He is proud of their deeds, but sad at the fact he can't stop their suffering

I always forget there of blood angle geneseed

He already is ♥️🩸

The Lamenters truly exemplify Sanguinius’s compassion, empathy and self sacrificial nature.

All Lamenters are destined to earn their wings.

If the lamenters represent anything it is true undying perseverance in the face of any and all adversity

By the Great Angel we shall persevere brothers

Fun? One off the after effects of the Mechanicus’ tweaking with their Geneseed is that all of them feel chronic deep melancholy. Little bit hard to have fun for a Lamenter.

@@letendreelliott8778 trust me as a russian I absolutely share their doomer energy xD

Reminds be of the story of Brook from One Piece

I thought it was space wolves and salamanders since they also care for normal people like the lamenters

I think it ultimately depends on if this song is based on an existing event/story or it’s own thing, since I’m sure Astral Claws/Executioners have saved them before but I’m not sure if Salamanders and Space wolves have

It could also be a reference to the 9th Black Crusade, where the Lamenters suffered heavy losses defending hive world Corillia & was subsequently relieved by the Ultramarines and White Scars. Sure, blueberries are more navy than ice & white scars rarely have fire-adjacent symbols, but Astral Claws are also mostly silver with blue secondary and gold trim. I'm not sure if we can determine what (if any) canonical event the song is about at this stage. However, if this song connotes to Corillia & the first one retroactively hints at their encounter with kraken, it'd be pretty cool if song 3 is entirely about the Badab War

As far as I’m aware the only chapter to ever come to their aid were the ultramarines and white scars

Kmow

Well, one of their Strike Forces is still around and kicking in M42 during the War for Aberrus. Honestly, it's the (Very) mixed blessing they have; their luck is so -bad- that there's Lamenters scattered all over the place (IE, a kill-team got stranded in the Jericho Reach because their ship had a catastrophic malfunction and the survivors joined up with the Deathwatch, that sort of thing) so even if they have to rebuild with Primaris Marines they can probably pull some veterans out of -somewhere- to form a leadership cadre and help rebuild. Also, if they get completely wiped out, their torment ends, and the Galaxy can't have -that-!

Guilleman just gave them Primaris, so they're still around and rebuilding.

​@@TheScoops82Was it that he have them the ability to make primaris, an did not give them primaris due to their involvement in the Badab wars, since the Lamenters where still under a penitent Crusade.

​@@blacktemplarbrotherlucius1935he tool the oath of penitent crusade out of them i think

I personally prefer this to the first

I think it conveys the whole " resolute " idea pretty well. Not overly heroic, yet stoic changing in tones only slowly and/or faintly. I love this second part as much as the first, and can't wait for the third !!!

Agreed, I prefer it to the original but "FOR THOSE WE CHERISH, WE DIE IN GLOOOOOORYYYYY" just hits different

I thought the same, but after a few more listens I can’t help but think my opinion is changing.

WE DIE IN GLORY

WE DIE IN GLORY!

WE DIE IN GLORY

WE DIE IN GLORY

WE DIE IN GLORY!!!

FOR THOSE WE CHERISH!!! WE DIE IN GLORY!!!

Lamenters succumb to the Black Rage at a much, much lesser rate than their brethren chapters. Instead, they have to deal with the universe constantly trying to kill them via bad luck, but never actually finishing the job.

​@@flagshipson Is it Bad luck if they live for that long though? Or is that worse luck than usual for a Lamenter? I can't help but see Bad Luck Brian as their Primarch or secondary leader.

Its very bad luck, of the type you cant shake the feeling that the universe wanted to make them a punching bag , and even if the universe didnt expexct them to last, they are very headstrong, resolute and willing to chew glass if it means to save one more live. Regarding bad luck, they go from bad luck situation to bad luck situation. The ultramarines qant to give them an iron halo for some heroic action? Thry say no due to feeling they failed to accomplish what was truly needed. Then every other chapter things they are cocky ungrateful bastards. They find a friendly space marine chapter? That chapter is on the road to heresy. They have a succesful mission? Their ship jumps to the warp, gets lost, all shields fail at the same time, they fight warp invasion after warp invasion, the survivors get spit out in the trajectory of a tyranid hive fleet, then they are sent by the inquisition on a 100 years penitent crusade because shit that they didnt deserve nor wanted to do. Equipment fails at alarming rates and the mechanicus is wtf is going on, I mean extremely millenia failure free shit fails in decades … it is so bad that some other astartes chapters dont deploy if they are there due to believing they will be infected by their bad luck.

And when they do.... better have your assholes ready​@@flagshipson

Wait a minute...

Not familiar with the novels but I was thinking Salamanders and Space Wolves, Fire and Ice respectively.

It is more than likely that it's the astral claws as the third song is probably going to be about the badab war

@@markvangorkum8091 Honestly if it was space wolves He would have heard "Sorry Lamenter, but today you will have to settle for living in Glory, and sharing your hunt." Because Space Wolves have a sense of humor, and loyalty. I'm sure a Salamander's fan could tell us what their response would be like.

​​@@markvangorkum8091 I looked into it and I can't find any connection between the space wolves and Lamenters ever meeting and the only connection between them and the salamanders are that they both took part in the badab war but on different sides but if found please let me know.

@@zyphierIt’s almost definitely Marines Errant. Ice and Flame is exactly what their logo is.

THEY BEAR THE MARK AND COLORS OF FLAME AND ICE!!!

@@Echo_1773 THEY RASE ME TO MY FEET AND JOIN THE FIGHT

Thanks for the lyrics.

I highly recommend the Isyander and Koda video on them aswell, it really gets across why the Lamenters are so great

@@Brigtzen thanks, will check!

As much as i love Adric, they tend to not really understand why people like certain factions, but Isyander and Koda really get the point across for the different factions and why they're loved@@Sebastian-ey3mk

Pretty sure it’s supposed to be Marines Errant. "Ice and Flame" fits their logo perfectly.

I mean maybe, but I wouldn’t say the star on their symbol is meant to be snowflake, it looks more like a star, or comet given the flaming tail. It’s also “Barges” that they deploy from, and the Marines Errant only have one. Like I say, both the SW and Sallies have a thematic reason to be there given they and the Lamentors all prioritise mortals more than most marines, and they’re the 2 chapters most associated with both Ice and Fire respectively. Marines Errant would be extremely random.

@@pentacosttb2565 you know comets are made of mostly Ice with a bit of rock, right? And as far as I know, the average Chapter has 2-3 barges, the rest of their fleet being strike cruisers. So it’s almost definitely Marines Errant, there’s no chapter whose symbol represents "flame and Ice".

That and the only other chapters that go out of their way for civilians

Yeah, not buying that as a good enough argument mate. It’s really stretching the definition of fire and ice, and the Marines Errant have never been described that way, nor have they ever had anything to do with the Lamenters, either in the fluff or thematically. The SW and Sallies fit both the them of the Lamenters and have been described in relation to their themes of fire and ice almost constantly. Also if we’re going to get into the weeds of chapter fleet constitutions, 3 is very rare for most chapters, most usually only have 1 or 2, except for the Sallies and SW’s, ironically, who have more due to the SW’s effectively still being a Legion, and the Sallies having never recovered after the Horus Heresy to numbers enabling any official successor chapters, so all their salvageable ships from their Legion days are in the hands of their chapter alone.

this song just goes so fucking hard

Was wondering this too.. But then Barges.. Plural.. Flame and Ice.. Then it hit me: Its two chapters. Salamanders and Space Wolves perhaps? Both have been known to defend common folk.

@@blackhand9581But isn't the heraldic color of the Salamanders *green* rather than anything flame-like? Yes, I know they love fire, but the description in the song is explicitly "the mark and color", so it would make much more sense to use something like "color of scales", because that would refer to the reptilian/draconic aspect of Salamanders heraldry.

I can’t recall the exact chapters name, but since this is part 2 of 3 we can assume a tale is being told. I do know that the Lamenters of current 40k had to go on a penance crusade for a conflict I can’t recall the name of. Essentially they fought against the imperium because they owed a favor to another chapter that considered them friend. And while they were in the right they lost. So I think the “Of flame and Ice” is of reference to those chapters.

I just check the ice blue references the Astral Claws. A Renegade Chapter of space marines after the Abadan War

@@avaricecreed3930 the babbad war, maybe these are the astral claws

Salamanders and Space Wolves?

​@@brianschultz962I feel like is gotta be. Flame and Ice are both associated with them and thats not an accident

Ultramarines

@@Armand10ify You keep insisting that ita UM, its def not lol

Possibly Astral Claws?

Guessing the only other two Space Marine Chapters that give a shit about civilian lives. The Salamanders and the Space Wolves

Ultramarines

i saw someone saw pre-badab astral claws

it is now

Nah, that's Rylanor's Last Stand. Bit the Lamentors songs are top tier.

Edit: I was Incorrect, I misremembered their iconography

believe so, it said barge*s*, plurel, and those are the most prolific chapters with those themes

Whate till the salimanders hear about the months of shame and slaughter houce 3

From my knowledge of the lore it probably refers to either the Ultramarines/white scars that saved them at Corrillia or the Astral Claws chapter, of whom they were close friends with and is implied they were once saved by. Other than those two occasions, I don't know what it could mean.

@@Warhammer_AI probably astral claws, thanks man

It could be two chapters. It mentions flame and ice, which sounds reasonably like it could be red and blue. I don't have a lot to go off, but it could be the Star Dragons and Blood Swords. They're notable bro chapters, one of which is also on a penitent crusade. But even so, the Blood Swords backed the Dragons up for the duration of that crusade. No obligation. They just cared about their brothers from entire different geneseed enough to do this for them. It's not like they weren't still serving the imperium. I don't imagine they'd let a chapter they probably see a bit of themselves in just go out like that.

I think it's the Ultramarines and White Scars as they had saved the Lamenters in the past

red and blue...could be the crimson fists@@echothegecko2875

Space Wolves and Salamanders

Consensus seems to be salamanders and Space Wolves