DON'T buy a HUNTER.. Everything you need to know - Ep 109 - Lady K Sailing

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Lady K Sailing

Lady K Sailing

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Hunter sailboats, Hunter Marine, Marlow-Hunter, Why not to buy a Hunter, Hunter review, the History of Hunter
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@robertmazza3640
@robertmazza3640 3 жыл бұрын
I too was somewhat disturbed by the title of this video, but agree that it is a fair analysis of the brand for which I designed (as you were kind enough to mention) for about four years in the mid-90s. However, a couple of corrections. The driving force behind Hunter was the late Warren Luhrs whose best friend was Lars Bergstrom (also now deceased). Warren and Lars sailed many miles together offshore in a boat called Thursday's Child, and then in another called Hunter's Child in which Steve Pettingill was also involved. (The "HC"in HC 50, stands for Hunter's Child, and is in fact a production version of that boat with more cruising amenities). It was this close relationship between Warren and Lars that led to Warren's whole hearted adoption of the B&R (Bergstom & Ridder) rig in Hunters. Lars, by the way also invented and marketed the Windex wind indicator that every boat now has at their masthead. Warren knew that he was building Chevrolets not Cadillacs, but that was his brand concept. He, like many other builders, also knew that he could not compete in the market with the many used boats available, so had to offer something different that would appeal to people new to sailing as well as to the existing market. The fact that Hunter, along with Catalina and Beneteau, were the last higher volume production builders left in North America speaks well to his marketing concept. I didn't always agree with Warren's concepts, especially in his total commitment to the B&R rig, but it was his company and I have to say he didn't make many mistakes. However, your title was still a little deceiving. ;-)
@roadboat9216
@roadboat9216 3 жыл бұрын
So right you are Robert. I met Warren a few times at different events. Listened to him speak at a couple. Very impressive guy. Thanks for the extra info.
@AMERICANPATRIOT1945
@AMERICANPATRIOT1945 3 жыл бұрын
Robert Mazza, You did some excellent work at Hunter. Your statements about Hunter's very successful line of boats dating back to the seventies up to today are bang on. Hunter never had any illusions about competing with Swan, Baltic, Hinckley, or even somewhat upscale manufacturers such as S2, CSY, Valiant, C&C, Tartan, and others. Many of these brands built for genuine blue water capability, safety, and seaworthiness, but that is not what most people want in a boat. The typical boater, even one who buys a large boat, never goes more than a few miles offshore, and most never leave sight of land. The owners of Hunter knew this and targeted the largest percentage of the market effectively. Hunter very rightly targeted the market for sailors who wanted to do mostly coastal family cruising, day sailing, club events such as raft-ups and club races, all in fair weather. Hunter targeted the market of sailors who want a low priced large boat that pleases their family and who have control over what weather the boat is likely to encounter due to the daysailing and coastal cruising emphasis. This market turned out to be the vast majority of general public sailors. There are far more people who can afford to pay two hundred thousand for a forty or so foot Hunter than a million or more for a Hinckley of the same length. As an added bonus, the Hunter has an interior which is better suited for the typical general public sailor. The fact that Hunter is still in business after the market crash of 2008 is testament to the marketing genius and commitment to building a reasonably well made, safe, roomy boat for a decent price. Most other manufacturers who built for this market are out of business, and not for lack of quality, or they are catering to the rich.
@stephenbuckle6180
@stephenbuckle6180 3 жыл бұрын
"don't buy" as a come-on-in strapline is a bit naff and overused, time it was dumped by bloggers and vloggers. But very happy with this gentleman's reviews, and now trawling the internet for Hunters since I'm in the market. Sad that some people and journalists just have to have a kicking stool, Hunters might bounce back as a 'must have' one day🙃.
@shaunosby5093
@shaunosby5093 3 жыл бұрын
@@mboyer68 Good question I would be very interested to know myself.
@erickamekonapeper4007
@erickamekonapeper4007 2 жыл бұрын
God Bless you for your contribution to the Sailing ⛵️ World and helping us smaller budget Families have a wonderful Vessel that’s forgiving and easy to Sail well even with low experience. I appreciate it even though I’m very experienced I now find value in an excellent design over sparkly nifty luxury items 😏❤️🖖🏼 Fair Winds Good Sir! 💨
@sailingperseverance2356
@sailingperseverance2356 3 жыл бұрын
I own a Hunter 49. Offshore cruiser, great boat. I’ve been in storms offshore with this boat and have never had any issues.
@robdaziel9750
@robdaziel9750 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned many sailboats over my 35 years of old adult sailing and now own a 2007 Hunter 49. Very pleased with the build quality, live aboard space, systems, and handling.
@roadboat9216
@roadboat9216 3 жыл бұрын
As a US Sailing instructor teaching for the school that certified more ocean sailors than any other (especially on the west coast). We had a fleet of Hunters ,Jenneaus, and Beneteau boats. Up to a 50 boat fleet. Almost all Cruising boats 30-50’. We did a lot of offshore sailing out the Golden Gate. This was often very challenging conditions. I remember bashing up the N. Cal coast into big steep waves trying to get to where I could tuck. We dropped off a big wave with a hole behind it so hard that we flung the radar off of the mast. Ripped it right off! No damage to anything else. In big following seas they seemed to have more control than the afore mentioned boats too. So no, Hunter is not the ideal boat but they absolutely do not deserve the reputation that they have. And while not crazy about the B &R rig, I did love the arch. Now many boats copied this as the did the “margarita seats astern”. Hunter was not afraid to try new things. We had very little problems with the B &R rigs but we also had very experienced riggers to set them up properly. Also don’t forget Mike Harker single handing a Hunter 446 around the world twice! And he had significant physical handicaps.
@debbyhight8573
@debbyhight8573 Жыл бұрын
Fred, what size hunter did you take out the gate. Would you take a 36 out?
@roadboat9216
@roadboat9216 Жыл бұрын
@@debbyhight8573 Yes. That was our size range for going out with classes. Typically 36-38. And of course up into the forty plus length, but mostly 36-38. Additionally we had these boats insured for ocean a properly equipped. With all safety gear and beyond. But yes, Hunter 36 just fine properly maintained and equipped. A key factor is being equipped safely. If going more that just poking your nose out the Gate, epirb, mob strobe, life raft, good ground tackle and of course all the coat guard requirements, spare parts, tools vhf, proper navigational tools and know how to use them etc. N. Cal can have some challenging conditions and that includes cold water that you wouldn’t want to be in very long. So at least something that can get you out of the water and an EPIRB. I carry an EPIRB everywhere I sail. Even bay. But yes, have spent a lot of time and miles off shore N CA. In a hunter 36.
@marshallbrowne5371
@marshallbrowne5371 3 жыл бұрын
Had a 1989 Hunter legend 40 that I really loved for 6 years. Aft cabin under the cockpit was excellent and 360 deg access to the engine compartment. Plenty of storage and reasonable speed. I checked all the hull tabbing and chainplates all were intact and done properly. The almost flush deck was a nice feature too. It is great for what it was designed for. My 2 cents. YMMV.
@chrisd1521
@chrisd1521 3 жыл бұрын
My family has owned a 2001 Hunter 410 for 10 years (we are the second owner) - we have sailed all over New England with our 3 children and our dog - we have sometimes lived on the boat for weeks and weeks during the summer going from anchorage to anchorage - never once have we regretted it or have we complained about how it sails - we have taken it into high winds with 12 foot seas (not by choice) and it has performed just fine. Everything is accessible and designed to be easily maintained compared to higher end vessels. We look at boats all the time, but we can never justify the higher prices, the lack of room/accommodations, and the difficult to access systems on other sailboats. It is interesting to also see the comments about Bavaria yachts - I sailed a Bavaria 50 for a week - we were 246 miles north of the Arctic Circle and went through a gale force storm with waves at 6 meters (18 ft) once again it did just fine.....trust me I would love to buy a Halberg-Rassy, Little Harbor, or the like - but for a Family of 5 and a dog who wants to sail, be comfortable, and not break the bank (money or time) fixing things - Hunters are great boats!
@jackdamico7511
@jackdamico7511 3 жыл бұрын
I concur, my wife and I are in our fifty’s and sixty’s. We sail our Hunter 41 along the coasts of New England and most of Long Island. The boat is easy for two to handle. It’s never let us down even some crazy pop up squalls that seem to have become violent. I’ve been sailing since 1982 on all kinds of boats and I don’t know what the dig about Hunter is all about.
@denisstanley7449
@denisstanley7449 3 жыл бұрын
I have a friend I have known and sailed on his 30 year old hunter for last 15 years. Its a 42 ft Hunter normally resident in the Yacht Club pen in Subic Bay next to My 44 ft Beneteau. His hunter has sailed all over Asia and to Australia from Philippines and is currently sailing around Borneo. For a 30 year old boat its still in extremely good condition with no deterioration in the exterior gel coat or fiberglass and no delaminations or cracks down below. I been sailing for 40 years and his hunter is a great sea boat and great interior lay out and has load of little extras that that are part of the boat. Its sturdy and has little flex in rough weather, I spent 3 days on her in Puerto Galera a few year ago in a typhoon on a mooring. we were swinging side to side in the wind about 160 deg. No I did not have a car tyre on board to throw in the water to slow the swing. The most frightening thing was the constant howl of the wind. Hardly stopped. The were no creaks of groans or strange noises that make you wonder if something is wrong. yes there was the occasional slap of ropes and halyards and deck fittings but most boats creak and groan in rough water. The Hunter did not and still does not. Its to my mind a very well designed and very well built boat probably more so then many newer designs that go more for looks and creature comforts than sea kindly features and peace of mind that something in not going to break.
@ylemoine1
@ylemoine1 3 жыл бұрын
Great objective summary. I have a 2015 MH37, as you showed in your video, and love it. No quality issues at all. It is a coastal cruiser, as you’ve described all production boats, with tons of space. I find I can out perform most other cruisers of my size and slightly larger, but my sails are new in comparison and I’m a previous racer that knows how to trim a boat for speed. My only complaints are the chain locker which is undersized and minor gelcoat cracking that all newer production boats seem to suffer from. On the B&R rig, I love it in combination with the mainsheet arch. Opens up the cockpit and makes trimming the boom supper easy. My main is huge in comparison to other boats and although the sweptback spreaders limit the ability to let the main out, the extra main sail area more than compensates and propels the boat downwind admirably. Adding a genaker or code zero and a whisker pole solves downwind performance. Yes, the added cross stays add complexity to the rig, but once you learn how to tension the rig, you can get a much better static and absolutely rigid shape from the rig than you will ever get from a rig with a backstay. I have in-mast furling so knowing the rig will furl regardless of wind speed is priceless. When I see in-mast fullers that have jammed the rigs almost always have too much rake in them. And, if you want to add rake while sailing you can always add running back stays to better work the main. But then why did you buy in-mast furling? All my two cents worth. I know my boat could cross an ocean, and know a few hunters that have. I’m not likely to do it, but that’s not how I use the boat. Perfect coastal cruiser for my needs.
@jennifercheney5229
@jennifercheney5229 3 жыл бұрын
My 1991 Hunter 30 has been a real joy. It has lived through many a storm here in Florida. It is easy to singlehanded, has a split backstay, spacious interior with much, much more storage and well thought out than similar Catalinas and Beneteaus. I am always amazed at how much more my 30 can store in her transom lockers , cockpit and interior compartments. Not silly open shelving that looks fine as long as you don't use it. Real cabinets with doors. I have had the boat 11 years and am only having to look for a new one now that an improperly moored boat broke free and hit mine during a tropical storm, while mine stayed firm on her mooring.
@crustycobs2669
@crustycobs2669 3 жыл бұрын
Very articulate and sentimental look at boat designs. You're right about purpose-built vs. local cruiser capabilities. Hunters do have great interior design and other points, great for Bay-sailors.
@justinsteele5822
@justinsteele5822 3 жыл бұрын
We own a 2004 H41 for med cruising and we absolutely love it with it’s aforementioned volume and no back stay. It’s got the space of a 50 ⛵️👍
@Ed-BrokeExpat
@Ed-BrokeExpat 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your info and honest thoughts & reviews... Today I was accepted on my offer for a 1986 Hunter 34 in pristine condition. Immaculate inside & out. I'm blown away by how "new" she really is. She'll be my first boat and I am looking forward to the new adventure.. Love your vids, keep up the good work. I'll drop you a thank you via Paypal when I get home for your content & info.. Thanks again. P.S. - I was accepted at 26k in this market..
@worldfesthouston1455
@worldfesthouston1455 Жыл бұрын
We have enjoyed our Hunter 54 since 1984... she was still 'new' then as she had not been sold or titled. This is a superb ocean going sloop. We have had her in offshore storms over 60 knots, never a worry. She sleeps 6 very comfortably. Our "Valkyrie" looks and sails like new. Her hull is superb, light but strong. Lots of room in the cabin, 2 good heads. We added 100 gallon holding tanks for the heads, with power pumps for offshore. She has two big spinnakers, new main and 120 jib. Our daughter grew up on her, learned to walk on her. We will keep her until we go to the great sloop in the sky! (;-) The Kaboda (Universal Atomic - love the name!) has run smoothly since we got her, never a worry! We sail Galveston Bay almost every weekend, and do a few longer cruises each year. They are great values for such a big boat! Big and Safe!
@gerrycooper56
@gerrycooper56 3 жыл бұрын
We owned a 1991 Hunter 433 (ex charter) which we lived aboard for 5 years. Our plan was to sail from Florida to Australia and when friends and dock mates heard this commented that Hunters weren’t ‘blue water’ boats. Well, we spent 12 months sailing to Australia and didn’t break anything. This doesn’t mean all Hunters are blue water boats, just that if you’re careful ( as you should be) then most trips are possible.
@paulharris8282
@paulharris8282 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your video I have a 1982 Hunter 37 Cherubini and love it
@simplistiksoftware
@simplistiksoftware 3 жыл бұрын
I fly a Bene now but I've had and love the Hunters. Had an 88' 30-2 named her Exodus. B&R rig, raked mast but she was one with the backstay. Bacon sails in Annapolis had to come out and take 3D measurements of the rig as they never get calls to make sails on a bent mast setup. 30' with a 56' mast. Odd right. Huge inside and over 7kts speed in 15kt winds. Never lost a race. Btw, when you guys were anchored that year you were just off our shore dock... We passed you a few times. I showed my wife your videos while we were out daysailimg. The 50C is a rare bird!!! Very rare. Luhrs was a PA resident where i live. When his estate went up for sale we took a lot of his books out prior to sale. But Marlow Hunter didn't want them. Has his notes and hand written ideas in them. I'm holding onto them till they mean what i think they are worth to them, then they can have them.
@glennmulhare9124
@glennmulhare9124 3 жыл бұрын
I've had 3 Hunters a 28.5 a Legend 35 and now a Legend 40.5. Hunter built great boats and it was sad to see them go bankrupt as they were a great company under Warren. They were way ahead of the production industry with all the innovations. I remember the industry laughing at the arch designs, now it's almost standard on beneteaus. Hunter has a huge following of loyal sailors and I still find myself looking for my next. Thinking 456 passage for that huge aft cabin..
@peterstevens1344
@peterstevens1344 3 жыл бұрын
We had a hunter 36 for over 10 years and still think it is one of the best boats for the great lakes. It sails much better and faster than non hunter owners typically think. Lot’s of space and never had any significant issues with the build quality. Directly downwind wasn’t great, but altering course slightly off true downwind always worked. It could point very high into the wind with speed.
@billdonaldson2303
@billdonaldson2303 3 жыл бұрын
We have a 450 passage CC our first yacht. I found this to be a great boat. I have a larger head sail and this boat travels downwind a a decent speed. She is a very forgiving boat and since we bought it, it’s amazing how many comments we get on how it looks beautiful. Being new sailors, I don’t regret buying a hunter for a moment. My only complaints so far is the high freeboard. Having strong wind broadside with no sail out, it does heel more than I,d like and because she is deemed to be at a dock most of the time, it has a 110v refrigerator which, I hope to change to 12volt in the near future so we can keep everything cold while out for prolonged periods. Lots of water and fuel storage, a huge master cabin with a tub and shower and tons of living space is a bonus because, this is our planned live aboard retirement home in a year or 2. We looked at other production boats and for sure, bang for the buck. We love our Hunter. 👍
@richardmilliman9231
@richardmilliman9231 3 жыл бұрын
I too was curious about the video. I currently own a 1989 Hunter 28. I have no complaints. I have sailed it in heavy weather and light. from 25 knot winds to zero wind. motored it 80 miles. My only advice, if you don't like it, sell it, buy something you do, and sail on. Fair Winds and Following Seas, Richard.
@jeremyduncan3654
@jeremyduncan3654 3 жыл бұрын
91-92 Hunter Passage 42 has everything one needs, beautiful interior and blue water capable. Almost had one too.
@davidalbright7335
@davidalbright7335 3 жыл бұрын
My wife and I are full-time cruisers on our '89 Legend 40. B&R rig with split backstays. She sails like a dream and is a very balanced boat. There is a tendency to porpoise a bit, sailing to wind, but she does it quite well. With the proper trim, we have pointed as high as 27 degrees, with new sails. Our first priority, in the selection of a boat was liveability. 3+ years later, we are happy with our choice. Extensive offshore sailing on this boat and no complaints about the interior layout not being conducive to a big seaway. She sails fast and steady and is as solid. I have many complaints about things like electrical and plumbing that are common to all production boats but seaworthiness and safety are not on that list. There is something special about the Legend series boats. You would do well to consider the boats from that series and around that era. No, we don't have the joinery of a Swan but we have more room in the salon on our 40' than on a 65' Swan!
@jacobsmithjr
@jacobsmithjr 3 жыл бұрын
I know NOTHING about sail boats but I found your video very interesting and informative. Well done sir!
@6r4metroman
@6r4metroman 4 ай бұрын
My 375 (1994) has a backstay and I love it. Loads of room inside, it sails very well, out classes a lot of other boats I've sailed with...
@clifflong1203
@clifflong1203 3 жыл бұрын
My 85 Hunter 40 has everything we want.., including a back stay😎
@brianmacadam4793
@brianmacadam4793 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're talking about the newer version, my brothers 33 is "bullet proof" has a proper backstay, a HUGE cabin and sails like a witch, particularly off the wind.
@trevorlahey1956
@trevorlahey1956 3 жыл бұрын
Mine will go damn near up wind
@charlespeckcom
@charlespeckcom 3 жыл бұрын
I love my 1983 hunter 31. Live aboard with very many upgrades. I am 73 with 40 years of sailing and 30 years of living aboard with seafarer and Pearson vanguard as the longest time spent aboard.
@randsnyder
@randsnyder 3 жыл бұрын
You really ‘got me going’ with the title of this vid. I bought a Hunter Legend 375 (1993) three years ago in spite of all the negativity. It is a great boat. Sails well, great accommodation, the teak interior is gorgeous, reliable Yanmar power. Good job on the video. Keep up the good work.
@andrewnims8175
@andrewnims8175 3 жыл бұрын
I like my Hunter 356. I have noticed that many of the worst Hunter bashers don't even own a boat.
@DaddysWreck
@DaddysWreck 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree ... I have a 78 hunter 30. The build is definitely more soild than a newer hunter. It's a great coastal cruiser.
@SailingChannels
@SailingChannels 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your points about the HC50 (beautiful design) and I also agree with that comment the owner made. It looked tiny inside - cavernous actually! Hull speed is 16.65 km/h btw. Great video!
@timhardman4764
@timhardman4764 3 жыл бұрын
Hull speed 9 knots. I was shocked when I saw a hull speed of 16.65. I did not notice it was Km/h as typically stated.
@bulaquenaicreatingmemories
@bulaquenaicreatingmemories 3 жыл бұрын
We just bought Hunter 320, we love everything about it....
@vetercrew85
@vetercrew85 3 жыл бұрын
We went for a 2004 Hunter 306 last year, something we never thought we'd buy. We were sold on the headroom down below (we're all over 6' tall) and the space in the cockpit for our whole family. To our surprise, she's fast, too! The one thing I don't like is that she only has 2 winches. I'd prefer 4.
@drwindsurf
@drwindsurf 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great video. I have been interested in the HC50 since they announced it...It is built off of Warren Luhrs single handed racing boat.
@budlake9361
@budlake9361 2 жыл бұрын
I just subscribed today. I was one of the ones that out on the water for the first time in a sailboat . I seen that all that had in it . I had a Blast on the water . One can live in a sailboat and go all over and have a wonderful time in one .I was looking at. A 27f put I seen what a 30f is like the Hunters is super nice.
@markevans1838
@markevans1838 2 жыл бұрын
I specifically searched for the down side of hunter I have been looking at several sailboat designs and finally ran across the hunter and yes the roomy and aft cabin won me hands down so before I dumped money in any boat I try and find out any structural problems and seeing your channel I had to view so thank you for you honest assessment with no drama I'm still stuck on hunter. I have been thinking that you had to have 50 ft or more to have room until I ran across the hunter wow 37 is more that enough and going fast really dissent appeal to me as of now but in time I'm sure I'll second guess that but for now as long as I'm just going to new destinations and cultures and getting to experience them I'm content again thank you for your vid
@pepperjake44
@pepperjake44 3 жыл бұрын
Keep these boat reviews coming. Nice that you are unbiased, but when you have personal experience with a boat, you acknowledge it. Waiting to hear what you have to say about C&C and O’day. Two boats I’ve had experience with.
@tugsoutdoorprod
@tugsoutdoorprod 3 жыл бұрын
He is biased.
@sgp9700
@sgp9700 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the historical rundown of Hunter boats, nicely done. I'm a first time stick boat owner, and opted for a 1985 28.5, which I picked up for dirt cheap, and am really liking the boat. The engine was rebuilt just before I picked it up, (YES, the previous owner did it right, and it runs), the hull is solid, no soft spots, as is the top deck. I picked it up just north of Annapolis, MD, and sailed it down to it's current location in Southern MD, about 130 NMs. I took 3 days to get acquainted with It's set up for single pilot running, and since I hadn't been on a boat for almost 25 years, the shake down cruise was more for me than for the boat. Am in the process of new bottom paint, attempting to 'restore' the above water gel coat.... will see how it goes. Any tips you might have as in upgrades, (I plan on throwing on an auto pilot in the future, and have a transom arch to install), I would be more than appreciative on your opinion. Again, thanks for the video, and wish you the best on future endeavors. -Scott
@andybones1847
@andybones1847 3 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a solid used sail boat for two years now and after stepping on several boat manufacturers I narrowed my search down to Hunter, so the title of this video got my attention. All I can say is you sneaky little devil, you got me. I basically came to the same conclusions and I've been impressed by the brand. Jealousy is so unbecoming.
@clsherian
@clsherian 2 жыл бұрын
I Love the shallow draft and aft master cabin in the Deck Salon series.
@vidadepuerto
@vidadepuerto 11 ай бұрын
Its amazing how you improve your videos nowadays, congrats!!
@1462hobie
@1462hobie 4 ай бұрын
Fair analysis. I had an '86 Legend 37 in Florida, and I agree with what you said: it was perfect for coastal cruising, the Gulf, and racing PHRF in Pensacola Bay. It sailed like a witch, but had all the creature comforts for a nice weekend on the hook or a night at the dock, which was an important selling feature for the wife. Furthermore, I'm 6'3'' and had standing headroom everywhere in the salon. I'm also not sure of any other 37-footers that have a centerline berth in the aft stateroom. The boat had its issues, but what 35 year old boat doesn't? Cheers!
@kevio6868
@kevio6868 3 жыл бұрын
Great info for someone in the market bro, tnx for the review!
@MrSeamaster1998
@MrSeamaster1998 3 жыл бұрын
I went from west to east twice, first in 1998 Hunter 450 cc and second in 2003 hunter 456 cc and both had no problem and I still use what I bought in 2003
@alexlipzer4952
@alexlipzer4952 3 жыл бұрын
you are so right about the Hunter HC50... im the proud owner of the #001 Hull ... went to see this boat at the Miami Boat Show with two friends and 13 years later I ended up with the boat.Steve Pettengil and Warren Luhrs were responsible of the design of this boat. Any place we go, everybody ask about our rigging,water ballast, etc... very fast boat. Other than the new racing boats on foils... no other boat get my attention ....
@pierremitham2964
@pierremitham2964 3 жыл бұрын
The "production" hunters also have externally turned hull deck flanges which is consisdered one of the weakest joints ( but easiest for production assembly) also every "shoal draft" hunter i have seen of this era tends to have rudders deeper than their shoal drat keels ( you cal usually tell if they've been aground but teh lack of antifouling on the bottom 6-8 inches of the rudder). that's really bad! though I do like the cockpit and interior layouts too! Hunter vision is a very interesting boat too!
@DavidMosby
@DavidMosby 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I love my Hunter 260.
@islandhoppers7351
@islandhoppers7351 3 жыл бұрын
Liking the last 2 videos about different boat makers. I’d like to see one about Tartan!
@roadboat9216
@roadboat9216 3 жыл бұрын
My last boat was a Tartan 37 CB. Loved it. A really sweet S & S design. One of the most well behaved easily sailed boats that I have ever sailed. And as a charter Captain and Instructor I have sailed many! It balanced well, sailed well in both heavy and light airs. And I rarely needed to put the board down. About the only time that you would need to put it down is clawing off a lee shore or racing upwind. It was a 1983 and I sold her last year.
@lesrosester
@lesrosester 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis……. as I Hunter 375 I concur with all observations and opinions. Very balanced.
@barrywiles9831
@barrywiles9831 3 жыл бұрын
been a member of a legend 29 built by luhrs in England 2001. great boat .bilge keel been in a force 10 .ish no worries. excellent comfortable accommodation
@matthewmanges7773
@matthewmanges7773 3 жыл бұрын
I find it funny how well Catalina is regarded yet just about every 1970s to 1988 27 to 30 (10,000s) boats will need a new compression post, keel-sub and have keel bolt issues as well. The compression post you have rip out the floor and bulkheads. Hunter Cherubini and others you just replace a metal T for a compression post that is easy to get to and etc. The Hunter's are not having the major structural issues that the Catalina's in large numbers. Granted they fixed the issues in 1988 but 10,000 boats is still a lot with these major problems. Not to mention the B&R rig with internal structure is much stronger than stays connected to bulkheads...
@mytime1613
@mytime1613 3 жыл бұрын
I owned a 1975 Hunter Cherubini 27. I was a very good boat. All the boats the John Cherubini was involved with were good until 1981.
@robertbrown374
@robertbrown374 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1988 Hunter Ledgend 35.5 and I love it. No issues.
@workski2
@workski2 3 жыл бұрын
I own a Hunter Passage 450, one of the larger boats. It is a small 2 bedroom apartment on the water. But....I have taken it on the water a lot, and each time I take her out it is a blast. I am not the original owner. Upgrades that came with the boat has made it very capable. My only wish for my Hunter is that I am not yet retired and able to spend more time on her and more time on the water. I intend to keep my Passage 450 until my bitter end.
@parrishfloyd5684
@parrishfloyd5684 3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid brother. We just purchased a Hunter 33 1982 Cherubini, fixer-upper which needs some work but is in good shape. This title did grab me too. I was like, WAIT! WHAT!? lol thanks for you knowledge. When I watch videos like this, I realize I know WAY less than I need to know. haha Cheers brother.
@svfreewill2714
@svfreewill2714 3 жыл бұрын
We went from a full keel cutter rigged Bayfield to a B&R rigged Hunter 410 and couldn't be happier. Our boat has the go fast options of a deep draft keel (6'6") made of lead not cast iron, and a slab reefed mainsail. We further improved the sailing performance when getting new sails by going with a square topped main (something you can do when there isn't a backstay) with full battens, and vertical battens in the 110 headsail. We can sail wing on wing but lose a bit of VMG over sailing at a deep broad reach. I prefer deep broad reaching as there are less accident gybe risks and less rolling. However there are times when sailing between two islands in a narrow area where we need to sail wing on wing and do just fine. The boat sails very well, is close winded for a comfortable boat, and is extremely easy to maneuver in close quarters. The only real negatives are the high side decks which can make stepping off a challenge, and I would have preferred a little more locker space in the cockpit. Otherwise I far prefer the boat to the Bene 423, and Bavaria 42 from the same era. We carry 600 litres of water and 180 litres of diesel., and have 750 a/hrs of house bank. They are not just great boats for the dollar, they are great boats period. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcV8ppWlxtq4YmQ.html
@wckoek
@wckoek 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see someone who owns a 410 with actual experience with other boats. Do you feel that the 410 tend to hobby horse a little? I have read reviews that mentioned they tended so at certain angles of wind. I have been eyeing one for sale at a good price.
@FlesHBoX
@FlesHBoX 3 жыл бұрын
I think Garcia does the same thing with the anchor chain. Super cool way to deal with that weight that is normally in the last place you want it.
@sailingin-tuitionwithchuck
@sailingin-tuitionwithchuck 3 жыл бұрын
thx for the mostly fair review. I have a 2002 h356 shoal draft. i saw one comment that the rudders on boats like mine are deeper than the keel; mine is not. I rarely need or want to sail directly down wind. if I did, a boom preventer and gennaker would address that. it has a great cabin. nice v berth and and full size queen in the aft cabin. I think the build quality is atleast as good as catalina, benetea, etc of the same Era and size; maybe better is some cases. check sailboat data, most of the numbers are better for it than the closest catalina, a cat 350. I have the b&r rig with selden in-mast furling. the more I sail it the more I like it. one advantage to the big main and smaller jib is that I can furl in the main as wind picks up and leave the jib fully deployed. furling the main doesn't have much (if any) impact on the shape of the main. and my jib is still going strong. I am very happy with my H356. let me know if I should delete the link below: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obJ9iqZ-pr3Tmqs.html
@1markvchs
@1markvchs 3 жыл бұрын
LOVE our Hunter380! Sails great with tons of room below and in the cockpit! Our liveaboard😎😁
@krystalsmith137
@krystalsmith137 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever done any open ocean passages on it? I keep being drawn to the Hunters as a live aboard, but keep hearing so many different opinions 😔
@nelson6236
@nelson6236 3 жыл бұрын
Lived aboard my Hunter 375 for 6 years...loved it.
@jacobrothschild42936
@jacobrothschild42936 2 жыл бұрын
We bought a hunter 40 legend last year and this is our first boat being new to sailing. We've taken it out in up to 25 knot winds so far and as we get used to it we see that boat continues to be ok. The boat has been around our marina well before we owned it and everyone there that had been on our boat says if they had to get stuck on lake michigan in bad weather, they'd rather be on our boat than theirs. Comforting to here as a newbie.
@robertklement5811
@robertklement5811 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had a Hunter legend 37 1988. for almost 30 years and it still a great boat .
@joeystiles6764
@joeystiles6764 3 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of confusion on these models. There is the 37, 37.5, and the 375. The 37 legend is the older model with back stay and centerline rear . no sugar scoop. The 37.5 legend is a newer model with back stay and sugar scoop like from 1990-1996. The 375 is the newest Model with no back stay. From 1996 to ? The 1990-1996 legend 37.5 is an awesome boat that is more than capable. Same goes for the 40 and 40.5 legends just more expensive. If you checked out one of the mid 90’s legend in person it should be high on the list compared to other production models.
@jeffcee9457
@jeffcee9457 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed thanks for sharing
@swamperdog4558
@swamperdog4558 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! I'm considering buying a trailerable hunter 23 for cruising along the Gulf Coast of Florida. I was concerned with all the bashing but your video helped with debunking some of the haters!
@jimmiller5600
@jimmiller5600 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reminding viewers, especially newbies, that different tools (boats) work best for different jobs (sailing objectives).
@davidfrost1428
@davidfrost1428 3 жыл бұрын
Great as always.
@toytrain2355
@toytrain2355 3 жыл бұрын
I was never with the big boys but enjoyed inland lake sailing on a 1979, US Yacht 25 for 15 years.
@NeverBeenThereBefore
@NeverBeenThereBefore 3 жыл бұрын
I love mine.. the lack of a back stay makes the back area completely free to walk around in without whacking your head. The livabiltity is just excellent. I do agree that it affects it's downwind performance, but i have to say I'm not racing, so having the sail up against the shrouds doesn't bother me so much. To your point, this is a cruiser boat and I think it does that very well. I've seen people cross the Atlantic in 50 year old 24 foot tub, i would feel reasonably comfortable making the passage in mine (450 Passage).
@SV-DEDICATED
@SV-DEDICATED 3 жыл бұрын
I was looking at some fairly high-end boats. Hunters weren't even on my list as an option. My broker talked me into looking at a Hunter. I immediately realized the bang for buck factor. My Hunter 41 Deck Salon interior has more solid wood than Beneteau or Jeanneau.
@gdadamos2302
@gdadamos2302 3 жыл бұрын
1982 Hunter Cherubini 27 Tall Mast here, 2nd owner, total restore big time repairs $$$$,,2 year project,,, gunwale shrouds are a set back for footing the jib at close haul, but other than that she sailed very good, for the little time I had to sail,,
@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk
@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk 5 ай бұрын
I used to own a 1979 Hunter 30’ with teak trim (not deck). It was a great boat, 6’ keel and heavy. So much space. Loved the boat. Now I own a 1963 Seawind 30. 4.5’ keel and so small on the inside. Probably a better cruiser though.
@19stacymoore
@19stacymoore Жыл бұрын
i feel the same way about beneteau first 435. spectacularly beautiful boat. very underrated.
@TheWumps
@TheWumps 3 жыл бұрын
Love the new theme. I’ve been telling some of my sailing channel friends for awhile that somebody ought to do a Doug Demuro style “quirks and features” series for sailboats. Well done.
@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958
@ninehundreddollarluxuryyac5958 3 жыл бұрын
You're right about that HC-50 being one sweet boat!
@CHRIS198490
@CHRIS198490 3 жыл бұрын
small inside big outside
@Jake2670
@Jake2670 3 жыл бұрын
cool, thanks for sharing. I'm looking at a 280, inland n coastal for now. I like the layout n scoop :-) will look at the rig now though lol
@ylemoine1
@ylemoine1 3 жыл бұрын
Love these summaries from you. Well done. Can you add a little about what Marlow is doing with the brand? They no longer seem to have a dealer network and haven’t been to a boat show in four years. Google maps street view of the Florida factory show dinghy sailboats in the parking lot for sail and the rest of the yard seems shut down with a few moulds and boat stands stacked up. Maybe they’ve moved production? Are they selling direct to owner now?
@erickamekonapeper4007
@erickamekonapeper4007 2 жыл бұрын
In Washington State it helps a lot to have an adjustable Backstay for light wind 🌬 which is our primary conditions here. We really have to watch the Tides and Current here and use proper Seamanship. 😏❤️🖖🏼⛵️🇺🇸
@TraneFrancks
@TraneFrancks 3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting to hear that you feel the HC50 is intended as a bluewater boat. Its Comfort Ratio is only 18.06, which puts it more in a racer/coastal cruiser realm. I would have to imagine that it's an extremely uncomfortable boat in heavy seas as I would expect its motion to be to be quite fast in unsettled waters.
@corradoarmagni8977
@corradoarmagni8977 Жыл бұрын
Ho avuto un hanter 29.5 e sono stato contentissimo....greetings from Italy
@DesoStanchev
@DesoStanchev 3 жыл бұрын
We juste get a Hunter Legend 37! Really happy with!
@Abc-kf4qx
@Abc-kf4qx 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been sailing my hunter for years. Great lay out, huge cockpit, easy to sail, and all for a reasonable price. As to the quality, mine has been solid and is holding up well. I’d recommend one if I were asked. At the end of the day she’s your boat and you’re the one who’s gotta be happy. Fair winds
@foreverendeavors6210
@foreverendeavors6210 2 жыл бұрын
I worked at hunter for 10 years, last few years 03/04 doing engine stage on the 44, I always felt like they were a solid build seeing everything from the inside, I am really just now being drawn tawrds sailing and could see buying one should the right deal come along..
@jimgoodwin9904
@jimgoodwin9904 3 жыл бұрын
After owning a Hunter Vision 32, (which has a VERY strange rig) I wanted a larger liveaboard. After looking at a lot of boats, I ended up finding and purchasing a Hunter 466 this spring. It has been amazing! She is roomy and beautiful, an absolute dream to sail, and I couldn't be happier!
@jeremyduncan3654
@jeremyduncan3654 3 жыл бұрын
After looking at boats when I was younger I settled on a Hunter 42 Passage. Almost mine but a bike accident took that away.
@stevenf927
@stevenf927 3 жыл бұрын
A couple of things: Not having a backstay means that you can have a large roached mainsail - but with in mast furling you can't have any roach. Even if you use vertical battens with in mast furling you can't have significant roach to the sail. An adjustable backstay and a fractional rig gives you the ability to depower the main and tighten the forestay - the net effect is reduced heeling and improved performance. When Hunter went under, it was actually the parent company that went under - Hunter was still profitable. The Hunter Legend series isn't exceptionally fast. A similar length Beneteau First or J Boat would smoke it. Badly. And it isn't my opinion - just look at the PHRF handicap values. On the other hand, the Legend series are nice boats and can be a very good value. Correct me if I'm wrong, but currently Marlow-Hunter isn't producing boats anywhere near the level of their traditional competitors (Beneteau, Catalina, etc). I haven't seen them at the Annapolis Boatshow in years, or seen ads for them in sailing publications.
@GulfCoastTim
@GulfCoastTim 3 жыл бұрын
I love my Hunter 33. There's a reason Hunter and Catalina are still around all these years. Great boats.
@AndyKimbel
@AndyKimbel 2 жыл бұрын
Really like the Marlow Hunter 50. Pretty much the same hull as the popular 49, with greatly improved fit and finish along with a few other enhancement upgrades. Never sailed one, nor the 49, but it does seem like a very attractive boat. If the performance matches or comes close to the beauty of the interior, it probably is a buy compared to the Beneteau 49/50 and equivalent Jeanneau. I guess Catalina's entry in that range of boat would be the 470. Which do you like? Have you sailed the H-50 aft cockpit?
@thomastaylor2019
@thomastaylor2019 3 жыл бұрын
Amongst serious sailors, rightly or wrongly, they got a reputation for designing the boat interior to be as comfy as possible and then fitting a hull around it. This after they left racer cruisers behind. And, they got a reputation as poor sailing boats with the racer cruiser crowd. We looked at a Hunter Marlowe 33 at a boat show because a friend had just put down a deposit on one. The first thing I always do is to walk the deck and imagine myself doing same in a big sea. No issues, but I saw that the waste pump-out fitting was literally 1/2 inch from a water inlet. Hmmm. Then I looked in the anchor locker and saw that it was really shallow such that the chain was likely to bunch up and jam the windlass. The cabins were absolutely great. A sales person asked what I thought - I very politely told her of my two issues on the deck. She just turned around and walked away!
@krystalsmith137
@krystalsmith137 3 жыл бұрын
Currently own a Tanzer26, but wanting to upgrade in the next few years to cruise south and then “who knows where”. For some reason I keep being drawn to the hunter legend 35.5 for all it’s comfort features as we would be living on it for a while. With that said, it’s definitely got me nervous with all the bad reviews of hunters and their capabilities sailing in open ocean passings. I’ll definitely continue my research. Thanks for the video!
@denisstanley7449
@denisstanley7449 3 жыл бұрын
Your comment about the lack of a back stay is noted. If you have a close look at many late model boats there is no back stay, cats included, have no back stay. In mast main sails are crap. But they look good. , Are they for cruising boats,. probably not. I dislike furling my head sails but I can not lift them as they are too bloody big and heavy so changing my head sails and hanking on a smaller one is not an option when sailing short handed and most times we all sail shorthanded. You and your lady. I have twin back stays on my Beneteau and regardless of what out modern trends are or the experts design I would not go into the ocean on a long voyage without a back stay and preferably an inner fore stay and spreaders to the width of my deck. Why, simply because it just give the mast some more support to prevent it breaking or falling over, I have not done the math but I think too much emphasis has been placed on having cruising and day sailers with racing style riigs rather than strong well supported structures, I never found it necessary when I was cruising to have to point so hard to make a mark. I just ease off to keep the boat sailing fast and give it power to cut through the waves and tack if i really have to. Watch a video of a yacht sailing into ocean swell and watch the pitch back and forward. Look at the movement back and forward of the top of the mast and the sails. The mast pitches forward and stops dead as it ploughes into a wave and then pitches back as it climbs the swell and forward and back. And you dont have backstay. Maybe not necessary but I think a very cheap way of strengthening your rig.
@joytekb
@joytekb 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know much about boats ,but i have seen one boat in Gdynia and it is the most beautiful boat, or even design structure I have ever seen .She is sailing around Antarctica. The crew were first to circumnavigate on sailboat south of 60 paralel , name is Katharsis 2 .It is British design Oyster 72.
@atrueearthling4326
@atrueearthling4326 3 жыл бұрын
This made me want to get one, lol 😂
@vial1sim
@vial1sim 3 жыл бұрын
I think I may have said this before but, it was on a 5000 mile delivery of a 2001 hunter 46 that completely changed my mind about production boats. As for the B&r rig it does give you a very large main with lots of roach or a square head. It would appear to mimic a catamaran rig. Hope you get to the Caribbean in 2021/2 season would love to catch up.
@houssamhammoudi1982
@houssamhammoudi1982 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Simon. Is there a way I could contact you? My wife and I love the hunters( also what we can affoard) we feel we can get a good boat for the money spent. However, we want a permanent loveaboard, travel the world, circumnavigate with two kids. I work from home so no problem at all. The only concern we have is the reputation of Hunter from what we can tell on forums as explained on this video. Since you made a delivery crossing oceans etc.. can you please let us know what hunter to buy , what boat to avoid etc... thanks Sammy
@SP-wg5pn
@SP-wg5pn 2 жыл бұрын
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@roypesta7713
@roypesta7713 3 жыл бұрын
Have a Hunter 30. Sails wonderful and fairs well during storms. No complaints as of yet.. 3 yrs owning
@davidbarrett7424
@davidbarrett7424 3 жыл бұрын
I have a good solid British Hunter 26. Different stable from the American Hunter. It even has an adjustable backstay :-)
@scott.wallace8625
@scott.wallace8625 3 жыл бұрын
Hey tim good seris as you build cash up. A year ago i was looking at i think it was an older irwin 32 center cockpit for 3k. Rough boat. Bigger than i wanted. Irwin? Thoughts? It a good thing to put out stuff on these older boats. First i have seen it...
@nickbenfell4327
@nickbenfell4327 3 жыл бұрын
I notice also on the Hunter 50 the hull is flared giving a narrow waterline and increasing stability when heeled. Check out the Young 11 from New Zealand which has this feature to a more extreme level and is a tremendous sailor in heavier weather.
@swimcat2333
@swimcat2333 6 ай бұрын
Took sailing lessons on 27ft Hunter, used to put all the sails up - over powered -- stall some reduce sail as needed, very forgiving little boat
@charlesm903
@charlesm903 3 жыл бұрын
Like other posts, this should be retitled. I had a Hunter 36 and wanted to size up. Looked at other production boats before zeroing on a Hunter 41. Very happy with my choice realizing everything is a trade off, including value/price.
@allanfifield8256
@allanfifield8256 3 жыл бұрын
4:28 "...dock queens..." LOL!
@natasharae4440
@natasharae4440 3 жыл бұрын
mate, love the videos, very informative. we've been looking for a coastal cruiser step up from our 23ft day sailor down here in Sydney. we've been lookingvaround the 30ft range, there's a hunter 310 on the market but we've been reticent to take a look due to forum reports etc (1998 model), what do you reckon? cheers Neil.
@NeverBeenThereBefore
@NeverBeenThereBefore 3 жыл бұрын
While I have a 45 Passage, i will say that i think Hunters are very comfortable for cruising, as noted they're open and very livable. I find the quality better than other boats in their class (beneteau and jeanneau for example).
@AndyKimbel
@AndyKimbel 3 жыл бұрын
Although most of my sailing and also being in the dealer "biz"off an on throughout my career, most of my experience has been on perceived higher end, higher quality boats. I have brokered and sailed many Hunters with no issues whatsoever, but did not pay much attention as my career in this biz has focused primarily in the marketing and delivery of new boats, of which I have sold many in between music tours. (Yes, what a life, guitar and sailing. Who I am, not what I do). Anyway, I am very intrigued by the 2009-2010+ model year Hunter 49 to the point of even wanting perhaps to own one if I could find the right "clean" boat. Must adnit, I also really very much like the Jeaneau 509 but never sailed one. They are quite at bit more expensive than the H-49. Any owners or folks with experience like to comment on the Hunter 49? ...Again, the interior plan and volume seems amazing. All the boats I've been on, never thought I would buy a Hunter. Nothing to do with the boat, just a brand that for whatever reason, I never thought I would own.
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