Who blew the horn

Bro don't you think we still have 4 upcoming games god of war First - Egypt Second - Japan And they both divided into two parts

That Zeus transition was clean

@@misosoup2005 like Mimir said, I've had many moons to work it out, here my explanation : They can explain it by saying that Heimdall's horn is heard across space and time but Mimir specifically said that somebody called the serpent. Here's my best theory on it, back in God Of War 2018, Kratos was wondering why the serpent dropped him and Atreus near Thamur's corpse, that is a major hint that indicates that whoever talked to the serpent asked him to drop Kratos and his son at that location because that were Baldur landed after fighting with the son and Kratos needed to be there in order to fight Baldur and kill him to bring Fimbulwinter that'll lead to Ragnarök. I thought that maybe in thee first draft they were going to time travel but not in the traditional way of God Of War 2 or Back To The Future, because that breaks the laws of causality, they were going to do it like inHarry Potter 3 or Watchmen (the series), where what's happened already did, so I think that maybe the idea was that Kratos and Atreus start the game by trying to stop Ragnarök by preventing Baldur's death, but then they realize that they should bring about Ragnarök and go back in time to rectify that by asking the serpent to drop their past selves next to Baldur. This is a major departure and it would've changed the whole game (seeing how the story ended up being in God Of War Ragnarök), but I don't know maybe it was just a chapter that could've been cut. I'm a little bit bothered because Cory kept teasing fans who were asking him about this in the past 4 years, and he's still teasing people as we speak on Twitter about this exact question. Some people say that it was Baldur trying to lure out Kratos and Atreus, but if that's true, you can add it to one of the most disappointing reveals in entertainment history (the first one for me is how Nick Fury lost his eye in the MCU, and that's another discussion in itself). Also, Asgard wasn't impressive enough, they did cleverly address this by saying that the feeling of grandeur and bravado is reserved for mortals and the All Father doesn't need a big castle to reinforce his ego, but having Asgard as a small village is a far cry from what I was expecting. I think it's just the limitations of the ps4 hardware seeing how this is not a linear game. The ending was a bit rushed, I would've liked to see more tricks from Odin, not getting Mjölnir is a major disappoinment, the gameplay would've been much like the axe but it's a weapon with shock effect, but how cool would that have been, it's really disappointing where the only game where the player can wield Mjölnir is Assassin's Creed Valhalla. Another question is how are they going to transition Kratos into another mythology, I thought that Odin was going to escape and rally other gods against Kratos but I was mistaken. SMS is going to do another sci-fi game I think before returning to God Of War, and with the Amazon series coming up, it's not clear if it's going to be a part of the canon.

Matt was such a great help. I'm grateful that you asked him and for his answers.

Omg i never thought about it metaphortically, that means he is already laid Ghost of Sparta to rest , became the true All Father of the Norse Myth. Edit: i meant his previous persona.

No. The "Ghost Of Sparta" aka "God Killer" or "Destroyer Of Worlds" is the persona that died. Kratos of Sparta is still there (General), but thanks to Faye & the kid, Kratos chose to become a better man than he once was, for the sake of Atreus & his. Kratos chose redemption & he found it. In the end, he became the God Of Hope/Peace...

I think they predicted the death when thor kills kratos but brought him back to life just coz of his ego and to see the ghost of sparta

I never thought about it this way! Thank you for the insight

@@amrinderbhullar166 that was definitely hella hilarious when you hear Thor interrupt the game over screen "Naw I'm not done yet" Caught me so off guard.

Damn... Edit: Out of all the other comments concerning the mural, this is actually the best one I've read. I don't care if the writers themselves say that's not what they meant, it's just that good.

@@boio_thedudeman1925 Anyone who says that the writing is inconsistent, really weren't paying attention and just want to shit on the game because their precious predictions and theories didn't come true.

Faye was the one who painted the mural?

@@supremo5209 she painted over the mural to show Kratos as a rebuilder. Remember the other giants prophecized his death, so the only real explanation for this alternate depiction of him is that Faye saw the future differently.

@@The_Story_Of_Us I know it makes sense that Faye painted that mural, but at the same time it doesn’t. I mean, wasn’t angrboda supposed to be the one that paints this mural? How do you know it was Faye? Real question, thanks

Video games are this generations art form.

I was just thinking the same thing. It's a shame people won't experience such a masterpiece because of their hangups about video games

One of the greatest experiences I’ve ever felt… we waited so long for this to come out & now it’s already been 3 months 😢

Its also 25x longer than anything in theaters.

Facts. The storytelling itself is better than most tv shows and movies these days 😂🤣

Agreed!

You mean the cliché mcu fanboy type writing lol people really need to stop acting like this game has breakthrough writing if you want good writing play nier

@@synopsis5480 they never said anything about any breakthrough in writing, they simply said it's amazing And yeah, nier is great, but not everyone care about it

@@synopsis5480 Believe it or not, MCU didn't invent rousing speeches or comedy

@@synopsis5480 You have a limited scope of literature.

Faye saw something in him that he couldn't even imagine and she made it even more clear with Atreus and that having a son is more responsibility and more important than his past

She weirdly seemed shady even in game lmao but the ending resolved her, before that she came off rly weird

I hope mimir and Freya are around the next game. Too good of characters to get left behind.

@@groovydespairgod5190 deadass lmao but then again, just her character, she had a temper to because of that fight that was said to happen with Thor in vanaheim

@@marcoplaystation2314 it gives me chills knowing they fought and then in the begging of the gane after you create the iced lightning spike thor says “this feels familiar” but doesn’t follow up with anything

I also believe that he got emotional because its nice to be loved by all than feared

@@zrixhi yeah mostly that

Kind of a bummer how it wasn't explained clearly in game how he exactly got into midgard i know i know the comics explained that but come on

Hes finally being worshipped as a god not a warrior

I dont believe Odin had anything to do with Kratos emotional reaction to the mural. In fact Odins words were barley even a dot on the spectrum of what Kratos had already experienced and probably heard about himself before. It does however have EVERYTHING to do with "the god he used to be". In his vengeance, Kratos didn't just kill the Greek gods and destroy the pantheon. He basically destroyed Greece. Killing MILLIONS in the process of getting his revenge. Children, women, men and the old. Hence why he was so hard on Atreus when he killed Modi. Kratos knows what killing a god can bring. But when Kratos saw the mural, the weight on his shoulders of that guilt...It shook him. I don't think Kratos believed he would ever be able to somewhat correct his mistake. Of being anything other than a monster. Of being loved.

A part of me want them to stop right there before ruining the franchise like M-She-U and Rings of Power.... But if they can keep consistent... I want Egyptian, Chinese, Japanese, hell maybe even Alaskan mythos

@@yharnamiyhill787 Odds are moving forward they will be following Atreus in his search for more giants in other lands. I doubt they could mess that up. Not like what became of Marvel after Infinity War

@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens yall some hating ass losers.

@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens from what I understand, before they made the decision to make these 2 games about the Norse gods, God of war 4 was originally set in Egypt! With that in mind, I believe they can follow atreus on his quest for the giants, but it seems that now that Odin is gone, Kratos will be heading to New lands to face the other pantheons of gods ( Egyptian, Celtic, And I think someone also mentioned Japanese gods being possible? ) but the Egyptian storyline is most likely to come next, since it was originally planned for gow4, but I'm am very happy they went with this storyline for 4 and ragnarok, the story telling and dialogue throughout the games, main quests and side quests were fantastic! Like in vanahiem where you learn from ghosts that Faye fought Thor with the very axe she left for you, that you have had since beginning of gow4. Excellent games and I can't wait to see what's next..Also hoping mimir's severed head makes the trip with the old man! 😀 gotta love Mims. ❤

Its literally top tier movie quality

Nature*** but yes beautifully written

gow3 kratos wouldve ripped thor and odin to threads

@@michaelrodney7898 His uncontrolled rage, violence, rudeness towards others, not helping others etc would end him in the long run. Odin especially would have used that against him, he would really have no allies like Freya, Freyr, Atreus etc.

@Dious Thomas nah he bodied the entire greek pantheon. you and i both know after that had kratos raged like he did then and against heimdall he wouldve smashed thors head in with mjoinir and ripped odins head off. they stand no chance

@@michaelrodney7898 yes, perhaps.... BUT- Norse Kratos isn't the same as Greek Kratos... He clearly has changed and grown over many years of self reflection. Giving in to his past rage, is to lose who he wants to be.

I don't know about that in regards to the Greek saga's prophesies bc he was destined to destroy Olympus from childhood and he did just that

Odin was gonna lose no matter what. The true prophecy showed the fall of Asgard and the only trick left he had was completing the mask to get infinite knowledge but guess what? Kratos and Atreus had the mask. Technically speaking Thor and Odin should have needed to do the first move, not Kratos and his crew. If you stop to think about it they didnt really change since they started Ragnarok AND killed Heimdall. What you are saying would make sense if Kratos didnt go to war and kill heimdall but he still did. It shouldnt matter why you kill, not killing is what he needed to do to change. The fates say it best "he slays gods but now he feels bad for it?" Meaning its not about why you kill but its about the fact you shouldnt kill in the first place. The devs fucked up because heimdall is the one who should have been spared not Thor. Kratos spares Thor after killing Heimdall and even admits it "I came back to who I was". Than he spared Thor, but he should have spared them all, Heimdall, Thor, Odin... Also Thor "changed" right at the end after losing to Kratos but still got killed by Odin. So what about that? You dont really change to chsnge your fate then, since Thor still died, Odin didnt change. Kratos is protected by the Plot but not Thor and everyone else. You can argue Faye maybe died to let Kratos somehow live but still someone still has to die lmao. Some people dont seem to be allowed to change their fates even if they try everything.

@@IlNamelessKinglI Heimdall was asking for it though. Kratos tried to spare him multiple time, but it wounded his pride and get angry about it until he brings up what's he's gonna do with Atreus that he finally lost it and killed him

@@IlNamelessKinglI Heimdall was spared though, until he threatened to kill Atreus. Kratos at that point couldn’t just let him go to follow through on his threat, nor could he risk calling his bluff. Thor got killed because everyone is just a tool to Odin, so Thor refusing to be used anymore, he was killed while weak and caught off guard. And Thor did change, but just because that’s what saved Kratos, that doesn’t mean it applies to everyone. Odin didn’t change because he never tried to, even in the face of death he still refused to at least try and change. And we still don’t know why Faye died, hopefully that gets answered. At the end of the day, it was about cause and affect, choices leading to consequences. Kratos opening his heart and changing saved his life somehow. Thor changing displeased Odin so he was killed for it. Odin caring little for his family caused Sif to convince Thor of the truth, along with help from Kratos. Refusing to change got him soul trapped, and killing Brok unnecessarily, got him killed by Sindri who actually cares for his family unlike Odin. I don’t know how Kratos changing saved him, because he had Thor beat, so the only thing I can think of is if continued the fight Odin would help Thor kill Kratos. Hopefully that too is explained.

@@IlNamelessKinglI According to mural, Kratos was supposed to die to Thor in front of Odin's lodge. Where Atreus would come up to him and be sad before joining Odin, probably by using the mask. They changed their fate because of how hard Atreus and subsequently Kratos tried to change Thor. If Atreus acted like Loki classic from myth, he would have tried to sow the seeds of discord among Thor and his family. Encouraged Thor falling off the bandwagon, then talked down on Thor for doing so. He could have tried to poison Thrud against her parents by saying they don't believe in her. Instead he chose to be really genuine actually. Trying to fix Thor's family. Instead of saying Thor and Sif don't believe in Thrud, he says HE believes in Thrud and offers to help her case to her mom. He tries to get Thor to do better for his family instead of ridicule him like he could have. Then finally Kratos saved himself by changing who he is. He wasn't a monster who killed without cause anymore. He moves to avoid killing if at all possible. And he saw an opportunity with Thor which changed his fate. And actually, Thrud and Thor took and reversed the place of Kratos and Atreus in the mural's prophecy. Thor died and Thrud was sad and ended up joining Kratos and Atreus, her enemies up until that point.

@@whitewolf7454 I would take a guess and say if kratos did not take the time to tell atreus they have to change then they would not have been separated. He might have still been with him when thrud threatened him and kratos might have tried or actually kill her which would have sent Thor toa blood fueled rage. Kratos might not have been able to stop a Thor that mad

The word applies to lot of characters in the game and even the game itself. GoW never flop and only get better every new release. Atreus, Kratos, Freya, even Sif and Thor got better as time goes. If we have the next game we might see Sindri getting better too.

How did kratos ever get over the nightmares about his first wife and daughter? The gods never rid him of them

@@taigaseji While fighting Zeus, he had a vision of his wife and kids who embrace him and forgive him. That greatly boosted his morale.

Be better is out of place and story is a mess

Or as Mimir said about Tyr, "A god of war. But one who fought for peace." Because it applies to Kratos as well now.

I hate what they did to him honestly

@@snaxgalore5764 what, give him growth beyond yells alot and anger.

@@stargate6126330 yea but still make him a badass I mean come on

@@snaxgalore5764 he's still pretty badass as a father ngl

What sisters lol

@@troypapa3470 the dead ones

Honestly this confuses sisters of fate show that fate IS real, though it is possible to defy it, while Norns claim that fate isnt real, that is a contradicition in the story of god of war, fate either is or isnt real it cannot be both ways, based on what sisters of fate can do I would argue that that they are right and fate is in fact real.

@@Culaio It’s because the norse and Greek worlds are different places. It’s hard to explain, basically each mythology takes place in a different dimensions but all of them are linked to Earth. So the greeks follow one set of rules and the norse gods follow another set

@@darkgames3477 similarly, there is no world tree in greece but there is one in norse mythology due to their different rules

he became a soy boy ☹

@@FuckJewTube664 I get where you're coming from, but I can't agree. Perhaps they did overdo level of Kratos' mellowing out, but nowhere near the soyboy level.

Please for my englishy, but for me is very clear in the next game” kratos rebuild norse place with freya and others still alive” and maybe Tyr (god of war) decide pike indian gods to atack kratos. The fact kratos decide not kill other gods for me significal he is atacked for one “hate god” in the new home. The indian gods sugesting for tyr the real

I imagine the next installment being, God of Peace: Egyptian Tales. Kidding! Beautiful comment!

It's a lame direction

​@@Cormano980Did you mentally grow up at all in the last year?

That was ironic of Odin considering he asked Thor to kill all the Giants for somenthing they didnt even do, out of fear. He wasnt justified to kill them since they were innocent. Also Kratos clearly has power over fate but not everyone else does. Thor changes after you defeat him in Asgard but he still dies to Odins hand. Catch is, Kratos changing didnt make him die but Thor Changing still led to his death. EVERYONE has to change for changes to happen. Odin was still able to kill Thor since he didnt change. Why Odin couldnt kill Kratos aswell? Apart from being outnumbered 😂

@@IlNamelessKinglI Thor lived in the mural prophecy, he was the one who killed Kratos. The whole timeline changed when Thor changed.

@@Kjf365 Thor isnt a crucial character in the game. His changing probably isnt even necessary for prophecy to change. Faye changed their fate by going against the giants, dying and destroying the murals.

@@IlNamelessKinglI Well I should also point out that Thor killed Kratos in the mural as well. The reason he didn't was because of Atreus and Kratos trying to help him. If Atreus was Loki from the myth, he would have been trying to drive a wedge in his family and cause problems. But instead he tried to actually tried to solve their issues which started to show Thor he could be different. And then Kratos elected to try to talk Thor down rather than go sicko mode and kill him which was what tipped him over the edge. Changing everyone's nature was what changed prophecy.

@@Kjf365 Odin still didnt change. Id argue Angrboda was one of the biggest wildcards of the plot, since she says it herself, half way through she disappears, she could freely do whatever she wanted, therefore out of everyone she had the most potential to change fate.

He was never a monster he was used, manipulated, lied to then cast away and blamed by the gods for the outcome even though he did exactly as they wanted plus they killed off his whole family.

​@@joshuakeely5593tbf, the stuff he did to innocent people in the original games was pretty monster-like. Those red and green orbs always came at a cost.

@@Clown_Syndrome story wise he didn't that player based.

@@joshuakeely5593 there are multiple moments throughout all the games where you don't have a choice. Poseidon's girl, getting the bow of Apollo, getting the icarus wings, the boat captain (which kratos actually regrets in the 2018 game). Sure, the player does a lot more, but Kratos does those things in the story.

@@Clown_Syndrome yes I know I beat every single game multiple times since the original first came out on PS2. Just take them as a game nothing more.

Read in mimir's voice because you said "our brother."

@@Rikirie Great now I did it and made my self cry

@@ocathain-games - I’m out here crying too. This game is the stuff of legends.

Except for Sindri who was broken beyond repair.

@@proximityclockworkx1572 because sindri caused brok to come back,he learned to accept the aftermath

@@proximityclockworkx1572 sadly yes, although this still fits in what I said here: Sindri’s whole loss is mostly caused by Atreus’s tendency of “wanting to look for answer no matter the cause”, which is the key property that drives his “fate”. Finding “who Loki is” “what happened to the giants” “the answer to divert his father’s seemingly fixed death”, all these were his characteristic choice, and besides losing Sindri’s friendship, temporarily losing his father’s trust was also one of the many prices he had to pay. Despite of all that he still wanted to get answers because that’s “his fate”, that’s who he was. But in the end he decided to break the mask and stop looking for THE answers, that’s exactly him “being better”. To be honest I almost felt surprised that he broke it, and I’d imagine things could have turned out quite differently if he didn’t, we’d never know though.

Change your fate by being better This is something that the Vikings lived by, and this game portrayed it nicely. Vikings didn´t really cared about their future, because what was supposed to happen would happen, thus fate has complete control over their lives. What they could change though, is how they live. They could choose who they were, and this game sums it nicely. Its not important whether you die or survive. Its not about getting a specific result like Odin wanted, its about who you are on the way there. Kratos is a god killing machine, thats his fate. But he managed to go from a wrathful killer of gods, to a protective father that kills gods. It is a paradox, but he rebuilt the world by destruction.

All this time, the truth is in front all of us... "Do not be sorry (for the past), be better (for the future)."

Why would that erase his existence? In his timeline, he was already sent back in time and that would never change. Also, he could have just fought after his younger self was sent back in time.

@@Dlord1PlayStation kind of standard timeline shenanigans really. In fiction atleast. Considering we dont delve in to multiverse level concepts, we are to assume there can only ever be one physical timeline that exists. What ever happens in the past of this time line still has to track with the present one other wise "It never happened". Despite the game revolving around fates and prophecies, I do not believe old Jorman is from a different timeline. He is from this one we playthrough no matter what, because the events of the game are already so so far removed from what might be considered events that should have occured. IE our actually modern day myths, or even the destinies mentioned in game. Young Jorman just has to be sent back in time in order for old Jorman to exist, and it is possible while he was young and filled with new life, he only wanted revenge on Thor. After surviving for who knows how long after being sent backwards, he's likely grown more tired and comfortable in survival and self preservation. Not to mention old Jorman is still stuck in Midgard while all of this occurs in Asgard. So no travelling between realms for big snake friend.

@@trampoline11x wibbly woobly timey wimey?

@@ladyselin35 Very. With thematic stitching scattered around. Take the mural of atreus holding a dead Kratos. The ending has Odin in his place instead. Kind of by accident in the story. Obviously by design of the makers.

He actually just over slept. Was very distraught when he woke up fifty years later and realized he missed Ragnarok... and Thor dying.

Sometimes when i finish games i feel utterly as well

@@ercolearmani6186 lol thanks for pointing that out

@@Saidtoratwya Lol i was just joking

Same. I wanted to immediately see what Atreus/Loki was doing and check on Sindri, poor Sindri. I platinum it this morning and sat there like wait what.

Maybe the series itself isn’t over, but Kratos story is. I would love to see a spin-off series about a grown up Atreus on his journies, showing the result of Kratos teachings as a father.

That's what made me look this up. I noticed just how shaken he was looking at that last image, and how relieved he looked. Nothing but praise for this game.

Plus perhaps its too cold for the snake even if he wanted to fight

@@kbkb4284 Yeah because He’s probably Just Hibernating or something Like we can clearly see his scales piping out of the Ice

i feel like in the origina way it was 'supposed to end' there, was that while thor sent that version into the past, the old jormungandar would appear and continue the fight. die fighting him but also mortally wound him as a result. But thor's attention being drawn to kratos chanfged that fate and jormungandar elder never came.

@@taddad2641 i had came up with the same thought so we must b right

Right, I simply don’t understand how that wasn’t the Jörmungandr we already knew from Midgard at Ragnarök. How the hell are you telling me that snake Atreus and Angrboda revived grew that big, that quickly?

How sweet was that?

In the first scene with the Mask, when Atreus reads part of it before going to Muspelheim with Thor-it's in Greek

True

Nah it was Faye's signature yellow paint, not Angrboda's.

I think kratos after done rebuilding the norse, goes back to greece and try fix it and find some foreign god there

@@louaydaoua That would be boring, Greece is dead and gone. He needs to be like Tyr and travel the world to other lands and see their religions like Egypt and Maya and Incan or Chinese or Japanese. Probably find their pantheons are just as corrupt as Asgard was and set it right the only way we know how: gratuitous violence.

@@Kjf365 nah if kratos is in China or Egypt I ain’t playing whatever game it is😂

Sun Wukong would use Kratos as toilet paper.

​@@averagejoe2402that's pretty funny.

@@normalguycap ?

@@normalguycap I just have no idea what you trying to explain to me and don’t assume prematurely that my English is weak cause of it. Don’t mean it in a disrespectful way.

@@normalguycap No it was not. I said I had I had huge expectations and game was so good it was even better then that. Then u said it was sad that I had huge expectations. For some reason u believed the expectation was low. PS I did not play that quest so don't know

@@normalguycap First of all, if you don’t like the game stop complaining about it to others. I believe it was amazing and enjoyed the hell out of it. Secondly, I did not play the game cause in my country stuff like that comes out too damn late so I watched a gameplay, therefore I do not know all the section by name cause I never had the chance to play.

@@normalguycap First of all, I did not see 20 minutes of the movie. I watched all of the 40+ hours without skipping. Straight your facts first. Secondly, how dare YOU think you are better than me because you played the game. Lmao you played game once and talk as if you are an expert. I enjoyed the hell watching and was honest about it. How dare YOU think you can judge better just because you played. I paid attention to the dialogs, the graphic details, the characters. You probably just skimmed the game not paying attention and think you the man. This is the last time I reply to you. Go get a life instead of whining about a game you hated and other loved. Have a nice day.

Even the kindest person of the world wouldn't have been able to spare Heimdall. He was just too obnoxious to deserve living

I honestly think they’ll be a dlc or something of the like in the future for atreus. The game ended very open for him and too many unresolved plot points to wait an indefinite amount of years to be answered

@@jlit5215 I’d bet we either get a dlc for Atreus, or a third game with another time skip. Maybe a plot line that follows what God of War 3 was originally meant to be, where Zeus was killed in the beginning and gods from other realms try and take advantage of the power vacuum. Kratos protects the 9 realms (or 8, I guess), and cements himself as someone worthy of worship.