THE GREAT BURR BATTLE: Demythologizing the Conical vs Flat Debate

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Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Keen to hear your thoughts below!
*a commenter noted my focus on centrifugal force. While I believe this does occur during grinding, they are right to point out I should've pointed out the obvious- motor, slants in the burr (as I spoke about in the SG1 video with furrows), etc. I didn't find it necessary to divulge that here, but thought it best to clarify.
Check this IG post by Gagne on a few PSDs of grinders. It helps show my point a bit, though there is no objective connection between PSDs and taste. Below is just an image but soon, his blog post on it will be available to the masses.
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@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

Let's chat below! Does this fly in the face of what you thought you knew? Is this in alignment with your experiences? Are you intrigued with upcoming pushes in trying to understand burrs? Or is this all just white noise? ha! Thanks for watching and engaging!

@henripro Жыл бұрын

I have a niche and I like it, I do think it would be fun to get a flat bur grinder, and try it, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it for me. I like the espresso I make more than the stuff I get at most cafes in the major city I live in. ( I think most cafes just tend to be inconsistent unfortunately). I wish there was a way I could try the different grinders myself for a week or so and see if I would really notice any taste difference. Also curious about dialing in... With my niche zero and my e61 machine, with beans I am familiar with the sweet spot for good shots is pretty wide and I can get there just by guessing usually. It's nice to not waste any shots or force myself to drink a sour bomb. Would that change if I got a flat bur?

@brandonnuttall5451 Жыл бұрын

What I'm missing is the next level of science behind this. For instance, I'd assume that for the same coffee, if you were able to achieve a similar grind distribution, it should taste the same in the cup regardless of what burr / geometry you used to achieve it. (Barring chemical changes to the coffee, for example overheating burrs). Then if you establish that, you should be able to associate certain cupping characteristics to certain properties of the grind distribution. For example, you tasted two dozen (?) different burrs before landing on the V2 Ode burrs. Assuming you controlled for coffee origin, freshness & brew method, any differences in taste must map directly back to grind distribution created by the burrs. I'm kind of excited here because there's a potential for coffee tasting to be "solved" in a way that wine tasting can't - coffee nerds love to bust out their thermal probes and challenge their perception in a way that the wine industry refuses to (at least publicly).

@gregor9921 Жыл бұрын

I feel like we're only talking about small margins here. Having a high quality grinder is always better than no grinder, no matter if coned or flat. I got myself a Comandante for Christmas and have always had better coffee since

@xomm Жыл бұрын

Just recently got into thinking about grinder burrs with the Sculptor Kickstarter, and this does clarify a lot for me. I'm usually a darker roast kind of person favoring body, and wasn't quite sure about getting a flat burr grinder since I'd always hear them associated with light roasts and clarity. Sounds like on the Sculptor for example, if I take the S burrs with the pre-breakers, and use higher RPMs, that should be the path forward for preferring dark roasts and body?

@rohitppatil Жыл бұрын

What if you grind the same beans at different speeds on a variable speed grinder and then compare the percentage of fines, coarse and in between particles generated. Then brew an espresso with that grind and compare the taste profile against the spectrum you mentioned? 🙂

@rxonmymind8362 Жыл бұрын

Now someone needs to come out with a Flone burr. That'll solve everything.

@user-jm8ky1kn2t Жыл бұрын

Theres one in America where they use a cone burr prebreaker and a flat burr for final cuts. Supposedly is absolutely outstanding. I am honestly shocked to realize that Lance has never reviewed any of their grinders KafaTek Max. Very interesting company and grinders. VERY EXPENSIVE

@mulullama Жыл бұрын

I much prefer the idea of cat burrs Or Cat purrs.... too far?

@LuckyDragon289 Жыл бұрын

@@user-jm8ky1kn2t Only the MAX2 has the prebreaker; no older Monolith units (pre-March 2023) have this kind of design. Predating these newest Monoliths, the Versalab M4 grinder also uses a conical-flat hybrid system

@slvrbach Жыл бұрын

So... DRM burrs.. Been out for AWHILE!

@hoskoned Жыл бұрын

@@user-jm8ky1kn2tprobably because he's a man of the people and not reviewing the 1%ers

@replacement6386 Жыл бұрын

Loved how the sad song started when you began saying "in my experience bigger does not always mean better..." even if it wasn't on purpose, the editor needs a raise 🎉😂❤

@LuckyDragon289 Жыл бұрын

This was intensely nerdy but a really cool breakdown! Love these more technical-style videos. Would appreciate having chapters/timestamps where you address different topics, like RPM, teeth geometry, and size.

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

smart. I'll go through later and add them!

@matz4k Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick reminder

@Bulleht Жыл бұрын

The production value of every video is better then the one before. Great work Lance and crew!

@rcpmac Жыл бұрын

What? I keep waiting for some closeups of details that I can never really see even on my retina display 27" screen.

@Mihanik0 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Lance! Your videos are informative and interesting, nice to watch for recreation and science as well. You’re very enthusiastic about what you’re doing, please keep it going!

@Pudgeums316 Жыл бұрын

Lance, you are doing a stellar job! You and your production team have made these videos look more and more amazing everytime. Oh, and the content has continuously been helpful. Keep killing it!

@Mujahed0001 11 ай бұрын

I know I am deep in the coffee culture when I enjoy a deep dive into the geometry of burrs :) Thank you Lance for this video. Learned a ton from this video

@shawnewaltonify Жыл бұрын

Lance, thank-you for demystifying coffee. Your mastery of this is pushing the industry away from concepts like 'reserved,' and 'exclusive,' so that it can expand and be more popular; creating a bridge between commodity and specialty. I apologize for my hyper focus on the money being the barrier to entry. I realize now that just like the trajectory of the bicycle industry, the costs of performance always remain unshaken. Even once a consensus is established on what the minimum performance requirements are, and mass-production is achieved, making the sport/activity/hobby popular, and the barrier to entry is removed, this doesn't lower the costs those who are actually performing at medium and high levels. Decent bicycles still cost 1G. So you are right, the cults are the barrier to entry that get removed when gear is mass produced.

@bwint7234 8 ай бұрын

Holy cow. It's been a minute since I caught one of your videos and WOW have you upped your production value. I've always loved your insight and style, but it's cool to see the changes. keep up the awesome work!

@BruceChanen Жыл бұрын

OMG, my friend! That was a tour de force. Two of my strongest compliments are "elegant" and "illuminating"... this video was both. You elegantly identified and broke down the oversimplifications that have become a dreaded conventional wisdom about burr shapes and provided breathtaking illumination of the true subtle, complexity of the topic. Bravo, bravo. Damn, I had that wonderful feeling of becoming smarter as I watched.Thank you sir.

@lagunovmike Жыл бұрын

Really enjoy your demythologizing series. Keep it up Lance, you rock!

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

heck yeah! didn't think of it as a series, but maybe I need to make one!

@samueljung2165 Жыл бұрын

Im not putting any bias on any type. But Theoretically, - given exactly same stability and precision, larger burrs make more even ground particles plus less heat, longevity(which may not matter to the average consumers) and stuff. - Stability and precision is what matters the most for more even ground - flat burrs are A LOT “easier” to stabilize by design, but are more expensive, and tend to require a stronger motor. (same applies for larger burrs) - flat burrs tasting more balanced and refined means they are more evenly ground This is like sound system. A super balanced sound is not necessarily fun for everyone. Some like more bassy and with more treble. So it’s not a matter of supriority but of preference.

@miroslavk7298 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you for clarifying this tough topic so good and understandable.

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

thank you for watching and engaging!

@kyleg3433 Жыл бұрын

Been watching you since I started my espresso journey last year. I enjoy the depth of knowledge you share in your videos. My inner geek/analytical mind needs this level of detail. Looks like the editing is getting better as well!

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

heck yeah! thank you so much!

@NoZenith 5 ай бұрын

Pretty concise way of describing my sentiments as well. Thank you

@michaelwilliams5110 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for demythologizing, Lance! Love that. There’s too much myth in coffee

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

I hope it helps instead of just adding confusion to what people thought was black and white haha!

@precisionsoundworksstudio Жыл бұрын

Content, video quality, and editing are all ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ .. But... the "in the air" reverb you snuck in there... I cried laughing so much that I almost told you I was drowning!

@cade5400 Жыл бұрын

I was so surprised this video wasn’t 40-60 minutes when I saw the title 😂 Good job delivering a lot of value in a shorter amount of time 🙂

@elitebicycleracers 11 ай бұрын

This is one of your better technical videos, thank you.

@adele1295 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Lance! Lately I have been unhappy with my grinder for pour overs. I focused back on basic technique and it improved. Was still in market for upgrading grinder but your video was very helpful and made practical sense. I am going to play around with my 3 grinders, different coffees (and techniques) before making decision to get a new grinder.

@DecentraLife Жыл бұрын

Incredibly technical commentary regarding theory and concept, thanks~ personally just a hand-grinder so it is great to understand the benefit of clarity that can be gained from a more gradual grind.

@brentroman Жыл бұрын

Great video as always Lance. I’ve found that I myself couldn’t really tell someone the difference between flat and cone. This video was helpful. I don’t feel as bad now not really knowing.

@willmitchell8500 Жыл бұрын

also i really appreciate you doing this video, i think its such an important jump off step for a lot of folks

@coocooforcoffee4248 Жыл бұрын

Much love and respect ✊🏽 my man Lance 👏

@christianjohnson3205 Жыл бұрын

You are quality entertainment. That to me is above just informing me. Love it!

@claudius8002 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining the mechanics of griding. Would be interesting to see one or more videos on maintenance and cleaning for both the grinder and espresso machines

@fglogowski18 Жыл бұрын

I've needed this Video! Thanks a lot!

@andrewsmithty Жыл бұрын

amazing production quality!

@atzedevries9563 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Thanks for the explanation! Great two last videos on actually focus on coffee instead of the gear!

@ballentphoto Жыл бұрын

I am loving these PSA style videos. 🎉 letting people know there is more to grinders that cone vs flat.

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

heck yeah! Appreciate it!!!

@AlejandroPDX Жыл бұрын

Bold statements. Love it. Helping us with information to make our own informed decisions

@coffeecove7058 Жыл бұрын

This video was perfect timing as I am figuring out my end-game grinders, and I have been reading about burrs and grinders online. Was real happy to see this video and wouldn't mind more of them. This was insightful to me. Thank you very much.

@user-jp9js9th8o 6 ай бұрын

the best explanation so far - thank you!

@pserafei Жыл бұрын

Such a great video! You should have one hundred million subscribers

@TheCyclingCardio Жыл бұрын

Exactly the video I need before jumping on my first electric grinder

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

heck yeah! Love when serendipitous things happen

@georgegiannakopoulos6329 Жыл бұрын

Ok, this breakdown was really, really, I mean r e a l l y needed. This spectrum thing with your hands... couldn't anyone else have done it before? I have a feeling that this video - or its essence at least - is going to be discussed for years to come. The like button is not enough in this case. My hat is off...

@tagheuer02 Жыл бұрын

The whole high end coffee market is hilarious. People hang on every word of reviews but the vast majority of people cant tell the difference between grinders, let alone burr styles, in a blind taste test. Congrats to Lance for admitting that people are really only gaining 5 to 10 percent improvement on quality by buying $1,000 plus grinders...the vast majority of this is marketing, confirmation bias and general nonsense. At the end of the day, grinders are very simple mechanical devices with a motor, a decent burr set, a hopper, etc. Once you spend $500 to $1000, its all pretty comparable and the "improvements" are subtle, negligible and cannot be objectively quantified

@s73v36 8 ай бұрын

@tagheuer02 you sound a little bitter. Try adjusting your grinding more coarse. Honestly though 1k for 10% is a good deal if you love coffee and drink it daily. Cars, motorbikes, girls all cost more than 1K to go faster😅

@tagheuer02 8 ай бұрын

@s73v36 not at all. My point is you can get all these features for half the price this guy is quoting

@CoffeeAndSmoke23 8 ай бұрын

@@tagheuer02I have to agree..At a certain point you start to get diminished returns..I have had a few grinders and espresso machines ranging from "cheap" to mid level and I couldn't tell enough of a difference in taste to justify the price gaps..For instance I had at one time a Rocky,a Breville SGP and a Vario W..Now I liked the fluff of the grinds and the texture that the Vario produces,but the workflow wasn't as good as the SGP,not to mention the Vario just could not grind light roast beans and it eventually broke the transmission where the SGP had no issues at all and is still going and is more than half the price..Maybe its me and I know taste is completely subjective,but when I hear someone say that they taste notes of white Jasmine and nectar from a coffee,I just have to laugh because how many people even know what "white Jasmine" tastes like ? I usually get "well your pallette isnt as advanced" and maybe so,but I have never tasted anything from a coffee bean other than coffee flavor..Sure you can have a sweeter taste or bitter etc but never have I ever tasted a coffee and was like "you know what this taste like bubblegum and juniper" lol...

@gg.6967 7 ай бұрын

@@s73v36, anything north of 100 bucks will get you there if you make progress in daily practice and not Turkish or espresso users . But just curious how does one get bitter over a coffee grinder that cost 10000 dollars and what does any of this lifestyle nonsense have to do with learning about coffee brewing . If I were to win a billionaire lottery I still wouldn’t spend 100000 on a coffee ☕️ grinder yet I’d probably still like you if you did😊.

@tzkabir 7 ай бұрын

@@tagheuer02outta interest, what would you say is the best bang for buck grinder before you go to diminishing gains

@pitno716 Жыл бұрын

Great video and very interesting topic to cover, keep it up!

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

thank you! Hope it was helpful!

@grumstolen555 Жыл бұрын

Hey Lance! Would you be interested in making a video going into the different coffee regions around the world and what characterizes them? It would be awesome to learn a bit more about different coffees, making it easier to shop in stores and online. It would be perfect as a follow up to "care about the beans, not always the gear"

@househunt5175 5 ай бұрын

Sure if you pay his plane fare.

@justy234 Жыл бұрын

Great video Lance! I'd love to see a video on the best grinders for a shots that are more traditional/darker roast/chocolate etc

@t0nyxgq 7 ай бұрын

I’m finally done with audio gear and watching this video makes me think I’m going down the same rabbit hole in coffee gear. However, I do drink coffee everyday where as I don’t listen to my audio gear everyday.

@IanLandesman Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the insights Lance! I wish I had known some of these things before spending $1K+, BUT I am grateful to know more now before I spend even more. I will enjoy my current set up for what it is =)

@JoseCinnamon Жыл бұрын

Ok this has been the best burr lesson of my whole life

@AlexZapata- Жыл бұрын

Man I love this! Credit to the team its amazing!

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

thank you! compliments to the chef

@kylefurness11 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant, as always.

@TheRealSwidi Жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying the issue.

@mdavis300 Жыл бұрын

Great video Lance, Nerdy but not deep engineer level. I appreciate you explaining how the burrs work with the different stages of teeth to crush and cut the coffee. I have multiple flat and conical grinders. They all have different taste profiles which fall throughout the spectrum. I agree with you that burr design plays bigger role in taste then just flat vs cone. With the 64mm grinder platform you have huge range of burrs and people can pick the taste profile they want with custom installed burrs.

@TheGrelots Жыл бұрын

Thank you for bringing light to how geometry influences distribution!

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

absolutely! Hope it was helpful

@oskarfreiman Жыл бұрын

Love the slurp jingle! Subscribed!

@diskordionista Жыл бұрын

Whew, was looking forward to this!

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

hope you enjoy it!

@jacoblund7231 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff. Would be interesting with a video comparing conical and flat bottomed brewers!

@eivindvikhagen6087 Жыл бұрын

Damn. You did good, son. I learned heaps. Thanks.

@lolcat23 Жыл бұрын

Im still holding on to that timemore pledge, i've got 10 days to decide.This was a good preparation video for when watching the review videos of the timemore 78s

@zacp96 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for clarifying that bigger does not equal better

@user-ns4em5sk9b 10 ай бұрын

I love your stuff. Keep on👍

@calvintran8691 Жыл бұрын

most informative video and very honest about burr vs flat.

@chrishutchins8448 Жыл бұрын

Wow, great information!

@WTFA54 Жыл бұрын

This is a great breakdown of how the burrs actually function and I think brings some valuable nuance to the discussion of conical vs flat burrs! But now I'm left wondering: My plan was always to get a decent conical burr grinder and a decent flat burr grinder to have some diversity in the flavor profiles different brew methods can get out of a given bean. I've settled on a Baratza Preciso that I've serviced and cleaned up and swapped some new M2 burrs in for my conical grinder and I was going to try out the Timemore Sculptor 064S as my flat burr grinder. But will they REALLY produce a different enough cup profile to make it worth having both of them?

@coldblue42 Жыл бұрын

Lance! Such good info 👍 You should help develop an aftermarket burr set for the Breville grinders. They would benefit greatly from your knowledge

@P-K-P Жыл бұрын

My only extensive personal experience is the comparison between the italimill stainless steel and the ssp cast lab in my df64p. I liked the stock burrs but had issues with sourness in light roasts. With the cast burrs I have completely eliminated sourness excluding dial in shots. Mt brief experience with a handgrinder isn't fair because I was using sub standard beans at the time, but the shots tended to be thicker (probably more due to robusta % in the beans).

@markholm7050 Жыл бұрын

Hey Lance, Let me make a suggestion that has nothing to do with my recent comments about centrifugal force. I wonder if variations in particle size distribution between grinders may have a lot to do with the structure of the grinder body. I observe that when I use my Baratza Encore, the hopper moves around quite a bit while grinding. Its not screwing and unscrewing, it just wiggles. It has done this since new. On the Encore, the hopper serves three purposes: 1. Hopper, 2. Burr spacing adjustment, 3. Ring burr hold down. I suspect the hopper is moving because the ring burr is moving. (What else could it be?) If the ring burr moves during grinding, that changes the ring burr to cone burr spacing, and that probably changes the size of grinds that pass through. Perhaps a factor in more expensive grinders producing tighter particle size distribution is that more expensive grinders tend to have more robust, often metallic rather than plastic construction. How much of tighter particle size distribution is down to rigid construction that keeps the burrs from bouncing around?

@thamtham4924 Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought for a long time, lot of this come down to the designed chamber, exit chute, …… so many factors influence the ground. I guess lot of grinder cause regrind and hence change in distribution.

@mattgraham4340 14 күн бұрын

I've started weighing the hopper down with my hand during grinding. Don't know if it helps, but in my mind it does

@precisionsoundworksstudio Жыл бұрын

I havent watched yet, but ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ for using Demythologizing in the title! 🙌🏻

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

thank you! hope you enjoy when you get around to it!

@precisionsoundworksstudio Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick Loved it. Fantastic!

@joshuarumbaoajg Жыл бұрын

bro i just came for the burr talk and now i'm down the rabbit hole of boethius' conceptualization of eternity

@full_metal2452 6 ай бұрын

All you have to do to grind light roast beans on a Breville is slow feed them. Or just pre grind at a coarser setting then refeed them on final grind.

@ardeleanalex6918 Жыл бұрын

Damn Lance, you are crushing it with this videos! Got it? No? Ok…..

@wakeawaken430 Жыл бұрын

Me after watching this video: "I need one more grinder for my setup"

@Guips96 Жыл бұрын

I see you teasing us with this video, just because the Timemore Sculptor one is coming next 👀

@macht4turbo Жыл бұрын

Interesting point on temperature with conical burrs. I much prefer a 70° or lower drinking temperature with my JX. I don't even bother drinking it right after brewing and i'm much happier with the result since i do that. Lower temp provides a good body with a balanced acidity, at least for my taste.

@markdalton3834 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Lance for bringing back the Cone Heads! -SNL

@edgarpoureshagh6023 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking about this as I was contemplating getting a new grinder for drip/pourover. I'm able to get a lot of clarity from my 1zpresso hand grinder... so I've been thinking it's more related to how the beans are fed through... which seems to be confirmed by your statements here. It's the feed rate and cutting surface area. While I'm happy with my conical burrs, I ended up chosing the Timemore 64 because I like the idea of having multiple interchangeable burrs

@hosegooseman5 Жыл бұрын

What I take of all this is what essentially everything boils down in this crazy journey: TASTE; and each individual one is what really matters. No doubt you can have a general idea and some guidance from groups or people like you Lance or Hoffman or Rao, etc, but until you can try for yourself, there’s no way to know for sure. The best someone can do in my opinion is to get it as close as possible, base on personal preference and then adjust/change if need it. At least this is an honest opinion without the push of a particular type of product and that to me is more important. Saludos!!!

@blechnik 11 ай бұрын

thanks a lot for this video! i am trying to understand what causes the differences between conicals and flats, and as you described, it cant be said in general but its more a fuction of the burrs crushing and cutting geometry. Have you found any literature on what features on the cutting surface will give which result in the (espresso-) cup? I also noticed in a lot of forums and also your video on the niche zero, that conicals should be run at lower rpms to reduce fines First, why is that? And second, does this apply to all conicals regardless of size? Or is it more a fuction of the "cutting speed" or circumferential speed of the burrs? this would result in a higher optimal speed for smaller burrs than for bigger burrs, but would not make sence when one looks at the much higher speeds that flats (wich mostly larger outer diameter than conicals) are run at.

@Julianofcald Жыл бұрын

Hey Lance! Excellent video.. Illuminating our minds. Thanks! Ps: are you reviewing any new ECM machine or just using it for testing/marketing purposes? I am testing a Classika PID since last month and I am enjoying it. I only miss a rotary pump for more silent espresso :) Regards!

@michaeltrujillo9092 Жыл бұрын

I favorite Burr is still Bill!

@mikni4069 Жыл бұрын

Nice walk through, however the EK is not just a spice grinder it has always been used for coffee as it could come in both spice and grain configurations. They had them in smaller shops all across northern europe etc. for years before Rao even mentioned it.

@darrenk7393 Жыл бұрын

I’m in the biopharm industry and we use pin mills to grind product to very accurate tolerances, pin milling is infinitely better than the burr tech used in grinders, it provides micron based uniformity. I am surprised there has not been more trickle down and exploration of this tech to the coffee industry as this would solve coffee grinder.

@mr.ricochet8603 Жыл бұрын

I looked into it, seems like pin mills literally "crush" the materials by sheer force... the studs in them have no "blade", sure, the geometry allows wonderful particle distribution, but to break coffee (especially light roasted) without any "blade" you would need impressive motors inside a grinder, not to mention manual...in the end it would have to resemble an industrial machine (big to fit the motor and built like a tank to withstand the torque)

@Altesbrotvonaldi Жыл бұрын

Additionally, there is a turning point to the taste of coffe with too much uniformity. Having perfectly uniform grounds could make the coffee taste worse. I think the channel Kaffeemacher tested this.

@BigBenAdv 10 ай бұрын

Pin mills use screens to ensure the uniformity actually - it's not that the pins/ studs actually do crush to that amount of uniformity required for pharma/ bio use, it's the screens that help with it.

@KorokIV Жыл бұрын

One question is, can tilting the grinder at a 45 degree angle handheld help with clarity? I have a C40MK4 that I used briefly for 078 for a week, and I am currently looking for a grinder that offers more clarity, separation, and is otherwise competent, so your video was very helpful to me.

@coenwouters6808 Жыл бұрын

I think this alligns with a lot of things in life. You could make an easy transition to people loving a specific brand of cars without any justification. And even popular brands have shitty cars from time to time. Some of the bias already comes from the fact that people know a specific grinder (be it conical or flat) and know how it behaves. As soon as they try the same bean on a different grinder, because they want to see if the grass is greener with the other burr type, that they do not know the grinder and therefore are biased to their own experience. I used both conical (hand and electric) and flat burr grinders and after dialing in they all taste great. But which one is better? I still don't know!! And there probably is no right answer. Part of this ongoing discussion is fueled by mankind always wanting more, nowadays everybody always wants more (I'm no exception 🙈). Thank you for making this valuable content Lance!! Love most of it, and i like everything ;)

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

this is a very accurate comment. Well put!!!

@B0K1T0 Жыл бұрын

18:12 made my day again 🤣

@LM-ur7hp 6 ай бұрын

I love your vocabulary man I’m no one but I’m being genuine

@MrFredrictai Жыл бұрын

Burr ninja brings us back to the basics of burr!!

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

too many questions so had to make sure we know what is smoke blowing and what isnt! Separate the wheat from the chaff!

@144avery Жыл бұрын

Making burr education mainstream. Love it!

@ciruscoffee4290 Жыл бұрын

Great explanations! For my expérience my conical hand grinder produce more clarity than my flat grinder eureka mignon

@TomJones-tx7pb Жыл бұрын

I have a Niche Duo on order. I look forward to comparing it to my Niche Zero on a daily basis. BTW Lance I seem to remember many videos you did where you talked generically about burr types. I was generally unconvinced by such statements. However, I have made wheat flour in many different grinders, and nothing compares to my large ceramic flat burr grinder with a large powerful motor that grinds slowly with minimal heat generation. I would imagine that how coffee beans are roasted and stored is a major variable in the outcome with different coffee grinders.

@replacement6386 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I would like to know if any other physicists in the chat were dying about the centrifugal force part? XD

@jerms24k 6 ай бұрын

Not a professional physicist, but I was looking for this comment. Lol

@2s_company_ Жыл бұрын

Yay! Awesome video! Good debate to settle

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

hope it is helpful and not more confusing!

@2s_company_ Жыл бұрын

No one can put it clearer than you do! I love it

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

appreciate you, friend!

@2s_company_ Жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed the learning and the science up until now but it clearly made me bark up the wrong tree by chasing gear. I'm now ready to tune out and enjoy coffee by just exploring different beans. It's easier said than done but I'ma try my best.

@LanceHedrick Жыл бұрын

yes! that's good. Enjoy what you have and get obsessed over water and cultivating the taste of the coffee in your cubbard

@philgoogle1535 Жыл бұрын

I have a NZ for 4 years now and just ordered a ND. 3 burr sets should cover most bases😎

@daddyov2 Жыл бұрын

Perfect timing for me, a Lagom Mini owner who has backed the Timemore 064S

@susandavidson5357 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. I have a very inadequate grinder set- up that i would like to upgrade. KZfaq videos have been a great resource (don't do Facebook, not gonna). BUT, I'm a civil engineer. Not a geotech, but there are so many similarities with soul mechanics! I find myself just wanting to see particle size distibution curves! That would be a start. Linking distribution parameters to flavour profile would be the second, more challenging, step. Thanks for giving some ideas on that. Wish we had access to coffee tastings in the same way that wine and beer tastings are held..... In the meantime while i try to learn more, im using my low-end conical grinder to coarse grind the beans and then "finishing" in my low- end hand grinder to get something fine enough for espresso on a medium roast. Also tried compacting in lifts for all you engineers out there....

@genericgymvlogsph9739 Жыл бұрын

That intro was so slick man! You remind me of the legend Jack Black!

@BensCoffeeRants Жыл бұрын

The Jack Black of Coffee.

@JusBThankful Жыл бұрын

Since conical hand grinders have the ability to produce great filter coffee, if something like say, a Kafatek MC was reduced to an extremely low RPM, would the results be similar, is there something to hand power that vs a continual mechanically drive. grind speed that naturally produces less fines?

@iloverussh Жыл бұрын

May I ask something about adjusting grind setting? Do we adjust the dial while purging or should we first turn the grind adjustment before purging? Coz my colleague and I were discussing which approach can have less coffee wastage(purge), consistent and quick grind adjustment result in maintaining smooth operation. Thank you so much!

@HwakJustin Жыл бұрын

Does burr size matter significantly for manual grinders? for instance, Comandante is coming up with c60. I'm wondering how the burr size for manual grinds will transition to flavour or taste profile. It'd be fire if you can do a video on this subject.

@The_Catman_Dont Жыл бұрын

Nice vid Lance. Appreciate you always attacking the dogmas

@davebesansonoriginals9932 Жыл бұрын

So, is a rally chocolatey tasting shot considered “muddy and undefined”? I have an older Ceado e6p with the stock flat burrs. I still love this grinder, but fined some very different results based on beans themselves. I obviously have to dial in each bean, but certain beans are very chocolate while others are very acid and bright with a fair amount of clarity (based on my pallets understanding, lol!) am I wrong in feeling that I receive vetting result from different beans or is it a combination of my lack in skill of dialing in plus the difference in roast, origin, elevation, etc.? Just feel a little unclear on this a times. Looking to understand these things better in order to improve myself. I also take into account brew temp and time duration when pulling a shot. I know all these factors play a role in the end result of a shot. Just trying my best to maximize my knowledge, application and improve my overall skill level. Am we off in my thinking or comprehension? Thanks for any input in advance, I appreciate it.

@zhalk7325 8 ай бұрын

"Bigger is not better; bigger means more potential".

@erikkitvisets213 Жыл бұрын

Where does the option-o lagom mini stand? Especially the moonshine burrs, they are meant for more clarity profiles. How does it stand against flat burrs that are designed for clarity? Is it far away and is quite “chocolaty” or is it more “tea” like. Thanks for answers!

@nvalley 11 ай бұрын

One thing that might be nice for the misophonics is a timestamp in the description for when the slurps are over so they can hop over it without having to guess

@Marco-mn9sg Жыл бұрын

And the next masterpiece! Amazing detailed content and stunning quality! I would be interested in a comparing video for the different SSP burrs and your tasting thoughts. Would appreciate it on the EK43s and your alignment process ☺️

@NoZenith 5 ай бұрын

Super happy with my Niche zero. The absolute unparalleled ease of use and cleanliness paired with the reliably consistent grind produces excellent results in my Bambino Plus and I had no learning curve with either. I do think I'm going to either modify my NFC disc or get another one that has more holes in it off etsy otherwise my setup is perfect for me