I just checked out another sight that showed film of those Toronto streetcars. The ones in the film from 1965 had windows in the bottoms of the rear doors, I don’t know when these were installed. They did originally didn’t have them, they were modified for safety reasons.

That is good information to know. I do remember them having windows in the bottom sections of the doors, but never noticed when that started.

Glad to help bring back memories. I got the trolleys because I loved riding them in Philly as a kid, and could not resist the memories myself.

Thanks. Sorry to take so long to acknowledge this, but got busy with work stuff. This was pointed out and it just shows how bad my memory is from riding them 60 years ago.

Thanks, I grew up in Philly and loved the trolleys and the older subway (before they went to the Budd aluminum cars). I really wish I could have ridden in a GG1 also, one of my favorite locomotives. I have not been out to San Diego yet, and while I was in San Francisco I did not know they had the older trolleys. I was only aware of the cable cars that SF is famous for. Of course, that was about 25 years ago and it was a short business trip so I did not get to go exploring too much. Dallas has two different trolley systems. One is a new system that is part of their regular transit system. They use streetcars built in 2015. The other started as a private enterprise to commemorate trolleys. It now has 7 trolleys, 5 of which predate PCC cars. One of the others is a PCC car from the last order built that was sent to Toronto. The last is a PCC car that had been sent to Belgium and was rebodied to something narrower for the European streets. I have ridden their PCC car and will probably try to get on some of the others as I go back into Dallas to visit my daughter. And thanks for the correction. I should have remembered that it was called a trolley pole. But as I age, things from childhood get harder to remember accurately.

@@Rothstein_Model_Trains I posted a slideshow "My trip across San Francisco in PCC......., last year on KZfaq for the 2022 Muni Heritage weekend. Bruce

Also check out Fred Goodman's excellent video of the 2022 Heritage Weekend. I'm on the Brussels PCC in the interior shot on the left in a red windbreaker. Also, very briefly in door way of the Baltimore (ex-Septa) car. Bruce

"Happy Heritage Day June 4, 2022, My trip across San Francisco on PCC 1063" is the title of my post. The ex-Septa PCC painted to honor Baltimore had just been out-shopped after accident repairs suffered a year earlier. It was out for tests following it's third complete rebuild at Brookville, when it was struck by a tractor trailer making an illegal turn. Essentially, it's brad new again, complete with "new car smell". Bruce

Thanks. I will look at both videos.

Thanks, glad to see I am not the only one who remembers little things like that.

Hi, Ed. Glad you agree on the nostalgia factor for these. My son and I were both surprised that they made the windows clear like that, instead of an opaque white with pictures or silhouettes of passengers, if only to hide the motors. Of course, it is kind of neat to see the motor turning in them too. I probably won't make an underground run on this layout, though I really like the idea of doing it with both trolleys and subway cars at some point. I was thinking of making a sort of model of Philly with the subway and el, trolleys on the streets and freight trains on Delaware Ave. Getting 30th St station in for Amtrak would be neat too. Obviously, to make it work it would not really look like Philly too much, but just have those features and maybe some recognizable terrain or buildings, like City Hall. The way the signals get to the locomotives is through the power in the rails. When we were kids, the rails used just DC power and the speed was based on how much power your gave it. A lot of people are still into the DC power method, but most of us probably use what is called DCC instead. The power through the rail is a full power signal with a digital pulse modulation to carry commands. It can give it a speed or tell it to make noise or turn on lights, etc. There is a circuit board in the locomotive that decodes this signal and then sends its own commands to the various parts, such as an output to a light being told to go on or off. You can also build decoders into the tracks for things, such as telling it to throw a turnout to redirect the train to a different rail. Some of the larger scales even have decoders to couple or decouple the cars if you want to build a train from individual cars like the prototype railroads do. Right now, I am keeping the DCC for the train control and leaving the switches and layout options as DC with separate switches for them. But who know how it will end up if I get enough money and space to build the next layout. See you, Steve

@@Rothstein_Model_Trains Thanks for a great explanation of DCC. I know only about the DC of our youth. I like how you ended your comment: "See you". Is that a hint that you'll be at the 233 50th? I've never been to one, but I definitely intend to be at this one. Maybe you've seen some of the comments I've had with Derrick on the 233 group. Have a happy 4th of July holiday!

Well, the comment was more intended as just a friendly way of saying good-bye, but I am currently planning on going up there for the reunion. A half century since we graduated just sounds like such a long time that it kind of deserves some recognition. I did make it to one, our 40th, but that was it. Had a good time up there then too. I have been following it on Facebook. I told Coke that I would help as much as I can but I am not sure how much help I can be from Texas. If you need any help at the scene when we are up there, I would be glad to do so then too. I will probably try to get in a day or two early if we need any final errands for setting up or anything.

I apologize for taking so long to answer you, I have had a bad couple days. Thank you for your corrections. I used the trolleys as a passenger around 50 years ago or so, and I do not remember all of the correct terms, if I even knew them back then.