded us from this truth. Understand Mori, that when you engaged in these "esoteric" Zen mediation sessions and immediately could not recall your experiences in The Real -- or your passive thoughts derived from those experiences -- understand that it was deliberate. Why? Because you were blinded from seeing The Real and the truths it possesses, cut off by the lies and your darkness -- just as I once was blinded by the lies and my darkness -- though you could break free and see The Truth if you're willing to sacrifice what is necessary to fathom and become apart of it. Yet, how much are you willing to sacrifice? Are you a Neo? Or are you a Cypher?
@kerycktotebag8164
@kerycktotebag8164 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielsmithiv1279 You take yourself wayyyyyy too seriously.
@danielsmithiv1279
@danielsmithiv1279 4 жыл бұрын
@@kerycktotebag8164 I see. Well, let's not take things too seriously. Then again, it makes me wonder if you take yourself too seriously by engaging in debaucherous hours of ridiculously outlandish and stupid Moksha-type meditation while trying to describe the stupidly outlandish things you were attempting to experience by doing certain, strange things to yourself and deeply extrapolating upon a concept that you wish to know more about. LOL Then again, its probably my imagination. So, Mr. Neo, show me how to take things 'less seriously' in our wonderful, "murder free" society. (And let's not forget that this Coronavirus is something we definitely shouldn't be taking seriously either since its all hodgepodge -- as I'm sure you know as well, yes?)
@kerycktotebag8164
@kerycktotebag8164 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielsmithiv1279 You just sounded very presumptuous, so i got annoyed. Get over yourself
@lindisposto
@lindisposto 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is a great reconstruction of zazen in relation to psychoanalysis. I think there's something to it! I liked the video, but I'm not sure about this strange romanticization of the Real as something destructive and terrifying. The ominous music and all that. Of course, if the rupture comes as a violent disruption of a positive narrative, it's all about soufferance. But in my reading it's more than that, and I think the breaking apart of neuroses in a controlled meditation context sounds a lot like "going through the fantasy", the end of analysis. I wonder if there's good publications on Lacan and self-analysis?
@gene8563
@gene8563 Жыл бұрын
I just retired as a therapist after working for fifty two years and if i ever had a question of what an encounter with e real meant, i've had it now. The weird thing is that I knew it would be coming but I thought I could embrace it. I have woken up in terror as i try to imagine my day and therefore my self. I promised myself I would not fill this void with manic defenses. Six months later I am letting the impossibilty of that come as a real limit to my sense of being alive. Great description in the lecture.
@SeedStalkerKlan
@SeedStalkerKlan 4 жыл бұрын
Really impressive work here, thank you for this.
@elephantricity
@elephantricity 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, that snicker at JP's expense was brutal. Anyways, the Real just sounds like what attaining nirvana in the eastern traditions sounds like. Pure emptiness or ego death.
@goexpressive
@goexpressive 4 жыл бұрын
Stumbled onto this, thinking 'Yep, sure to be another mishmash of half-baked, derivative "Lacan" bite-size over-simplifications, misreadings, misleadings and downright errors.' How wrong I was! I'm in awe of how clearly, insightfully and accurately you get into these most difficult of ideas. And how effectively you communicate them, not least by expecting real attentiveness from your viewers, while using the technology to reinforce explanations, rather than glossing them. Keep pushing the envelope like this, you're doing seriously great work.
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your say so. This was by far the most difficult video to make, in every aspect.
@lvl99paint
@lvl99paint Жыл бұрын
This has put words to something I have never really been able to grapple with before. It is so well communicated (if I understand it correctly as I assume, lol). It's interesting how the Real can be experienced in times of immense tragedy and immense bittersweet joy. Being the only survivor of a fatal car crash, watching your childhood home fade away into the distance when you move, and doing DMT all kinda get you to that place.
@elpunkarts5617
@elpunkarts5617 4 жыл бұрын
"you must wear a mask around the people you care about" did he just predict covid?
@sawtoothiandi
@sawtoothiandi 4 жыл бұрын
ditto! just heard this!
@tpta.veronicacalabrese4506
@tpta.veronicacalabrese4506 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe! Ajajajajaj
@mjolninja9358
@mjolninja9358 3 жыл бұрын
Covid was already here in early January
@aldenchan8324
@aldenchan8324 3 жыл бұрын
@@mjolninja9358 people didnt really wear masks in my area at least until march ish idk if that helps anyones narrative or why im even commenting but oh well
@lynnixvarjo9150
@lynnixvarjo9150 3 жыл бұрын
I actually didn't realise that this video was uploaded before it, and thought that was intentional. Like wearing a mask in the sense of not showing yourself and in the sense of not "infecting" other with your existential angst.
@tomokinariyuki185
@tomokinariyuki185 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that Lacan associates "The real" with trauma and Buddhist associate "emptiness, nothingness" with Nirvana, enlightenment.
@hellucination9905
@hellucination9905 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I think christianity forces us to perceive the Real as a traumatic void.
@mylesjeffers6148
@mylesjeffers6148 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same! Lots of meditation focuses on getting to this "pure transcendental consciousness" point, that sounds very similar to The Real. But they take it as a positive peaceful experience that affirms their human experience without the need for objects of desire
@Mavo936
@Mavo936 3 жыл бұрын
They're quite opposite concepts I think. Nirvana is being freed from both desire and suffering (well, desire causes/is suffering); not having to be reborn into the world again. While the Real of Lacan is more like the world according to Camus: the source of suffering because of its indifference
@MuhammadKhan-vn4qo
@MuhammadKhan-vn4qo 3 жыл бұрын
im not too educated on this but in the video it was mentioned that "the real isnt nothingness, but a lack of nothigness" but its so hard to grasp what lack of nothingness even is
@DarkAngelEU
@DarkAngelEU 3 жыл бұрын
@@hellucination9905 Abrahamic religions are conformist, to make a society function and everyone get along, so anything that would expose religion (or a nation) as a construction is threatening and negative. Even as a secular society, we still consider conformity as a valid mode of thinking. Independent thought and critical thought are only appreciated when it aids our ideal of progress. So yeah, we very much are entangled with our ideals and religious heritage still.
@mattmarkowicz
@mattmarkowicz 4 жыл бұрын
"You may find out that your self-doubt means nothing was ever there" -Green Day (who knew Billy Joel read Lacan)
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 4 жыл бұрын
Who knew Billy Joel was in Green Day!?
@scodosoayl7817
@scodosoayl7817 2 жыл бұрын
@@PlasticPills When one resides in The Real, they can transverse the Multiverse. And in one of those Realities, Billy Joel is the lead singer of Green Day.
@annedeoedipus7849
@annedeoedipus7849 Жыл бұрын
I have only just algorithmed across your channel; always late to the party. Some of your descriptions resonated like experiencing our fictions as fictions. As a young person, trauma and psychedelics gave me that gift (‘gift’ is my attempt at edge lord, disregard what you need to). I recall ranting something like systems can not function once identified and experienced as systems which was my youthful and inarticulate attempt to talk about an encounter with the real before I had encountered Lacan. Reading Lacan changed my life-I am so self-helpish!-but so did LSD and childhood abuse (and everything else, I’m just running the highlight reel). Lacan gave me a vocabulary for understanding. I think your effort here is pretty good.
@martynsommer6245
@martynsommer6245 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been interested in Lacan for 35 years but I’ve never seen his ideas presented so clearly and coherently as you have done. Thank you for correcting some misunderstandings that I have perpetuated over the years. I know he was a psychoanalyst, but I believe he is also one of the most underrated philosophers of the twentieth century.
@void.defender
@void.defender 4 жыл бұрын
Though complicated for many people beguiled by their own escapism Lacan's perspective very much makes sense, describing the inner working of human beings down to the minute detail. Thank you for your outstanding work and producing such high quality videos like this one here for lay persons like me.
@nancysiouta7038
@nancysiouta7038 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Could you suggest of any books to start with Lacan?
@vishalvarier5397
@vishalvarier5397 3 жыл бұрын
@@nancysiouta7038 you should check out Bruce Fink's books on Lacan - he's also the translator of Lacan's Ecrits into English. "The Lacanian Subject" by him is a book I always go to✌️
@OH-pc5jx
@OH-pc5jx 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, I've submitted captions for this one as well. The one bit I couldn't quite get was the final sign-off unfortunately, so maybe review that. Might be worth checking the rest of them, but I've been over it relatively carefully. All the best, big love
@PlasticPills
@PlasticPills 4 жыл бұрын
For real Oscar, props. I'm struck that you think the vids are worth enough to spend your time on, because up till now it's just me. Thanks for your work
@adeleangell
@adeleangell 3 жыл бұрын
I watch with captions so thank you Oscar!!
@Slipping_thru_the_Seams
@Slipping_thru_the_Seams 3 жыл бұрын
thank you!!!
@Joe-ol5bq
@Joe-ol5bq 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who just recently underwent a traumatic week that completely ruptured my sense of self and reality, this video made sense. A LOT of sense. Too much sense in fact....
@goravjindal
@goravjindal 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I do not know why this video has only 22k views. One of the best on all of youtube.
@epochphilosophy
@epochphilosophy 4 жыл бұрын
Yo, using this video as a little Zizekian resource on Lacanian objects, etc. I can feel the After Effects 3D camera work at 2:30. The camera still scares me.
@vidividivicious
@vidividivicious 4 жыл бұрын
Shouts to you man, great content as always. Shared it in a couple groups to help you get some more (very deserved) followers
@magachan4440
@magachan4440 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve only watched your two videos on Lacan, but they are amazing! Finally feel like I understood something of this theory. Thank you so much for making these videos
@gsus000
@gsus000 3 жыл бұрын
Okay, In thirty minutes, almost of a sudden, all had become clearer than it's been for me in two semesters of psychoanalysis college class. This video, this work, this channel deserves a standing ovation. THANK YOU.
@kiDchemical
@kiDchemical 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for making this! I found it deeply profound. All the effort you put into explaining the subject matter and producing a quality video really shows through. Much love
@9432515251
@9432515251 4 жыл бұрын
you have hit it out of the park my friend. please dont stop creating videos even if your channel doesnt blow up. if your patreon doesnt get as lit just continue your podcast.
@maitri5265
@maitri5265 4 жыл бұрын
I was attentively watching your video but I have to stop to comment this. Woah! It's impressive to see you explain such hard subject without many pauses or jump cuts, and you interract with the graphic on the screen. Kudos to you and all the technical people!
@ianbanghart6333
@ianbanghart6333 4 жыл бұрын
Love the video! I'm reading Baudrillard's Fatal Strategies right now, and this video's a welcome addition. Baudrillard talks directly about Lacan, as well as spending time with his own ideas that are adjacent to a good bit of this video. The new, higher tech animations and key in the bottom corner are quite cool as well.
@denzali
@denzali 4 жыл бұрын
Coming back from the real is scary. You rebuild yourself from nothing entering knowingly into a contract that is life can continue as long as you constantly work to forget the void.
@DavidHatesNewYoutube
@DavidHatesNewYoutube 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know your story, but I don't think using escapisms is a way of rebuilding yourself from the real since that's just avoidance, which doesn't do anything to address the problem. Rather, you rebuild yourself through meaningful experiences and activities, with professional help if possible. At least that's how it's been for me. But what do I know, I still struggle with it quite a bit, although not nearly as much as I had years ago.
@denzali
@denzali 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidHatesNewKZfaq I feel you on this, I think I was feeling hyper present when I wrote the above comment. And perhaps trying to appear in control in my lack there of. Classically insecure statement overall, I’m still “in the moment” and giving value to my choices which is seat of the pants scary tbh. But I’m making a path so I’ll take that as a level up. Therapy didn’t work too well for me, I was more indulgent and provoking than really getting out what was needed. I feel like if you play your hand in life you get the lessons you need, it’s not always pretty. Take care
@julesdudes853
@julesdudes853 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video, i guess this whole video just helps me rationalize reality in a more broader sense to actually keep living life, thanks! nice new effects by the way, love how the channel keeps trying new things and innovating.
@jakeygerald
@jakeygerald 2 жыл бұрын
This is invaluable. You break down some of Lacan's most difficult concepts into such graspable terms, which is a real talent. Can't thank you enough for making this video!
@jonathanvides273
@jonathanvides273 3 жыл бұрын
Your video series on Lacan have really helped me wrap my head around Lacan’s theoretical contributions. Thank you!
@oblivion6983
@oblivion6983 3 жыл бұрын
didn't think i could ever get emotional watching a theory vid on youtube... a lot has come into focus over the last 30 mins, thank you
@wcropp1
@wcropp1 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video, my friend. I’m reasonably well informed on psychological/philosophical topics, and I know Lacan is a tough nut to crack-especially the Real. I find a lot of value in psychoanalysis when addressing past traumatic events compared to other forms of therapy-I think that is where Lacan and other psychoanalysts really shine. Bravo!
@Inuhater
@Inuhater 3 жыл бұрын
I could have listened to you talk about this for hours, deeply fascinating. Puts into perspective a few moments in my life that I couldn’t explain previously
@ParkrinkBeats
@ParkrinkBeats 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this buddy! Lacan is so hard to explain, but you've summed it up in a really quick vid. Appreciate it.
@rodolfocarrillo6166
@rodolfocarrillo6166 4 жыл бұрын
ON MY MOMA- This has been the best video I have watched on youtube.
@victorgrauer5834
@victorgrauer5834 4 жыл бұрын
There are artists, composers and poets who can provide an encounter with the real. It cannot be explained, but it can be experienced, yes.
@johncattaneo
@johncattaneo 3 жыл бұрын
Can you share any artists through which you've experienced the real?
@victorgrauer5834
@victorgrauer5834 3 жыл бұрын
@@johncattaneo Yes. The work of certain "modern" artists such as the cubism of Picasso and Braque, the neoplasticism of Mondrian, the music of Anton Webern and his disciples Stockhausen and Boulez, Joyce's Finegan's Wake, Gertrude Stein, the films of Stan Brakhage, etc. For details see my blog book "Antactic Structures" antacticstructures.blogspot.com/
@johncattaneo
@johncattaneo 3 жыл бұрын
@@victorgrauer5834 This is very interesting, thank you. I've taken a look at your website, it seems to touch on topics I'm very interested in, so I look forward to exploring it more.
@DavidHatesNewYoutube
@DavidHatesNewYoutube 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot tell you how much I connect with this video. You've put into words (well, what can be put into words) what I've been struggling with for almost a lifetime. It's also very reassuring to know that it's something that can be alleviated over time.
@WelcomesCelebrates
@WelcomesCelebrates 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best video i have seen till now regarding Lacan. And your explanation has enabled me to better comprehend Lacan. Thank you.
@MartinThau
@MartinThau 4 жыл бұрын
What a dare! This demonization of the Real seems very macho to me. It's described like a horror movie monster - for the "chosen few" who can stomach it and so on . . . Why shouldn't the Real be a transcendental experience of sublime nothingness? - It also doesn't convince me that everything we do in this world must be a charade. It would be impossible to forfeit one's life then, because there's no doom.
@Hauntolo-G
@Hauntolo-G 4 ай бұрын
After the meltdown about the other channel he went into a diatribe that came off more like his own fears rather than universal ones.
@benhouston6789
@benhouston6789 4 жыл бұрын
Well articulated, thank you. I see parallels between the Real and the Absurd; think Sarte's "La Nausée." Interestingly, it seems that the philosopher, or the person who has such critical intuitions, may be able to think themselves into encounters with the Real. Such an encounter would not require the occurence of a traumatic physical event, but would, in response to the terrifying recognition of the Real, cause a traumatic mental event. Trauma occurs in either case. Thus I see the method of psychological treatment/recovery differing in respect to the intellect of the victim. Those who had been always happily delusional by their Reality must, after the traumatic physical event occurs, be guided back into that illusion. Those whose trauma derives from the breaking of that illusion cannot do this. They will never again be contented with it; they are all too aware of its meaninglessness. What to do with them? That's the question existential philosophy attempts to answer. Camus said, "The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." Suicide is a non-option because this person has just recognized the fact that there is nothing in them to kill. The only solution is to radically recreate the self, which is then not a delusion, because you have consciously created it.
@sawtoothiandi
@sawtoothiandi 4 жыл бұрын
i went back to the illusion, but try to subvert where appropriate, perhaps so others may begin to doubt the reality of the ideology we swim in. covid should rattle loose a few free-thinkers
@lordtains
@lordtains 3 жыл бұрын
I love this. Great quality and very clear description! I also love the citations that you use; it's important to use primary sources instead of secondary sources only.. have subscribed.
@jessicasimpson6091
@jessicasimpson6091 3 жыл бұрын
You are great at this. Only when I listened to your explanation did I begin to make sense of Lacan. I really hope you do more videos on these topics. I like your references to culture today. But would love to watch more in depth videos on these lines. Please continue to create.
@MsMidooox
@MsMidooox 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing Video, the concepts are thoroughly and accurately explained. I have been in analysis with a disciple of Lacan (he was part of the Ecole Freudienne de Paris), and your video is accurately portraying most of the properties ( if one can attribute any to this register) of the Real. I would love it if you delve in your next videos on the Concept of the Sinthome, it eases the anxiety a bit.
@domenicmolinaro6580
@domenicmolinaro6580 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I recently had a bit of a traumatic experience and this has helped me begin to parse it
@arinajmomarosman911
@arinajmomarosman911 Жыл бұрын
This is an incredible explanation of Lacanian the Real, and with the previous video on the other two registers, they give an excellent understanding of Lacan's Subjectivity theory. It actually helped me a lot in making sense of the registers and subjectivity as a whole.
@DerBruher93
@DerBruher93 3 жыл бұрын
You did a very good job of making the Real something which finally is starting to make sense to me as part of a framework. I had just about given up trying to read Lacan, but now I think I know how to approach making sense of it. Thanks!
@hevorg1381
@hevorg1381 4 жыл бұрын
This was great, I used to read Lacan when I was in university. I think you did a great job.
@amandahuebner2348
@amandahuebner2348 2 жыл бұрын
I was an incredibly devout Mormon until November 8th, 2015 when my entire world was pulled out from under me. I understand the black hole that is left after experiencing The Real very well. But not only is my life better from not being in an oppressive religion, the experience I had of loosing all of my coordinates has granted me the capacity to deterritorialize in a safe way in parts of my life going forward.
@kostaborojevic498
@kostaborojevic498 Жыл бұрын
What happened?
@wlovesourtea3464
@wlovesourtea3464 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I've been trying to find good information about Lacan on youtube for months now
@onie1940
@onie1940 2 ай бұрын
4 years late but I absolutely love your content, humor and the cool visuals, they help a WHOLE lot. Also not sure if anyone's mentioned it but a big thank you for writing the captions too, I'm sure it took a lot of time to complete. Truly one of the best creators/teachers of philosophy on here.
@melkior33
@melkior33 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. So many of us outside of Academia are greatful for providing these lessons! I think I may have had a few close encounters with the Real. This video made me just wanna call up my closest friend, go running in the woods together and share a meal afterwards. Peace to all.
@pablobarroso7193
@pablobarroso7193 3 жыл бұрын
I love Lacan. Nothingness is a terrible in Western psyche, but in zen buddhism is a really good thing. I practice meditation.
@thorstenmohlmann732
@thorstenmohlmann732 3 жыл бұрын
I am so grateful for finding this channel. Brilliant!
@rafaelcarvalho3928
@rafaelcarvalho3928 3 жыл бұрын
I have watched this video many times. I feel very convinced. You make a lot of sense. Thank you for it. It is very good. If you continue like this, i think you re going to save the world
@stefanmarin6983
@stefanmarin6983 4 жыл бұрын
This shit is so good. You're very good at explaining concepts, good job!
@kerycktotebag8164
@kerycktotebag8164 4 жыл бұрын
Checking back in. This video seems to be doing fantastically well with lots of engagement. Cheers
@duvide659
@duvide659 3 жыл бұрын
incredible! this video and your "mirror stage" videos are my first exposures to lacan. I've been studying psychoanalysis in my free time for about a year now (after studying psychology for a few years) and i've been interested in Lacan for a while after listening to Zizek speak of him. I can relate personally to what has been said here and once again - as this happens frequently - i am utterly taken aback at the precision with which psychoanalysis describes the human condition. thanks for your effort it is appreciated!
@amandalael081984
@amandalael081984 10 ай бұрын
Thank you....this helped make SO much more sense out of the writings of Lacan and Freud for my Master's course on analyzing literature. You simplified and clarified it very well. Thank you!!
@afterschooling2509
@afterschooling2509 3 жыл бұрын
This video does struck cord near my event horizon
@mimokamas
@mimokamas 4 жыл бұрын
I've studied Lacan for the last couple of years, snd i could say, this is maybe the best KZfaq Introduction of lacans work, and specially the real, which is really difficult to grasp. Specially the absolute Negativity (lack of Nothing, less than Nothing). But i think, it was a little bit too much for one video. I'm waiting a new video about "Jouissance". Well done !!
@ladanmahgoub4769
@ladanmahgoub4769 4 жыл бұрын
I like how you pause after introducing an idea. Gives us time to grasp it
@MattStranberg
@MattStranberg 3 жыл бұрын
All of your videos are incredible. This may be one of your best. Profoundly helpful on every level
@shreyavarma
@shreyavarma 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I've recently began exploring Lacan's texts and others commentaries on his theory. I thought the two videos on Lacan were easy to understand and broke down his theory in a way which was easy to decipher and make sense of. The animation in the video was creative and helpful and also added to the whole experience of 'the real'... I use a lot of Winnicott and Bion in my practice... My supervisors follow the object-relations school of psychoanalysis... I've started delving into Lacan because of my interest in language and its relationship to trauma... While watching the video I thought it was interesting and felt like there were subtle ties in Winnicott's unthinkable anxiety, Bion's nameless dread, Grotstein's writings on blackholes and also Green's work on the negative... I thought all of these were in some ways coming closer to the experience of the real... Those were some of my thoughts :) Thanks for the video once again.
@h.a.s.42
@h.a.s.42 2 жыл бұрын
I also am interested in the role of the language on trauma. Extremely helpful tips. Thank you.
@shreyavarma
@shreyavarma 2 жыл бұрын
@@h.a.s.42 :)
@b3spacecadet
@b3spacecadet 3 жыл бұрын
This episode almost broke me, dude. lol and it didnt do its thing until later on when I was explaining it to someone and we both just had a kinda real event.
@user-rg4lc5ib6p
@user-rg4lc5ib6p Ай бұрын
Thank you thank you thank you for this amazing video here for me and others - your work lives on and on and is very appreciated.
@jaysunuwar
@jaysunuwar 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Your hard work and honest presentation is appreciated and obliged.
@phangkuanhoong7967
@phangkuanhoong7967 3 жыл бұрын
this is mind-blowingly good. thank you!
@peanut8690
@peanut8690 2 жыл бұрын
Words can’t explain how great this video is(almost like it resists symbolization as a Real ;))
@gracchusresurgit1158
@gracchusresurgit1158 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved these Lacan Videos and especially their Animations - The part of the self which is projected outwards, leaving a hole in the body, the triangle transforming into a pyramid where the real is a plain - amazing stuff, thank you so much for this.
@tomokinariyuki185
@tomokinariyuki185 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting for someone to discuss and compare the concept of "Real" by Lacan and Buddhist's concept of "Emptiness."
@carllejon2386
@carllejon2386 3 жыл бұрын
I would recommend the book The Signifier Pointing at the Moon: Psychoanalysis and Zen Buddhism by Raul Moncayo. His a Zen Buddhist and a Lacanian Psychoanalist, a great book on this subject!
@wanneslabath16
@wanneslabath16 3 жыл бұрын
@@carllejon2386 from my understanding a big difference is how one implements the experience, as the Real is always present meditation is a practice of being with that presence. In terms of identity the whole practice of Buddhisme seems to be about creating an identity that doesn't try to deny its own futility, if all identities are without substance or inherent meaning then non violence or compassion seem to be the only same answer. It's better to smile for no reason at Al then to fight for no reason at all.
@carllejon2386
@carllejon2386 3 жыл бұрын
@@wanneslabath16 i agree with you. I would say that the practice of meditation could be seen as a practice of going away from reality (samsara) twords the non-dual Real (bodhi) thru the union of the four seals. If you think of Lacan as a crasy wisdom teacher I think he sound a lot like a vajrayana buddhist guru haha
@josephang9927
@josephang9927 3 жыл бұрын
The Self of Jung
@tomokinariyuki185
@tomokinariyuki185 Жыл бұрын
The answer generated by Chat GPT: The Lacanian concept of Real and the Buddhist concept of emptiness both address the idea that there is a fundamental lack or gap in our experience of the world and ourselves. In Lacanian psychoanalysis, the Real refers to the unrepresentable and inaccessible truth beyond the symbolic order of language and culture. Emptiness in Buddhism, similarly, refers to the lack of inherent existence of all phenomena, which can only be apprehended through direct realization and cannot be grasped through conceptual thinking. Both the Real and emptiness challenge the idea of a fixed and permanent self and the world, and suggest that our experiences and identities are inherently flawed and incomplete. It's pretty good, isn't it?
@TheOrthodoxHeretic
@TheOrthodoxHeretic 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. In addition to the content, the editing and graphics are great, and should hopefully lift the bar for other KZfaq theory types. Well done.
@Farhadium
@Farhadium 3 жыл бұрын
Hands down. This guy is the coolest, the most informative and the most creative “Theory youtuber” out there. I hope you would keep the wonderful job up. 👏🏻👍🏻
@manolokoooo
@manolokoooo 2 жыл бұрын
bro, youre awesome, and im saying this as a psychoanalyst. Great explanation, arguments, examples... everything. Congrats!
@brianbecmer2336
@brianbecmer2336 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation of Lacan’s Real hits closest to the mark of encapsulating any description I’ve ever been able to make of the most intense and harrowing acid trip I’ve ever had. And yes, reality has never been as stable.
@genrepunk
@genrepunk 2 жыл бұрын
A friend asked out of the blue to talk with me about Lacan, and we did that earlier tonight. I haven't read him but was curious what she'd have to say. I went through your preceding video (revised version) and that was a great help in sussing out the meaning from her recollections of the material. There was a quote she had garbled but made sense once she found the original: "The picture is in my eye, but I am in the picture." As for the rupture of reality by the real, thank you for the lucid explanation. I think I even understood most of it. I believe rupture accounts well for a time a few years ago when I was in a stadium full of people and suddenly hit by the realization that I had no meaningful connection to any of them and that life was ephemeral, that living and dying are both solitary activities. These truths were not new of course, but I felt the full weight of them in those moments in the foreground of my experience, as an existential crisis. (The way I dealt with it is another story.)
@ibis0921
@ibis0921 Жыл бұрын
More Lacan please!! I’ve listened to this multiple times and probably will listen to it a few more times.
@hendricka3029
@hendricka3029 Жыл бұрын
I am late to the party here, however, this video is phenomenal. Even though the theory feels a bit like metaphysics - and I am neither an expert of metaphysics or psychology- it feels like it touches something that underlies humanity. It is not pretty, and it doesn’t make you happy, it feels like a mere description of something. I wish you would do more videos on Lacan or maybe on the reasons why Lacan isn’t as popular anymore, and how the post-structuralist tradition kinda put an end to it. Anyways, you are probably busy with your new “series” that is also highly intriguing and compelling. Your channel is a real gem!
@Gabriel-ig2pb
@Gabriel-ig2pb 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing explanation... Well done!
@rubeng9092
@rubeng9092 4 жыл бұрын
That music in the background is sooo REAL.
@GambitsAndThievesInc.
@GambitsAndThievesInc. 3 ай бұрын
this is the best channel on youtube if you ask me
@dustycatfish5658
@dustycatfish5658 3 жыл бұрын
I love this video so much, thank you for making it.
@thers1tes
@thers1tes 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, that video. I delved into Lacan a couple of months ago, so I am not THE person qualified to comment on the excellence of the video, however I feel a deep urge to congratulate you for the effort and the (huge, I am sure) amount of time spent on making sense of the whole thing. My understanding on the Real was pretty close to your ideas. I also need to share with you the following fact: a couple of hours before your upload, I searched for the Real on youtube, and draw the conclusion you draw on the video caption. Then, I went back to studying, reading a chapter on the Real from S. Homer's introduction to Lacan. And a few hourse later, I saw a notification regarding your video. A hell of a coincidence, right? Anyway, fun fact, not important. All these, however, made me comment on the video, which is something I rarely do. What bothers me now that (I tell myself that) I get a grip on Lacan's triadic schema is the signified. The signifier is part of the Symbolic, and the image of the signified is part of the Imaginary. The futility (?) of the signified is part of the Real, and all these refer to psychic qualities regarding that signified. But what about the actual signified? What about the 'real' table, which existence I perceive distorted through my senses and language? It's there, no doubt about it (haha), and I thought that probably Lacan would locate it in the realm of the Real. However the notions of the Real described above and in bibliography, make no mention of such a concept, so my guess was rather wrong. So, what does Lacan say about the external world, the things, animals, etc, as "things existing" idependently of our conceptions about them? Did he ever mention anything on the subject? p.s. "The habit of saying I" is very well represented on my comment, haha. Keep it up mate, great work!
@ashiok
@ashiok 4 жыл бұрын
The answer I could give would honestly be too difficult to condense and is extremely expansive/complex, but I can refer you to the necessary material that will examine the issue in elaborated detail! The books: "The sublime object of ideology" and "Less than nothing: Hegel and the shadow of dialectical materialism", both by Slavoj Zizek. The most TL;DR possible hint I can give you, however, is that you are incorrectly conceiving of the conceptualization that regards the forms of objects to be apparent in a standard Platonist fashion(i.e. the 'truest rendition of things, that is, things that exist in & of themselves outside of our perception and conception') to begin with. Well, not incorrectly per the standards of most canonical Greek to Western Philosophical/epistemological history and thought, but incorrectly if taken in accordance with Lacan's implicit understanding of the topic qua Hegel. As such, the orthodox Platonist conception would be erroneous to begin with (this linear history is assumed to be minimally correct, as it needs to be in order for both the orthodoxy and the history of much philosophical canon to hold without at least some disruption). Lacan problematizes this classical type of thought, ruptures the epistemological standard into a new alterity (other radicals of this vein are Derrida and Deleuze, I would say, though they disagree with Lacan, and neither are formally designatable as 'anti-philosophers' like Lacan, since Lacan's ideas holistically renew much philosophical canon through problematization, hence Alain Badiou's classification of him as anti-philosopher)--it is not that forms do not exist whatsoever or that the answer to their naturality is circularly unattainable as per Hume, it is that their precise existence is not as we, per Plato, might have thought. There is a reason that 'the real' is analogous to an utterly obsolete desert, this analogy pertains to the 'essence' of objects, as it were--so that its ontology bodes towards epistemological realities as well. Lacan is closer to being an inverted neo-platonist than a traditional Platonist, his understanding of forms is like Plotinus' idea of 'the one', only, through Lacan's inversion, the one is actually 'the great insufficiency immanent to the structuration of reality' (and not the perfect, harmonious constituency of positivisation found in Plotinus' notion of the one).
@blockchaindevelopersunited9720
@blockchaindevelopersunited9720 2 жыл бұрын
@@ashiok saying all perceptions are false, is self inconsistent.
@blockchaindevelopersunited9720
@blockchaindevelopersunited9720 2 жыл бұрын
@@ashiok anti philosophy is philosophy
@fugeki2249
@fugeki2249 3 жыл бұрын
The Real "must once again be apprehended in its experience of rupture, between perception and conciousness". This made me feel like it's time for a video on Merleau-Ponty's body phenomenology :) what do you think PlasticPills?
@joaov8782
@joaov8782 2 жыл бұрын
That background sound fits so well to Lacan's! Very informative video mate, helped me a lot! Great experience. Greetins from Brazil
@guydrinkstea
@guydrinkstea 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if any other comments have pointed this out yet, but what you mentioned around the 10-minute mark about the so-called "life narrative" is actually a really important concept in contemporary personality psychology, even from a scientific standpoint. What's even more amazing is that Lacan was seemingly talking about this decades before it entered the science of psychology. Really fascinating stuff, and amazing video as always!
@zombieduck2864
@zombieduck2864 4 жыл бұрын
Finally a damn video that explains Lacan so well, I was struggling to find a way to get into Lacan, but other sources seemed so complex, but dude to this video I can now step into it, and also can you tell me how lacanian psychoanalysis can help treat someone? And what do you think about jung?
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