Yeah it's literally one of the top comments on here for some reason.

the problem with rogues is people don't crank their audio up, if you hear some shit and don't see anything be prepared to be in a clip if you push that direction.

Right? Ths dudes killing Timmy's and thinks it proves his point lmao. "Durr a invisi potion turns you into a rogue!"

because he plays wizard so everything 2 taps him

Not only he plays wizard, he plays wizard AGGRESIVELY, that means pushing and forcing fights for content and then complaining about the outcome is crazy delusional. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater of Spud, I like the guy, but some of his thoughts are not backed up by evidence at all.@@itsalwaysswordfish6433

That dude is a moron and annoying.

@@itsalwaysswordfish6433Like you said I thinks Wizards complaining about Rogues makes sense when they get two-tapped by everyone so it feels even worse when it's unexpected

Because the play style is encouraged by like everything in rouges kit lol. Like at least to play like this as a barb you need invisibility potion.

Agreed, Hide needs to made into a tool that is helpful for picking your fights but not as a tool that helps win fights, at least to the degree it helps now. Its hard to say how to do that though. I seen people suggest preventing the rogue from attacking for a moment after coming out of hide, much like TF2's spy, but I feel like that isn't the most elegant solution. What if Hide applied a sizable speed penalty that lingered a little after coming out of it but didn't break upon moving. Makes it a more flexible sneaking tool, basically giving them the Stealth perk with infinite steps, but also makes it almost impossible to stick on someone if you try to landmine with it.

My suggestion was to make hide only work in shadows, so anyone with a lightsource can flush them out. It's called hide and should hide you, it's not a spell of invisibility.

@@mauzilus Fair, but how dark does it need to be? make it too harsh and the only use it has is to remove your silhouette from a light behind you, but make it too forgiving and it doesn't actually solve the problem as the only time it matter is if the defender already knows the rogue is there

@@mauzilus this would be my go-to suggestion but it would probably take an absurd amount of work for just one ability so sadly I don't see it happening which is a shame because it could make laterns actually viable/useful for obvious reasons

I think the best way to nerf hide is make the noise when you enter hide loud like drinking an invis pot &/or add the after image wizards have in their invis to every step a rogue takes in stealth. Almost every class already has rogue counters, making it so torches are a hard counter would effectively kill the class. Which ig is what some people want considering how indifferent we are to barbs and rangers yet still talking about nerfing the lowest hp & dmg class in the game

He was the Warlock, I said hi in his twitch chat afterwards lol

What do you mean, Rogue is a re-skin of fighter, but with invis?

even if you dont face tank them you still die lol, I've been attempted landmined as barb, I have 200hp and they need to hit me 6 times, I only need to hit them 1-2 times

god this community is so toxic lol. r u ok jared? the way u said that seems very aggravated 😂

Landmine isn't a term originating from Dark and Darker you know? Its use started in other games, which don't have invis.

I disagree. I'm going to tell you right now it's easy to point out issues and 1000x harder to solve them. I will put it this way when you think of rogue you think o it must have stealth because that is the class identity so they obviously want to keep that. Stealth makes it very difficult to balance and always will.

Nah man, rogues should be able to invis and then 2 shot any class and do all of that in under 2 seconds. Bring back the days of lobbies that are 80% rogues. Those were fun days!

​@@josephk6136 rogues was fine before the last wave of nerf people just cry about any class they die too

first of all, if you watched the video for man than 1 second, you would see that his barbarian who isn't even running a movespeed build, is getting 321 movespeed with their weapon out, additionally, burst damage is always stronger than dps would you rather deal 300 damage in 5 hits, or 200 damage in one

@@user-ho8jl5fe5i First of all your comment is misleading, 321 mvspd from a shout when fighters can get faster from sprint, and rogues have that shit on a green kit. Secondly burst damage isn't stronger than dps, dps wins fights at the higher gear levels vs burst every time. If you're dying to burst you probably have no mid-melee movement. Are we supposed to buff rogues everytime another class is broken? Like i fully admit barb is broken but its a joke if rogue players really think they need a buff because other classes are stronger than them. (and not even stronger by much)

I mean I think rouges are in a bad spot but it's pretty disinguioius to not mention the fact that a Green castilion can out dps legendary weapons

There's an easier way to say that you don't play rogue.

@@samaldacamel8003I do that’s how I know this, I’m pathfinder on rogue, barb, fighter and ranger.

Rogues get nerfed every patch and haven't had any pressure in the game since they nerfed daggers/hide and you can play nearly any other class and have a better time it isn't skewing stats the stats show rogues suck

@@DarksideMercs the patch before the rouge nerfs rouges 2 tapped pdr fighters, they have always had pressure in the game especially before this recent nerf

@@user-ho8jl5fe5i better geared rogues vs less geared fighters is a bad example every class should be able to kill each other nobody bat's an eye when barbs/fighters/warlocks/rangers/ or clerics have 1 shot builds which has been the case for numerous patches but everyone cries as soon as they die to a rogue who stabbed them 4 times before they reacted to them and then get mad they couldn't land the 1 hit that would have won them the fight

Could say the same about fighter imo

@@samaldacamel8003 and I would agree, but at least with fighters you hear/see them coming which I would argue is less frustrating

Well, lets see. Wizard has light orb and can precast magic missiles to kill you since if u dont use a inv pot ur gonna be orbed, and with pot u dont get ambush to kill em in time. So u need to relegate a bunch of dmg for cutthroat to bother with a good wiz. Slayers absolutely outdps, outtank and outrun rogues. Rangers dont move around so u cant ambush them, cept in trios where they are always behind the frontline but its a fair pick still. Cept for if they have shotgun... Barbs are too tanky and onetap you and all barbs run high ms now so u cant outrun them without sacrificing too much dmg. Warlocks just phantomize, if they get a tick on you you are not able to invis and are half dead. Again needing to relegate a whole perk to killing them and even then dark reflect is gonna chunk half your hp and they build hella ms while having healing ticks. Pdr fighter simply swings at you, u wont kill them in time. Bards are definitely faster, have the same or better dps with better range. Clerics, again too tanky to burst and smite onetaps rogue. And other rogues are just a statcheck. So rogues get a semi favorable matchup against ranger IF u can get close and IF they dont run shotgun. And a good matchup against wiz and warlock IF you delegate a ability to cutthroat and the wizard still has to fuck up. Il not saying rogue has to be op 2stabbing again, but rn he does suck ass. Compared to classes like barb on ms build or bard on dmg, he really obly has the 10 steps of invis movement over them.

Barbarian is absolutely faster than Rogue for about 6 seconds with Rage. They also have Achilles Strike which reduces movement speed by 30% for 2.5 seconds. Even if they have a Viking Sword, they are still faster than the average Rogue for 6 seconds even if the Rogue has nothing equipped.

​@PHARMAKOKINETIK_ just run away, play around it

Smoke bomb and caltrops is what you need to counter , i just all i say , even with achilles strike , they can't outspace you if you have those@@NoHoEric

barbarian is the fastest class in the game. this is an out of touch comment

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