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The Sette 270 is AU$530 and the Niche Zero is around AU$1600. If they are very similar in what they produce there is really only one winner. Just bought the Sette 270 to replace my failed Sunbeam, a AU$200 burr grinder. Has made a huge difference to what I can produce from my 12 yo Rancilio Silva.

Very, very important consideration: The "38mm" burrs in the Sette is the dimensions of the inner burr, while the niche "61mm" is the diameter of the outer ring. The actual burr size isn't *that* different, niche is still bigger ofc.

Lance, you rock! Thanks for this video and all the latte art ones - definitely helped to get me in the right direction. Breville Infuser and now Sette 270.

Lance… 9 months later you still rocked it. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!

Really hope that you get a chance to do a detailed review of the DF64 similar to what you did with the Baratza Vario. Talking about alignment, modifications, and blind tasting against the Vario + (or modded Vario) would be very cool to watch. So much community discussion is currently revolving around the DF64.

Lance, you rock! I really like your videos because they complement, rather than repeat, what other people do in KZfaq. You have a more down to earth approach to things, while keeping professional and educational. Keep up the excellent work!

Lance you rock. And thanks for your job, it's amazing. I love nerdiness and thoroughness in your videos, right on point.

Appreciate the honest comparison, it really shows how difficult it is to taste differences at some point when the grinders are "good enough"

Lance, you rock! I love my Sette 270. Thanks for the great comparison, you made me appreciate my grinder even more.

Thanks, Lance! Several months ago, I bought the Sette 270 on your recommendation, and I am very happy with it -- thanks!

Wooowww.. this is the battle I’ve been waiting for. Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🙏

“Lance U Rock” I’m very happy you made this video. I have the Sette 270 and always wondered if ‘upgrading’ to the Niche was necessary. Glad to know. The Breville Dual Boiler with Sette 270 was actually my home workhorse team for years (until I sold my BDB in order to preorder the long-awaiting Odyssey Espresso Argos). FWIW- I also got a 3D printed single-dose hopper with a weighted auger for my Sette, and found the quality of the grounds was improved as a result. Thanks again, and keep up the great content.

Thanks, Lance. My Niche arrived back in October after struggling to buy one for several months. I went through more espresso than I would have expected during the first week of ownership, but the Niche is doing great now. The espresso tastes really good.

Lance, you rock! This is a great comparison, thanks for doing it

Bro…Idk why I’ve been longing to subscribe. Just did! To me, you are fastly becoming the next James Hoffman. Well explained, well mannered, enthusiastic, connoisseur, and fun! Keep doing what you are doing brother! 👊🏾

I never would have thought to compare these two and would have assumed it would be no comparison. Thanks for doing this, I actually own the 270wi and feel vindicated. Thanks to Clive Coffee for their advice.

I’m very new to the realm of nice home coffee, but I’ve found the sette fits perfectly into my tastes. I really like darker, bitterer roasts and brews and (likely because of this) have found the sette perfect for infusion brews or things like the hario switch. Plus its impossible to argue with the price to performance ratio. While I might enjoy the niche if I ever get my hands on it, I can see almost anyone getting into home espresso getting years out of a sette.

You rock lance! Keep up these excellent videos

So incredibly looking for this viddy. Lance your Rock!

Lance.... you rock Love this kind of vid, more of these comparisons please! Lots of reviews focus too much on design, work flow etc rather than quality in the cup. And the comparison between different products is so useful. Df64 vs cheap 60mm flats vs Forte would be really cool

GREAT timing on this video! I have had the Sette 270 for over a year and a half now and have a love/hate relationship with it. I like the way it looks, it works pretty well for single dosing and make good grinds. but GOD I am sick of the noise!!! (also annoyed on how the dial tends to move while grinding). So after much debate I finally ordered my Niche Zero this week and this video re-assures me that I made the right choice!!! Thanks!!

Thanks for the great content and easily reachability for questions! Awesome!

Great video! It was super interesting to hear the comparison between the two in a blind side by side

Hey Lance! It would be also really interesting to carry out the similar battle between handgrinders for pourover (or other filter brewing methods), for example 1Zpresso (J or K series), or Timemore (popular C2 or their premium X model) vs Comandante. Price difference is like double, but some people say taste difference is negligible. Would be really nice to hear your opinion

When you have the opportunity please do a Eureka Mignon SD vs Niche comparison. You rock.

I've owned the Niche for a while now and am very very pleased with all categories. Thanks Lance always for your input and opinions .

Lance I'm learning a lot from you thank you keep it up.

Hey Lance, what was the roast level on those beans? I've been tempted by the Niche because I've heard it's better for light roasts than the Sette, while they might perform similarly on medium to dark. Is that true? Would love to get some comparative tasting across multiple coffees, doesn't need to be a blind test. This topic is one I've been waiting a long time for someone to do, so thanks!

I had the Sette 270v2 for 2 years, it's really a good grinder, it produces really fluffly grind without any lumps (in no time) ! Really impressive ! its only weak point is the noise! I sold it and bought a Eureka Mignon Specialita'. I didnt noticed any improvement in flavor or body, maybe a subtle improvement in clarity ? i'm not sure. But it's definitively more quiet, and the build quality and aesthetic is way superior. Keep in mind those grinders were not designed for single dosing. Only the Niche was. Thanks Lance for the video, it's always fun to watch !

Lance, you friggin rock AND you’re the man

Lance - You rock!!! I have a smart grinder pro, but I've been eyeing off the sette 270wi for awhile. Great video! Keep em coming!! And Merry Xmas!

I had the Sette 270 for about 3 years and upgraded to the Niche last year. I find the Niche a bit easier to dial-in my shots and cleanup is great. Adding the portastand and funnel from Decent makes it an even better setup as the metal cup isn't great for grinds with some static. But the big complaint I had with the Sette was that it was too darn loud (obnoxiously so in a home setting). My wife is so much happier now that she can sleep in on weekends :).

I had a sette for a couple of years and upgraded it for a niche a year ago. The difference in shots wasn’t as big as I had thought it would be. But I’m sure the niche will still be grinding long after the sette is dead. Th niche has far superior build quality. And if you’re into light roasted coffee I don’t think the sette will handle the density and hardness in the long run. No problem with the niche there. I liked the sette but I have no regret upgrading to the niche.

Lance. loving your channel! Keep up the great work.

exactly the video I needed! thanks Lance!

From my experience the most obvious difference of two grinders with same type of burr (conical here) is gonna be clarity, which is the most significant influence of fines in the taste. Other than that, all the "body", "sweetness" etc is very subjective. However, flat burr can have a rather big difference in taste vs conical, as the shape of the ground particles are different when inspected closely, which will influence the total surface area given a similar ground particle size.

I wish they made the Sette in different colors like white and maybe less plastic components. I would pay $100 bucks more for that

Lance, you DO rock! Love your vids!

great video Lance, getting better on the video quality also! congrats.

Great video, thanks for the honesty!

Lance You are a rockstar. We love and learn from your videos.

Thank you Lance, you rock. I’m still searching and researching budget grinders.

Lance... you rock! Got to meet you at the SF Coffee Festival and you really made my day!

Lance, you rock...Coffee God! And you're comparing my grinder (well, I have a modded Sette 30 with the 270 wheel...)...so cool!

Thank you Lance!! I have the Sette "30x9" (30 with the 270 mod) and I am very happy. Thank you for confirming the quality of the Sette grinder. I am also enjoying my BDB. A great pair.

I’ve been using the Sette 270 for as long as I remember. Happy with it. Don’t think I’ll ever go to another brand. I am getting a new born soon though so the noice might come in to play. Thanks Lance for the video. You do rock.

Thanks Lance, you rock! Love your videos and you have already helped me improve my espresso dramatically across your videos. I am looking at upgrading my grinder from the ECM C54 as I can’t fine tune it enough depending on the beans. The Niche looks awesome and is in my budget, I love that it is stepless and the workflow is perfect for me, but I am not sure if flat or conical is more preferable for espresso. Do you recommend the Niche or something else with that budget in mind? I am even happy to shell out a bit more for something very special.

Thank you for this review , appreciate your effort 👍🏻

Thanks for this comparison! I recommended a friend sette 270 while I was lucky to get niche due to the same reason you mentioned. Super relieved that I didn't recommend the wrong one hahaha

Great video as always Lance. If these kinds of comparisons are something you like look into triangle tests.

Hey Lance- You rock! I think this was a great idea for a video and was well executed and I enjoyed it. However, I did have a few suggestions that I think could make comparisons videos like these even better. First, I think instead of just talking about the workflow, maybe we could watch your workflow with both grinders for just the first shot. That way u can talk about as well as show the real world impacts of the improvements of the Niche and show how it’s easier, faster, better distribution, sound while actually grinding, etc. This would seemingly be more useful than just mentioning those concepts. My second suggestion is with regards to the stirring. I really enjoy your video style and transparency in process and I do think it’s a good idea to show it for the first shot to mitigate questions, but showing the thorough stirring on the 2nd and 3rd shots instead of just mentioning that you repeated the procedure seemed like video time better spent on showing the shots or the workflow. Lastly, I focused on trying to guess which one was the Niche, rather than which one you preferred. For the 2nd shot, you guessed wrong because of the body but the other one was more clear and was the Niche. Which did you prefer and why? Would some prefer the body? I think focusing on what is better and worse within the shots is more useful than just seeing if a talented coffee professional can guess the grinder. Anyways, love the content, keep up the great work, and hopefully the feedback is received in the spirit in which it was intended. Merry Christmas

Enjoy the baby’s first Christmas! Thanks for all of the videos!

Thanks Lance your awesome 👍😉 Happy to hear that the sette holds up the way it does. I have had my eye on the Niche since it came out but the price tag is just too steep! I ended up getting the sette and I love it (maybe more so now even 😂)

Lance you rock. Also, you rock. Keep on rocking in the free world.

Great video as always! Thanks, broski! I think it would do the coffee world a great service to compare the Niche to a Ceado E6P ($885 and they're available). And maybe throw some others in there in the 700-900 price range.

Lance, you rock! I love your content.

Awesome comparison! Lance, you rock. My biggest takeaway is that in home setting, shot to shot consistency will never be perfect no matter what, so basically Niche is as good as it gets all things combined (grind quality, build quality, workflow etc), but you can get equally great results from a cheaper grinder. I just got my Niche - and availability seems to have greatly improved recently, it only took 2 weeks from order to delivery to the US - and while I’m very happy with it, I can definitely say that the shots I’ve been pulling with the Niche are very similar to what I had been getting from my Comandante C40 - sometimes better, sometimes worse. I expect the Niche to get more consistent over the next few months as it gets more seasoned, but still the difference in taste is never going to be several hundred dollar worth, like you said. But the looks and the workflow improvements are, to me.

Nice battle between two good grinders. Thanks Lance.

I have had the sette for 6 months now. Yes, it is loud, it is 10 seconds of your day - get over it. For the ultra low retention, reliability, small footprint and reasonable price point I have been very happy with it. I got the base model for less than $300 US, it did not have the step-less ring and I thought I would not need it. As I get further into making espresso I can see the benefit to having that option. It is available for an extra $100 and I will buy it in the future, easy to add on. Because I prefer to single dose I did not need the features of the 270wi. I did have to use their customer service and it was as fantastic as everyone says it is (I messed up the one/off micro switch when I first cleaned the burrs, newer models don’t have that fail point.). Excellent comparison review, LH does a great job. Clear example of the law of diminishing returns, I will spend the difference on good coffee beans.

I’m normally a 19 - 20 g in, 38 out, but tried your twenty and fifty today (twice!). Not sure which I like better, but happy to have two recipes. It really worked with the Honduras I have, and the juiciness my Vario with SS burrs brought out. Cheers!

So, you know, you really do rock. Initially I was using an M47 for espresso, and I was able to dial in pretty much as I needed to. But as I’m sure you know it’s a lot of work. When I got my Niche, the biggest difference I noticed was how fluffy the grind was, I ended up moving to a larger basket 😳

Lance, you absolutely rock!

Lance, thanks so much for that Sette 30 upgrade tip.

Damn! I've been thinking about this comparo for years! You rock!

Rock on, Lance. Nerdy and informative, though the singing was also awesome. ☕️

Lance, you rock. I really dig the concise, but in depth nature of your videos. I was wondering what espresso setup you think meets the point of diminishing returns. I’d like to buy once and not have to consider upgrading (at least for a while lol). What is, in your opinion, the best espresso grinder and espresso machine “for the money”. I’m willing to spend more for things like speed, quiet operation, and a “seamless” user experienc. And of course tasty espresso. I also really like making milk based drink. Big milk guy lol. Thanks for you time, Lance.

Dope video. Thanks for the awesome comparison. There’s always more expensive things, new things and hype. But this day in age we can make great coffee on fairly in expensive equipment. Case and point your cheap vertical burr grinder video.

Lance, my friend, you rock!🤘🏼

very good approach for an comparison... thx a lot

Lance: you rock! Keep up the good work !

Very helpful review! I have owned a Sette 270wi for 2.5 years. I'm on my 2nd gearbox after the first one failed exactly 1yr in. The 2nd gearbox is starting to go now too, 1.5yrs later. I make about 3-4 espressos per day and don't single dose. Mainly, I love the grind by weight functionality to the 270wi as it dramatically simplifies my workflow. Waiting to see what Baratza is going to do in terms of hopefully providing another replacement gearbox, but have been looking at alternative grinders in the meantime. The Niche is now about the same price here in the UK at 500GBP. I'm really torn between getting one or switching to a flat burr grinder!

Hey Lance you rock! Would love to see a more in depth review of the 7. I own one and I find dialling in quite hard, difficult to predict how much a letter in microdial will change in seconds

Lance, you ROCK.

Great content Lance, it is also worth considering the resale values of these, the Niche scores exceptionally well there, if you have the budget you can buy with confidence in that if you don't like it you can pretty much get all your investment back when you sell. I also think similar to high end audio equipment in that it suffers from diminishing returns the more you spend, after getting a decent budget set up going, when you upgrade from say a Niche to a Webber you will only gain a small improvement in taste, you same goes for espresso machines, but you will get an improvement in aesthetics and longevity through better engineering and components.

Lance great content as always. You noted you don’t like either of those grinders for filter. Which grinder would you recommend for filter at both the sub $500 price point and the sub $1k price point? Thanks!

Lance.. You rock! Your videos are so so good man. And for someone like me who wants in the future to provide the complete coffee experience these videos are game changing

Thanks Lance! I actually own both. It turns out I prefer the Niche just because it is easier to dial in with the single ring adjustment. I was wondering: do you think it would be an easy / safe mod to make the Niche work at different (slower) rpm?

Love the videos. You ROCK. That said would love to see you do another video that is a little harder on the Niche. Grind and brew 5 shots with the 270 and only one with the Niche. Then see if you can differentiate between them over 5 sets. That is a lot of coffee but that is a lot of money for a grinder.

Now that was useful. I was happy with my Sette 30 with the 270 adjustment ring. Did month of research. It is loud, yes but I am single and it does not bother anybody and its only for a few seconds anyways. I always thought the high prices of some grinders are insane and way out of my reach. The Niche is beautiful though. But you confirmed my suspicion that after you reached a good level, it does not make a huge difference and definitely not a several hundred dollars or thousand dollar difference. I am now very happy with my Sette and concentrate now to find a good espresso machine I can afford. My current machine is OK. Got it for $40 on Facebook. Was $1500 new but it is not as manual as I want it to be so.... Almost saved up for a Gaggia. :-) By the way... You rock!

Lance. You ROCK Also thank you so much for this video

Lance, I have possibly a tough one for you. I own an older Mazzer Super Jolly that I got for an absolute steal. I cleaned it up (for the most part but they decided to repaint in a rugged almost bedliner type paint) and did the doserless mod. Though I know it won’t be my forever grinder, it is hard to compare this vs some of the budget type grinders due to newer and better tech. What are your thoughts?

I have the Baratza Sette 270 with both sets of burrs, espresso & drip/filter. I do mostly filter coffee and use the filter burrs. Yes, the Baratza is noisy but it doesn’t bother me. My wife doesn’t however appreciate the noise. I also like the Baratza’s repair strategy but I’ve never had to utilize it over the 2 plus years of ownership. Also I’m a subscription service customer of Onyx in Rogers, AR. Love their coffees. Robert

Aaaaww yess! This is hype! Also nice demitasses

Lance thanks for your contribution to the coffee community. You rock :)

Lance, you rock!

Lance, you ROCK!

Lance, you rock!!

Thanks for the test! I have a Fellow Ode with SSP burrs but from time to time I notice some motor jams on very fine grind settings which is quite frustrating (and also the settings/clicks aren't that flexible in terms of an espresso grind). I know the Ode was not supposed to be an espresso grinder so I was thinking about going for another grinder for just espresso. Do you think the Sette would be a great option? (Grinding wise the SSP set is quite good though.)

I have the Sette 270 and found that if you put beans in the hopper, it works much better: You can dial in the weight by programming the timer. Plus this makes it quieter, it grinds in half the time, and eliminates popcorning, which makes the grind better. And workflow is faster.

Having had both of these, Lance is spot on. The flavor for money is not significantly different. However, the work flow on the Niche is certainly superior which is a small thing that adds up with daily use. Additionally, Baratza’s great customer service not withstanding, the Niche is noticeably quieter and built much more solidly (less likely to need service).

Great video, digging the Onyx Shirt!

Lance great video! You mentioned that you didn't like pour over coffee from either. What grinder would you recommend for pour over?

As requested, Lance, you rock!

Agree with you, Amen and Amen, superbly fun and superbly done

Great video. We don't end up hearing much about the Vario models. Would be interested to hear your take on the two new + models. I want something that can easily switch back and forth between espresso, pour over and drip. Noting down a number and letter seems like the easiest way to do this.

Lance, you rock! Here in Aust, the Sette 270 (not the Wi) is currently on sale for AUD $539 and the Niche is on sale as well from the same online store for AUD $1789. While we could probably find them cheaper if we looked hard enough, the Niche is still 3x more expensive than the Sette. The Sette was on my list for a new grinder to upgrade from my Breville SGP but instead went with the Urbanic 070s from Lance's Budget Grinder Showdown video from last month. The Urbanic with titanium burrs from Amazon was AUD $450 landed in Aust. More than happy to have the option of a flat burr grinder at that price.

Lance, you absolutely Rock. No doubt about that.

I'm sure the burr size and geometry played a part in it, but I know flat burrs at lower rpm generally give more clarity, and less body (less fines most likely), and higher rpm = more body and less clarity (more fines most likely), so I'm thinking that was a factor as well here.

Coffee unrelated, I have always loved your glasses. What are they? Also, thanks for all the high quality videos.