Excuse me what. THATS LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLOT.

this comment needs more likes lol

That's like adapting Lolita and not realizing the protagonist is supposed to be the bad guy!

@@sarahbogaert6017 I know right, and they just left out. I was practically screaming in the theater when it ended

@@ninjabluefyre3815 ugh another book I really like that’s been ruined in adaptations

You know what they say, it's the inside that counts

what a way to completely ignore the books background, completely ignore the source material. Anyone that read the book knows that this whole video is just bullshit. ITS NOT BASED ON FRANKENSTEIN. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU SLANDER SOMETHING

And Hollywood wonders why everyone thinks they're all creeps

When she summarized the movie, I was like "that's just Lolita but even worse somehow" 😭 Edit: by worse I mean the things that happen to Bella are somehow even more revolting than what happens to Dolores in her novel.

Just a fantasy too many people have 🤮

"i don't understand how to eat food but men sure like it when i bounce up & down on their genitals so i'm just going to do that. feminism!"

Not even a child … A.WHOLE.ASS.BABY 😭😭😭

I have not seen it, so bear with me, but is that not the point? That the ideal woman is a literal infant who will go along with whatever a man says and has a sexy body? These men ARE disgusting, you are meant to be disgusted

thats pretty much the point. the whole thesis of the movie is how men view women. so its pretty telling how gross the men are in this movie is when their attracted to what is essentially a child in a woman’s body, and how they get less attracted when she becomes more mature and intelligent. a lot of men in the real world are like this (the movie just depicted it in an extremely on the nose way)

@@FF-ch9nr ) then where are the incels boycotting the film?

New book to add to my collection!

read this recently too! hah bald

Is this just horror or is there other things?

​@@nadiahapsari3359as far as i could see from the preview is not horror, you can go read it, there's a 50 page preview on google, it's great! I wish i could buy it but I'm broke lol

Wasn't frankie the nickname of the sister doctor? Full name Frances ai if i recall correctly

Thats insane to think she was 18. Ive read it and it was amazing. Heard she finished most during one night with a bottle x)

And she wrote it from a dare to write a horror story!

I also love that she was the reason why one of her friends (the guy that wrote Dracula) to also publish his story because he was scared that nobody would like his story but because she told him it was great he published his own monster story Edit: typo

Not to mention her mother was an influential early feminist and thinker who eschewed social norms of her day and had a fascinating life, where she went to France to witness and be involved with the politics of the French Revolution.

She also had to publish it anonymously because if a woman wrote a murder mystery, she could have faced severe backlash.

If You Google yorgos filmography You Will SEE that his firts work, was a 10 minute film that is based on the r4pe of a woman ... Sooooooooooooo ...

That's not the only one of his films that does that...

baby's first Lanthimos movie

Please I'ma throw up 😭

That's not even a fetish. That is borderline pedophilia 💀

first of all, the original novel described Frankenstein as being made in the perfect image. he was flawless except for the uncanny, lifeless look in his eyes. second of all, even if we’re going off of the movie, he’s all scarred because he was out together from dismembered body parts, whereas Bella was found dead and revived with a transplanted brain. she does have a scar on her head from the surgery, and another from her pregnancy. *edited for spelling

@@galibobali we get it, bro, you really wish it was legal to fuck toddlers and women with lobotomies, you don't have to keep pretending this movie was good.

​@@galibobali That's not true at all. Frankenstein (the scientist) chose parts of bodies that he thought were beautiful individually but when they all came together in reanimation, the final result was horrendous, which is why he was disgusted and ran from his own "son". That's like the main driver of the plot as almost everyone who encounters him is disturbed by his appearance. Mary Shelley described him as hideous.

​@galibobali ......I think you need to reread the book girl

@@1Xpandi EXACTLY!!

I know! It's so common in media nowadays, maybe just as common as it used to be in old movies, (despite what the directors say) and it makes me sick. The number of movies I have been enjoying then shut off as soon as an unnecessary sex/rape scene comes on is too many to count. As someone who has been interested in directing a TV show since I first came about movies/TV shows as a kid, it really needs to change soon.

@@strawberrylipstick3231even worse is when it’s portrayed as ‘empowering’ like yea sex isn’t something to be ashamed of but writing a movie where a woman gets exploited over and over and over again is shameful!!

unrelated, love the pfp :)

And when the "ugly" woman is there for too long, she's made fun of for her appearance

​@@bob_marlee03 Same, it's nice to see some Higurashi fans

IKR? My jaw dropped when I saw "disgusting" in the title 😭 that's harsh language for her

As an og fan FR

she’s so angry she isn’t whispering , she’s softy talking 😱😱

FR

That or the time she talked about EDs in her men writing women video.

It’s based on a book that was intended as satire. But from lavender towns description it sounds like it was handled poorly

It is. This movie says a lot about how the society/men around Bella mistreat and take advantage of her while she is "growing up." It turns while they're on the ship when Bella seeks out friends of her choosing, starts reading, and becomes aware that suffering exists. It continues with her choosing to work in a brothel despite what broader society would hoist on her for that decision, choosing a loving relationship with a woman, and attending community events via the socialist club. By the end, Bella recognizes her mistreatment but has to reconcile those feelings with the familial love she still has for Godwin. While not perfect, I think this movie was pretty clear with its use of satire because the audience knows how weird/disturbing all the early scenes are considering Bella's mental/emotional age.

@@beebonious That's really well put, and that's kinda what I got from the movie as well. There were things like how she was always well shaven, and how she decided to marry a guy who wanted to marry her in the past, knowing she was pretty much a toddler, so in that sense I feel like the director could have handled it better.

its supposed to be weird and disturbing!! It is commentary!!

@@PapaPalina Yeah I agree, her relationship with Max was the only one I had mixed feelings about, because of that. There were good points to it, like flipping the expectation of exclusivity and loyalty. How in media men are portrayed as the adventurers who go off exploring and make their love wait for them at home for years, and usually experiment with other lovers along the way, while the woman is portrayed as waiting faithfully for her man to return and thinking none the less of him when he does, and all this is just fine. But of course for most people the idea of a woman doing that to a man is outrageous and scandalous, and the man respecting that decision is seen as pathetic and/or abused. This is the only example I think I've ever seen in media that flipped those roles, so I appreciate that about their relationship. I do agree that him being framed as the acceptable life partner after his initial predatory interest was questionable. The best way I could look at this is as a statement on women's options, and on the complexity of forgiveness in a system that facilitates and encourages abusive and exploitative behavior. If that was the intention, I don't think they got that across as well as they could have. However art is interpretable and I otherwise enjoyed the movie, so this is how I choose to see the conclusion of that plotline.

Honestly, yes.

it couldve been wonderful i think the plot had true potential, like seeing things that happened to you when you were a little girl happen to a girl when youre grown is such a real thing so many afab people experience and wanting to stop that cycle of abuse couldve been wonderful. but no it had to be more about oo sexy lady

They were THIS CLOSE to making a cute movie, but we can't have nice things.

@@reganraffield8113 EXACTLY!!!!

This could have been about the infantilization of women and the way abusers go after women that are dependent or easy to manipulate. Like, there is definitely a push for women to look and act cute, pure, innocent and childlike

And I love it even more when critics praise those half ass attempts of "feminism" for being brave and innovative when all it has is women doing stuff meanwhile movies like Nemona get "Wikipedia article on dysphoria" ass reviews

Wait, what's wrong with the wikipedia article on dysphoria?

@@bloomypeach6168 (for context I'm saying this as a trans person) I was mostly criticizing how a lot of media critics almost never demand representation that goes beyond "half deep explorations of character" as those are both easily marketable while getting all the brownie points Ex: how a lot of movies are praised for adding more representation when all they did was put/recast a random character as a POC or other minority without actually exploring the character in any meaningful way Movies like Nemona that genuinely grapple with the struggles of queerness, identify and self love get the same surface level analysis and review that are almost insulting to the intentions of the original creators My critic of the "Wikipedia article on dysphoria" ass reviews is that a lot of movies critics genuinely boiled down the story to its most bare bones progressive interpretation without any of the systematic critic(some of them literally spell out what dysphoria means to the audience)

@airplanes_aren.t_real I am 1000% using that description of surface level critiques going forward, that is BRILLIANT (also, I’m trans too. High five)

except its not repackaged, its not based on frankenstein, its based on a great book of the same name, stop spreading false hate over made up facts

I literally have no idea why this film was called feminist. Like you said, the feminist theme was off.

So why does she have to be an experiment?

the book tells that the story is her husband's fantasy because he was jealous of her the movie does none of that, and you don't need countless nude scenes focusing on female nudity to hammer the point of men taking advantage of her, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo did the same point and did it better

As per usual

Sometimes the answer is usually very simple. I think both the director and writer are creeps lol

@@Shatt3r3d_R3ality ngl trying to argue with the "everyone in Hollywood is pedo" conspiracy theorists feels more like an uphill battle every day and movies like these *do not help*

I just hope that's not the case...

I haven’t seen the movie yet. But the idea of a what’s basically a baby being sexually abused is disgusting. I can’t even fathom what that has to do with the story of Frankenstein or how that could be feminist in any way. This feels all kinds of creepy

It’s a surrealist movie it’s not supposed to be taken as “feminist”. As a woman I relate heavily to Bella’s character in the movie.

​@@cyndlehick9777You okay?

@@genericname2747 Probably not

@@cyndlehick9777 I do as well, though I would actually call it feminist, both in the way they undermine and expose the "born sexy yesterday" trope, and through the general metaphor of her experience for that of women growing into maturity in a predatory world. Either way, I think people are taking the movie far too literally.

@@La-PetitMort Bro, how are you two going to virtue signal AND shit on someone relating to an abused character in the same breath? The lack of self-reflection is wild.

and in all honesty, it makes me sad that people think this movie is about sexual liberation, it seems like everyone just stopped watching after the second act. Sex, there it was. Bella found freedom through sex, that gave meaning to her life and made her an actualized person. The end. Come on guys, let’s think past the shock. Sex was only one of the facets of her hedonistic phase. she delve into it the same way she stuffed herself with pastries. I have seen pg 13 movies sexualize woman’s body with slow motion zooms of random body parts that serve no point to the story. If showing a nude body is sexualizing it, i’m sorry but there are man naked in this too. Bella never wears corsets or make up (apart from the brothel phase), no bodice making her curves more visible. Duncan in the other hand, wears corsets, heals, butt pads, calves and thighs pads in order to make his body more attractive and voluminous. His curves are highlighted and exaggerated in every single scene he appears in the movie like a freaking peacock.

And praised for being a "feminist retelling"

This was my overall feeling!!! Like it had so much potential. :

@@LavenderTowne potential is as indicative of how high something can fly as it is to how low it can sink

Good golly you're right! The starting premise allows for you to cast an adult actor, meaning you don't have to deal with the whole "how to portray a fictional child being put in these kinds of situations without harming the real child who's cast as them" issue (like that "Cuties" film had).

if people actually watch the film they will realise how the men actually *are* portrayed as controlling creeps and audiences are not encouraged to align with them LOL

That's why they hated She-Hulk so much. It's made through a distinctly feminist lens, and they won't tolerate that.

@@WobblesandBeanso that’s why she hulk got so much hate. I never got to watch it so I couldn’t find out for myself why it was bad

you took the words out my mouth. The audacity to proclaim that a man somehow made a more feminist version of a book that was originally written by a woman, during a time when it was a feminist act to simply write a book as a woman.

​@@shannarafryer3111It has to do with the fact it was a feminist show and a comedy, men wanted an action show and for the lead girl to have flaws but not flaws that would dare make her seem unlikable, not like humans are inherently flawed creatures The show isn't perfect but it definitely got way too hate for just being a comedy show

​@shannarafryer3111 It's not like, the best show ever but for what it is its pretty good actually.

Omg i love that book! Super fun read ❤️

@@ThatGalWithTheRawMeat yeah!!

oh nice! maybe ill check it out. seems like a good read

I fully agree with you

Yesss absolutely

bro Renfield is awsome. I love how crazy he acts

we love Renfield here!

Imagine a dark comedy that's just a side villain support group. Reinfield and Igor just complaining about their bosses

Like in Xavier renegade angel there's a 14 year old who looks like a 80 year old, so poor things didn't made it first

I'd say, a reverse loli. The concepts are swapped, but, functionally, it's still loli.

It’s objectively worse. For a loli could demonstrate a level of maturity where a reverse loli could not.

@@jaredgreen2363 real

Probbably like the original creature of Frankeinsten's experiment, they looked like an adult but were just born.

I gotta agree here it made an honest attempt at satire and social commentary but fell short by focusing too much on the wrong aspects

Yeah I was surprised that it’s labeled ‘feminist’, I thought it was an artsy horror movie about the predatory nature of men.

I’m so glad someone else’s special interest is Frankenstein! I love the story so much 😭

Why? /gen

but it’s not based on frankenstein it’s its own thing 😭

@@liamross340 yeah but it does draw enough parallels between itself and the original tale that one could easily interpret it as at least "inspired by Frankenstein"

@@airplanes_aren.t_real from what ive seen, its marketed as a “girl/feminist frankenstein” but it has none of the themes or concepts of the actual frankenstein!!!!!!!! id be completely fine if they didnt keep it the exact same with characters n stuff, but this has nothing to do with frankenstein other than “oooo dead people, mad scientist, child”

YO THIS IS NOT A MARY SHELLY RETELLING🗣️🗣️🔊🔊🔊🔊🔥🔥🔥🔥STOP SPEWING NONSENSE

@@iseeyou2211 calm down

@@iseeyou2211 While the novel Poor Things was written by Alasdair Gray and published in 1992, it absolutely draws from Mary Shelley's Frankenstein with intent. However, the novel seems to have the corpse resurrection and infant brain swap of Bella later refuted by Bella (Victoria) herself as something her husband made up out of the prevailing gothic motifs of the Victorian times.

yeahhhh. that put me off instantly.

fr I couldn't stop thinking about that

Well put.

tbh it’s not ‘girl frankenstein’ it has elements similar to frankenstein but it’s not based on it at all it’s its own story

@@liamross340yeah I can tell that now as I watch the video, but from the title it really threw me off lmao

I like a lot of Diablo Cody movies so I’m actually pretty excited for Lisa Frankenstein!!!

Same, to be honest XD.

It’s been an hour how are there 342 likes omg

Me listening to lavender talk about two hot science lesbians doing crimes against humanity: *LET HER COOK* 🗣🏳️‍🌈🗣🏳️‍🌈🗣🏳️‍🌈🗣

Literally would die for this film

I honestly love the new film concept at the end of the video. I’d love to see a full story made of it someday

Honestly same

Lik they would be this odd family, I would love a montage of their happy lives at the end of the movie or smth

Thank you. That's exactly what i thought. What she says in the video that all the men are disgusting for being with a woman with the literal brain of a child is precisely THE point of the movie. If you feel that the sex scenes and the movie itself are off putting in a lot of ways, that is precisely THE point. It should be off putting, it should be disgusting. But in the end, whatever, if everyone is going to hate the movie and the director for it, so be it, i don't care. But at least praise Emma Stone for her impecable acting because she did great. We all here believe that women should not be treated like this in real life and that's enough. We only defere in that not everything in art should be nice and beautiful and make everyone feel empowered and happy. Sometimes art is annoying and off putting and that helps us reflect more on the horridness of society itself. I did not like the ending either, lol, but the whole movie was a nice act of reflexion all in all.

@@ateneamaurtua okay where in the narrative do they actually SAY that it's disgusting, though? like does bella ever go "hang on a minute, i literally have the brain of a child and all of you men were absolutely gagging to get into my pants, that's revolting, you men are revolting"? no, no she doesn't. in fact she decides to go ahead and marry the FIRST guy who wanted in her pants when she was MOST toddler-like. she didn't do anything to the man who took advantage of her besides give away all his money, and she buries the man who created her with loving adoration. at no point is anyone ever called out for their disgusting behavior. how do you tell the difference between a movie that thinks this behavior is a good thing and a movie that thinks it's disgusting if neither one actually says "this is disgusting"?

@@dietotaku well that's the issue i don't think that everything needs to be said to be understood, the whole movie is off putting and it has this very off putting soundtrack, from the beginning the movie tries to mark a distance between the audience and the characters at display through the weird horror and surreal background. On the side of the scientists i have to admit that it was weird, and perhaps i'm a bit biased because i Guess i interpreted it wrong when i went to watch it(? You see, i read Frankenstein some time ago, and i genuinelly believed that it was implied that the "father" was frankenstein's creature itself, that had been raised by Frankenstein and not abandoned but "sheltered" by him and Made him pass like a real human... In that sense the weird experiments that had been made on him Made more sense, and his attitude towards bella Made more sense too, since it was something of a "creature that's been addapted to this patriarcal society who now wants to pay tribute to the legacy of his father Frankenstein who abused him" complicated sort of thing, that made the movie better for me really. On the other hand i feel like y'all are talking about the movie as if it was a totally normal film with down to earth characters, as if the characters and everything they said should be taken literally. When actually it should be interpreted more like a fable it has this "candide" vibe to it, all the characters are flawed, because patriarchy and we are just watching the surreal events as they show to make us think. We shouldn't just think about the character of Bella as a Bad adaptation por Frankenstein or as the kid who is being taken advantage of, and trust me, i know the born sexy yesterday trope, i was very wary of it since they beginning of the movie, and that's why i found that it was a suversion of the trope at the end. It felt more like a comment on it. On the weird assistance thing, the guy actually SAYS that he doesn't want to get into her pants... And speaks out about how Bella is going to be taken advantage of by the guy who eventually takes her and so on... He's no savior by no means, i believe that in the movie he looked more pathetic and confused than as an actual lover to Bella, it just doesn't feel like a romance it is more like another example of how patriarchy shapes relatively inoffensive individuals into questionable people. The relationship to bella with her sex worker friend or girlfriend idk, was by far more meaningful in the movie. The thing with the assistance felt more like a formality... And that's the thing, is a critique to social standards. Bella is a child with the body of an adult, the movie wants to show us how horrendous that would be, how horrendous stuff happens to girls who develop early, for example, how society is shaped in a way that if not being held captive, the world can eat a young girl alive. But there is more to it. Bella is not a convencional female character, not because she has sex or whatever, but because being an adult and having the strenght of an adult it is incredibly difficult to force her into the female standards most women endure, she is free from that, not only the sex stuff, but the being nice, the being cute, the having to shut her own needs to please others, but that also makes her unaware of a lot of stuff happening around her and leaves her a bit lost in a world that is so full of that bullshit and unable to utterly see her as a person more than as a peace of meat who acts cute on public spaces. It is a movie that has a lot to say, and i believe that it is a good thing that people are actually concerned about the child in woman body trope, Even though i believe that's the point of the movie it shows that they care, i hope that they care about that stuff happening in real time in real life too. I live in South America and trust me that is a horrible present issue that nobody dares to talk about some people are Even ok with ir or simply hide the issue. Something needs to bring the subject up and if it is an adult woman like Emma Stone the one doing it in a movie and not an actual child, better off. So feel the horror and don't ignore it when it happens in real life

​@@dietotakuAre you the kind of person who comes out of Come and See thinking it's pro-war because the characters don't stare directly at the barrel of the camera and go, "This is pretty fucked up, ain't it?" 😶

@@ateneamaurtuaomg YES wholeheartedly agree to this take😮‍💨🙏🏻💖

Yeah, that's always the first huge red flag when I hear about these kinds of stories/films. It never goes well. And Frankenstein is already a phenomenal story.

Especially if there's no female consultant at the very least. It's the whole, "How does a woman feel? We asked a man!" xP

@@MadAliceInWonderland exactly

There have been a couple that become cult classics for feminism, like Alien (which portrays the horror of SA and Forced Birth but towards cis men, and it legitimately caused that reaction of horror & forced empathy in many cis men) -but it is *very* interesting to note that the ones that are actually rather good are almost always horror movies and tragedies… and oftentimes *still* have issues of their own that probably would have been caught if women (especially those with the specific experiences being addressed) were more highly involved in the productions

I believe men can make feminist art, take the band nirvana as an example. But my god is it rare

Sometimes people think “feminist” means “has a woman lead”

I feel like what people don’t understand is that a woman sleeping with multiple different people is only empowering if ITS HER CHOICE. A WOMAN GETTING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IS NOT FEMINISM 😭

I feel that now, everytime they put a woman as the central focus point of a movie, no matter how gross, bad or mysoginist the plot actually is, they slap a "feminist story" on it to trick the watchers into believing it ISN'T gross, bad or mysoginist because "It can't be sexist if the heroine's a woman! And if you dislike it, it's because you're not feminist! uwu"

@@NearsightedNarhwal Not everything has to be "empowering" to be feminist. Sometimes feminism just means facing up to how ugly the world really is for women.

I heard nothing about this movie before going into it. No trailers, no reviews, nothing. I didn't know it existed until the day of, when my cousin dragged me off to see it in the theater. I concluded on my own that it was feminist, and was disappointed (though perhaps not surprised) to learn afterwards that so many people felt otherwise.

Except it's actually the opposite, lmao - woman who looks like an adult but is actually a child, which imo, is so, so much worse

Yeah, it's literally the opposite of that, and for me highlights how ridiculous the moralizing about young looking old characters is.

When it comes down to it though isn't it just different ways for people to be pedos?@@micheal2458

This movie also shows that people will justify it when its the other way around, so the whole reasoning is flawed and people just sexualize everything

@@novadearest Yeah, but the end point is the same, it's totally cool to sexualise her. Because her mind/body is adult, that means she is adult. And therefor they're allowed to perv on her. Which btw expands to teenage girls who "look older" according to the creeps who want to get away with catcalling and harrassing a 14 year old, or the lies predators tell young children: "you are very mature for your age".

I dunno, I agree with you, but a baby's mind in a full grown adult's body is inherently "weird" and "freakish" to me. Exploitative? Definitely. Gross? In spades. But also weird and freaky in the most negative of ways

@Twilarose77 I agree but I was referring to the rotten tomatoes comment when Lavendertowne was talking about the second "experiment"... the person in the comment was like praising the movie saying "I like how there's not one character who isn't strange in this film" like it is just very very weird to me to see a film about what is essentially a child's response to being sexually abused and praise her for being "FREAKISH" LIKE??? I'm not saying they're not freakish it just seems like the purpose of this movie is to gawk at the main character's struggle rather than think about the implications of it?? This film does not answer most of the questions that it proposes which makes me think that the main reason why it exists is to show people something horrific and expect them to go "wow how thoughtful" it is so absolutely lame and weird. What are we doing why are we doing this The comment to me kinda makes me feel like my point is valid like we're not here to talk about the events of the movie we're just going to praise it for being different, which does not by itself make it good! It's a beautiful and weird movie but it's substance is quite ugly and hollow and lame

@@smokugoku Ah I see, my bad

This is slightly off-topic but this is LITERALLY EXACTLY how i feel about ladybird and the response. It's quite precisely abuse for people to gawk at and watching it I was horrified and angry...and people found it FUNNY???? You've put it into words really well, hate when a film does that

The world does not like things that make them uncomfortable. This id especially true with art and especially cinema award institutions. This movie appeals to men with the fact that Bella’s whole story revolves around the men in her life, and of course, the Born Sexy Yesterday trope at full display. This is a movie that comforts the status quo while hiding within a facade of “feminism” so that they can’t be called out for being sexist and exploitative

Is glass Scientists I think she is an old lady gay scientist, but that's a webcomic, and she's a secondary cast member. Still a great comic and portray of Frankenstein.

i second this

I know right??? I would read that sapphic novel in a heartbeat, if there was a possibility that it could be made I would beg on my knees.

Pls watch the film birth/rebirth it is Exactly what you’re looking for, just in another setting.

actually adam, frankenstein’s “monster” is supposed to be beautiful, it’s just his yellow eyes that are disturbing. but i get your point.

@@Me-vn3gzrly? i just read the original book and he was definitely mutilated, not just yellow eyes. where’d u get that info from? i’m curious edit: okay ig he wasn’t like fully ugly, but he did have thin yellow skin and disproportionate and too big body parts, like victor and all the humans that saw him thought he was ugly

@@imaneclair4836 Yeah it's a bit complicated. He's beautiful, but still looks so obviously unnatural that he ALSO looks hideous. Standard horror trope really. Even the most beautiful person in the world would look scary if they were so obviously a walking corpse.

⁠@@Me-vn3gzno the creature (his name isn’t Adam lol) is descibed as ugly by both frankenstein and walton. He was eight foot tall, disproportionated and had yellowish skin

Reminds me of women's fantasy armor

Yes, because the rest of the movie perfectly follows historical accurate costuming and set designs, and doesn’t at all create its own world merely inspired by the time period. Like come on now. Like I’m obviously not saying body hair is bad, but to specifically critique this movies accuracy like it’s EMMA is outrageous.

@@reddean4712 Seconded. Historical accuracy is obviously not a talking point here. It's a fantasy movie. That said, I understand the knee-jerk aggravation only out of my own sensitivity to it. Nothing tickles my aimless-rage-button quite like women with freshly shaved legs in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, or some such. lol Fucking media.

@@reddean4712 ) why did they have to do it?

Nothing in the movie is set correctly to be accurate in its time period, I don't know why body hair is an important depiction to be accurate if nothing else is either

i know there isnt any accurate time period in the movie but still what was with that one outfit in portugal when she runs off from her hotel room it was just so out of place

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on the film! I was feeling quite similarly, and I was beginning to get discouraged as I was reading through all the comments :')

and let's not forget emma stone was a producer of this movie, so she had a lot of agency, so its not just a movie directed by a man

I mean Victor was seeking glory, and scientific advancement above all morals, but yes I see what you mean, he was a college dropout that does not deserve to be called Doctor Frankenstein. He was also motivated by the death of his mother.

He wasn't exactly bored, more like pretentious. And when he saw what he had done he got scared and backed away, neglecting the responsibility

Fr! Like, she’s mentally a child. A minor mentally but not physically. It makes me uncomfortable..

Ok yes these things happen, but what lavendertowne is rly refusing to say is these actions are never portrayed in a neutral light. They are supposed to be seen as predatory and evil😭. Plus this was never supposed to be a Mary Shelly retelling, comparing the two characters makes no sense thematically

@@StayCalm_DoArt123 literally what I said man, what abt them being ‘predatory and evil’ sounds like a neutral light to you? I said ‘these actions were never portrayed in a neutral light’ meaning - the light shone upon these men is a bad one -

@@iseeyou2211 oh sorry dude I misread, we on the same page then

I imagine it would be until you've come to understand reality like I have. Males want to have sex with women when and how they please. This is why so many have committed SA and rãpê, so very very many. So, imagine a male being presented with a woman who has the body of a women without the ability to tell them no. "Creamed jeans" doesn't even begin to describe it. (sorry for being crude)

Amen

Yes to that !

Absolutely

Agreed

Agreed

Ikr, it’s like the “born sexy yesterday” trope on a whole new level, I’m so disturbed.

fr... 🤮

​@coffeebean_18 that's the point, it's supposed to slap you in the face with how uncomfortable that trope should make people

@@coffeebean_18the movie quite literally turns the trope on it’s head and pokes a bunch of holes in it. the man that tried to groom her ended up getting screwed over by her immaturity. please watch the film if you’re going to comment on it.

@@coffeebean_18 that's the point...

i didn't know it was originally meant to be set in glasgow, that would have been so cool! id like to see everyone in that cast do their best crack at a scottish accent lol

I think they were trying to draw more parallels between their movie and Frankenstein-hoping to attach themselves to something more well-known, as it were … Which also doesn’t work, ‘cuz the story starts in Sweden (Victor, himself, being Swedish) and, although he does visit England, he *also* travels to/through Germany, France, Scotland, and the Arctic The England-ization of classic literature (especially Gothic literature) is a plague upon the world

Hollywood is like the voice recognition elevator 💀

Wait, Mary Shelley was Glaswegian?

@@sobekmania No, they're talking about Alasdair Gray, the man who wrote the original "Poor Things" book.

Same

I feel like that was one of the primary aspects of the boom too😭the “changeling” myth and a creature that seems human but “wrong,” yet has a compassionate and intelligent mind

@@montymints yea I swear most neurotypicals see us as like, an alien with no intelligence or emotion

fellow autistic person here, i totally get what you mean. some people treat us like we're whining babies and our problems aren't valid. they say they'll help, but they don't.

Oh gosh, I never thought of that. I'm autistic too. This made me even more angry now.

The beginning was quite cute so I kept forgiving every red flag showing up for a while, but it definitely started to make me uneasy when the father just agreed to marry her like she wasn’t a child at that moment. I left the theater so disappointed :(

Honestly, your description of the film makes the plot almost sound palatable, because even that can be spun to have some sort of statement made about predatory people and the way the world views young people, girls especially. The actual plot of the movie is much worse, basically just what you described, but taken completely at face value with no critical thinking applied to it at all

@@one-onessadhalf3393 Yeah, the worst part was definitely the fact that they didn’t see it as a problem, it sounds like the repeated sexual abuse of a baby was actually celebrated as being somehow feminist 🤢

It's not supposed to be literal. I felt like you did going into it, and at the start of the film, but by the end it was my favourite film of the past year. It's made very obvious that the film is abstract and surrealist, so it's not supposed to be literal, it's a commentary of what men do to women, and also someone who hasn't had the chance to be stained by patriarchy and misogyny, finding a place and keeping childlike wonder. It's the embodiment of the death of innocence; think of the first time we as women had to learn it wasn't safe to go into certain places without a man or by ourselves, the first time you learned that the world wasn't fair. It's a surrealist metaphor. Please just watch the film instead of gobbling up someone else's opinion wholesale.

​@@obara7366 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS COMMENT! i feel like im going insane on this comment section lol

You would NOT survive on the dead dove tag on ao3

I can't believe that it got nominated for so many awards 💀

SAME 😭 This sounds absolutely terrible and seems fetishy with literal babies brains inside grown women bodies, there is nothing feminist about this movie

Yes. I think I would have walked out too. Incredibly disturbing.

if a writer gave me this script i would wack him on the face with the script 10 times before saying "what the fuck is wrong with you?" how the hell was this approved?

DAZAI PFP?!1?11!!1

I would say this is the opposite of the born sexy yesterday trope, there’s a line in the movie where Mark Ruffalos character admits he liked her better when she was more child like and Bella rejects him for that. In a true born sexy yesterday trope Bella would have fallen in love with the first man she met and let HIM show her the world. Bella is indifferent to most of the men in this film especially at the beginning. And she discovers the world on her own. This is a lot of moral panic that isn’t warranted.

The movie shows Bella growing up mentally and yet critiques like this one act like she was still in the baby stage through the whole story. Isn't THAT your example of infantilization?

@@VixxKong2​​⁠​​⁠​⁠to be clear, i haven’t seen the film. but the critique in this video is that the way her “sexual liberation” is treated doesn’t mix with the “she’s a baby in an adult body! learning to grow up!!” storyline at all. she’s just taken advantage of several times in the beginning and that’s never explored in the depth such a serious topic deserved to be. again idk if it’s fully accurate but at least argue against the real criticism if you’re gonna defend the film

@@daizy7441 That's the problem. She starts as a baby and she grows up. By the time she leaves the house and starts having smexx she was already in the "young adult independence" stage of growing up. They literally say it in the movie. We spend at least 30 minutes with 2 scientists documenting her mental growth. Of course you wouldn't know that because the people who hate the movie are willingly hiding this information from their reviews in order to paint a narrative around the authors. It's not the first time that Lavandertown is calling other authors perverts over their female characters. Also, Bella says to her first lover that she has smexx because she likes it and she sees no reason to be limiting herself to being with only 1 person. And tbh I enjoy that more than the idea that if a woman has smexx then she is by default being exploited because men enjoy that too. It's a real problem to me that smexx is almost always seen as the dominance of men over women. Because I'm pretty sure that even without the scifi premise of a baby's brain in a woman's body, people would still hate the smexx scenes.

@@VixxKong2 ) - where has she done that? - that's a weak excuse.

@@steamboatwill3.367 Where did who done what?

this too is one of my biggest qualms with pop-cultures franken-takes™️ Ygor (yeah i don’t know why it’s spelled like that either) doesn’t appear until the third movie (son of frankenstein) and only ~kind of~ is a lab assistant, he’s more like the town crazy guy haha (also fritz, while the character was a really crappy person, was played by dwight frye who’s one of my favorite actors. we need more fritz representation!! lol)

​​@@oddelf7988) it might be cause of "Young Frankenstein" fusing the two characters into one. So it's really Marty Feldman we're thinking of as "Igor", not Dwight Frye or Bela Lugosi (tho of course both of them had different iconic characters)

@@steamboatwill3.367 yeah that’s very possible actually- young frankenstein is just Too Iconic lol

Thanks for the correction!!! I’m more familiar with the book than the movie so I made a mistake 🥲

@@LavenderTowne Interesting enough, Igor character doesn't exist in the book. The first 'hunchbacked' assistant appeared in a play of the book.

Internalized mysoginy exists too

It's not the film that was misogynistic, but the men in the film.

Maybe the director should put out a version where he cuts off all the smexx scenes, like that people would actually pay attention to the whole movie

@@VixxKong2 how old are you when you write sex as smex the movie isn't really for me either but i dont think youre old enough to understand the point of poor things if you just cut out all the sex scenes it's literally about a woman's sexual liberation

@@skmt-lm8vk I write it like that because I sometimes get my comments deleted by KZfaq without it.

Possibly the best decision of your life

Good for you! I'm glad I didn't end up seeing this movie either. I hope you had fun at the beach!

good decision as im hearing, i hope the beach was fun!

Bro it was written by a man… this was not a Frankenstein retelling. I love lavendertown but this is just not an educated rant. Bella is exploited by the men around her, thematically it’s supposed to be extremely dark.

@@iseeyou2211 I understand what your saying, but the way it was shown, to me, seemed like it was almost glorifying it. But that's just a personal opinion.

@@who7506 idk I understand where lavendertown is coming from (kind of) but I don’t believe she was able to get past the initial shock value. Every man in this film is a constraint to Bella’s freedom/exploration which later becomes symbolically grander in a patriarchal sense. Sex is the ultimate rebellion against feminine standards of the 17th century yet the men around her (even the ones she’s not romantically involved with) exploit her naivety for their own gain, not one of them is supposed to be viewed in a positive light🙄 Also ‘shown to you’ you basically spouted bs in the original comment

@@iseeyou2211 Poor Things the novel is a retelling of Frankenstein though, Mary Shelley and her book is in this film's DNA. And yeah, it is disrespectful for this to be marketed as "the feminist version" considering both the subject matter of the film itself and the origins of it being Frankenstein specifically.

@@mia-saraking5479 honestly I didn’t interpret the book as so much a ‘retelling’ of Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein, but it’s own piece of media and themes with recurring motifs from Frankenstein , in no way are the ideologies similar

It’s based off a book that was based off of Frankenstein though

if the original book has inspiration and enough parallels to Frankenstein, the comparison is fair and warranted.

​@@iliasbeeDepends, if you would also be ok if the 50 Shades of Gray movie back then would constantly be compared to twilight instead of the 50SoG book just because it is inspired by twilight.

@@Oiami-.-if it proclaimed to be a feminist retelling I don’t see why it couldn’t

@@Oiami-.- i get what youre trying to say but the 2nd and 3rd movies in the 50sog franchise were based on the second and third twilight movies pretty heavily.

Except any random youtuber shouldn't have to do it because this bit is pretty much already in the book. The director just, y'know, didn't choose to include it for some reason.

@@hawkins347 oh I can think of why by watching the rest of the movie. So there WAS supposed to be a scene where the movie acknowledge how predatory and disgusting almost every character was?

Bro it’s not a retelling of Frankenstein goofy. You probably haven’t even watched the film you’re just reiterating everything this KZfaqr says because you’re not ready to get your own opinion

@@joemama8595 The novel Poor Things does indeed take inspiration from Frankenstein

@@helixxia9320 so the movie that took inspiration from a book which took inspiration from another book is taking things from the original book??? Go after the author not the director lmao

​@helixxia9320 Yeah just like most vampire stories are inspired by Bram Stocker's Dracula. That doesn't mean that Twilight is a female retelling of a man's story

It literally did that. It drove him insane and he lost all of his fortune

@@VixxKong2 I know, I worded it poorly. I meant that’s what I do think of it and that’s why they had that plotline.

I don’t have as negative of a view of the film as LavenderTowne. I think the film is aware of the stuff she’s criticising and that’s part of the point but because the film isn’t explicitly saying it I can see why she doesn’t think it’s worth portraying such things for the sake of art even if I disagree. I think a lot of the people who are commenting are used to realism and explicitly explained morals and taking the directors words as absolute instead of finding their own meaning I also just think the artistic direction of the visuals is excellent and that can’t be discounted even by those who hate the plot I didn’t expect it to be genderbent Frankenstein and I think a lot of people don’t know it’s based of a book so think that’s all it was going for. The other experiment is a contrast to Bella and shows she’s not the typical result and also I don’t think Godwin saying he wouldn’t have Bella without the experiment is pro-life or pro-choice because he’s pretty clearly a character who struggles to admit what his feelings are so looks at everything through the lense of amoral science because of his fathers abusive experiments. Bella not getting to have the catharsis of berating her abuser because he’s on his deathbed and having complicated mixed feelings about him is common in fiction and reality and she clearly missed him but the only reason she returned that soon was his illness. I could go on but my point is while I don’t enjoy everything in the film I don’t agree with people who think it’s a moral failing of critics if they do enjoy it. Sorry this comment is so long, but this is still the condensed version of

@@dragonetafireball Thank you for your comment actually. It's very enlightening to see people actually give an honest review of it

@@dragonetafireball i think the point of this film was to get us talking and thinking. i think there are genuine critiques to be made of the movie but anyone who just thinks it’s “gross” because Bella starts mentally as a child missed a heavy chunk of the underlying commentary. How often are literal children taken advantage of by grown men because “they look like adult women.” its so common for young girls to be groomed by grown men with bad intentions, and we at least get to see Bella turn around and ruin his life afterwards. She’s still impacted by his actions, but ultimately she comes out on top, only after she begins to reach mental maturity. Like many women who grow up to realize the things done to them as little girls/teens were NOT okay even if they seemed okay at the time. It explores exactly how these young girls are manipulated too and even blamed by the older man for being a willing participant even though they were clearly not mature enough to make a fully informed decision.

Might I suggest a gender fluid friend who is sometimes Henry and sometimes Elizabeth? Ideally their assigned gender is never revealed because it's not important. Any person who wears both suits and gowns would be an outcast in Victorian society.

@@katelynna10000 as an enby I did a bit of research on sexuality and gender expression in the Victorian era. While female friendships were romanticized, easily masking lesbian relationships, male homosexuality was extremely frowned upon. Oscar Wilde’s relationship with his lover even ended with Wilde’s death due to homophobia. Additionally, the expression of the female gender was also controlled. I couldn’t find much on non-binary or gender queer expression in the Victorian era. However knowing the information based on how sexuality was viewed in that time period, I don’t think the Henry/Elizabeth gender queer character would last long if this were to be a somewhat more historically accurate rewrite. If we were to make the rewrite historically accurate, this Henry/Elizabeth gender queer character could present as their assigned sex but be more open in their home or with the doctor and the monster, creating a sweet family of sorts. Additionally, this can be a parallel to the monster because while the features that make her an outcast are more noticeable (with her scars and disfigures), what makes the gender queer an outcast is more discreet, being ridiculed for not behaving like their assigned sex or being associated with the mad doctor. Besides, just because someone doesn’t dress/present as their chosen gender doesn’t make any less of their chosen gender. However, as the story progresses, maybe Henry/Elizabeth could learn from the monster’s embrace of her differences and present to how they desire to. This is a really fun idea thank you so much

@@catchives Oh yah what happened to My Boy Oscar Wilde was tragic. He was such a cool dude.Somewhat relevant to our discussion- did you know he was a big proponent of women's dress reform? A woman in his household died after her dress caught fire during his childhood so he was all for women being able to wear trousers and such; I'm pretty sure his wife Constance sometime showed up to dinner parties in Fashionable Trousers TM, but I don't have a source for that story anymore. Also gosh, I didn't even think about the angle of this character learning to accept themselves more because of the monster's (someone in the comments suggested her preferred name be Mary, after Mrs. Shelly, and I really like that) influence. Look at us, making a whole ass story with like, themes and shit. I haven't actually read Frankenstein yet (this is a moral failing on my part, lol) but as soon as you said both characters were blond the idea popped into my head and I had to reply.

@@katelynna10000 ooo that fact about wilde is fascinating!! also omg read frankenstein. also also, i just realized the fact that Mary Shelley is bi and henry and elizabeth are both written as beautiful and kind makes a lot of sense.

or : hip polyamory between victor, henry and elizabeth , one could even throw in igor in . everyone wants that autistic women in stem that is victor !