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LATENCY TEST: 23 amp modelling pedalboards compared! Quad Cortex vs, FM3 vs Helix vs BOSS vs NUX....
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Күн бұрынIn this video we will check out the latency of 23 amp modelling pedalboards, that are: the BOSS FX 100 and the GT 1000, the Quad Cortex, the Fractal FM3, the Kemper Stage, the Line 6 Helix, HX Stomp and POD GO, the NUX MG 30, MG 300 and Amp Academy, the Mooer GE 150, 250 and 300, the Zoom G11, the Valeton GP 200, the Head Rush GigBoard and MX5, the Ampero and the Stomp 2, the Strymon Iridium, the Universal Audio Dream 65, and the Harley Benton DNA FX PR. Therefore a pretty massive work that has taken a lot of time and effort and that I hope you are gonna enjoy and find useful. And if so, please subscribe and ring the bell, as it would help me to make more videos like this!
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▶ LATENCY DEEP DIVE TESTS:
Quad Cortex vs BOSS GX 100 vs NUX MG 30: • Quad Cortex vs BOSS GX...
Line 6 Helix LT vs HX Stomp vs POD GO: • Line 6 Helix LT vs HX ...
Kemper: • Kemper Latency test: d...
Ampero Stomp II: • Ampero Stomp II Latenc...
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OTHER VIDEOS:
▶ Pedalboards demo review:
BOSS GX 100 demo and review: • BOSS GX 100: Detailed ...
Valeton GP 200 demo and review: • Valeton GP 200: demo a...
Ampero Stomp II demo review: • Ampero Stomp II: demo ...
Fractal FM3 demo review: • Fractal Audio FM3: Dem...
Neural DSP Quad Cortex Demo Review: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Neural DSP Quad Cortex Unleashed: • Quad Cortex Unleashed:...
HeadRush MX5: • Headrush MX5: Demo and...
NUX MG 30 demo review: • NUX MG 30: Demo and Re...
Pedalboards Latency: • The most extensive amp...
Kemper Stage demo review: • Kemper Profiler Stage ...
POD GO demo review: • LINE 6 POD GO: Demo & ...
Zoom G11 demo review: • Zoom G11: Demo and Rev...
Zoom G6 demo review: • ZOOM G6: Demo & Review...
Valeton GP 100 demo review: • Valeton GP 100: demo a...
NUX MG 300 demo review: • NUX MG 300: Demo & Rev...
Mooer GE 300 lite demo review: • Mooer GE 300 Lite: Dem...
Mooer GE 250 demo review: • Mooer GE 250: Demo & R...
Mooer GE 150 demo review: • Mooer GE 150: Demo / R...
▶ Modeling pedalboards comparison videos:
BOSS GX 100 vs POD GO: • BOSS GX 100 vs Line 6 ...
BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000 tech spec compared: • BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000...
BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000 sound comparison:
BOSS GX-100 vs GT-1000: • BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000...
HeadRush MX-5 vs NUX MG-30: • HeadRush MX 5 vs NUX M...
HeadRush MX-5 vs POD GO: • Headrush MX 5 vs Line ...
HeadRush MX-5 vs Ampero: • HeadRush MX 5 vs Hoton...
HeadRush MX-5 vs Mooer GE 250: • HeadRush MX5 vs Mooer ...
Quad Cortex vs Fractal FM3: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Quad Cortex vs Fractal FM3 - effects comparison: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Quad Cortex vs Helix: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Quad Cortex vs Kemper: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
NUX MG30 vs Mooer GE 200 vs Ampero One: • NUX MG 30 vs Ampero On...
FM3 vs Kemper vs Helix vs Pod GO vs NUX vs Valeton vs Mooer vs Soldano: • FM3 vs Kemper vs POD G...
NUX MG 300 vs Valeton GP100 vs Mooer GE 150 vs Harley Benton DNA: • NUX MG 300 vs Valeton ...
BOSS GT 1000 core vs HX Stomp: • BOSS GT 1000 core vs L...
Zoom G11 vs Mooer GE 300: • Zoom G11 vs Mooer GE 3...
Fractal FM 3 vs Kemper Stage: • Fractal audio FM 3 vs ...
POD GO vs GE 250: • Line 6 POD GO vs MOOER...
GT 1000 vs Line 6 Helix: • BOSS GT 1000 vs LINE 6...
Line 6 Helix vs Headrush: • Line 6 HELIX vs Headru...
VALETON GP 200 vs POD GO: • Valeton GP 200 vs Line...
GT 1000 vs GT 1000 core: • BOSS GT 1000 vs GT 100...
GT 1000 vs FM 3: • Fractal FM3 vs BOSS GT...
GT 1000 vs HEADRUSH: • BOSS GT 1000 vs HEADRU...
GT 1000 vs GE 300 vs HELIX vs HEADRUSH vs PLEXI: • GT 1000 VS GE 300 VS H...
GE 200 vs GE 250 vs GE 300 vs GE 150: • MOOER GE 150 vs GE 200...
GE 250 vs Hotone Ampero: • Mooer GE250 vs Hotone ...
GE 250 vs HX Stomp: • Mooer GE 250 vs Line 6...
GE 250 vs Gigboard: • MOOER GE 250 vs HEADRU...
GE 200 vs Ampero One: • Mooer GE 200 vs Ampero...
GE 150 vs ZOOM G1X Four: x • Mooer GE 150 vs Zoom G...
BIAS AMP 2 VS AMPLITUBE 4 VS SOFTUBE VS FORTIN vs PLEXI: • BIAS AMP 2 VS AMPLITUB...
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⏰Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:47 - What is Latency?
3:06 - The modellers tested
3:54 - How I did the test
6:15 - The results of the tests
9:52 - My 2 cents
#AmpModelling #Latency #ModellingLatency
@OlaEnglund 3 ай бұрын
I know this is a year old, but I just wanted to thank you for this video. This is something that's not talked about enough...
@LeoGibsonGtr 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, really appreciated. I'm really happy that you like the video!!!
@firatyildirim2288 2 жыл бұрын
You make ultimate modeler tests, nothing compares in youtube or forums, thanks.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
@allboutthemojo 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr it's a very interesting and useful test you posted. Thanks. Have been considering buying the GE 300 but when you look on Facebook groups, many people complain that the unit freezes and malfunctions during updates and Mooer doesn't release any fixes.
@SirCrashaLot 2 жыл бұрын
You are a hero Leo. Coming from Drone racing I am very sensitive to latency, typically it means being able to avoid a wall or smashing into it. I am shopping for modeller to replace my analog setup and I find your content very informative. Thanks.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You welcome! I'm super happy that you find the videos useful!!!
@peterallen964 2 жыл бұрын
Bare in mind that it takes sound 3ms to travel a meter in air, so if you are capable of playing 3m from your amp (if it's on the floor, that's you standing at a person distance) away from it while keeping time, you should be fine with 10ms latency. It gets really messed up when you think about how far you are from different members of your average band, or even the latency difference between different drums
@SirCrashaLot 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterallen964 interesting input. thanks.
@toesalad 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterallen964 I don’t disagree with your point, however, when playing with a modeler live, that audio-through-air latency exists on top on the modeler latency unless you are using IEMs. As others have pointed out, it gets worse if you are using 4CM too. Add wireless and things are a little more latent too.
@JohnShalamskas 8 ай бұрын
@@toesalad All digital modeller FX loops have D/A and A/D conversion, which adds a few ms of latency if you use it, 4CM being one such usage. Wireless connections and "digital" pedals in the signal path also do A/D and D/A conversion, adding more latency. On the HX Stomp and Stomp XL, the FX loop adds around 3ms. The HX Stomp has about 3ms latency on the primary signal path. Add 5ms for wireless guitar connection. Add 5ms for one external digital pedal, like an IR for speaker and cabinet. Now you are up to 16 ms, which might be noticeable and annoying to the guitar player.
@berndkiltz Жыл бұрын
Thank you again for those videos. I am one of those latency-sensitive people... for example, I feel it when my signal from my FM9 is going through a digital mixer. Those things have terrible latency, and add to that the latency of the FM9 (2-3ms I suppose) and it is nearing 9-11. 11 I can feel in any blindtest. So your values here are GOLD! I recommend your channel in a lot of my videos.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome Bernd and I'm really honored that you mention my channel in your videos: really appreciated! I'm also happy to have been of some help!!!
@DogdaySunrise 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I cannot say how happy I am about this video. I was searching far and wide to get information on modeler latency and came back empty handed or with questionable sources. Thank you for this tremendous amount of work. Your content is always high quality but this time you have really outdone yourself. Bravo! :)
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Grazie mille!!! I'm super happy that you like the video and that you find it useful!!!
@egogreen2045 11 ай бұрын
sound is subjective and latency is the truth very helpful video mr.Leo
@LeoGibsonGtr 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, really appreciated!
@egogreen2045 11 ай бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr curious with Boss IR-200
@georgesabitpol 2 жыл бұрын
I have had helix, fm3 , mooer 300 and boss gt1000. Of the lot the ones I enjoyed playing the most were in order the gt1000, the mooer , the fractal and the helix. Seems latency is an important one for me.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for sharing!!! Interesting findings!
@lares1982 2 жыл бұрын
Great Leo! This is one of those videos that you don't think anyone ever does and Leo did a great job. Excellent channel, every video is very good.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! I'm really happy that you appreciate the work, the video and the channel !!!
@stormyandcold 2 жыл бұрын
It's no wonder Boss feels so good to play. This video is such a great asset to the community, thank you so much Leo!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, and I'm happy to have been of some help!
@deigonz 2 жыл бұрын
i just unboxed a GX100 today. i don't mind latency too much, but i did not expect it to rank so high up on the chart. I guess Boss's A.I.R.D. tech is not hype, but the real deal.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for sharing!
@jhellert1 Жыл бұрын
No manufacturer makes a multi FX unit that can switch between two completely unrelated presets as fast as a Boss GT unit. Everything is always as seamless as stomping a single Boss pedal. That's been true for at least 20 years. Fractal Audio's tones in the FM3 blow the doors off everyone else's on that list but its switching speed can be problematic. That's why there are so many videos about workarounds to the problem on KZfaq.
@KrishinPillay 2 ай бұрын
I can't appreciate your work enough Leo .... this is so informative and helps a ton when making a decision
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 ай бұрын
Thank you soooo much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!
@neocampus9043 Жыл бұрын
Great work, Leo, that is super helpful! I am also one of those nerds who measures the latency of every digital device I buy because I am, in fact, pretty sensitive to it. It's good to see, too, that for those 2 components we had in common (Line 6 Helix, Boss GT1000) we are in +- 0.1 ms (!) agreement. In case anybody is interested: I found that at a total latency of 12 ms I notice that something is "different", above 14ms I start feeling disconnected. (I am more tolerant to latency, though, when I play in a band than when I am at home hearing only the guitar.) The total latency I have mentioned includes approx. 6ms for the sound to travel to my ears (distance of ~2m), leaving 6-8 ms for digital components before it starts to bother me. Please forgive me for all that number crunching, I am a physicist, after all ... ;-)
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm happy that the video has been of some help! Thank you also for sharing those numbers....very interesting indeed!!!
@razznote7586 9 ай бұрын
One of the better replies here right now. We may now introduce the term "Latency Budget", the delay limit before you start to notice latency (or disconnectedness).
@bobdelellis 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Leo. Great video with some surprising results. I'm sure most of us expected the high-end units (Fractal, Kemper & Quad Cortex) to be more toward the top. I have a Kemper Stage, an HX Stomp and just got a Quad Cortex. The only difference I've noticed between the Kemper and QC is when pitching down. The QC seems faster when you start giving it some complex things to do. One thing that makes sense is the units that do more and sound better are working harder and, therefore, might take longer to do the additional tasks. I would like to know how this latency compares to a real amp. There has to be a very small amount of latency even in amp for the tubes to respond to the input. I'm sure some of these units are so fast that humans can't really detect the latency. I've been playing the Kemper Stage almost exclusively for almost 3 years, so that is my new normal, anyway, and I either don't detect any latency or I've just gotten used to it.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, and I'm happy that you like the video! Actually I think that analog gear has basically no latency, as the signal should travel at the speed of light...the only latency is the one needed for the wave produced by the speaker to reach your ears... Thank you!
@stevenvandemsky7290 2 жыл бұрын
Analog equipment doesn’t have any latency at all, that’s the nature of analog!
@rderfa 7 күн бұрын
Awesome video!!! Thanks for sharing this data. It is invaluable information. Cheers!
@LeoGibsonGtr 6 күн бұрын
You are welcome and I'm very happy that you appreciate the video!!!!
@mathumphreys 2 жыл бұрын
This amazing Leo. Thank you for putting in so much work and for being so thorough with your process. Also, your explanation is really excellent, every question that came in to my head was answered by you. Excellent work!! I'm really looking forward to your comparison of "true bypass" or pass-through if you think it would make an interesting topic. Once again thanks so much for the effort.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm super happy that you like the video! Yes, maybe I will go in more details with one or two modellers. Thank you!
@soekma_aoeliea Жыл бұрын
I just bought Nux Amp Academy and amazed by its Audio Interface performance. I mean, at that price point you've got such low latency audio. I wonder how another Modelling at higher price can achieve and this video shows it all. Such a great content! Thanks!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm happy that you like the content!!!
@juancarlosprevostzarate7077 2 ай бұрын
I tried pairing my mooer ge250 even with my iPad running amplitube 4 and connecting through iRig HD2 in FX loop for that lovely Dimebag Darrel tone... And it was pretty comfortable to play and nice sounding.... Now with your test I know the low latency of the mooer ge250 helps a lot and so I am ready to buy a one Tonex One for a very affordable great sounding rig... Thank you very much Leo!!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 ай бұрын
You are welcome and thank you for sharing your experience!
@digitalchris6681 2 жыл бұрын
What a useful and interesting video - thanks Leo. I guess I'm not the only one right now scratching my head trying to interpret the results!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chris, I was also surprised, but then the results started to make sense...I mean, QC, FM3 and Kemper all at around 3ms...in my opinion there is a balance to be found between the latency / fastness and the quality (converters and algorithms) and maybe the right spot is around 3 ms...
@digitalchris6681 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr Hi Leo. The biggest anomaly was the GT1000 but I always thought it sounded 'digital' so perhaps as you say, this is the trade-off.... so if your 3ms observation is correct (and I think it is) in order to move the whole digital movement forwards, we need a big quantum leap in technology ! By the way (I will delete this post when you have read it): "sensible to latency" should be "sensitive to latency" and "3 dot 5" should be "3 point 5".
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I think you are right...to drastically improve latency we probably need a big step forward in term of processing power...another possibility is to drastically change the approach...and I'm really curious to see what BluGuitar with the AMP X is gonna do... Thank you for the corrections...I need to improve my English... 😀... but I put all the time I have in making music or videos...so no time left for improve my English... no need to delete the post...you are just right...and the polite suggestions (like yours) are welcome!
@97guitarzan 2 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting...very extensive. Must have taken you a lot of time. I too am used to dealing with latency..I use a Fishman Tripleplay MIDI Controller and I've used ampsims on and off a lot over the years and with less than ideal systems. As a guitar player the main reason I got a Thunderbolt 3 audio interface, after I put my new (was new) computer together was to get best latency possible. I' ve been looking at hardware modellers lately and this information that you've put together is valuable and appreciated. Thanks once again Leo.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome Kim, I'm happy that you find the info useful!! Thank you also for sharing your experience!
@jcoulter43 2 жыл бұрын
As always Leo, your analysis is spot-on. I too was very surprised at the results. I would have thought conventional wisdom would have said The more you paid the lower the latency would be, but that was not to be the case. Great video and very informative as always. God bless and rock on 🎸😎👍
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes, the more you spend the less latency you would expect...but in my opinion the more you spend, the more the converters are refined and the more the algorithms could be complex..thus adding latency...so it's a kind of balance to be found between latency and quality...that's maybe why the high end amp modeller are not at the top, but still with pretty good latency time at 3 ms. Thank you!
@toesalad 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr I would also add, the more you pay, the more other features you get as well, which may-or-may-not be important to you. There are a lot of trade-offs in what features each brand brings to the table. Latency is just one. For example, in the case of Fractal, you are getting a ton of flexibility around customization, regular firmware updates for years, one of the best desktop editors out there, etc. In the case of Neural, you are getting really good profiling, a fantastic UI, and microphone inputs, etc.
@ashthegreat1 Жыл бұрын
I love any review that starts with a methodology. Youve provided a very useful service here. Thank you 🙏
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you have appreciated the video!!!
@samuelpeinado1267 Жыл бұрын
When I bought my boss gt-1000 years ago I tried all the available modelers. The gt-1000 had the best feel of all the higher end modelers I tried. It was hard to explain then. Not any more. Thanks so much for this video.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome Samuel, I'm happy to have been of some help!!!
@gitpho Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what people need to hear re: the GT-1000. It’s the first modeler that’s ever _felt_ like a real amp to me. I dislike BOSS’ presets and defaults as much as most people do, but with a few minutes of tweaking we can make it sound however we want. What we _can’t_ simply dial in, though, is feel, and that’s where the GT-1000 wins over the competition.
@consultastecnicas6056 Жыл бұрын
agrego mas..ahora años despues de tenerla, saber configurarla y tener el sonido valvular "en la cabeza" puedo decir que suena como valvular e incluso mucho mejor que muchos valvulares. No es facil regular y saber que tocar de los parámetros. Pero despues de 40 años de valvulares puedo decir que este dispositivo a llegado a sonar igual.
@JuanHoya Жыл бұрын
Finally somebody addresses the elephant in the room. You may look the other way but...a latency of 5+ms is very much a problem. Thanks a bunch!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!!
@markpeam8549 2 жыл бұрын
Wow - thanks for all that hard work. 10ms is no good for me, but anything under 5ms works fine. Interesting to see MX5 and Gigboard give different results - I thought it was the same processor/etc, as with the Pedlaboard.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, thank you for sharing! Please, take into consideration that the Ampero Stomp II can be improved a lot in terms of latency using IRs and not the internal Cabs, that seem to require a lot of processing power. Thank you!
@Serkan.Korkmaz 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr Hi Leo I thinking you give wrong answer. He asking about Headrush. Headrush Mx5 and Headrush Gigboard completely same processor and electronics how can be different results ?
@Drumming_Monkey Жыл бұрын
Makes me happy again that I bought the NUX MG 30. So incredible what you get for that price. Thanks for the video, amazing work.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm really happy that you like the video! Thank you also for sharing your opinion!
@V.Drouin 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, very informative! Your videos helped a lot in my search for the best amp modeller for me and I ended up with an FM3. It's absolutely amazing!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Vincent, I'm happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you also for sharing your final choice...
@BingsBuddery 3 ай бұрын
Subbed. Fantastic content. It's just sublime to have a video to quick reference for latency in modelers. Really excellent work, Mr. Gibson. Please continue!
@LeoGibsonGtr 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video and your sub means a lot to me!!!
@RaphaBraga Ай бұрын
Great video ! Thanks for sharing this process you’re great !
@LeoGibsonGtr Ай бұрын
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you like the video!!! Thank you!
@jorgeband1111 Жыл бұрын
Hi Leo, Latency is very important, in my case affects very much to my playing. Thanks for making this great video ! , very helpful
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the video!!!
@monstermania... Жыл бұрын
Thanks Leo for this updated latency comparison. It’s great to see that the GX-100 has the same low latency as the GT-1000. Your work is excellent and very much appreciated!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm super happy that you have found the video useful!!
@jesuzleonardo Жыл бұрын
Hi Leo, I was going to buy hotone ampero 2 or Pod Go, now I will go for separate pedals, thank you so much for explaining this topic as well as for making all this hard work for the community.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Hi, let me just say that after the video Ampero has update the firmware and improved the latency. For more info you can check out this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hN-AftSArcDJlZ8.html Thank you!
@literalghost929 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! It would also be interesting to compare the latency given different effects; it's possible for instance that if you introduced a distortion, delay, chorus, compressor, etc., some of the less powerful units might have more latency that the units with the more powerful DSPs. But yeah that becomes much harder to compare as all the effects differ in different units, so ex; out of the 12 Helix compressors, some might be faster/slower than others, but at the same time demand more power; be of higher quality... Making direct comparisons much more difficult...
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm happy that you have found the video useful! Yes, that's a good point and actually I'm currently doing some follow up videos to check out also the latency of the other effects. For instance here you can check out one of them: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pMxzmq-Qsq24Y6M.html Thank you!
@picksalot1 2 жыл бұрын
I find that latency around 6ms or higher affects my playing, but I don't notice it below 4ms. I have an HX Stomp, and I don't notice any latency on it, and I don't use any IRs. The HX Stomp was listed in your chart, but you didn't announce its latency. It looks like it was probably around 1.8-1.9ms. Please let me know. I hadn't really thought about latency within a Modeler, as I had never noticed it in my old Boss Gt-6 or in my current HX Stomp, and had assumed it was a non-issue. So, your video was very interesting, and I was quite surprised at the high latency rates of some of the Modelers. I appreciate the time it must have taken to conduct this interesting and thorough test. Thanks 👍 On an unrelated topic, I saw something that you might find useful on your beautiful Archtop. There was a recent video on the 5 Watt World channel featuring Tim Lerch called "Teles and L-5s" in which he used "Rubber Grommets" on the strings in front of the tailpiece of his L5 to deaden unwanted string vibrations behind the Bridge. He talks about them at about 58 minutes into the video. They are are much more elegant looking solution to wrapping something through or around the strings behind the Bridge. I plan on getting them for my Archtop, as they they look to be an inexpensive and effective solution available from hardware stores. 😉
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Ah... you are right...I didn't announce the latency of the HX Stomp...I'm sorry...it's around 2ms... Thank you for sharing the video...I actually use a handkerchief....which is for sure not elegant...😀....even if I'm so used to it...that I miss it when removed...😀
@KeberMaknaan 20 күн бұрын
Hi Leo. you do crazy hardwork with high values offer. thank you for making this video. lets it be known that latency is definitely vital issue in digital products… coming from analog, pod go (with 3ms+) can be quite annoying. i feel the need to come closer to 1ms… fast and furious! (yet many products struggle in latency over 3ms yet charging so expensive… they are shameless companies, supplying bad experience gears)
@LeoGibsonGtr 20 күн бұрын
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you find the video valuable!!! Thank you also for sharing your experience!
@Stoffendous 2 жыл бұрын
You are the hero we don't deserve Leo.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank yo so much....I even don't know how to answer...this is a great compliment!!!!
@AchSeverIne 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Leo! That is really interesting. Thanks also for the very qualified test setup. For an even more reliable result, a series of tests with different amp models and effects would be a dream.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes, adding amp models and effect would be interesting...but it would be almost impossible with all these pedalboards...as it would take ages...On the other hand I can do a specific latency video focused on one device...checking out how the latency vary according to the signal chain... Thank you!
@rubenmedina5050 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Leo, I have Valeton GP100 & GP200 and I'm happy with both units, hope future firmware updates improve the latency 🤘🎸
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Hi Ruben, thank you for sharing!!!
@frankjerke 10 ай бұрын
It would be intersting to see in this list also some amps , like the spark 40, spark mini, nux mighty space,boss katana,.. as they are basicly multieffects with a speaker, but able to connect to the computer. Best wishes from Berlin
@LeoGibsonGtr 10 ай бұрын
Hi, thank you for sharing and for your suggestion!
@khaldounj Жыл бұрын
Thanks Leo, I was considering buying Nux AmpAcademy. after this test I"m sold. I'm buying it. very informative videos.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome, and I'm happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you also for sharing your final choice!
@peterbrusch1493 Жыл бұрын
Latency is always a theme for me and so this test very, very useful and surprising. Thank You so much!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome Peter, I'm happy to have been of some help!
@MrX-tv7mh Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Leo, it's so hard getting real world measurements from the Manufacturers themselves. If you have a live setup and are using fx loops for favourite fx it can quickly add up, add in a wireless transmitter and they can become unplayable 🤕 You're the consummate go-to guy for all things 'guitar'' 👌
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you so much, I'm really happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you also for sharing your findings!
@funkymonksrockband2187 2 жыл бұрын
Grazie Leo per i tuoi video! Da possessore di Nux Mg-30 e Hx Stomp non posso che essere soddisfatto! Ciao!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Grazie a te e grazie anche per aver condiviso la tua attrezzatura!!
@IamMusicNerd 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see where the Boss GT-1 would be. It’s a low cost budget portable unit, but Boss clearly makes very low latency products. So it might be the best value one out there.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, unfortunately I don't have a GT 1, therefore I can't tell. Thank you for your message and your suggestion!
@CL_Audio_Tuning 2 жыл бұрын
Truly a monumental test Leo! This is really really surprising and impressive, thank you for the info. Im enjoying a GP200 right now and really have not sat down to see if the latency is a problem for me, but so far im not too worried. Keep up the great content!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Claudio, thank you so much, I'm super happy that you like the video!!! Thank you also for sharing your experience!!
@CL_Audio_Tuning Жыл бұрын
Hey @@LeoGibsonGtr! A bit of info on this, which im sure you might know already, there was a user post in one of the Facebook groups for the GP a sample of the switching between presets to see what the unit was doing, and he noticed that there is a "fade in" effect applied to the sound to bring it in which seems to add a bit to the gap between effect or preset switching, im sure that fade in could be reduced and improve the overall experience and minimize the latency, im not sure if you detected that in any of your tests, but it would be interesting in see if Valeton at least could do something there. Thanks!
@flyguyty33 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your hard work. I’ve just recently decided to indulge into newer multi effects pedals since they have really progressed.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome Taylor, I'm happy to have been of some help!
@EvanKenobi 2 жыл бұрын
Few years ago I decided to buy a multifx/ modeller. It was at time when GT-1000 showed up in shops for the first time. I compared it to the Helix. The difference was massive. Helix felt like a plugin amp sim in a DAW, while GTK is as fast as real tubes and capacitors (which also need some time to fully saturate).
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for sharing your experience and your findings!
@aaronwalker5493 10 ай бұрын
I can't thank you enough for everything you do! You deserve way more subscribers than this.
@LeoGibsonGtr 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for such an amazing compliment!!!
@jjadams1000 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have the Nux MG30 and the Ampero MP 100. I haven’t noticed any latency in either units and am pleased the MG30 rated so highly, especially as it’s sort of a budget-priced modeler. Thanks for providing all this info…
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi George , you are welcome and thank you for sharing! yes the difference is hard to notice….
@scprojack83 2 жыл бұрын
Hi George, which would you recommend me between mg30 and ampero for the quality of the simulations? I am very undecided between the two ... thanks!
@jjadams1000 2 жыл бұрын
@@scprojack83 I’m leaning towards the MG30. Both units are great.
@peterfindorff6891 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Leo for your intensive and exact work, this video is an eye opener. It´s always good to get infos about gear from your videos.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm happy that you find the video useful!!!
@arthuralexander4687 5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for the video. Huge amount of work done for addressing the very important issue. 🤘
@LeoGibsonGtr 5 ай бұрын
You are welcome and I'm really happy to have been of some help!!!!
@everennui1 2 жыл бұрын
Also to answer your question about latency, I've never noticed any audio lag from the Stomp II, There have been issues with the software, Is the firmware, And sometimes it crashes when I'm trying to build a patch. I don't have very much experience with aunt modeling, My last one was the pod XT. I love that thing and I learned a lot from it. I don't have a lot of experience with tube amps either. I have a reissue 67 Princeton, A Chinese AC15, And they tone works 1/4 Watt amp. 10ms was a lot more than I expected, but I'm surprised I didn't notice it. 10 milliseconds while I'm recording is unbearable to me. Thanks again for your time, it's a huge test.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. Please notice that if you use Custom IRs, the Ampero is much quicker...by the way, even for me 10ms are not a problem at all...but some of us are more sensible. Thank you!
@CoenBijpost 3 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to see what happens when more complex patches are loaded too.
@LeoGibsonGtr 3 ай бұрын
Hi, yes I do agree...and I have done some deep dive specifically dedicated to signal units that you can find in my channel. Thank you!
@anantsaxena02 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Leo! I tried the HX Stomp and Strymon Iridium before deciding to purchase the NuX Amp Academy as it was at the price point I preferred. I am sensitive to latency and was worried about my choice (still waiting for delivery) if I compromised on a 'quality' feature like latency. This took away much anxiety, hope the Amp Academy lives up to this and other features you highlighted in your review! Cheers from Toronto :)
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, and I hope to have been of some help!
@angrybuzzy Жыл бұрын
Such an interesting test and results. Thanks, Leo!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the video!!!
@Dupdopy 2 жыл бұрын
Huge work done here, sir! Thank you for the insight!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!
@boshi9 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Leo! It’s possible for an impulse response to introduce latency, as a property of the IR file itself rather than the device doing the processing. Say, if you’re miking the cab from a distance when shooting the IR, there’s going to be some built-in delay that corresponds to the time it took the sound wave to travel through the air. This may potentially be an explanation for the result you’ve observed when testing Ampero. I’m wondering if this affects other devices on the list as well, just to a lesser extent.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Victor, I've check out almost any device comparing custom IR to internal cabs: there are differences, but very very thin. The Ampero Stomp II was the only device with such a big jump in latency: the internal cab introduces more latency that a custom IR. In my opinion that's because Ampero is making some calculations that are pretty heavy on the CPU, therefore introducing latency. Please notice that I have tested the signal with just the amp block, and it was very quick, then I have tested amp + cab and it was much slower...therefore it's the cab that is introducing latency. Let me also say that adding digitally delay for the wave to travel in the air would be something wrong, as the output of the modeller has to be sent to a speaker, and then the speaker produces the wave that travel to your ears... Thank you
@boshi9 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr It’s impressive how much work you’ve done testing all possibilities. My hypothesis was just that - a hypothesis. It could indeed be some sort of different algorithm running with built-in cabs on Ampero, or perhaps higher resolution IR or interpolation between multiple IRs. And yeah, you’re making a good point, though there use cases when you want that baked-in delay in an IR file. For example, you could mix a standard IR with a “room IR” to add some room flavor to your sound, and the latter IR will need to have the property I’m talking about in order to produce the correct result as it’s meant to add room reflections that come with a delay.
@JohnShalamskas 8 ай бұрын
On the more expensive modellers, latency is most likely dominated by the conversion from analog to digital at the input, and from digital to analog at the output of the modeller. Their DSP chips are very fast, and the algorithms employed are highly optimized for low latency.
@voyagemusicstudio2758 Ай бұрын
This is so interesting…I wonder, for the people that are sensitive to latency, what would be a latency change were you can actually feel this difference? By how much? I know it would be hard to measure but a cool test nonetheless. Great!
@LeoGibsonGtr Ай бұрын
Thank you! Yes, it would be an interesting test...even if I think that everyone has different sensitivity to latency.
@jmann6830 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Leo, the comparisons you provide for pedals, particularly this range are fantastic. Along with this and the other reviews of these units I purchased the Line 6 HX stomp. Other review sites were referenced during my research, but yours helped seal the deal. Great Job . Oh , let not forget your considerable skill as a guitarist. Thanks Leo !
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm super happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you for letting me know and for sharing your final choice!
@janluszczek1223 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as usual. Thanks for adding an important metric to the choices on the market. In case no one has said it (and I did not look through the comments), it's pronounced ley-ten-cy, kind of like the title of the song "Layla" by Derek and the Dominoes.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jan, thank you I'm happy that you like the video! Thank you also for your "English correction" !
@samuelpeinado1267 10 ай бұрын
Before buying my GT-1000 I tried all the high end modelers. I went with the GT-1000 because it felt the best. It felt the most real, and immediate. This was over 3 years ago, so it’s nice to see that this wasn’t just snake oil and wishes. Also it’s smaller than the others and has a built in expression pedal. I’m still happy with it about 3 years later.
@LeoGibsonGtr 10 ай бұрын
Hi, thank you so much for sharing your experience!
@razznote7586 9 ай бұрын
The quality of BOSS products, demonstrated from durability to build quality and now to latency is stellar. Some features that are being overlooked, always looking for quantity and other features.
@LeoGibsonGtr 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing.
@andyjm7122 2 күн бұрын
Great video! Thank you for showing such a long list. By the way, am important correction to your English: it's 'sensitive to latency', not 'sensible to latency.'
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 күн бұрын
You are welcome, I’m really happy that you appreciate the video! Thank you also for your correction!
@andyjm7122 2 күн бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr No worries!
@gallp13 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. Full of useful information presented in a professional and charming manner. Thank you Leo.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! I'm super happy that you like the video!!!
@acasadiluca 2 жыл бұрын
Ciao Leo. A parte il fatto che per questo video meriti il nobel per la pace..... 👍 Detto questo... Sono molto contento di vedere il mio iridium sul podio e estremamente sorpreso da alcune posizioni della classifica! Non sono molto sensibile alla latenza (se non davvero pesante). Direi quindi che nel 2022 per me è tutto sopportabile. Di sicuro però questo video aiuterà tanti indecisi... Quindi sei stato davvero grande!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Grazie mille! sono contento che il video ti piaccia! Concordo con te....sono tutti accettabili! Grazie ancora!
@bitdevice 2 жыл бұрын
Great content, thanks Leo! I'm happy with my GE250.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm happy that you like the video!
@jacobpittman1996 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Leo Gibson, with your doctorate of tone, once again, you have brought reason to a world of bias and snobbery (😋) through your well-planned comparison. Boss on top was not a huge surprise. In 2002 I started using the Roland VG-88 for work in the orchestra-pit. Boss-Roland has been doing ad/da conversion, creating and fighting latency since the late 1970s. What I am curious to know - what is Leo’s favorite of the 23? Cheers, Leo! Thank you for your detail.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jacob, your compliments really make me happy!!! Well...interesting question about 2023...I have to think about it...I have huge expectations about the BluGuitar Amp X....I can't wait to try out one unit....we will see... Thank you once more!!!
@dannysullivan3951 Жыл бұрын
Thank your very much. Great info for us latency sensitive types.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!
@svenson745 Жыл бұрын
very extensive comparison, thank you so much for your effort!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you like the video!!!
@JamesJLaRue Жыл бұрын
Excellent work. Noone else is providing this information.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the video!!!
@juliensamara3857 10 ай бұрын
Tank you very much ! I was hesitating about boss fx 100, it was important for me in live situation 🙏
@LeoGibsonGtr 10 ай бұрын
You are welcome and I'm happy to have been of some help!
@iancurrie8844 Жыл бұрын
With Roland’s legendary history with DSPs and synthesizers, it’s not surprise they have super low latency. Boss has dedicated dsps which simply outperform general processors. This is one of the reasons, among a few, that the katana is so beloved, whether people know why or not. It “feels” responsive because it is.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you so much for sharing!
@AlexWBKK Жыл бұрын
Wow. What a test. Thanks a lot! Exactly what i was looking for.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the test!
@yairkozo9117 4 ай бұрын
You have very useful content! Thank you Leo!
@LeoGibsonGtr 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for such amazing compliment that really makes me happy!!!
@dtrietsch Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Leo! This is something I've wondered about for a long time, because I *really* wanted to use a Helix with headphones, but I had to let it go because the latency. This also explains why I don't have a problem w/ the Strymon Iridium. Thanks again! Cheers!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome Dan, and I'm happy to have been of some help!
@thedirtyboulevard1805 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic work Leo! I guess latency can also be a big part of the delay or the time taken to load and respond to a patch when stomping from one patch to another. Which brings me to my question. My needs are simple, I just want to stomp through several patches when performing live as a solo busker, without missing a beat, but I recently found a Zoom G1Four had almost no discernible delay when stomping between patches whereas the Ampero II was unusable. Both were tried with the ‘same’ effects chain - drive-> amp ->cabinet->reverb. Your comments would be appreciated!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you like the video! The type of latency discussed in this video, is related to the gap between the time you hit a note and the time you actually hear the note. The latency between patches is a different story and I should do another video about it, as I noticed a lot of interest. In my opinion there are two things that can "alleviate" this problem: the first one is the scene management (for instance line 6 or NUC manage scene), where the pedalboard allows to change some parameter without gaps, or the trails / spillover, where the time effects basically don't stop when you switch presets. The scene management function is more rare, where the trails/ spillover is more common. To me the trail is essential and finally if it is available, is almost enough...but obviously this is my point of view. Thank you!
@maxwellalmeida7299 Жыл бұрын
Leo's channel is a wonderland for gear nerd like me
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you soooooo much!!!!!
@BlazonStone 2 ай бұрын
Damn, I noticed the Ampero Stomp II latency when I got it!!! I am returning it! I loved two patches I wanted to use, but having to change to IRs to reduce latency, makes it impossible to get those exact sounds... Too bad!
@rockstarjazzcat 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Internal signal path more or less matters. The higher priced units compromising around 3ms is probably not coincidental. Nice to see Boss pushing the envelope. FM9 would be interesting to see in there. Cheers Leo, Daniel
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Daniel, I'm happy that you find the video interesting!
@2ka244 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update. Great work. Would like to see a test of some units in conjunction with the UAFX amps you bought. Wonder how the BOSS GX does 0,7 ms while the GT 1000 works at a higher sample rate. Expected the BOSS GX at twice the latency of the GT 1000.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm happy that you like the video! In the video there is also the latency of the UAFX Dream 65. Maybe I will do a deep dive in the next weeks... Thank you!
@cyclone159 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for this i was planning on buying the Boss GX-100. Now I'm definitely going to.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, you are welcome and I'm happy to have been of some help!
@Dabugra 2 жыл бұрын
It’s great review absolutely! Thanks a much, Leo 🤝 I surprised understand what it’s discomfort problem for me, when start try ir play with units, but this parameter unreal to found, ups)) I’m ordered “core” and only thinking- may be better was take “gx”… wherever I saw, in gt a loooong fx chain without actual length, where gx seem very useful. In other parameters they both feeling sound great in nowadays…
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm happy to have been of some help!
@SerkanBerksoy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comparison, I am watching all your videos also nice playing. I had Helix LT for 2 years. Now I have the Kemper Stage. Really prefer my Kemper Stage over Helix LT. I don't think I ever recognized any differences. Also don't really care with direct tube amp input versus Kemper Stage connected to return of tube amp. Those small differences disappear during band practice or gigging.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm super happy that you like the videos and the playing! Thank you also for sharing your opinion and experience!
@Alex_Martz 2 жыл бұрын
Great tests! thanks for this info as most reviewers skip this vital information
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes, almost nobody talks about latency...but for some of us is a pretty important info... Thank you!
@lucasbelloni 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such unique content. Great video.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!!
@devilontheurn Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! This is very informative and useful to us. Great work!!! Merci👍🏼
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm happy that you found the video useful!
@myhapylife Жыл бұрын
I found that boss/roland are very good with latency, I watched video for digital wireless latency where all wirelesses are around 5ms and boss is around 2ms. Nux Amp Academy is surprise, it is very good option that sounds good. Latency is not an issue if you are playing home or similar. But live when you stack few digital units like modeler, some sfx, and digital wireless plus distance from amp/monitor it can add up, an can be noticable. Add 5ms to each point and very fast you are close to 20ms which is noticable.
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for sharing! Yes, I do agree.,..the problem may arrive also when you sum up the latency of many different devices...
@teknical100 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent as ever Leo. Thank you.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!
@jonathanarleys 11 ай бұрын
About milisecond to second it self, its about 1/1000 times... So, even from 7 ms (MG300) to 2ms (MG30), I can't tell the different (except for the soudn quality, its huge different for me)... And Yes, Boss always have better latency compared to newer models these days... Thanks for the comparisons, Leo...
@LeoGibsonGtr 11 ай бұрын
You are welcome and thank you for sharing
@guitaristinterrupted3558 Жыл бұрын
Wow just wow! You take the cake as always! Keep up the good work!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
Thank you, really appreciated!!!
@PlayFloyd_IN 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Thanks for the video, Leo!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!
@PlayFloyd_IN 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr - I'm pursuing my master's degree in data science at City, University of London and topics such as machine learning, digital signal processing, neural computing and computer vision are fascinating to me. What the guys at Mooer, line6, Nux and boss have done over the years is remarkable.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I do agree... Thank you for sharing your experience!
@HeartcoreMitRA 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is absolutely brilliant! I'd suggest you to look at quite an interesting topic of a pocket modellers, such as Mustang Micro, Nux Mighty Plug, Boss Pocket GT and Mooer Prime P1. I got myself a Nux thing and absolutely happy with it, it sounds better than my POD HD500X and you can take it anywhere with thing like portable JBL speaker(although lot of them has AUX latency and i had to use SoundCore Motion+ wich has no DSP on AUX channel), i even plug it into my car's audio and play sometimes at the parking lot.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for such a great compliment, that really makes ma happy!!! Yes, this is an interesting topic...actually there is a new device coming out that I can not reveal yet...and then a comparison with these mini devices would be pretty interesting...thank you once more!
@rialcarney902 2 жыл бұрын
Leo I been watching your videos for a little over a year and I love all of them. I am kinda gear nerd and love these type vids so thanks so much 🙏 but dude you really need to do a update on the quad cortex!!? For real would like to see either a comparison update or just a qc video. I have owned all of the more popular amp modelers and qc pretty good I’d like to know how to make it sound better out of a real cab though that and the way they do the signal chains seems kinda dumb but whatever.anyway please more qc content? Love the show gots a fan in Montana! 🙏 🙏 🙏 thankyou.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, these are the messages that really push me forward to make better content! You are right ... I should do more videos about the QC... I'm actually planning one that is gonna be pretty interesting in few weeks... Thank you once more!!!
@marcinczyz9159 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, the amount of work this must have taken. Much appreciated, Leo. The results are quite surprising, but I think that the majority of players couldn't feel a latency of even 10ms. It is still very little. I wonder what would be the actual threshold of latency, when it would start becoming a problem for the avarage player. I suspect it would have to be closer to 50-100ms.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Marcin, well even for me 10ms are not a problem, but some of us are more sensible to latency...so for some of us could be a problem...nevertheless, I think we have to find the right spot between latency and quality...I mean the more you push the algorithms and the converters..the more quality you have and the more you are gonna require in terms of processing power and therefore latency increases...and vice versa...the right spot seems to be around 3 ms, as QC, Fractal and Kemper are all almost there...just suppositions... Thank you!
@stevenvandemsky7290 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if you can hear differences in latency below 10 ms, but I‘m sure you can feel it while playing the guitar. I think I can feel the difference between tube amps and and a simple single channel non master volume amp feels better, more direct and immediate than a multi channel amp with all the bells and whistles like FX send, master volume, graphic eq and such. A „latency“ above let’s say 50 ms wouldn’t be called latency anymore, as it would be a delay, that anybody, even your grandma could hear.
@Leo_ofRedKeep 2 жыл бұрын
10 ms are like standing 3.43m away from the amplifier. Step back and see how far you can go before it becomes a problem to you.
@gordospeti Жыл бұрын
It is remarkable how much work you usually put in your vids! :) I have been hesitating between a modelling multieffect and an audio interface with PC software about latency. A better audio interface has 5 ms latency, and as I see the latency of modelling multieffects is very similar unluckily. Maybe 5 ms vs 3 ms. This difference is not that big. Thanx for the test!
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome and I'm really happy that you find the videos useful. Thank you also for sharing your findings!
@blackmanx5845 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this Leo, what an incredible video subject and comparisons. Personally, I am very sensitive to latency and it used to bug me to no end back in the days of low CPU power when trying to pile on the guitar effects and playing "real-time" (cough), while recording. I suppose that our brains are able to compensate for this while playing over time, meaning you get used to it and don't even realize you are playing ever so slightly, ahead of the beat. I wonder, since most reviewers have a short time to review new units, the lower latency units may be more "comfortable" to play and in the human brain it's rolled into the overall "sensation" of the reviewers experience. This brings me to the Boss GX-100 and it's many favorable reviews. So many reviewers could not pinpoint why they liked the unit so much even though there are better modeling units out there. Granted it does have a lot going for it, but I am wondering if the nature of it's low latency played into this. I do have a GX-100 and love it for so many reasons, but I don't have other units to compare it with. Your thoughts?
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you so much, I'm happy that you like the video!!! It's for sure an interesting topic....there is a very subjective and personal way of choosing gear, I mean I would say that it's like a guitar...you may test many of them and you may find that one stand out, but you don't know exactly the reason why...In my experience, the modellers I like the most are the ones that better manage the dynamic range of my touch..I mean the ones that can give me back the nuances of how I pick the string, how I incline the pick, how strong or soft I play...we put so much effort practicing and trying to express emotion with the way we play, that we need modellers able to respond to our touch in a proper way. To me latency is not an issue anymore with modern modellers: I love the Ampero Stomp II as I love the BOSS GX 100, because they are both able to respond pretty well to my touch. And after this test I'm even more sure that latency is not a problem for me...obviously this is totally personal, but for some of us latency could be the number one thing to search for, and therefore what your are saying could be absolute right..I mean they can feel, maybe unconsciously, that a modeller is better, as it respond quicker to their touch. Thank you once more!
@blackmanx5845 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thank you sir for your response. Agreed, it could be very subjective, and putting your finger on the "why" is as elusive as it's not the guitar, but the player. These are things that fascinate me since it borders on the intangible zone when it comes to music and playing the guitar. I guess we are strange creatures as players, I mean people that really notice, or care about the difference. Kinda funny when you think about it, the fuss we make but the 99% of the others, listeners, would never know the difference. I really enjoy your videos and please keep on keeping on!
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I'm super happy that you enjoy the videos!!!
@petercook3911 10 ай бұрын
I bought an MX5 recently and liked so much about it (particularly its sound and its looper) but noticed a slight feeling of disconnect when playing it, did some research and found your video that shows it has a latency of around 6ms. I measured it too (by recording direct and processed into Audacity), and got the same result (even with amp and cab simulation off). Apparently it uses a generic processor, which might explain this result. I also measured the Boss GT-1 which is a more basic unit and its latency is minimal, somewhere around 1ms.
@petercook3911 10 ай бұрын
I also meant to say thank you so much for taking the time to make this video!
@LeoGibsonGtr 10 ай бұрын
You are welcome Peter, and I'm happy that the results are the same!
@phodge94 Жыл бұрын
excellent video, I will go for low latency board (thinking boss gx100) .
@LeoGibsonGtr Жыл бұрын
You are welcome, I'm happy to have been of some help!
@christophegindrat3049 9 ай бұрын
Congratulations for this real hard and important work! I love that kind of scientific analyse. Still I'm not sure what I should think about the "Totzeit" topic. My problem: When I switch form one sound to another, by pedal, (any effects, for example distortion) would this be the same latency?
@LeoGibsonGtr 9 ай бұрын
Hi, thank you, I'm really happy that you like the video. The time gap when you switch preset is NOT analyse in this video, it's a different topic. Typically you refer at it as "gap while switching preset" and not latency....but everybody has his own habits. Thank you!
@mondayzooliveband4215 9 ай бұрын
Many thanks !
@XJacksonvilleX 3 ай бұрын
can you make a video comparing the latency of all the budget multifx? sonicake matribox 1 and 2, mg400, nux30, valeton gp200, ampero mini...
@LeoGibsonGtr 3 ай бұрын
I wil think about it, thank you for your suggestion!
@ClaudioGiraud 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Leo! I recently bought a GX-100 and my first impression was that I feel a little bit better dynamic response than my others units: AX8, HX Stomp and Gigboard. Maybe the scientific answer to my intuition is this video. In other words, I feel a little more real the amps, specially the clean models.
@LeoGibsonGtr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Claudio, thank you for sharing!
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