Laugo Alien vs 2011 (NightHawk Fire Hawk)

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23 күн бұрын

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Due to the friendship and generosity of our friends at @leadsteel as well as Sinistral Rifleman selling his plasma to acquire a Laugo Alien, we had the rare opportunity to put both of these $5,000+ pistols up against one another.
So...let's do what InRange is best known for: SCIENCE!

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@peternicol3439 22 күн бұрын

I notice Phagan didn't say whose Kidney he Donated 😀👽

@MumrikDK 22 күн бұрын

It was from his collection.

@eargesplitten9876 22 күн бұрын

I thought I had been feeling weird since CQB.

@TheOnlyBonsai 22 күн бұрын

kidney arbitrage

@corvae 22 күн бұрын

Some guy's.

@nickbeckwith6211 21 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@DeviantOllam 22 күн бұрын

This was a really cool test, and even as the data is a little more anecdotal than scientific... I still think it's totally worthwhile and compelling

@InrangeTv 22 күн бұрын

SCIENCE

@monotech20.14 22 күн бұрын

@@InrangeTv When it comes to double stack 1911s why don't I see people use the Para Ordnance in .45?

@machooke4846 21 күн бұрын

@@InrangeTvAs Adam Savage taught us, you have to write it down to make it SCIENCE. Otherwise it's just screwing around.

@brianhamalainen8817 21 күн бұрын

@@InrangeTvcould you please post graphs of times for each person/model for when they fired each shot?

@esthera3923 20 күн бұрын

@@InrangeTv Yeah Mr Karl, yeah science!

@cr0ss0ut 22 күн бұрын

Notice all guys shooting the 2011 kept a consistent shooting rate through the drill, whereas shooting the alien, they all sped up after 2-3 rounds, meaning once the got use to the aliens recoil they knew they could drive the gun faster. Alien won hands down but I bet if they had more time and practice on the platform it would be lights out.

@gregoryfilin8040 21 күн бұрын

Should've done another run with the Alien

@BillyONeal 21 күн бұрын

That could also say things about the trigger there since they all said they wished the Alien had a better trigger reset

@VaterOrlaag 22 күн бұрын

Garrett has a cap with Trogdor the Burninator. Clearly a man of culture.

@brianhamalainen8817 21 күн бұрын

Oh, schnap! I hadn't caught that! THATCHED ROOF COTTAGGGGGESSSS!

@somersethuscarl2938 22 күн бұрын

So a Fire hawk is almost as good as an Alien and costs almost one and a half the cost of an Alien? Rightio noted

@V3RTIGO222 22 күн бұрын

That was a yikes to me

@trvrfx5 22 күн бұрын

Sure, but only one of them can compete in the same division as other non-ported guns. If the Alien does not make sense, then you probably are not playing the games it was built for.

@V3RTIGO222 22 күн бұрын

@@trvrfx5 that's not a 'but'' that's 'and also' It's blasting overpriced 2011s out of the water. 7k for a Firehawk vs 5k for Alien?

@somersethuscarl2938 22 күн бұрын

@@V3RTIGO222 Yep almost as good, or to put it another not quite as good for over $2000 more ....... Hum .... Yes ... Hum

@hornmonk3zit 22 күн бұрын

@@V3RTIGO222 They're still both ridiculously overpriced, that 2011 cost more than four of my last five cars combined. Pretty much any other manufacturer could get the cost of either under a grand, PSA could make them $450 MSRP but there'd be a 50/50 chance they'll market it but never release them.

@TheCoopMan 22 күн бұрын

I think a lot of people got sticker shock when the alien came out. But this really is what it’s designed to compete with. If you’re not into this level of competition, you would never think of dropping $5k on a pistol. But that’s actually mid range for what someone the guys spend. I’ve seen race rigs in the $10k range when fully decked out. As they showed here, $7k is not out of the question for a base gun.

@KyussTheWalkingWorm 22 күн бұрын

The Laugo is also influenced by the EU market where civilian handgun buyers are much less price conscious.

@maximusjoseppi5904 21 күн бұрын

its not sticker shock... the gun isnt worth $5k. plain and simple. its a $1000-2000 gun with an absurd "we're only making x number of these" markup blah blah hype, paid youtube infomercials. someone will copy the design and make it for $1k

@m.w.2401 20 күн бұрын

The laugo looks cool but thats it, can't even be used in much of the divisions 2011's can. Also uses proprietary parts. Anything happens to a 2011 I can fix or replace it myself.

@fuzzyreticle 22 күн бұрын

The Glock guy gets it.

@blshouse 22 күн бұрын

Complains about the reset and gritty triggers... Yep, that's Glock alright. 😅

@mageyeah7763 22 күн бұрын

He gets that the Glock is one tenth the price. Most important feature for most people.

@blshouse 22 күн бұрын

@@mageyeah7763 why buy a gun when you can throw a -glock- err, a rock. ;-)

@SpartacusColo 21 күн бұрын

@@blshouse Yeah, but for the price of an Alien, you can get a Glock plus a nice aftermarket trigger kit, a nice AR, an ACOG, and a bunch of ammo.

@BurningMonkey 22 күн бұрын

SCIENCE!! I totally enjoyed watching the video

@moosemaimer 22 күн бұрын

Blood for the blood god Livers for the Laugo fund

@armor1979chev 22 күн бұрын

very interesting seeing the recoil in rapid succession across, and im feeling that the sight moving with the slide also caused extra lift as its mass added to the movement as the owner mentioned at the end. Great video!

@peternicol3439 22 күн бұрын

It'd maybe interesting if Karl has or can acquire the 9mm kit for his FK Brno PSD (If he still has it) to see how it compares to the Alien as it started out as a competition pistol.

@bdsmchs 22 күн бұрын

There's simply no way a PSD can compete with the Alien. I own both, and the recoil system on the PSD is way too slow. Awesome gun though. Just completely different designs and use-cases. The PSD is just a big CZ75 with a very heavy slide.

@lupis42 22 күн бұрын

PSD is not in the same league at all. Bore axis is higher, more recoiling mass, tilting barrel, it's not playing the same games at all. The PSD makes 10mm feel like 9

@pa3gungal 22 күн бұрын

I didn’t really “get” the Alien until I shot one with irons at a local match where the Laugo USA guys brought out some demo guns. A good 2011 can keep the dot within the window under recoil and shoot within shooter’s margin of error just like the Alien (as this video shows), but with irons the difference was night and day. I regularly shoot a 2011 with irons in 3 gun TacOps division, and the Alien with non-reciprocating irons blew it out of the water. It was the same effect that a “Limited” 2011 with a front sight block would have, only more so because the rear sight doesn’t move either.

@lcplfoust668 22 күн бұрын

I love Russel he is just like yea I got an alien no big deal. Legit every video it’s like someone killed his dog.

@SinistralRifleman 22 күн бұрын

24 years in the firearms industry will do that to you.

@CZ65 18 күн бұрын

It was the atf for sure.

@tab8201 22 күн бұрын

That was a fun head-to-head. Looking forward to hearing about the Alien later down the line and whether it's still as good after a year or more.

@herddog2807 20 күн бұрын

Shows alot about the optics position,thanks guys

@Gunge-vq2ik 20 күн бұрын

GREAT INFO/ANALYSIS!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!

@jollyrodgerfabrication 22 күн бұрын

Lmao harvesting organs to buy pew pews 😂

@alexcapps9290 22 күн бұрын

I think if anything this is a win for the laugo alien design. I mean it's flatter with no ports compared to a gun with over 100 years of optimization and a large port

@alun7006 21 күн бұрын

@@alexcapps9290 cheaper, too!

@GentleGiant-tt2uu 22 күн бұрын

Good you skip cringe intros that other guntubers do.

@commandZee 22 күн бұрын

I have lots of other guns, but for around $400 lightly used with tons of aftermarket support, I'm still a Glock guy too.

@nickneider3428 22 күн бұрын

Riding the reset, the fastest way to get trigger freeze 🥶

@critaper328 22 күн бұрын

seriously, if you have a solid grip, slap that trigger like it owed you money

@BillyONeal 22 күн бұрын

Neat side by side

@jg-ub4ek 22 күн бұрын

Neat!!

@markswann 22 күн бұрын

Hardcore science, what do you feel 😂 awesome 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@linus11vf1j 19 күн бұрын

I would have thought Karl would carry a Schofield, not a SAA 😆

@mooktemas6800 16 күн бұрын

Question: What did you have for lunch? Answer: I’m still a Glock guy! 😂

@GA-br8wj 22 күн бұрын

Yea!! Science!! 😁

@davidvincent5701 22 күн бұрын

Night Hawk vs Fire Hawk. Is this the Honda vs Suzuki thing all over again.

@maxnomad8561 Күн бұрын

the Chiappa Rhino recoils the least, is harder hitting, and more 'reliable' under pressure? ok, good to know ;)

@viclange3826 10 күн бұрын

Not the 2011 I was expecting, tbh

@PilotMichal3d 17 күн бұрын

@leadandsteel- which optic adapter plate do you use to mount the pandora onto the alien slide?

@ethan5.56 22 күн бұрын

Hell yeah

@pmgn8444 22 күн бұрын

As I'm not a competitive shooter, the scientific result is that I have better things to spend my money on! But still an interesting review. (Double checks to make sure The Sinister Rifleman hasn't harvested any of my organs...)

@alialwan4587 22 күн бұрын

sick scarf karl ! great video !

@laladoodieincarnate 22 күн бұрын

Its a shemagh, theyre cheap and easy to find. The one Karl is wearing is cool indeed

@rhubarbpie2027 22 күн бұрын

@@laladoodieincarnateor a keffiyah.

@FirstDagger 22 күн бұрын

@@laladoodieincarnate Watch out for Karens claiming that you are a t****rist though when you wear it.

@R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford 22 күн бұрын

@laladoodieincarnate it may be a keffiya, can't really tell through video as the difference between the two is fabric weight, and afaik there's some overlap

@alialwan4587 22 күн бұрын

@@laladoodieincarnate haha yes bro I'm Arab, I have many myself !

@Snuffy03 22 күн бұрын

I have been a 1911 guy for over half a century. But I do believe these custom companies gouge their customers. A well maintained standard 1911 that has all its parts polished and cleaned up, functions just as well as the $5,000 "custom" variety. That being said, I think the Alien is one of the coolest sidearms on the market. But, being retired, I can't afford that either these days. And I do not have access to vital organs to sell on the black market.😁

@eddyguizonde401 22 күн бұрын

you're obviously not trying hard enough to access organs, then. rent out a field and say "free dirt bike trail". then get a bucket

@Snuffy03 22 күн бұрын

@@eddyguizonde401 Now THAT is an idea. But as I've gotten older, I'm just too lazy to put forth the effort. Guess I'll just have to admire from a distance and live vicariously through the experiences of others.😭

@soylentgreen7074 22 күн бұрын

Recoil looks very similar. I wonder if the dot not moving on the alien is the biggest difference.

@tengu190 18 күн бұрын

Need a Korth PRS and Grand Power X-Calibur in that as well. What would a comped alien be like?

@angusmatheson8906 22 күн бұрын

I REALLY want a laugo alien.

@purplepenguin43 22 күн бұрын

The thing that appealed to me about the lago which they have yet to support is the fixed barrel would be let you run a supressor with no booster.

@spocknasty 22 күн бұрын

Gotta love the B&T Alien specific suppressor that just screws right on!

@kobeh6185 21 күн бұрын

Over some graph paper, and doing the drill, say 5 times each rather than just 1 (and keeping say, the best 3 from each shooter) would probably illustrate this better. When the gun isnt yours and you havent gotten used to the trigger, that induces a lot of variable thats pretty palpable in this test.

@HeiniSauerkraut 22 күн бұрын

@Russell Phagan Did you need an adapter for that Optik on the Alien? I am looking for a closed emitter RDS for my Alien. The original optic mount is for C-More like optics, which I consider as to fragile for hard use.

@SinistralRifleman 22 күн бұрын

Yes there is a adapter plate to use ACRO style sights available

@ANobleRabbit 22 күн бұрын

Ahmad's shirt is awesome

@509Gman 22 күн бұрын

Can you explain it? I figure it’s an outline of Palistinrael, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ANobleRabbit 22 күн бұрын

@@509Gman it's Palestine 🍉

@509Gman 22 күн бұрын

@@ANobleRabbit that’s it?

@ANobleRabbit 22 күн бұрын

@@509Gman yes, Palestine's borders are defined

@509Gman 21 күн бұрын

@@ANobleRabbit I mean, there’s no further significance?

@alexbrown7665 21 күн бұрын

Is he going to let you mud test the Alien?

@WaterZer0 22 күн бұрын

I'm curious how the Alien would do with a port or comp.

@509Gman 22 күн бұрын

They make one

@TheCosmicGuy0111 22 күн бұрын

Woah

@TheOlsonOutfit 22 күн бұрын

Is it just me or did the 2011 seem to recoil more on the first shot? Like the shooter didn't quite know how hard to drive it until after the first shot.

@Just_Some_Person 22 күн бұрын

Garrett gets Glock

@gregwright392 22 күн бұрын

Would of liked the light removed from the 2011. Seems it added weight the other didn't have that may have mitigated a minor amount of recoil!

@eargesplitten9876 22 күн бұрын

Karl Bad Man

@shark_actual 21 күн бұрын

SCIENCE!

@Malikken 20 күн бұрын

everybody was faster with the Alien

@lfz2946 22 күн бұрын

More recoil comparison

@wadewilson6135 22 күн бұрын

I am currently doing the same thing by selling 10-12 guns to get an Alien Creator. IMO its one of if not the only pistol to come out in the last 30 years that it truly innovative.

@joeputn7956 22 күн бұрын

loot drop

@m00nraise 21 күн бұрын

So why not throw a compensator on the Alien for a fair comparison.

@templar804 22 күн бұрын

2:22 - 2:54 DING DI-DING DING DING DI-DING DING DING DING.

@morbidsnake 22 күн бұрын

Who the hell is Carson?

@Alyeska23 22 күн бұрын

Alien has less reciprocating mass. The slide weighs less and the optic doesn't add to the momentum. I'd love to see even more fixed barrel gas system pistols.

@joe125ful 22 күн бұрын

Laugo Alien win easy. Tech,design,accuraci... Nighthawk is soo boring to me but good too.

@j--b7 21 күн бұрын

🧪 SCIENCE 🔭

@mattheide2775 21 күн бұрын

Mud test for the alien? I'm kidding of course, both are Competition guns and they are not designed for military use. Please don't do it😊

@maximusjoseppi5904 21 күн бұрын

i cant imagine someone paying $5000 for a production line pistol.... for that much money, it should be fully customized and you talked to the gunsmith who hand finished it and picked your serial number.

@YERAFirearms 22 күн бұрын

Alien may flip less. However, it is not worth the extra cents

@alun7006 22 күн бұрын

The 2011 is MORE expensive than the Alien!

@YERAFirearms 21 күн бұрын

@@alun7006 It depends on which 2011 I have Para(s) and SVI Infinities I used to have many Staccato/STI

@JimTempleman 22 күн бұрын

Just add a muzzle brake to the Alien.

@ostiariusalpha 22 күн бұрын

Except the muzzle brakes on the market are designed to compensate for conventional pistols. You don't want to put any old brake on that will dip your muzzle down with every shot, it should be specifically engineered to work with the Alien.

@joe125ful 22 күн бұрын

For what exacty? It have minimum climb..

@ostiariusalpha 22 күн бұрын

@@joe125ful Right, you would be using it less as a muzzle compensator, and more to simply reduce overall recoil.

@joe125ful 22 күн бұрын

@@ostiariusalpha Laugo and need reduce recoil? Are you kidding right?

@JimTempleman 22 күн бұрын

@@ostiariusalpha Exactly. And yes, it should be designed specifically for the Alien.

@bigbearrunfast 22 күн бұрын

I’m surprised you would promote lead & steel. They sent FocusTripp a C&D over a negative review and had a back and forth response videos

@roguewavetraining2499 22 күн бұрын

They've addressed that before previously. FT was being dishonest and not giving all the info...

@KurtAustin2448 22 күн бұрын

focustripp's identity is just burning bridges and then complaining when he can't go anywhere.

@chadmckinney8465 21 күн бұрын

Who cares. Both are hideously overpriced

@recoilrob324 22 күн бұрын

If someone actually used one of these guns for 'social' purposes....not having a brake barking back at you might save your hearing. Competition guns vs street tools should never be assumed to be the same.

@eargesplitten9876 22 күн бұрын

Guns loud regardless, your hearing is going to be damaged either way, not convinced that a few rounds with comp vs a few rounds without comp would make a difference.

@KurtAustin2448 22 күн бұрын

Because non-comped pistols are somehow hearing safe? Is that what you're trying to say? Sure seems like it.

@hornmonk3zit 22 күн бұрын

Unless you're dumping thousands of rounds in a phone booth that's literally a non-issue. FPSRussia still has his hearing and the closest thing to hearing protection he ever wore were gaming headsets as a joke. You WILL NOT notice a difference in damage to your hearing if you only fire two rounds with a comp versus a bare muzzle, you won't even get any noticeable damage. I know because I've shot way bigger guns than 9mm without earpro both indoors and outdoors, and my yearly hearing tests all say I have excellent hearing. My hearing is so excellent in fact I can hear plug in pest deterrents, which don't work btw they just annoy the shit out of me while the rats and spiders ignore them.

@davidvincent5701 22 күн бұрын

Night Hawk vs Fire Hawk. Is this the Honda vs Suzuki thing all over again.

@AkiSan0 22 күн бұрын

what? those are two very different things. thats like comparing ford and mercedes or so.