Lacy Hunt: Bonds, Growth, and Jobs In a "Disinflationary Stew" with Danielle DiMartino Booth

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Lacy Hunt: Bonds, Growth, and Jobs In a "Disinflationary Stew" with Danielle DiMartino Booth of Quill Intelligence
12.17.21
With inflationary concerns weighing upon bonds, how should investors think about the future of yields and their key drivers such as growth, employment, and monetary and fiscal policy? In this conversation with Danielle DiMartino Booth of Quill Intelligence, Lacy Hunt, chief economist at Hoisington Investment Management Co., argues that a growth in money supply does not necessarily create inflation if the velocity of money is low since the extra money supply remains trapped in the financial system. Booth and Hunt consider the acceleration of secular changes such as reliance upon technology, which increases productivity and is therefore a disinflationary pressure. Key learnings: Hunt and Booth argue that the recent rise in U.S. Treasury yields doesn’t take into account vital structural changes such as the decline in the velocity of money and in the marginal revenue product of debt. As such, it is possible that the inflationary fears that have recently rattled the U.S. Treasury market are overblown.
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@pulsarlights2825
@pulsarlights2825 2 жыл бұрын
Bernie Sanders walks into a bar and says, "Free drinks, who's buying?"
@inittowinit928
@inittowinit928 2 жыл бұрын
The Fed is buying. Don’t worry, taxpayers will pay for it.
@mikewilliams4947
@mikewilliams4947 2 жыл бұрын
Man walks into a bar and loses a limbo contest.
@jamesmadlener6189
@jamesmadlener6189 2 жыл бұрын
the rich
@retirednow1867
@retirednow1867 2 жыл бұрын
Filmed in march 2021, he says we wont have inflation. Today is 12/17/2021, he was wrong about inflation after all.
@matthewpool494
@matthewpool494 2 жыл бұрын
So far
@nohopeequalsnofear3242
@nohopeequalsnofear3242 2 жыл бұрын
There is no higher insight into economics than Lacy... When lacy talks, i listen
@Reflect50
@Reflect50 2 жыл бұрын
So excited to see Mr Hunt. He is so amazing. I am honored and privileged to watch him again !!!I am 71 It’s past my bedtime … I just couldn’t go to sleep and miss seeing Mr. Hunt and you, Danielle ! Thank you both so much !!!
@civilguardk9llc551
@civilguardk9llc551 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the most informative interview I’ve listened to recently. A current events review of this interview with you both would be exceptionally helpful.
@halbrooks4654
@halbrooks4654 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad Lackey is just plain wrong. Typical pompous ass , PHD acedemic who's used to " yes boss " delusional confirmation.and keynesian economic failure.
@maxmont21
@maxmont21 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent DMB interview with a highly regarded macro commentator. Huge respect to both. This discussion emphasises the polarisation of the deflationistas and the inflation hawks. It seems undeniable that we are experiencing very high inflation currently, but LH does not really engage on this “elephant in the room”, other than to argue its transitory. I remain suspicious of “core inflation” arguments because it ignores the real cost of living crisis we are witnessing, right here, right now. Furthermore record exports from China, Taiwan, Thailand etc suggest the inflation is not simply supply chain bottlenecks. In fact freight volume through Los Angeles/Long Beach are exceeding 2019 levels suggesting excess demand (due to money supply expansion) is also a factor. I do wonder whether economic models developed in a very different world can now help us understand what is really happening in the real world of 2021 - with record stimulus, QE infinity, a vastly financialised economy with record asset prices, ZIRP, crypto, and a Government/Fed that has lost all control. I don’t believe there is a credible model for this mess. Stew is the operative word. There are no experts anywhere who have any experience of these conditions. We are all fumbling around in the dark, and no one has a map.
@toddscallan8781
@toddscallan8781 2 жыл бұрын
Well said. They are going to run this car without oil until the engine blows up. After it does blow up they will lift the hood and just look at the engine without a clue how to fix it.
@d23wilson
@d23wilson 2 жыл бұрын
Listening to Dr Lacy Hunt makes my heart warm. He has a true grasp of the fundamentals, wiping away the hype and sticks true to logic & his knowledge with unwavering wisdom. The only thing i have of concern is his call on disinflation, i wonder whether he is talking about monetary volume or consumer prices? I wonder myself if the lowering of consumer goods and/or delivery to get them to consumers, along with such a vast array of consumer financial products at the hands of consumers to step into credit could cause inflation of consumer goods for quite sometime…all the while we see lower productivity, entities close…so in effect stagflation on steroids.
@jerryplaying42
@jerryplaying42 2 жыл бұрын
Wow Quill Intelligence and Danielle is everywhere. How lucky are we. This woman should run for President
@brent0708
@brent0708 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Dr. Hunt calls it, “inflationary psychosis gripping the financial markets”.
@fredcrossman5133
@fredcrossman5133 2 жыл бұрын
I am tired of the slow velocity=no inflation argument. As Uncle Miltie correctly said increase in money supply (MS)=loss of purchasing power = Inflation. Velocity has been declining since 1997 (Lacy's chart). MS had gone from $5 tril to $22 tril today. The median house price in 1997 was $120K. Now $360K. That is a 200% decrease in purchasing power=200% increase in inflation. An auto in 1997 was $22K. Now $40K. Etc. If it is snowing hard or softly ( lower velocity) there is still an accumulation of snow on the ground. The Fed prints money every day and the Treasury puts it into the economy.
@Aries61
@Aries61 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Danielle and Lacy for your collective wisdom and sage advice. 🙏✌️🇺🇸
@richyrich3285
@richyrich3285 2 жыл бұрын
I don't necessarily agree with his statement about QE money going into the financial market and not into the real economy and thus not causing consumer price inflation. QE creates asset bubbles, and increased asset prices increases the purchasing power of those who own the assets. That increased purchasing power can make its way into the real economy if those inflated assets are turned into cash or borrowed against.
@jacknaneek1681
@jacknaneek1681 2 жыл бұрын
DDMB has become a world class interviewer.
@markalexander5124
@markalexander5124 2 жыл бұрын
The ad at min 4 really pissed me off. I sitched off and watched no more.
@paulrath7764
@paulrath7764 2 жыл бұрын
I just don't get this "deflationary environment" nonsense of the last 20 years. I buy for our company, a medium-size distributor and manufacturer. I can look up prices for everything we purchased over the last 17 years. Everything from logistics to services to raw materials to government taxes, health-care, etc... have nearly doubled in 15 years. Those things connected to China/imports have risen less, but everything has increased quite a bit. Doubling over 15 years implies a 5-6% annual rate of inflation - and that's BEFORE covid supply chain issues in 2021. What world do Hunt and DiMartino-Booth live in?
@IT_Farhan
@IT_Farhan 2 жыл бұрын
It’s academic games, deflationists live in their own world. True deflation would happen if the government stopped deficit spending… that won’t happen. DDMB to my knowledge leans inflationist.
@jfuite
@jfuite 2 жыл бұрын
Not to contradict you, but to be fair, they mostly spoke of “disinflation”: suggesting effects of stimulus is short-lived, whereafter growth rates and price increases soon drop back to previous low levels.
@daveforgot127
@daveforgot127 2 жыл бұрын
She flip flops whenever he's around.
@jhernandez1244
@jhernandez1244 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree, and if you disagree base on your own experience examples then you don’t understand macro.
@herrpepling4203
@herrpepling4203 2 жыл бұрын
Your point is to currency issues, we have Stagflation as long as they can keep up the refinancing game... If the REPO goes puff we see real inflation because they will print like "Nivea yoghurt stupid", after that you will see Deflation like "who the duck can survive this shit", then they will come to the rescue with new digital currencies financed by world bank issued to central banks where you get your brand new account .... not that hard...
@rccalhoun
@rccalhoun 2 жыл бұрын
i will be watching this several times. there is so much to ponder.
@ravin6830
@ravin6830 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent talk on the real fundamentals that drive economies. Its easy to pick up small timeframes and complain about spikes in inflation that have happened since this interview, but one should attempt to grasp the depth of the discussion. And kudos to Ms Dimartino Booth for conducting such a substantive discussion vs meaningless soundbytes
@ddespread
@ddespread 2 жыл бұрын
What baffles me is that he mentions under investment in productive enterprise and over investment in financials but still bets on deflation. Who cares what the supply of dollars are if we can’t spend them anyway?
@adventuresonvancouverislan3875
@adventuresonvancouverislan3875 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this thank you 🙏
@andor8635
@andor8635 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview. Danielle did a great job of question and Lacy did a great job of explaining things to people like me understanding what going on. Thank you Both I enjoy the Video, Andor.
@zorzobukumica628
@zorzobukumica628 2 жыл бұрын
unfortunately , because people didn't understanding what is going on 3,5,10 years ago, we passed point of no return. now it is just comfort that you understand....
@fhowland
@fhowland 2 жыл бұрын
This interview is so informative I’m gonna have to listen to it twice. A+ job Danielle!
@toddscallan8781
@toddscallan8781 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great guest and interview. Powerful.
@michaelwaters8408
@michaelwaters8408 2 жыл бұрын
Very thoughtful and informative discussion, thank you
@johnnyglinko
@johnnyglinko 2 жыл бұрын
Mille Grazie!! !!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@George-jm4rn
@George-jm4rn 2 жыл бұрын
This interview was almost nine months old when posted.
@mderekballard7597
@mderekballard7597 2 жыл бұрын
If domestic producers have gained market share then why is the trade deficit so big?
@joefrizzell4432
@joefrizzell4432 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! What a great interview. I'm a little late in listening to this but still very relevant.
@matteotortorici
@matteotortorici 2 жыл бұрын
This man is the only one telling the truth. I am sick of the hyperinflation gold/silver/Bitcoin gang saying the Fed go brrrr. If QE caused inflation we would have been in hyperinflation when Obama was president.
@sbain844
@sbain844 2 жыл бұрын
The excess money printing since 2008 is not "trapped" in financial assets, it has merely been lured there. When the financial assets market goes into decline, we'll see how trapped that money is. Expect massive inflation to follow!
@jfuite
@jfuite 2 жыл бұрын
I have thought similar things in the past. I am surprised that I’ve never seen your idea addressed on macroeconomic channels , either to share and explain the speculation, or to dispel it.
@zorzobukumica628
@zorzobukumica628 2 жыл бұрын
inflation, poverty, crime, unemployment, lay offs, desperation...
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
Disinflation (smaller economy) can exist with higher prices
@tfmxrp8937
@tfmxrp8937 2 жыл бұрын
Great to wake up to this! Much appreciated!
@opnion2294
@opnion2294 2 жыл бұрын
what a intelligent man wowwww
@marxamillion5576
@marxamillion5576 2 жыл бұрын
totally comprehensible on 2x
@paulmclean876
@paulmclean876 2 жыл бұрын
...really enjoyed this interview...how to get funds into the real economy where it can be used productively seems the most pressing issue to overcome along with the FED continuing to meddle when it needs to back off and tighten just when the economy cannot handle it...agree re disinflation once supply chain issues and demand imbalances come off the boil - how sticky energy remains will be interesting...curious to know how much long term damage is done by locking so much borrowed money into illiquid assets like housing with such large exposure durations too - clearly unproductive and no help to rebalancing the ship...
@DavidGutierrez-mt4vj
@DavidGutierrez-mt4vj 2 жыл бұрын
I see why you admire Mr. Hunt .. This guy is "Old Testament" .
@rodneygangloff6685
@rodneygangloff6685 2 жыл бұрын
I see now that I can't start my business in America. With no investors, I must pay for everything. And on poverty income, my cure for cancer and diabetes will never be. . .
@davcochrane
@davcochrane 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!!!
@jeffleader9523
@jeffleader9523 2 жыл бұрын
Assuming that "low cost producers" (China) will bail us out of our inflation ignores the nature of the current inflation. China will *not* be able to help us with energy inflation, and OPEC+ appears unwilling to do so. The combination of energy inflation and labor shortages is driving transportation costs higher, which affects *all* products and many services. Similarly, China will not fix our food inflation. Food and energy inflation, which is often dismissed by economists, is the *most* visible and troublesome inflation to John Q Public. So John will start demanding higher wages (note the increase of strikes), which will in turn affect services inflation, which again China cannot help with.
@dmunjal
@dmunjal 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot rents. Supply chains aren't helping there either.
@jk1821
@jk1821 2 жыл бұрын
Why does the air date say March 29, 2021?
@fandango5900
@fandango5900 2 жыл бұрын
MANY thanks!
@BeatricePonce
@BeatricePonce 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview.
@evokanivo
@evokanivo 2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to look back at this and see just how wrong he was in predicting deflation / "disinflation". Sounds like a smart guy, but was dead wrong.
@michaels4255
@michaels4255 2 жыл бұрын
Look at Japan. We are on the same path, notwithstanding the current blip up.
@Zion_simmons
@Zion_simmons 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaels4255 japan is a twin surplus nation FYI. So its not Apple to Apple comparison. Japan is the world’s top creditor nation plus they have domestic budget surplus. And US is quite the opposite. US can increase the base money supply through QE reserve. But in Japan’s situation is different their QE through gov purchase is mostly domestic and well balanced. Wheres QE in US 30% done through fed purchase while there are foreign countries also buy us treasury to finance our budget decifit. Its easy to analyze economics for US perspective because we have the global reserve. And it is meant to be sustained by both trade and budget deficits.
@joshuavanderplaats
@joshuavanderplaats 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent.
@SpaceTimeTurtle
@SpaceTimeTurtle 2 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic interview; so many thought nuggets. I wonder if it's possible for financial markets in a capitalist system to become "too mature"??? Just a random thought bubble. Thanks DDB.
@deanswartz5812
@deanswartz5812 2 жыл бұрын
To bad you didn't get Mr. Hunt's response to Mr. Werner's concept of different types of debt and the affects on an economy.
@nohopeequalsnofear3242
@nohopeequalsnofear3242 2 жыл бұрын
Video is almost 1 year old....what is lacy hunt thinking today? A lot has changed since march 2021
@richyrich3285
@richyrich3285 2 жыл бұрын
I'm constantly flabbergasted how extremely intelligent people conflate the concepts of inflation (expansion of the money supply) and consumer price increases. Dr. Hunt is not saying consumer prices will be going down. When he says deflation or disinflation he is saying that there will be a lack of economic growth. But governments and central banks will try to counteract that lack of growth with increased monetary and fiscal stimulus and those things will devalue the currency and cause an increase in consumer prices.
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly; supply decreases fast than demand. Prices rise, economy shrinks (but appears to shrink slower). Most importantly , quality of life decreases
@richyrich3285
@richyrich3285 2 жыл бұрын
@@bleacherz7503 The economy could actually look like it's growing (like right now), but that's only in nominal terms. When you account for inflation in the form of fiscal and monetary stimulus, there is no real growth.
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
@@richyrich3285 if you look at the Fred database corporate profits after taxes are up 20% vs precovid?
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
@@richyrich3285 and GDP is also more than 20% vs precovid. Given 8% inflation that still shows growth. It’s borrowed growth , but it’s growth
@richyrich3285
@richyrich3285 2 жыл бұрын
@@bleacherz7503 As I said in my first comment, inflation and consumer price increases are two separate things. Yes, CPI is only at 8% (according to the government), but how much did the money supply increase (actual inflation). It increased by about 25%, which is close to the number you mentioned for corporate profits.
@bbustin1747
@bbustin1747 2 жыл бұрын
Didnt see the trade balance evident that. Imports are at historic highs.
@haroldgrey134
@haroldgrey134 2 жыл бұрын
Lacy is always fantastic - hard data and decades of experience in institution like the Fed, and markets and economy - compared it "sky is falling, inflation is coming!" narrative. Next deflation guest NEEDS to be Jeff Snider!
@BetterBeliefs.com.
@BetterBeliefs.com. 2 жыл бұрын
why else do you think the southern border is open? they need people inflation to prop up real estate and other markets.
@anthothiyahisrael422
@anthothiyahisrael422 2 жыл бұрын
The next key dates are April 15-21 June 11 September 25. Fiat debased and the bible is the word of YAH.
@costaselgreco
@costaselgreco 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Hunt states lower birth rates are a function of debt expansion (logical) for all nations bar the US. Would have welcomed some clarification on why the US is the exception to the rule.
@bjk777
@bjk777 2 жыл бұрын
The elephant in the room is purchasing power erosion - which is a direct result of central bank policy - due to the nature of our fiat currency system. The generational wealth gap is directly proportional to this issue.
@brucekirshner5688
@brucekirshner5688 2 жыл бұрын
brillant
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
These other programs were so much smaller. We are destroying the marginal producer. Less supply means, more scarcity, means higher prices
@relbik66
@relbik66 2 жыл бұрын
This airrd in March 21, but you date it 12/17/21...?
@pulsarlights2825
@pulsarlights2825 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is a teaser, Danielle just recorded a new one with Lacy recently to be released in the next week or two...It's supposed to be 90 minutes with an audience
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
Lacy stated that real corporate profits have not increased since 2017? This does not appear to accurate. The FRED corporate profits are well above earlier levels.
@jasonwarner9595
@jasonwarner9595 2 жыл бұрын
Velocity of money thesis has failed
@jonjackson9866
@jonjackson9866 2 жыл бұрын
Is the spread of COVID really covering for the banking system collapse in certain countries??
@MAchannel2024
@MAchannel2024 2 жыл бұрын
March 29, 2021. That’s ancient in this economy
@buckeye200175
@buckeye200175 2 жыл бұрын
The money went into investment paper not the real goods economy
@dfddg7560
@dfddg7560 2 жыл бұрын
Its almost like rate of profit is declining...
@sjboyer2536
@sjboyer2536 2 жыл бұрын
So, how does the business model be reimagined, and what are the implementations needed to reimagine the business model?
@reinhardrinaldo350
@reinhardrinaldo350 2 жыл бұрын
A simple "I was wrong" could have saved 60 min.
@qake2021
@qake2021 2 жыл бұрын
...🎊👍happy new year👌🎊 🎉👏👏👏👏👏👏👏✌🏻🎉
@qake2021
@qake2021 2 жыл бұрын
😱😱😱😱 Inflationary of expenses (costs) And 🙏🙏🙏🙏 Deflationary of assets.
@matthewpool494
@matthewpool494 2 жыл бұрын
Lacy Hunt or Joseph Wang?
@neilshahndynasty.8882
@neilshahndynasty.8882 2 жыл бұрын
Buy Silver and Platinum .
@inittowinit928
@inittowinit928 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I get the silver bet. Gold / Silver ratio is 1 to 80. I have Platinum as well, just because it is so much more rare than Gold. But I don’t think Platinum will ever be money like Gold and Silver is. Platinum looks just like silver. You can’t tell the difference.
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
PPI is increasing not decreasing ,
@stldweller
@stldweller 2 жыл бұрын
This is the same thing Cathy Woods has been saying.
@btrue2day
@btrue2day 2 жыл бұрын
High cost manufacturing will thrive in the US ??? How wishful Lacy. Spoke like a true politician
@octaviosagustuas2615
@octaviosagustuas2615 2 жыл бұрын
What does Real Vision annoyingly interrupting ad is doing here...?! Raul's inarticulate verbiage is already uninteresting. Why would u place his ad right at smack of the begining...., not to mention at a critical point! After all, u are aware your audiance are more of sound serious type than the goofy lot Raul supposes so...! Raul's annoying intrruption is really a pain in the A...S....
@RageAgainstDEMachine
@RageAgainstDEMachine 2 жыл бұрын
This is old from 3/2021
@professorlayabout4878
@professorlayabout4878 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. It hasn’t aged well, inflation is here.
@leeanderson2912
@leeanderson2912 2 жыл бұрын
So. Investment in the Financial markets rather than in Land, Labor, and Innovation is like a bunch of people having a big Jircle Cirk. A waste of time & money that does No good except for a brief Relief & Extacy for the 1% high Dollar players and not the Real economy.
@mikewilliams4947
@mikewilliams4947 2 жыл бұрын
When does disinflation turn into deflation? Does increasing longevity shift the demographic “cliff” down the road? Anyone think the importation of workers via the southern border will shift American demographics younger?
@Spikefade
@Spikefade 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is a joke , im guessing he regrets this interview . Wrong on everything , makes him an expert.
@dutchgirl7603
@dutchgirl7603 2 жыл бұрын
This is from March 2021, a lot has changed since then.
@sisterbrothers1677
@sisterbrothers1677 2 жыл бұрын
What would the world look like if these people were Yellen and Powell instead?
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
Lacy misses the fact that Americans borrow from their homes to spend
@schecter6l6
@schecter6l6 2 жыл бұрын
Demographics, Money velocity, mobility, production function, labor per capita, natural resource contribution , marginal revenue, 135 demographics, on and on. Danielle would ask Lacy a question and he would explain the equations involved, sometimes with an answer and at times pretty vague??Lacy is clearly a brilliant economist but at the same time he needs to dumb some of this stuff down and try to explain it in a more simpler way than trying to explain the mechanics of it all. He needs to understand this is the general public he's not teaching a class. Be more direct or give us a more direct answer and he wants to add in or explain some of the variables then deviate off into geekdom. Anyway Thanks Danielle/Lacy!
@dwalsh5925
@dwalsh5925 2 жыл бұрын
Are you freaking kidding me! What is Raul Pal doing interrupting a DDMB interview? It sure seems my algos bring me an incestuous narrative…..what a shame. Back to Toyota garage tutorials where I will learn real money saving tips.
@Drizzly_Bear
@Drizzly_Bear 2 жыл бұрын
Raol Pal is the most annoying crypto pumper on the planet. That completely disingenuous “apology” for interrupting that he makes WHILE HE INTERRUPTS is no different than me punching someone in the mouth while I say I’m sorry for punching them. He’s really disgusting.
@Quilustrucu
@Quilustrucu 2 жыл бұрын
Seems to me the present economical model is wrong. A model based on demographics augmenting ad infinitum to sustain a growing economy is unsustainable. We see that already. So busy yourself developping a new model that can show growth in a deminishing population.
@bleacherz7503
@bleacherz7503 2 жыл бұрын
Without a time frame, talking inflation is useless
@bobgio90
@bobgio90 2 жыл бұрын
This is old
@howsyamotha7252
@howsyamotha7252 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t tell if he’s a snake or just plain naive.
@robertchew8167
@robertchew8167 2 жыл бұрын
And this is why Peter Schiff and others like him are so wrong
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