We have a 2021 model and to resolve the sewer hose storage I added a storage tube along the rear bottom edge below the propane compartment. The stock storage was way too short for a decent length hose anyway. For overhead storage above the table I extended the shelf about 4 inches, built a front frame and added doors. Always room for improvements. Happy camping!

Hi Guys We just got one of the Lance650 and just agree with all of your 10 dislikes. also, we are living in a colder climate, and it would be really nice since this is a 4 season camper to have all waterpipes insolated. it's impossible to do this once the camper is assembled. Again this would be very easy to do and very cheap.

Good reminder that cassette toilets are really the best option. Being able to dump the tank in a public toilet at a rest stop came in handy often on our cross country trip.

Thank you for your insights. I'm considering purchasing this model in the next couple of weeks. I sure appreciate someone with experience posting 'gripes'.

Your horizontal propane bottle is not a standard 20 lb propane bottle. Do not use a standard propane bottle in the horizontal position. The safety vent line inside a horizontal tank is routed to the top side of the tank. When tank needs to vent, do to over pressure, this vent allows gaseous propane to vent. You do not want liquid to be coming out. You could get a propane extender hose, then run standard propane bottles. Hook the standard bottle upright and attach it to back of camper.

Thank you! I just bought a 2018 and am excited to get a few of these “dislikes” modified if possible while they are upgrading the truck suspension etc. You are awesome.

The refrigerator and waste hose are solid complaints. Thanks for pointing these things out.

I compared the Lance with the Northern Lites I great detail and the NL’s are so much better designed. But NL doesn’t p provide a camper for a 1/2 ton truck, so Lance wins here if that is important.

We enjoy our 650 quite a bit, but have some of the same 'dislikes'. Fortunately, we don't have the rear awning, so we don't have to deal with that issue!

Absolutely agree with the 10 you shared! I just got an Adventurer 80 RB & have some similar dislikes.

Number *11* for me would be the fact that you have to use some kind of lighter to *manually* light the stove. It does not have a self-ignighting stove. You can't just turn the knob to light the stove like practically every other hard-sided camper. Number *12* would be the back window. It's not clear, so if someone knocks on your door you can see a figure, but that's about it. You can unplug the backup camera and hook it up inside the camper though. That way you can use it to see what's outside of the rear of the camper.

Thanks so much for sharing. Super cute family and awesome presentation.

Excellent points and honest gripes! Thank you for that!

I laughed so hard when you spoke of the door with no magnet. Then the sewer hose door!!!! LOL!!!!

Really poor design. It would be a deal breaker for me. Really overpriced for something that has so many design problems.

100% agree about the water heater switch. Even in my L480 the switch is inside.

Thanks you two for this as I was considering this camper. Good information to have. Cheers, Paige

Great video thank you so much. I really appreciate you and all the information you shared.

Hello, my name is Mauro Endara and I am from Panama, I liked the Lance 650 model a lot, since I have an F-150 super crew, 5x5 short bed, but since I saw your video, I was as they say in is baseball, still in first base, I will continue looking for another camper tor RV that fits in to my truck, I have seen that for the price of this Camper Truck Lance 650, I can buy a much larger and more comfortable RV Trailer, thank you very much for the video, congratulations to both of you and continue enjoying life, that is one and is short, hugs from Panama.

Compost toilet is a must for ANY Rv. Convert your black tank to another freshwater tank. No more dumping no more problems

I think they should take your idea considerations into affect. If that table could compress down it would be great. Good ideas.

This video has made me eliminate the Lance 650 from my choices.

Thanks.very helpful

I wonder if Lance is listening? They should be!!

#11 - The newer model years no longer have the glass cover for the cooking burners, which make using it for additional counter space while the burners are not in use very difficult. They should bring that back. #12 The weird placement of the kitchen power outlet. It's in the front which means stringing the electric cables right through the middle of the counter. It should be moved to the back right corner on the right side wall, where the cords can lie sensibly out of the way.

Stove does not have vent hood, how is cooking in the camper. Does it get hot and Smokey easily? Also how do you deal with storage? Like perhaps a kayak. Roof is not walkable or reinforced. Hence no latter.

I’ll try and make a video for some of these. But the table mostly fits behind the upright cushion that is under the bed. It sticks out like 2 in. And the mount fits in the cubby so it’s almost flush. The poll I put up above in the storage area. For the bed sliding. Yes super annoying my dog is still scared from it and him falling because it’s not secure. But if you flip the cushions and use the larger square one on the outside it stays no problem.

Thanks for the video! Where’d you get your mattress? Looks like it fits well! I have the same complaint about the refer location. A bit inconvenient with a larger mattress getting into the fridge but the mattress that comes with the camper is no bueno.

Nice I also have a tundra. My payload is 1600 lb would that be enough for this camper? Thank you.

All of this is a deal breaker for me. It just seems so poorly designed -- and quality control appears non-existent. Did anyone at Lance test any of this? Obviously not.

Great video thanks!!, I am pretty sure you mentioned that you are using the Toyota Tundra half ton to haul this? I was looking on you channel to see your mods you mentioned in one of your videos that you did on the Tundra but did not see it? After I watched your video I decided I wanted this same camper. I made a post on Truck Campers page on FB and I got bashed pretty much saying I wanted to get a half ton truck for this. They all said I needed a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck to haul this safely? What are your thoughts?

Unhook the bottom of the awning to access your sewer line storage, on my 2021 650 its a quick disconnect and when un hooked you can leave it hang its still bolted on via the horizontal supports. its much easier and quicker then messing about with the awning.

Thank you for the information. Much Mahalo

Did you install an air bag on your truck?

You can release the awning arm at the bottom and it will come towards you and get the sewer hose out

I noticed you have a Tundra. Did you have to do anything to your truck for carrying capacity? Any problems with braking capacity as well? What year is your truck?

Hi, is there a bypass valve for wintering/de wintering in this model? I can’t find one anywhere? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks

You can release the left arm of the awning to open the sewer compartment. That’s a 2 second job

Just curious,can one stay in the camper if it’s not mounted in a truck and just on the ground? That might be a stupid question so forgive me.Thanks for you all telling about the camper,it’s very helpful to know the little gripes of an investment like this.

I thought you were nit-picking until I saw the obstructed sewage hose--wow, how did that make it out of the factory? Thanks for the great video.

VERY helpful video! Thank you!

That fridge would pee me off big time

What was your total wet weight and loaded with your stuff... ??

The Driver side rear awning arm doesn't unlatch from its lower connection point on the camper ???

I’d like to hear about your Tundra build out to handle this Lance camper. Thanks.

Thanks for sharing.

It is possible to purchase the LANCE 650 with the All Weather Package (Four Seasons) option.

your video is really ridiculous you can remove the post from the awning with the button at the base of the pole. you can leave the button of the water heater open you have another control inside you don’t have to go outside. before you change your mattress you need to measure the space you have so that the refrigerator can open. the propane bottle cannot be changed for a normal bottle because it is a special bottle that goes horizontally. i have a lance 650 for two years and very satisfied.

Appreciate it!

Should’ve bought 1172 I got a 2021 plenty a room

Think I'll stick with my tent

Y’all bought the cheapest lance and y’all complaining

How do you recharge the propane gas tank? do you refill or buy another tank?

The table top should definitely be the bed platform and you could just put the pole under it

What is the truck that you used to carry the camper?

What is your vehicle payload limit? I have a Toyota Tundra with a 5.5 foot short bed, with a 1360 pound limit, so I don’t think that I have the payload for this camper…though it is called Lance’s “lightest” camper. Thank you.

Hello @ThisIsUnlimited! My boyfriend and I are on the road 80% of our time and we are thinking about buying a truck and a truck camper. We have a quick question; what kind of gas mileage do you get on highway/city?

How is the 650 holding up?

You guys should probably stick to hotel rooms. 😆

Can you share more about your Truck? I am looking to get a Lance 650 for my F-150. Do you know what the payload sticker shows for your Tundra?

I’ll say some of your issues are petty and easily amended but the top for my list is the refrigerator over the bed. How ridiculous this is.

Your pulling the camper with a toyota light truck what did you expect

Great Video

Truck bed campers are hunting and fishing shacks for the back of a pickup That's all it's intended to be. The long shelf with a cargo net is for a hunting rifle or a 2 piece fishing rod. It is not really a camper in the same way as others.

Yikes, so dumb - sewage hose location!! I am just starting to learn about Truck Campers and learning what to look out for!

Thanks for this info. I’d have the same dislike too.

In such as small space; Why do you keep dogs?

WHY ?? Why can’t the manufacturers Raise the master bedroom roof 24” so sitting in bed could be an option??

NuCamp is better built for sure !

The Lance 650 is awesome. Most of these complaints are nitpicking. You can tell they like their camper because of the 10 "issues" they list, only two of them are legit. Complaining about the refrigerator location, for example, is a pretty stupid complaint considering the manual and website both explicitly state that the reason for it being there is because it's been designed to sit in the bed of a smaller truck and weight distribution is extremely important. Besides, they bought it like that. They knew what they were buying. If it's such a dealbreaker, take it out and problem solved. The modification to the closet made me puke a little in my mouth. The hooks on the ceiling can be fixed with some gorilla glue or epoxy. Maintenance like that is to be expected. Storage for the table is not an issue either. The table itself can literally go under your mattress or one of the cushions and the table leg can go in the bathroom. The only legit complaints should be about the position of the propane tank, and its awkward flat shape, and the rear awning blocking the door to the hose in the back. Are those 2 things really deal-breakers for you people? That's absolutely ridiculous. The Lance 650 may not be perfect, but there is hardly a better option on the market. If I were making a nitpicking video to dissuade people from buying a Lance 650, I would start by saying issue #1 is that its too expensive. The next obvious issue is the wear and tear its going to put on your vehicles suspension. But again, both of these "issues" are things you go in understanding so they end up not being issues at all. There's plenty to love about the 650. Don't let some minor annoying features keep you from getting one and going out and exploring the world around you.

I've looked at this camper, but fridge location, don't like it.

Look like brother/sister

4:33 Put on filp flops over your socks wow!

Can I have it?

You want be Newbies forever 😢

Is this 4 seasons?

Wow your fridge is in a unusable awkward spot lance suck fo putting fridge here😢

You should have got a Wolf Creek 890

Can't hear your wife. Maybe set her up with a mic?

Not everyone should film and upload KZfaq videos. This is an example of that...Stop it!

The video should be name bunch of whiny complainer. The table is inconvenient for the dogs??? the dogs sleep on the table??? Why did you not look at the camper before spending 40000$ on a camper

Not something I’m going to buy

This model, very sloppy interior.

Lance messed up with the design of the 650.

Lance 650 sucks!