New Railgun AI Drones Are Devastating - Space Engineers

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New Railgun AI Drones are Devastating. The new update automatons has allowed players to build some super powerful weapons. Today we are looking at building a long range loitering mini railgun drone.
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@kerbalairforce8802
@kerbalairforce8802 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a custom turret on a large ship that you can cut loose, and it becomes a drone.
@Dynioglowy1986
@Dynioglowy1986 Жыл бұрын
Your idea + nanobot mod gonna give my Battleship without a hangar a drone launching system . I know how to 3d print my turrets so this is possible thx !
@Dynioglowy1986
@Dynioglowy1986 Жыл бұрын
and now im thinking of detaching my side main engines and turn them in to mini frigates
@badblinco
@badblinco Жыл бұрын
Been tethering a drone to a ship to to make longer range turrets
@Rooxon
@Rooxon Жыл бұрын
If we can talk mods, the laser shields would work for a while. At least long enough for you to depoly a counter-offensive. Non-modded, maybe you need to build a custom railgun turret with like at least 6 actual railguns on it so you can fire them consecutively while you wait on each previous to reload, which you best pilot manually. Your own targeting will probably be superior to the AI targeting - you'll stop them sooner than they'll destroy your base.
@aceprograms3
@aceprograms3 Жыл бұрын
i was thinking of a ship that could split into multiple parts and act as shields for the cockpit or turrets
@spacetoastgaming2006
@spacetoastgaming2006 Жыл бұрын
I find that small large grid artillery drones are the most effective, faster load time, decently cheap ammo and still cheap to produce, only real way to fight it is with your own defensive drones or incredible aim
@LastStandGamers
@LastStandGamers Жыл бұрын
Agreed, I hope we can come up with some more effective ways to counter them.
@ssnope181
@ssnope181 Жыл бұрын
would be real cool if there was a directional amp to disable ships with only a small energy supply. then you could make a defensive grid with them
@roberine7241
@roberine7241 Жыл бұрын
@@ssnope181 sounds like something op to mount on a bunch of drones. just disable all ships in a group while a second group of drones takes it out. disabling ships sounds op.
@spacetoastgaming2006
@spacetoastgaming2006 Жыл бұрын
@@ssnope181 definitely would be a bit buggy, as well as not allowed on some servers, but if that one target dummy glitch still works, might be able to use that in a similar way
@DukeVictory
@DukeVictory Жыл бұрын
@@ssnope181 you could make it so it lowers energy output of reactors hit with it, have a "shielding component" that's heavy enough so it's not realistic to use it on a drone as small as that and still have it float (just brainstorming)
@daniellclary
@daniellclary Жыл бұрын
I like the fact that it really hinges how well something is designed and programed that allows a ship to have a superior edge or not. So often its just bigger ship always wins.
@party4lifedude
@party4lifedude Жыл бұрын
I was really hoping that this would mix up the meta. I think it's boring when we have everything figured out and there is only one way everyone does things. We need new challenges to engineer around and diversify the battlefield and tactics. Of course you can afford to be a lot more creative PvE than PvP, so it will be interesting to see how people work with these new option in their single player or co-op survival against Assert or the reavers.
@smokecrash2147
@smokecrash2147 Жыл бұрын
@Mark Mowadeeb I think that's because the drones haven't been set up correctly. Their targeting is likely set to "default" (firing at basically any functional block) instead of "weapons"
@sethdrake7551
@sethdrake7551 Жыл бұрын
definitely, especially when looking at these glass-cannon type builds it really seems to come down to which drones have the better targeting, coordination, and evasion
@ethanwright7111
@ethanwright7111 Жыл бұрын
I'll be perfectly honest, I've been waiting for something like this for a long time. I'm a bit of a solo player, and the biggest problem I've always had is my inability to have multiple ships on my side. I like using swarm tactics, but that's been impossible for me until now. I have always dreamed of vast swarms of drones on my single carrier to multiply my firepower, and now it is a possibility. I really hope servers don't start banning these kind of weapons, as they add a whole new level of combat to the game. As for countering them, I think a new class of ship will be developed, a fighter sized vessel with much heavier cockpit protection and several gatling turrets. My guess is that the fighters in this scenario did so badly because of primarily missile based weaponry and no turrets. A ship with 4 or more gatlings would be more than capable of ripping these small drones apart.
@little_lord_tam
@little_lord_tam Жыл бұрын
More than capable is wrong. ECM is, as of now, hillariously Op. Luckily people in SE are still traditional, even using outdated nautic terms. However I wouldnt depend on enemies using outdated assault tactics. Multilayerd combat is since the update the strongest, we are just lucky engineers arent strategists so they understand that concept rather slow, however sooner or later it will be standart among PvP players. Btw I have no idea how to defeat ECM and it makes fighting small grid drones near impossible.
@mustafao09008
@mustafao09008 Жыл бұрын
@@little_lord_tam These drones actually make small grid, player controlled fighters viable. Like you would need them to take these out.
@little_lord_tam
@little_lord_tam Жыл бұрын
@@mustafao09008 TV Guided missiles and high mobility remote controlled minigun fighters are now Indeed your best bet at taking out drones
@mustafao09008
@mustafao09008 Жыл бұрын
@@little_lord_tam Man I love this update. The introduction of these drones will really spice up combat, which was very stagnant for a while.
@little_lord_tam
@little_lord_tam Жыл бұрын
@@mustafao09008 I love it
@onenerdyboi
@onenerdyboi Жыл бұрын
If you put an ai block and a gyroscope on a custom turret instead of the custom turret block you can have 2000m automated railgun turrets. You just need to balence the center of mass so the gyroscope can rotate it. I made a large grid one, and a small grid ball turret with the railguns opperating accurately at maximum range. Same goes for artillary and every other +800m weapon. Its stupidly easy to make work and would offer a perfect defence for these types of strategies
@onenerdyboi
@onenerdyboi Жыл бұрын
Also, you can make the ai blocks track players instead of grids and it will snipe whatever controll seat player ships are opperating from
@Thiloyeah
@Thiloyeah 8 ай бұрын
Can't imagine this but sounds a little overpowered.
@Zero747_
@Zero747_ Жыл бұрын
Counter with railgun turrets of your own for defense. In a pitched battle, high speed drones with machine guns is probably what you want, if not your own railgun drones. Given that the railgun drones are tiny squishy things with next to no armor, they'd be crippled by cheap machinegun fire As for defense, people already like burying their bases underground/in asteroids, so aside from exterior defenses, you can still have a turret gauntlet with strictly controlled engagement range (or there's the safe zone shields)
@roberine7241
@roberine7241 Жыл бұрын
high speed drones with machineguns sounds like a good idea given how well the hydrogen powered fighters avoided railgun fire.
@blak4831
@blak4831 Жыл бұрын
I've also seen people using the defense AI to provide turrets with a target lock well outside the normal 800m. Remote artillery/anti-air emplacements space about 1-2km from your base (with early warning beacons to boot) would, if nothing else, keep these at a distance long enough for interceptors to engage
@brilobox2
@brilobox2 Жыл бұрын
Purely static defenses is always a bad idea anyway. Need patrols or a fence is useless.
@Haywilly
@Haywilly Жыл бұрын
The early warning beacons have a range of 2.5 km so if we want to maximize this we’d place it 2.5 km from the base and at these “lighthouses” they can launch drones of there own. Assuming everyone is moving at 100 m/s those drones would take 12.5 seconds to intercept (not including launch time and assuming offensive force is moving at 100 m/s) and even if there were no defensive drones and the attacking force didn’t stop to take out the lighthouse, it would give the defending base 50 seconds of early warning which can be very useful in a fight and give enough time to launch defensive fighters
@georgea5991
@georgea5991 Жыл бұрын
I basically make a box with six fixed gatlings and call it a drone. Fast as hell, looks like the perfect decoys in this situation.
@ericevans9186
@ericevans9186 Жыл бұрын
AI radar using a 2.5k intercept with groups of standard assault cannon turrets or custom turrets with other long range weapons could in theory blow them to hell as the drones get into the engagement area.
@LastStandGamers
@LastStandGamers Жыл бұрын
Its import to remember that these drones back away from attackers to maintain there 1400 distance. But I agree turrets and custom turrets on ships is the way to take them down fast if you get close enough.
@Nurhaal
@Nurhaal Жыл бұрын
@@LastStandGamers I think he'd refering to the AI Radar build that uses the event controller as a RADAR Fire Control / Director. You can automate interceptors or long range custom turrets with such a system and shoot at the drones well before they come within 1.4k distance.
@wesleynetcher5369
@wesleynetcher5369 Жыл бұрын
@@LastStandGamers I agree with Eric and Nurhaal. The AI radar build can find enemy at 2.5km and can launch a swarm of small gattling armed drones
@CommanderManMan
@CommanderManMan Жыл бұрын
A big problem with se is speed caps. It makes good acceleration only marginally worse then great acceleration
@Max-nd1kv
@Max-nd1kv Жыл бұрын
​@@CommanderManMan there is a mod for that
@fellysmarts4576
@fellysmarts4576 Жыл бұрын
Combat blocks work on unmanned stations too. Shoot those drones down before they get into range.
@party4lifedude
@party4lifedude Жыл бұрын
You can use the defense blocks on your base to trigger events when they detect a ship within 2 kilometers. Like sounding the red alert and retracting the solar array and activating the turrets. I think you could even have 3 different defense blocks to activate 3 different protocols depending on if it detects characters or small grids or large grids, so the response can be threat-specific.
@user-vp9lc9up6v
@user-vp9lc9up6v Жыл бұрын
I don't play SE but I have been following it recently, something to balance this new "meta" out would be the integration of electronic warfare, sensors, and of course a rework of countermeasures which has the potential to really make this game interesting beyond who can print drones the fastest
@Runix1
@Runix1 Жыл бұрын
From The Depths does sensors and countermeasures really well. Something along those lines would be awesome to see in SE.
@VincentHermes
@VincentHermes Жыл бұрын
Im looking forward to SE2
@blak4831
@blak4831 Жыл бұрын
@@Runix1 I hope they go for this, the current attack behaviors do feel very FtD so if that was an inspiration for them I expect we'll get sensor/aimpoint mechanics soon enough
@yetanother9127
@yetanother9127 Жыл бұрын
A sensors and signals update would be awesome. I'd love to be able to switch off my radar and rely on passive sensors to avoid detection, or broadcast fake IFF signals to make me seem like a member of another faction, or build fighters with radar warning receivers so they can tell if an enemy radar has locked onto them, or stuff like that.
@no3ironman11100
@no3ironman11100 Жыл бұрын
@@Runix1 Unexpected but welcome from the depths reference. FTD is much more combat focused though so it'd be hard to push for so much into SE.
@Jalbesbe
@Jalbesbe Жыл бұрын
Underground decoy rings stop this from being an issue. You space the rings out just a bit from the base and the railgun drones will target them instead as it is a closer target. Railguns are also pretty bad at breaking voxels making it hard for them to even hit the decoys underground. So a very good bullet sponge stopping basically all AI based combat, forcing any player attacking you to have to take manual control.
@Agora2021
@Agora2021 Жыл бұрын
Don't know about how effective the AI can be, watching that fight at the end, but it makes some pretty awesome cinematic battles for the background.
@TehNoobiness
@TehNoobiness Жыл бұрын
tbh I think the last example went way better for the fighters than should be expected, given the numbers advantage and that the actual objective was to damage the towers most of those fighters made it through their first bombing run, so you could optimize their payload for that
@Comicsluvr
@Comicsluvr Жыл бұрын
I can see some huge changes in tactics. Imagine if the first couple of drones are just decoys? They can be set to circle at extreme range to draw off enemy fire while the next wave come straight in to attack. If you mix in some missile/suicide drones and make them all look the same, it would be crazy confusing!
@steeldarling5116
@steeldarling5116 8 ай бұрын
And now I'm imagining Orion's Arm style autowars in Space Engineers. Imagine an autonomous mining/printing drone that just flies around, mining minerals and printing these things off.
@mindlessmrawesome
@mindlessmrawesome Жыл бұрын
I just saw a video on how to autonomously launch defense drones, should be a fairly effective way to counter this
@LastStandGamers
@LastStandGamers Жыл бұрын
That sounds like it could be a cool counter my only fear would be the rail gun drones getting to the defence drones first.
@mindlessmrawesome
@mindlessmrawesome Жыл бұрын
​@@LastStandGamers very true, however I'm not so sure if railgun drones will be all too effective at hitting small moving targets. Might be worth an investigation to see what a good counterneasure might be, especially since these little sniper drones are proving to be quite powerful
@nobodx
@nobodx Жыл бұрын
@@LastStandGamers if it's the same i watched, then the drones were backed up by a radar - basically a fixed "drone" that rotate on a axis (like radars do) with a single thruster that tries to fly towards a target, when the radar points there - and an eventcontroller, that triggers once the thruster fires
@OmegaUberDeathbot
@OmegaUberDeathbot Жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that you couldn't use a railgun with the AI Offensive block. I couldn't get it to recognize the static weapon.
@LastStandGamers
@LastStandGamers Жыл бұрын
I have had similar issues some times the grid is bugged and requires a repaste or the AI needs a restart.
@OmegaUberDeathbot
@OmegaUberDeathbot Жыл бұрын
@@LastStandGamers huh…. Yeah. The AI blocks don’t play well together either. Still. An AI missile or two on standby would fix the rain gun issue. They have a large detection range.
@lunettesfumees1312
@lunettesfumees1312 Жыл бұрын
Equivalent of stellaris' torpedo corvette spam
@ethanspaziani1070
@ethanspaziani1070 Жыл бұрын
At last the potential of drone combat is reaching its fullest yet it is beautiful I had thought about stuff like this for a very long time to see it actually realized it's something else honestly this game has so much potential I just wish it was better optimized for larger structures
@IgnisVertex
@IgnisVertex Жыл бұрын
I mean, I've built a series of gunboats using on this concept since the workshop launched, to great fun, the advent of AI blocks were only going to escalate the situation. :D That said, hinge turrets with small grid railguns are an excellent long range point defense option. If you do engage with fighters and don't have a means of making rockets home, probably better to stick with autocannons.
@TheVallin
@TheVallin Жыл бұрын
I personally love the Fly By Wire script for rockets. Where ever the turret points, so to does the rocket. =D
@flyingtaco7643
@flyingtaco7643 Жыл бұрын
maybe fighter drones on patrol or maybe missile drones that are supposed to target the attacking one? Maybe you can use an early warning system to tell when there are drones approaching your base.
@flyingtaco7643
@flyingtaco7643 Жыл бұрын
Or maybe have your turrets hiddin away so that way they cant get shot from so far away
@LastStandGamers
@LastStandGamers Жыл бұрын
These sound like great ideas and relatively easy to implement we might have to do a follow up video testing some of the community's ideas.
@party4lifedude
@party4lifedude Жыл бұрын
You could have drones that sit in specific areas of space away from your base just as monitor probes that act as an early warning, and set them up with the defense blocks so when they detect an enemy they will rush back to base with an alarm and flashing lights. You could even put a custom sound in the sound block so the drone rushes back shouting "the British are coming! the British are coming!"
@calebslusher62
@calebslusher62 Жыл бұрын
It seems more and more with this video that the best way to beat a sniper-style craft is to have as small a cross-section as possible, and be nimble. Useful info for designing ships, that's for certain.
@longwingdetrain3183
@longwingdetrain3183 9 ай бұрын
Woaaaaahhhh. This video got recommended to me by random, and I havent watched Soace Engineers in years. Last time I watched it was with you, Sage, and Tazoo in Joint Survival! (Like 7 years ago). Awesome to see you still making content! Cool video man!
@owholypwner3548
@owholypwner3548 Жыл бұрын
having a stronger aphastrike increases your offensive capabilities so much, so making an automatic response drones that are fast and nimble to engage the railgunner further from the base. yes, i'm a noob stellaris player so this is so relatabl :D
@stokesseegers5012
@stokesseegers5012 Жыл бұрын
I love the way this game has evolved. I remember playing it when it first came out in beta and all you could do was build a basic ship. I do miss the way things would explode, I remember when a ship would break up and every piece we just fly off in every direction.
@cinfdef
@cinfdef Жыл бұрын
Well we should’ve saw this coming tbh Something new to adapt to I guess 🤷‍♂️
@pekaman4712
@pekaman4712 Жыл бұрын
Nice command and conquer refrence near the begining with the GLA base and scudstorm
@honeyy79
@honeyy79 Жыл бұрын
Under ground bases. With a long tunnel and a trapdoor that engages and opens for turrets when they are above it :D
@gamerelite3989
@gamerelite3989 Жыл бұрын
little issue is railguns penetrate ground to a certain lenght youll need to burrow more than you think for voxel to stop the bullet o.O
@randominternetguy7426
@randominternetguy7426 Жыл бұрын
Has there been a way discovered to universally control drones? Like press a button on your carrier to make all active drones retreat?
@FearlessSon
@FearlessSon Жыл бұрын
Something I was thinking of for a defense is "send a drone to fight a drone." Or rather, you send a mix of drones, some of which are equipped with Gatling cannons and some of which are equipped with decoys. The decoys will draw the railgun's fire, which will give the Gatling drones more opportunity to close the distance. To further improve survivability, put some timer blocks on the drones which are set to give the drone some brief lateral thrust in a different direction on a frequent repetition. This will give the drones the effect of "jinking", which will help throw off the targeting of the railgun drones. They may be accurate and hit hard, but with their low rate of fire they can't correct quickly to something which is programmed for evasive maneuvers.
@Th3505
@Th3505 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see my old faction base being used as a punching bag
@CM-NightDK
@CM-NightDK Жыл бұрын
Well Small and quick PD drones could do a number on them, best way to counter artillery strike craft is with Air superiority ones Either that or just make super cheap Kinectic Missiles to intercept the drones. or if you want to get fancy you can use actual warheads but unneeded (Small grid of course)
@7hart2
@7hart2 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a mix of electronic warfare/style drones in the mix: fast, with redundancies and that block(s) that attract automated attacks.
@gabrielbisbey
@gabrielbisbey Жыл бұрын
I would suggest other small drones, either designed for ramming or close quaters circling with machine gun/rocket fire might work as a counter, or hidden drones/turret positions further out, potentially under voxels with mining attachments. It would be one off, but may provide enough extra fire that it would protect at least once or twice
@mastere6115
@mastere6115 Жыл бұрын
Something interesting I found recently, and I know I'm late to it, but if you slap 9 autocannons in a square on a hinge aboard a ship, you can have a forward facing cutting beam. It takes time cutting through heavy, but light it is very good. So, perhaps you could implement that into a drone to have a highly maneuverable cutting drone. (on my point about the cutting meab, I tested it by taking a starship made from the workshop and literally cut the thing in half, it took a while but damn it looked cool)
@Daddy_Damo
@Daddy_Damo Жыл бұрын
Finally my 3x3 railgun drone has a practical purpose lol
@dmarshall.dev.
@dmarshall.dev. Жыл бұрын
For defence, use artillery turrets or assault turrets. Then on base grid, have a combat AI block. It will constantly scan for targets. Then set an event controller to focus fire at a range of 1400 or lesser. Then base will fire turrerts, without needing a player to manually lock. Also build base of heavy armor. Also can build SAM missiles or counter drones. Trigger launch with same method
@matthewcozon4686
@matthewcozon4686 Жыл бұрын
My only gripe with railgun drones is how expensive the ammo is. I’ve had a blast with wee Gatling brick drones. Will have to try these next.
@thaelindarkfyre4112
@thaelindarkfyre4112 Жыл бұрын
Well, the AI defense block can be used to lock on at long ranges (2500m) allowing turrets to shoot as lock on overrides the default 600m turret AI. so Custom rail turrets and large turrets with range may be able to counter if the base has such AI built into it
@AlrunesYT
@AlrunesYT Жыл бұрын
I'm using a drone with 9 assault cannons bunched together, they can stay at 1200-1400 range and pelt enemies faster than railguns. and that drone is so damn hard to hit from that distance, its absolutely nasty. A medium cargo container can hold a bit over 100 rounds, its less than railgun rounds, but makes the drone far cheaper as you don't need a reactor or a ton of batteries to power the railgun.
@papyrusspaghetti9376
@papyrusspaghetti9376 Жыл бұрын
I don't have space engineers sadly, but my first idea to respond to such a thing would be to launch slightly larger, but super fast (some engine spam required) and slightly erratic moving drones with light armaments to at least try to distract these drones or even take a few out. One could then maybe launch small gunships to arrive slightly after the interceptors to deal with the bulk of them, as they seem to have a hard time prioritizing targets...
@operatornaut8534
@operatornaut8534 Жыл бұрын
yeah these are very easy to counter, already seen some of this happen. on the flip side, it gives solo's an advantage over large groups with many players. so this is a win win tbh. Since drones are becoming the big thing, you can expect many to own their own to counter these, OR have a system in place to counter it. custom railgun turrets, small grid ofc typically handle these well. its the same thing, minus the need to fly. put a few towers around with the turrets on them and boom, you got yourself a anti-long range drone system.
@catbert7
@catbert7 Жыл бұрын
This is what made the game Reassembly so amazing; creating ships, in detail, and then testing them in all sorts of AI-controlled battles.
@stefanknauer7180
@stefanknauer7180 Жыл бұрын
First thing I experimented with was an automated guided missile system... That seemed to be pretty, good for defending a base.
@zano187
@zano187 Жыл бұрын
Fighters with gatling turrets is by far the best response, keeping on the move while the turrets constantly shred. Now I'm more interested on rail drones vs capital ships.
@NNextremNN
@NNextremNN Жыл бұрын
Looks pretty good even almost some sense ob balance where you could set big gun drones to attack large grids and small gun drones as interceptors.
@CallumCBG
@CallumCBG Жыл бұрын
the railguns are very good at attacking but when defending against a large amount of fast fighters, they dont seem to perfom as well although still quite effective so a mixture of fighters, that can fill different roles like railguns for long range attacks and then a fighter that can take a few hits to soak up a bit of damage and hopefully deal some aswell since its easier to rebuild the drone than part of your base, especially if its an important part
@gyromane2505
@gyromane2505 Жыл бұрын
Ai missile can reach up to ranges of 2.5 km unless manually guided or if some innovation was applied im sure you could extend the range. Potentially good use of vanilla ai missiles. Cheap, outranges the drones weapon and can potentially act as multi role and future design systems.
@mz00956
@mz00956 Жыл бұрын
What we need is a scanner block and calculator block (or use pb) that can scan a enemy ship. Maybe 15s targeting and then it can tell you the selected scanning target. Like scan for Thrusters, that information could then be used to calculate if the ship can still fly and if not chose another target to engage. This would prevent the AI from firing at a ship that is already crashing.
@calebeaster375
@calebeaster375 Жыл бұрын
small rail gun drones forming covering fire shield for a mother ship would be nearly impossible to breach (possible event), a counter might be large numbers of swarming drones, designed to move fast and ram the enemies with bombs or decoys carrying a single turret, the decoy drones are a bit slower to draw more fire from the bomb drones, using circling tactics, having underground launch site behind the railgun drones and some launch from the base directly. or having large numbers of small easy-to-produce drones no weapons or payloads, just ramming into a target could be a good retreat strategy. enough could down a small army of the railgun drone
@maxdejong4203
@maxdejong4203 Жыл бұрын
I believe the key to taking those rail gun drones out is to get to them before they get to you while have a solid defense, Players are going to need shield generators for their large ships and bases, and a fast yet highly maneuverable interceptor to close the distance, and a good number of them that are cheap to build.
@xendordawnburst9969
@xendordawnburst9969 Жыл бұрын
Part of me wants to try again with Space Engineers, but I'm already so packed! I've had a dream about my own AI Drone faction for years, but can't make the effort to put it together. Still, it's awesome to see what people are building in this game!
@mutantsheepofdoom
@mutantsheepofdoom Жыл бұрын
I'd probably make gatling turret limpets with parachutes to saturate the area they are operating in. Drop from 2K above them in big clusters with decoys mixed in. You don't have to completely destroy them, just knock enough necessary components off of them.
@dragonmaster1500
@dragonmaster1500 Жыл бұрын
One way to defend a position from these long range micro artillery platforms is to have outpost towers spread out around the main compound. They give early warning of the drone attacks since they will probably be targeted first, or they can shoot down the drones as they move past to attack the main base. Alternatively, having a fleet of micro-drones equipped with Gatling guns on a patrol flight specifically for intercepting these artillery drone incursions is another option.
@ShamblerDK
@ShamblerDK Жыл бұрын
So Space Engineers wars are going to be fought by drones? Art imitates life, I guess.
@Krystalchan2009
@Krystalchan2009 Жыл бұрын
I think when it comes to the rail drone vs cannon drone, it might depend on what your target is. I would assume that the Rail Gun is doing a great job vs percsion targets like the turrets, but if you were looking to bombard a bit more (like a respawn room to hit the players coming back) than I think the AC drone might be more effective as I think that cannon has more splash.
@demolition3612
@demolition3612 Жыл бұрын
To improve the attack further, when you learn a fighter out of the enemy base that is when you release the interceptor and flanked the enemy base from behind while the fighters out fighting the interceptor and distracting the whole base.
@C4MG1RL
@C4MG1RL Жыл бұрын
Ideas to counter it: -Patrols both long and short range, could intercept the drones or at least warn you of their approach -Your own railgun turrets around the base -Watch towers and defenses away from the base as a forward defense -Faster drones to intercept from a longer range. They back up but if your drone moves faster than they reverse and you have more than they can reliably recycle to shoot at then GGs. This really just seems like a serious problem for poorly defended bases though very useful for someone solo to turn their ship essentially into an Arsenal Bird. You could probably cut down on their size with that method of having a "mothership"
@quinncykaluzniak7231
@quinncykaluzniak7231 Жыл бұрын
decoy scramblers and some AI drones with gatling turrets might work
@randymotter51
@randymotter51 Жыл бұрын
you can do some trickery with the Defensive AI block to effectively detect enemy ships and perform automation in response, say launching your own rail drones. Even better if the response is performed from the inside of a base with automation to turn on a safe zone to protect you from damage while the attack drones are killed. Luca the Guide has a video on doing this and they even improved the block on release by reducing the trigger interval from like half a minute during the beta branch to just 5 seconds. Defensive automation is the answer to offensive automation. They increased lock on and detection range to 2.5km as well, so enemies can't just snipe you from the range limit with impunity.
@Goodtown325
@Goodtown325 Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to develop a drone that would fly out toward an asteroid, and either turn back if it detects an enemy based at the asteroid, or stay at the asteroid and broadcast it's ore detector. So it is basically a cheap scout probe, that you can send out "dumb fire" to all the asteroids you see from spawning in space, and have it try to locate the olayer you spawned nearbye.
@manemperorofmankind8119
@manemperorofmankind8119 Жыл бұрын
I need to get into this game but it’s pretty intimidating to learn by yourself
@lemonlefleur6236
@lemonlefleur6236 Жыл бұрын
I like to imagine that the natural defense against drone guns is drone shields. Just toss out a bunch of flying chunks of armor that surround a main ship so it can approach and destroy the enemy ships or supply stations that restock the attack drones.
@CrystallineFoxCF
@CrystallineFoxCF Жыл бұрын
Best counter I can think of, some sort of automated system that you use that when it detects enemy drones, it starts launching AI missiles (not rockets) to hunt down and destroy the drones
@fulconini
@fulconini Жыл бұрын
These are super easy to deal with if you have a large grid ship on hand but against everything else quite scary.
@0bsidianPrime
@0bsidianPrime Жыл бұрын
I imagine a laser wall doing a disco levels of spin while aiming in the general direction would be enough to counter XD
@MarioTheLiopleurodon
@MarioTheLiopleurodon 6 ай бұрын
Sounds like a great way to defend your base. Have a swarm of these "angry bee" drones around your "hive" and any enemy ships/drones would get shredded before coming into range to become a threat
@bwserknight8952
@bwserknight8952 Жыл бұрын
If you know your under attack then you can send your own drone/ships out. The max range for AI targeting is 2500m that also works for you. You could also have your own base hooked up to an Ai controller (if possible I haven’t tested it yet) to allow 2.5km targeting, it’s a 2 way street. If it was me I’d make my own railgun defence drone army, press a button and have them rise up, patrol around the base by 20-50m and have them target anything within 2.5km, then return after a set time or if there are no more targets.
@Chareidos
@Chareidos Жыл бұрын
Could you build these drifters with custom turrets with railguns mounted on them, utilizing rotors and giving each turret an individual offensive AI? That would be interesting, if not OP!
@NovaEngineer69
@NovaEngineer69 4 ай бұрын
I really like these railgun drones. Honestly, it looks like artillery, and i like artillery.
@DerpsWithWolves
@DerpsWithWolves Жыл бұрын
This is very much on-par with some hard sci-fi I've been writing recently... The effective range of a ship's guns in space is a comparative of the weapon's muzzle velocity to the enemy's Time to Displace (TtD), or how long it takes a given ship to displace their entire bulk at least one ship width / length / beam in an evasive maneuver, and thus not be struck by an unguided projectile aiming at that location. Mostly this is done laterally, but a ship can also accelerate or decelerate to achieve the same result - at the cost of messing with acceleration gravity (Which matters more with a crew, of course). Thus, smaller ships like frigates, fighters, and drones can afford to get in closer to railgun equipped foes, because they're in a better position to dodge. This leads to a bit of an arms race tangent to put rail and coil guns on smaller and smaller craft, to live in the 'sweet spot' where you can fire at an enemy ship with impunity, and they can't return fire. Of course, nothing is without a counterpoint, so as such vessels get smaller their point defence options grow more limited, and they need to rely on the railguns themselves to intercept missiles, but the true death knell for them is a combination of four things: - Directed energy weapons (UV lasers, mostly, sometimes particle accelerators); - Other drones and small picket ships, which can match them on even ground; - Bursting fragmentation railgun rounds (which cut both ways, but favour larger ships with more projectile volume) - And larger-caliber railguns on capital ships which are able to fire guided interceptor missiles, in addition to standard railgun projectiles - hampering the ability of smaller ships to dodge the impact. For Space Engineers, at least insofar as the vanilla railguns, either other drones or modded lasers / missiles I figure are the most practical solutions to engage them before they reach optimal firing ranges. Klang help us if the drones learn how to use UNSC MACs at their full range potential, nowhere will be safe.
@shadowlordalpha
@shadowlordalpha Жыл бұрын
I feel like you need some decoy drones as well as some kinetic drones
@party4lifedude
@party4lifedude Жыл бұрын
Decoy drones seem like a good distraction for AI turrets. If we are talking PvE fighting Assert bases, throwing loose decoys ahead of your bombs to distract the turrets so they don't take out the payload is already sometimes pretty effective, but you have to get the timing and the arch just right so they don't get destroyed too soon. If you have decoys that can just buzz around the base like bees, it gives you room to snipe out the turrets with a cannon or railgun or send warheads in. Drones that are just meant to be a distraction can be cheap and printed and launched in mass like missiles. Of course they always change the behavior of decoys, so I'm not sure if putting actual decoys on decoy drones would make much of a difference. They are still going to be targeted as long as they are closer to the turrets than you are.
@kylemarullo9552
@kylemarullo9552 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone tested launching decoy blocks out at these things. I believe they shoot the closest target. small but very fast decoys while you take them out with railguns. I havent played SE in awhile but with the AI update im probably gunna start playing again.
@enoktheewok4821
@enoktheewok4821 Жыл бұрын
Honestly... a combination A2A missiles, counter rail gun drones( ideally with scripts to randomly fire all thrusters in a random direction so they are harder to hit), RC fighters with rail guns and whatever method of target saturation is applicable. Just counter rail drones would be sufficient for many attacks the real solution here is either make a comprehensive multi faceted defense network or build your base underground I am REALLY excited for what this means for ship to ship combat. ships surrounded by swarms like the "Loyal wingman" drones is going to be a blast
@Crookeandroe
@Crookeandroe Жыл бұрын
Can be countered by AI patrols or a defensive drone perimeter net placed at least 1km away. Or maybe even a high altitude intercept platform
@d.thieud.1056
@d.thieud.1056 Жыл бұрын
Suggestion to counter it: fight the drones with drones Build 4-6 small drones armed with a large number of gatling turrets that just slowly takes turns recharging and circling around your base. Maybe add a system that, if one of the drones detects something it sends out a signal that makes all drones take off and patrol.
@Lokiawa
@Lokiawa Жыл бұрын
I'm just glad I prefer playing/building by myself, or in the past, rarely play with friends on their own server.
@kieranmilner1295
@kieranmilner1295 Жыл бұрын
id love to see some ai bombers too just coming in and bombing the bases as the drones fight it out
@draggidoo
@draggidoo Жыл бұрын
This begs Eve Online style space combat tactics. A small interceptor/ brawler to take aggro, then main force primaries DPS onto larger targets. For smaller player / solo defense if you don't have your own horde, a small VERY fast ship with turrets could maintain a nice orbital velocity and broadside the drone without ever having to line up. I like it. If drones are your bag, you now have a force multiplier. If you like to fight, you know have an easily exploitable AI system to reduce to scrap. Even with prior knowledge tho, effective use of these drones could be thru ambushes. Honestly, if you could encourage the rail drones to keep their own orbital velocity around a stationary target like a base while keeping guns trained (like a helicopter doing a strafe) they would be so much harder to deal with
@wolfe8035
@wolfe8035 3 ай бұрын
Funny thing is I already considered an idea like this. Taking an idea from someone else, I'm putting together settings for a SE server... utilizing a point system as well as "weapon mounts." A fighter class, or a small grid between 100-2,000 PCU would have say 6 mounts, but like 5/6 points, and make a Railgun require 10 points to be used. Or an exception would be a player operated craft that can only be operated by a player.
@Shyoure94
@Shyoure94 Жыл бұрын
this was my first idea after I heard about the AI update, I have yet to build it But I just might after you showing it!
@LastStandGamers
@LastStandGamers Жыл бұрын
Get it built !!!
@Shyoure94
@Shyoure94 Жыл бұрын
@@LastStandGamers I have to build a small fighter craft to hold it first!
@redstonemage9085
@redstonemage9085 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite parts of scifi (and irl) is when a new weapon is introduced making old tactics obsolete. A pvp server where all factions had access to these might be more hide and seek with bunkers and planet-wide searches. Maybe a political neutral ground is made with dune esque intrigue and bargaining.
@doubt3430
@doubt3430 Жыл бұрын
the drone carrier meta begins now
@odd_bobble9106
@odd_bobble9106 Жыл бұрын
I am going to try this and update if it works. Small drones with the bare minimum flight capabilities and no armour can be mass produced way faster then the rail gun drones and may even be able to out pace the 18 second recharge. Loading the small interceptors with a flight and offensive controller would allow for the creation of small guided kinetic munitions that would act as a flare for the larger ship and as an ammunition sponge for the limited capacity of the rail gun.
@chadspessmehren2418
@chadspessmehren2418 Жыл бұрын
Scramble the fighters! Raise the shields! My thoery is the only way to fight a force of drones like this is with a similar fleet but more diversified in purpose; Long range gun drones are excellent but are singular purpose you would ideally want to counter it with a drone swarm of gatling fighters, missile fighters and some escort frigates all with different purposes.
@darkstar_sierra1588
@darkstar_sierra1588 Жыл бұрын
1st part yes that is quite effective but the 2nd part can be dealt with by setting them to only target power grids only so when they take out the power of the enemy ship they can target other ships straight away because if you think about it the Reactors and Batteries power grids are the best target because a ship can't fight back without power because everything that defends the ship needs power and without it well it's a sitting duck to the drones.
@Robosium
@Robosium Жыл бұрын
the way I'd try to counter these drones is to have a bunch of drones with gatling turrets whose engagement distance is set quite close to both force the railguns to retreat and lay down a lot of bullets into them to increase the chance of damaging important equipment
@Kyrinson
@Kyrinson Жыл бұрын
I think that the best way to defend a base against this sort of attack is to have several squadrons of very small drones with Gatling's patrolling around your base near max railgun range. The biggest issue those large drones were having was that they were just too big and couldn't dodge. Have an event controller set up to tell it to RTB and recharge/rearm and then go back to patrol. The biggest weakness of those railgun drones is the fire-rate.. a small thin drone would have a much easier time dodging and returning fire with a gat.
@GodzillaFan-ko2xd
@GodzillaFan-ko2xd Жыл бұрын
I feel these would make good escort and patrol vessels working well with corvettes or frigates
@hadesdogs4366
@hadesdogs4366 Жыл бұрын
I’d personally suggest a mix between either rail gun and auto cannon or rail and Gatling cannon as a means to fight at close to mid range targets, where the rail guns deal with enemy turrets, whilst the fat or auto cannons deal with any close to medium targets
@i2gy
@i2gy Жыл бұрын
The best defense is a good offense. Underground bases is probably going to be the way that counter-act these rail gun drones
@lplayerjohnny9778
@lplayerjohnny9778 Жыл бұрын
lSG: Introcuces railgun drones. Me: Introducing: The proximity-fuze nuclear ICBM, now designated as surface-to-air-missile. But drone update is fire
@imglidinhere
@imglidinhere Жыл бұрын
Wait is that planet for the second fight Salos!? :D Hell yeah!
@SgtRico1
@SgtRico1 Жыл бұрын
I think the best protection from these kind of drones, or any smaller swarm drone, now is thinking less complex. Instead of counter drones or gun emplacements, I think kinetic strike missiles with the smallest size possible would be the ideal counter. Ideally it would only need forward thrust and a Gyro, but from what I've seen in testing, not having all except reverse thrust covered is unreliable, so 5 directional is more likely to work at the moment, sadly increases the profile quite a bit. No warhead but make a lot, maybe have a printer spew them until the drones are gone. The Railgun drones in particular seem to struggle with targeting more nible crafts like fighters, a ai block driven missile on intercept would be even harder to hit I imagine. And even then they were struggling with target diversification too, so they seem to aim at the same one, meaning the other kinetic strikes will keep coming until they make contact and the remining ones will re-aquire new targets after the previous one has been taken out. Here going for the same target works against the railguns but fore ai steered missiles, which should give them the intercept advantage. Ressource wise it's more expensive than ammo, but still less than the potential damage and probably still less than the railgun drones cost to make and load with ammo. Using hydrogen thrust increases cost but add a bit of explosiveness, but potentially limits range. Either way, purely block damage from small grid kinetic strike missiles at close to max. speed should disable the railgun, if not take out the entire drone from what I've seen in testing recently where warheads failed to detonate, but still tore gigantic holes into large grid targets.
@neddavies4358
@neddavies4358 Жыл бұрын
I have found that carriers are not as effective as I believed they were because of 2 things 1 is the new event controller can be used to create wasd grav drive that allows a dreadnaught to outrun them and automatic launch defence drones help alot. They can be used with the ai recorder to create an automatic search carrier my current one has 32 drones that search 12.5km in every direction 25 times that of just having you go out by yourself. In combat I find drones just to be an accessory to the main combat ships.
@malaficus
@malaficus Жыл бұрын
Looks like underground bunkers are a must.
@hadesdogs4366
@hadesdogs4366 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the fact that rail guns have high levels of penetration in which on small and light blocks, it would pass through them like a hot knife through butfer
@demonoftheweb
@demonoftheweb Жыл бұрын
Setting up secondary hangers that are "dark" ready to launch AI fighters from another direction to either push them into the base engagement zone or further away. counter rail drones are another option.
@dboyse47
@dboyse47 Жыл бұрын
I'm imagining little drones all powered off so as not to attract attention from enemy drones then place them in a perimeter defence around your base... if your base starts taking damage have an event block switch you drones on to deploy and attack whatever is in the area
@thehotdogman9317
@thehotdogman9317 Жыл бұрын
You could make a large ship with railguns and custom decoy missles to keep the hostile drones busy shooting decoys
@jimbobhootenanny4440
@jimbobhootenanny4440 Жыл бұрын
Counter- cheep fast chafe to throw at them and have a few medium fighters move in with long range as well, but it has to be a two ter defense
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