lazer updates (and some hidden mechanics)

lazer updates (and some hidden mechanics) - October 26, 2023

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this update to lazer dives into some of the unreasonably complicated mechanics behind osu!. along with whatever else is in the changelog.
try lazer for yourself: osu.ppy.sh/home/download
read the full changelog: osu.ppy.sh/home/changelog/laz...
lazer is the next major update to osu!. learn about it: • what is lazer?
00:00 slider end leniency
02:25 floating point precision
03:06 spinner stuff
03:44 mania!!! but not mobile mania.
04:50 mrekk sets 3 1000pp plays in 7 seconds (and the rest of the changelog)

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@Cyr_v 8 ай бұрын

i dont know how these videos aren't popular yet. game devs literally taking into account everything the community has to say

@andybuscus383 8 ай бұрын

Peppy has my vote for best game dev ever.

@MoutonBinoclard 8 ай бұрын

Pitch adjust for double time is so insane, like now you can play at x1.20 without deciding if double time or night core will sound better

@nutelhere 8 ай бұрын

this feature was a mistake xD my head hurts every time i play now with pitch changed

@lucarkirb 8 ай бұрын

@@nutelhere you can turn it off tho

@ominoussage 8 ай бұрын

Literally game-changing for me. I just wish there was an option to enable it by default.

@artluka0727 8 ай бұрын

So true

@MangInutil 8 ай бұрын

@@ominoussage Basically "startup mods"

@Daniel-mb5md 8 ай бұрын

No shot they actually read my comment and added it, thank you peppy and dev team (and yes I will gladly enjoy my ultra night core)

@SFADonuttunoD 8 ай бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed

@dorianeu 6 ай бұрын

you bastard, thank you very much

@bleh3140 6 ай бұрын

thx daniel

@NicNock 4 ай бұрын

this option fixed double-time/nightcore for me, thank you

@turd0420 8 ай бұрын

I can just feel how close we are getting.

@SixDigitOsu 8 ай бұрын

It just makes me so happy to see that Peppy still genuinely cares for a game he made 16 years ago, still making improvements and adjustments.

@WangleLine 8 ай бұрын

Yes!! What a legend, honestly

@nhatml123 8 ай бұрын

I wish lazer could have a separated page for skinning because browsing through a massive selection of skins on forum without even knowing how it looks is so annoying

@DeanHerbertMooCow 7 ай бұрын

really want to make this happen.

@mikubrot 7 ай бұрын

@@DeanHerbertMooCowthabj you peepy

@aiae 8 ай бұрын

im watching every episode of these updates so far, its amazing

@neededwolf2 8 ай бұрын

you know i never realised so many people hit the esc button after a play, i guess it's just a natural thing for most people now :)

@Kait0s 8 ай бұрын

6:08 Yeah, icons are really confusing. I've been playing lazer for over a year and i still have to double or even tripple check what each button does. With the exception of currently playing and chat, those are good enough.

@kayparody 8 ай бұрын

I am an autopilot enjoyer and I like lazer, but autopilot in stable and lazer act completely different. Stable is smooth and moves as you would expect while lazer is very jittery and teleports a lot rather than swiftly moving to the next circle. Help plz 💔

@dumbuz 8 ай бұрын

Yes?? I agree with this, I think it's capped to 60 hz.

@Kris-od3sj 8 ай бұрын

It's very hard to practice tapping stamina with lazer's autopilot, I agree this needs a fix

@Andre12241 8 ай бұрын

Dont play autopilot and problem fixed 🙉

@ryangbw 8 ай бұрын

Yea I did some testing and it is very off and not right compared to stable, would really like a Fix for this

@DeanHerbertMooCow 7 ай бұрын

yeah, it's limited by replay frame rate right now, and shouldn't be.

@snw9729 8 ай бұрын

Seeing Lazer’s development cycle makes me really wish Osu was more popular. With all the bad business practice in gaming it’s so refreshing to see a developer not only providing a fantastic, free product, but one whose creation is treated like a conversation between the devs and the community. Protect Peppy, man; dude’s the goat

@spaghettiking653 8 ай бұрын

Fr, I know of no one else who grinds so hard for his users, doing it all for free, insisting that everything be FOSS forever, and taking no breaks nor profit. This man is a king, God bless him bro

@AdamChan318 8 ай бұрын

5:10 my spelling mistake has been immortalized💀

@yamiru3417 8 ай бұрын

rip

@tabbyteacat 8 ай бұрын

haopy for you :)

@amax375 8 ай бұрын

i got chills from the adjust pitch option, ive been asking for this option for nearly 6 years

@Raoul1808. 8 ай бұрын

I was literally thinking about making a PR with the double time pitch adjustment, but with a codebase such as this one, I had no idea where to start. Many thanks!!

@djhokage1 8 ай бұрын

Yea i felt the same when checking some Github Issues. Even tho the Codebase seems well structured it's really hard to get a grasp of the dependencies between different files, interfaces and classes.

@nutelhere 8 ай бұрын

Just some advice: if you don't know where to start with making a PR, first you should seach PRs, issues and discussions to see if somebody already proposed this before. If not you should create a new issue or discussion so see the opinion of the devs. If it's positive, you can ask for pointers or ask if anybody is willing to implement this. In this particular case of pitch adjustment feature, there was an opened PR for this, which looked quite complete, but for some reason it was inactive since 3 months. I simply bumped asking why is it not being merged and 1 day later it was picked up again and merged xD

@Raoul1808. 8 ай бұрын

@@nutelhere well that double time pitch was the only thing I was thinking of making a PR for, but if I come across something worthy I may give it a try. It's also a little intimidating with the code quality checks and all the unit tests

@andybuscus383 8 ай бұрын

One feature I would like in Lazer for FL would be an option that makes the flashlight size stay small even if you miss. It sucks doing practice difficulties and having to restart because you missed and now your visible area isn't small enough anymore. You can kinda do this by increasing the multiplier and toggling the option that keeps the visible area from constricting, but a dedicated feature would be nice.

@schino 8 ай бұрын

4:55 this change is appreciated

@Terratype 8 ай бұрын

NIGHTCORE WITH NO AUDIO STRETCHING THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE IVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR LIKE A YEAR

@BluJellu 8 ай бұрын

HOLY SHIT finally adjust pitch for DT! I’ve been asking for this for months and I’ve been using wind up 1.19x to 1.2x instead to hear pitched up

@Nick-qb9zv 8 ай бұрын

I love following these updates.

@nahusomega1007 8 ай бұрын

i'm a beginner mania player and i play it on lazer just to improve and these changes really made my accuracy pop off :D nice stuff, did not get those 2 star map S's yet though but i'll get there soon enough i think

@ReimeiNoRaimei 8 ай бұрын

Another nice update thanks ^^

@n45a_ 8 ай бұрын

i love the changes. sadly we cant have the sliders fixed, but i think this is a good way of handling it

@lemon_maho 8 ай бұрын

Keep up the good work

@MrSurName_ 8 ай бұрын

Since we can give feedback here, when I tried lazer one thing I didn't like was the setting "Scale osu!mania scroll speed with BPM" doesn't exist. You can only do it by ms and finding the sweet spot for that isn't fun.

@DeanHerbertMooCow 7 ай бұрын

There's hotkeys you can bind to adjust while playing, might make it easier.

@MrSurName_ 7 ай бұрын

@@DeanHerbertMooCow I know that, but with that, you would have to change the scroll speed every single time you change beatmaps. And the scale with BPM option existing in the stable version means that adding it in the lazer should be no problem.

@DeanHerbertMooCow 7 ай бұрын

@@MrSurName_ the thing is, not many people actually liked that behaviour..

@MrSurName_ 7 ай бұрын

@@DeanHerbertMooCow Yes, but I'm not saying that they should remove ms based and adding the BPM based. I'm just saying that they should at least add it as an option for the select few that like it.

@spoonith 8 ай бұрын

loving the updates fr

@muhdizzulhaziq 8 ай бұрын

4:54 the update I've been waiting for

@HyperSlayer72 8 ай бұрын

These videos are absolutely amazing. Please keep making them!

@DeanHerbertMooCow 7 ай бұрын

we got you :)

@jaysongalvez4340 8 ай бұрын

That results screen fix for esc muscle memory players is the goat

@malcolmbrockett7274 8 ай бұрын

Pishi transitions on point as always.

@echoeee 8 ай бұрын

slider change is cool thjanks peppy

@ddrzk_ 8 ай бұрын

so nice to see genuinely good features being implemented constantly. my suggestion is to adjust hold off in mania, it reduces score but gives more pp most of the time because some patterns become incredibly difficult. I'd suggest turning a slider release into a note only if there are no slider start or other note within a certain period before or after it

@spaghettiking653 8 ай бұрын

Haha, sorry. Back when I wrote hold off originally it looks like I didn't think very far through, and left this mess for others to clean up. Originally, I did actually add a note at the end of a hold, I think it was if the note was more than 1/4 of a beat after the beginning, but others with much more skill in mania agreed that that was a very unnatural feature :) and manual no-hold-note edits apparently never put end notes either, so they got rid of this feature around August. (GitHub issue #24551 fyi) I honestly suck at mania so I didn't realize this was originally a problem, lol, but the community has spoken.

@cybergen49 8 ай бұрын

Okay but that escape change is actually so so amazing!!

@lukasz9341 8 ай бұрын

man i cqnt wait for lazer to come out, it looks SOOO good

@Rageinater 8 ай бұрын

LETS GOO THEY ADDED PITCH ADJUST I CAN DIE HAPPY

@flashwave 8 ай бұрын

thank you, daniel

@rxgby 7 ай бұрын

i wonder when it’s gonna come out on the app store or something. it’s been 2-3 YEARS IVE BEEN WAITING. the TestFlight beta is full. IM ON IPAD

@waozer 8 ай бұрын

these are my comfort videos

@Kaapalkeens 8 ай бұрын

Lazer is more playable than normal version now. Prayers. Also, if you got input lag, change from directx to opengl renderer

@Cane-Aubright 7 ай бұрын

I'm so excited for maps to get more wacky now that slider end leniency is changing. I'm all for seeing even more wild weirdo stuff in ranked

@ryoferdinand1245 8 ай бұрын

damn..they fixed the parkinson method on spinner

@feras6574 8 ай бұрын

Cool stuff

@shinejnn2 8 ай бұрын

LETS GOOOOO SILDER UPDATEEEEEEEEEEE THAT'S ANOTHER HUGE DEAL OMGG

@PhaXnyo3T 7 ай бұрын

In the new update, I think it couldn't have been better, but it still makes osu! better

@caseyzx 8 ай бұрын

i wish there was a setting to automatically go instantly to the results so we don't have to always press escape, but good addition!!

@shmiklakosu 8 ай бұрын

one day they will eventually make the editor timeline match stable sizes to make editor finally usable

@ShyWhy96 8 ай бұрын

YES! i can finally fully migrate to lazer after the pitch change to double time NO MORE OSU!TRAINER DIFFS CLOGGING MY MAPS

@LixyFox 8 ай бұрын

Taiko mentioned, I am happy

@Axolotl_zz 8 ай бұрын

while playing the spotlight i noticed that binding arrow keys to click was causing me to miss randomly when notes underlapped sliders. not sure if this is just a me issue but it would be nice if it was looked in on. (happens at the 701 combo mark of the 7 minute touhou map, randomly throughout Dirty, and most noticeably, near the start of Playing God.) it was consistently happening every single time with arrow keys and never happening when i bound other keys

@Cantarolar_C 8 ай бұрын

I have waited for so long for the fix of the spinner's mechanic. It feeled just so wrong when people got in abusing it... But now it's natural, as expected. The "pitch adjust' option is kind'a funny :D And iI like it! And scores at the end are great tho. This update gave a many things that community do need. Great update, thank you! The game transforms directly on my eyes :)

@archstarlinux7107 8 ай бұрын

Well done 😊

@CyberZetaVN 8 ай бұрын

Keep cooking you guys!! Still waiting for mobile mania

@frinode4234 8 ай бұрын

Will there be an option to disable the "hold for menu" icon, at least on shift-tab? Right now disabling the HUD doesn't hide it, also it's not a skinnable element. Even though it's dimmed, it's quite visible when background and hud are off

@ziko7190 8 ай бұрын

it would be interesting if there were an option to change hitsound sets as we do with skins

@xahnmx50 7 ай бұрын

0:03 bro💀

@Nekomosh004 8 ай бұрын

NEW LAZER UPDATE!!!! 😊

@Riri-o2 8 ай бұрын

Please add legacy combo counter for Mania, thaank youu

@Ladas552 8 ай бұрын

esc Key "Fix" is so much better. Thank you PP lord

@lexaerna 8 ай бұрын

I wish swapping in between HT and DC ?/ DT and NC would keep the speed multi; small thing, but would be cool

@nutelhere 8 ай бұрын

another valid reason for merging NC into DT, but the devs don't want to for some reason...

@Azel727 8 ай бұрын

We need the vulkan renderer for mobile it fixed some issues with the fps

@aquarius_hps 8 ай бұрын

i could finally mapping mania mode in Osu!Lazer now thx osu devs

@randomname392 8 ай бұрын

saying 'you can thank me for that' is actually so gigachad holy

@marster772 8 ай бұрын

I dont even plag osu that much anymore and yet i still find myself whatching theese vids, they are really entertaining

@zesdash 8 ай бұрын

I wonder if we could make storyboard into like a fun minigame, mechanic ( like aiming which direction for the car to go for an example ) or like trying to solve a puzzle

@lifinale 8 ай бұрын

my bro you’re literally asking for mawaru at this point 😭😭😭

@zesdash 8 ай бұрын

@@lifinale mawaru would be cool also, but again i'm hoping for more features on the storyboard than currently we have on osu! stable

@rendon7703 8 ай бұрын

as always great

@liliancore_ 8 ай бұрын

THANK YOU DANIEL YOU JSUT SAVED ME FUCKING LIFE

@xaverosu 8 ай бұрын

I wish the skin selection menu wasn’t so small… It’s so hard to read with more then 5 skins

@myste6236 8 ай бұрын

When setting a custom "double time" speed, you should be able to see the stats of the map that change along with the speed that you've set. currently you can only see the BPM change, but stats like AR and OD remain the same as their nomod counter-part.

@Terratype 8 ай бұрын

i believe they mentioned theyre planning on doing this in a previous video, iirc

@ominoussage 8 ай бұрын

They already have that planned

@DeanHerbertMooCow 7 ай бұрын

yep it's in the works. just working on some usability issues.

@davids7646 8 ай бұрын

making the slider end that much more lenient as slider gets faster means that its not gonna be as hard. will have to see how things balances out

@DeviousHands 8 ай бұрын

Should be obvious; we just get faster and more ridiculous slisers from mappers, whether that's a good thing or not will be up to future players to decide

@ramontv757 8 ай бұрын

It would be very cool if you could set double time to a specific bpm so that you always have the same bpm no matter how many bpm the map actually has. That would be very good if you want to practice a certain bmp, for example.

@NewbieFirst 8 ай бұрын

A toggle to difficulty adjust, on whether to use the adjusted ar/od values pre or post speed change calculations from dt, too, similar to mcosu ar/od locking. And also another toggle for applying hr-like changes automatically without increasing the score multiplier (since you can't use HR and DA together and re-multiplying everything by 1.3/1.4 for each change in attributes is ridiculous).

@gutoguto0873 8 ай бұрын

What about maps that have 100 bpm listed but theyre actually 200 or vice versa

@spaghettiking653 8 ай бұрын

@@gutoguto0873 How does that work?

@gutoguto0873 8 ай бұрын

I don't know if I'm remembering correctly, but some maps like The Big Black are like double the bpm of what they actually are. There's definitely a better way to explain this, but like TBB says it's 360bpm but the streams are 180bpm. So let's say you wanted to put every map to 180bpm it would half TBB bpm. @@spaghettiking653

@ramontv757 8 ай бұрын

@@gutoguto0873 Yes thats also a good point!

@radekmojzis9829 8 ай бұрын

that escape key was bugging me. thanks.

@enderbo 8 ай бұрын

great now i cant do my usual slider technique

@gustavo.schoffen 8 ай бұрын

05:00 omg thanks

@trolljerk 7 ай бұрын

Freeze frame should be incompatible with DTHR (because of ar11 plays)

@MarcoBassetto 8 ай бұрын

New update LETSGOOOOOOO

@lospierdol 8 ай бұрын

Wish I could have daycore pitch on dt

@devril7721 8 ай бұрын

ty mr peppy

@AdamChan318 8 ай бұрын

Would love for more mod customisation options for the Easy and Hard Rock mods. Like sometimes I want the more forgiving health drain, but not the sometimes obnoxious largers circles, or sometimes I want the approach rate to be faster, but not make the notes absolutely tiny lol

@janmalicek6914 8 ай бұрын

at that point just use difficulty adjust to customize the difficulty options how you want

@Cantarolar_C 8 ай бұрын

@@janmalicek6914 Agree, but also want to mention that Dif- Adjust always put score on 0.5 regardless of how much you changing it in any way. It would be great if scores where differentiating in relation to the difficulty you are setting.

@ominoussage 8 ай бұрын

@@Cantarolar_C that's already planned

@Tg11 8 ай бұрын

How about a pitch adjustment for HT 🤔

@lokki9129 8 ай бұрын

0:19 peppy's bald head as the slider ball no wayyy they put that in 😭😭😭

@onionsans 8 ай бұрын

can there be a fix to folder positions in the dropdown menu? every time I try to reorganize my folders they just go back to where they were before :/

@cameleon._. 8 ай бұрын

I know lazer update history better than my regular history

@user-jb9rf 8 ай бұрын

5:13 not insane! or.. maybe i'm insane too, but adjusting the tempo without the pitch distorts the song and it honestly made this rhythm game more difficult for me! (keeping the pitch-tempo relationship means no distortion - the beat is always crisp) so i almost exclusively used nightcore, dreaded double time. now i'm really excited for double time!

@Idilom 8 ай бұрын

i didnt know there was a new endscreen

@alextheser4905 4 ай бұрын

Can someone help me figure what is the song around 5:22, it's the one that is used as the pitch adjust example and with the pitch and speed changing added with the fact it only plays for a few seconds I can't reverse search it so if someone would be nice enough to help me with this I would greatly appreciate it.

@cooper54729 8 ай бұрын

Can we get transparency in profile icons? I used to have one for forever and i tried updating it but it broke. I think it looks really cool in the results screen

@Zeno- 8 ай бұрын

sliders are less dumb and mania acc is fixed, nice

@Mye_kuwu 8 ай бұрын

like esc press on the end of map you have the alt+F4 when you whant just fast quit currently osu! offers to close the game maybe change thats ?

@lprimorino7705 8 ай бұрын

Now add a pitch adjust mod, so we can play a non dt nightcored song

@Basmoyy 7 ай бұрын

Will there be an alternative special keys for osu mania key bindings?

@zacky1312 8 ай бұрын

Since lazer is about fun, can we please have the ability to disable half time/double time in replay by clicking on the icon?

@vanillakeksik 8 ай бұрын

finally mania is playable

@heefo9643 8 ай бұрын

can we still hope for pp/ranked play to be implemented before the new year?

@IdkeMint 8 ай бұрын

thanks for the scorescreen change it was the worst part of the laser tbh

@Some_Retard_Idk 8 ай бұрын

There should be an update to lazer that makes mobile mania actually possible to play instead of it being nearly impossible to hit notes

@lounniusara 8 ай бұрын

Could you add 3 dots or something for the (adjustable) mod?

@dukeosu 8 ай бұрын

I'd love it if you could rotate the text (numbers) on the key counter display when it's used vertically, to match the look of the stable key overlay

@Kyanoxia 7 ай бұрын

But when will earning PP be enabled? I can make an account, but the website doesn't see updated stats. It's all local on the system. I'd like to maybe get on the leaderboard and earn some medals, but I haven't been able to do that for years, as I'm a Mac player. Is there any sort of ETA or status on the state of earning PP?