[Learning Midlane] Tethering/zoning/pressuring. D5 vs Challenger Part 1

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[Learning Midlane] Tethering/zoning/pressuring. D5 vs Challenger Part 1

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D5 player plays until 5:15
I take over at 5:16 until 8:12
Learn in this video how to chase properly playing a lane.
In this video, it shows a D5/P1 EUW player (gold 5 korea at the time) 1v1 against former NA Academy top laner Max Waldo. The player doesn't know how to properly pressure and move in lane, and so the entire session is catered towards trying to do that. In the video I also play a 1v1 vs Max, and explain why/how to do some of the things.
This coaching session was done IRL, that's why all 3 voices are coming from one microphone/sometimes the sound is distant.
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@vicniglio 6 жыл бұрын

1000% the kind of videos i wanna see from you LS

@dmitry1826 6 жыл бұрын

There's more coming soon, Watch out ;)

@zealous404 6 жыл бұрын

Op.gg roast compilation is always appreciated

@ksilva2848 6 жыл бұрын

There is like 3 hours of stream like this. I've watched it all, but i'm willing to watch it again cuz the editing is so clean

@cichytechnik6529 3 жыл бұрын

Can u link it ?

@Christoffer_EUW 6 жыл бұрын

To the guy who was willing to let this footage be shown to the rest of us even tho there are idiots out there claiming this and that about his rank, thank you. LS content is getting better with this editor btw :)

@exoticaura3637 6 жыл бұрын

This editor is so clean and smooth I love it ;)

@dmitry1826 6 жыл бұрын

Thank's, always happy to read positive comments!

@miraakprinceofapocrypha7998 6 жыл бұрын

Dmitry KKomrade

@KneeCaps 6 жыл бұрын

Dmitry godly

@doesitmatter 6 жыл бұрын

at first i was like wtf is going on ls video edited, am i really on ls channel xD

@brightbright4314 6 жыл бұрын

Did you edit the nocturne vs graves short commentary video? The edit was sexy as fuck, I was in love with it.

@WinterbIue 6 жыл бұрын

I think it is very obvious that ori is focussing very little on the mechanical side of the game play right now because he is focusing fully on what LS is telling him. All those people saying he is not d5 or that he is bad probably never tried playing while 100% focusing on what someone is teaching you.

@dmitry1826 6 жыл бұрын

I'm currently learning to drive a car and yeah... you get the most basic stuff wrong because of nervousness lol

@DharcKamui 6 жыл бұрын

What people aren't realizing is both LS and Matt already understand the concept they're trying to teach, so they can find flaws in his play and exploit them before he even knows he made a mistake. This comes along with learning anything new, and takes time to grasp the concept before you can be decent at it. It's just like trying to teach someone how to cs when they've never played a moba. Just because you are D5 doesn't mean you'll instantly pick up on a new strategy you've never used before, especially considering he's joined a region where a lot of his own skill is lost in translation against clearly better players. D5 in EUW is nowhere close to D5 in KR. The gap only widens the farther up the ladder you climb. Everyone in this comment section is probably Silver anyway.

@junecoopmans5162 6 жыл бұрын

It's MAX not matt

@NotThatGui 6 жыл бұрын

June Coopmans mex wildo

@ASSASSIN79100 6 жыл бұрын

D5 vs. Challenger obviously he’s gona look bad

@aaabbb-lq9cp 6 жыл бұрын

I think it's the font on the korean server that makes players so good

@ShinYamiZakura 6 жыл бұрын

Can confirm, went up 2 divisions one week after setting the client correctly.

@austinwyant2928 6 жыл бұрын

LMAO I fucking love the Korean font. I'd give this comment gold if I could.

@miessen6580 5 жыл бұрын

Is there a way to get the Korean font ? I find really outdated posts on the internet.

@oceanwaves32 5 жыл бұрын

lol 200iq comment :')

@aviddavid8793 5 жыл бұрын

And dont forget to combo with skin

@alfrederdogan5532 6 жыл бұрын

Ls, thank you for this free high quality content you bring us.

@tokyomobster3072 6 жыл бұрын

Cool editing and your explanations really help low elo players like me! Please more!

@brumpbotungus8425 6 жыл бұрын

This video helped me so much. I'm currently sitting at Bronze 2, playing with Thresh midlanes, Yasuo supports, xayah supports etc. But after watching this video, laning is now more than just farming and not dying for me. I'm making it a habit to not only look at the enemy minions' health to last hit but also at my own to know what my opponent will do as well. This really has opened up the game of league for me. I've realized that you can never truly let your mind wander while playing, even if youre only laning. Thanks so so much for the video. it helps a lot.

@poadude 4 жыл бұрын

bro what league are u now i need an update

@TheHipPro 3 жыл бұрын

@@poadude agreed

@FuseiYudo21 6 жыл бұрын

All those people who say „boosted ori“ probably do even more mistakes themselves but dont notice them and blame other people for the consequences

@aradlaghai1282 6 жыл бұрын

all those people are hardstuck in silver/gold anyways. its the internet dude where lows shit talk other players . crazy right

@vassinarain 6 жыл бұрын

Rasmusb you can easily get d5 without thinking about these things that much, people in d5 won't punish you like ls is doing. Passive play actually gets you pretty high up the ladder, I got d5 as an adc who exclusively focused on not dieing (everything else was autopilot) , took me 2 years in this shithole to realise there were a million things I wasn't actively thinking about

@techguy8275 5 жыл бұрын

So true. I dare people to watch replays of what they think are their best games. They will be very embarrassed that is their “best.” It’s really hard to notice your mistakes in real time, which is why everyone thinks they’re better than their teammates

@StarcraftSwarm 4 жыл бұрын

This looks like a first time ori tbh

@MustyStafa 6 жыл бұрын

This content is very informative as usual, but this editor just enhances the viewing experience even more.

@TussBeatbox 6 жыл бұрын

This is the perfect way to present your content! Great editing and great session! Love it!

@alexandrumanole7460 6 жыл бұрын

Damn LS is such a good coach

@bbbbbbb51 6 жыл бұрын

Alex Manole totally! Thing is some people don't listen to him & then call him a bad coach hahaha. In order for a coach to teach you have to listen & apply what they say :)

@ryanl838 6 жыл бұрын

He's a good player with a good understanding of concepts of the game. That doesn't necessarily make him a good coach. He seems really bad with people as far as actually being patient and teaching them calmly. He's a good entertainer and twitch personality though for people who want to pay to be roasted.

@jonasrossen 6 жыл бұрын

Strongly disagree. He knows his shit - agree. But he has no idea how to motivate, explain pre- and post gameplay. He's trying to teach/educate doing a high pressure situation (dude, he's playing challenger, while LS is freaking criticizing you without being specific about his missteps. He's using degrading communication - sighing, talking down and joking with his mate - about the student.. He knows his shit, yes. He can't coach for shit - sorry.

@emilemongiat2378 6 жыл бұрын

No coach that you pay for is going to be patient with you if you fuck up when he tells you exactly what to do. Plain and simple.

@PeterPan-ls3yu 6 жыл бұрын

There are many ways to rome and you should not jugde someones way of doing his job without any expertice or background to back you up. And please never think you are an expert just from the information you have about LS from op.gg, stream stuff or reddit posts...

@jacobkamp9564 6 жыл бұрын

Love the way this is edited tbh, hope to see more content like this. - the visuals + cutting to importants so theres no waste. Obviously not as applicable to things like full game sessions. But could be of use in vod reviews etc.

@xavir.3613 6 жыл бұрын

This is pure gold man, thanks LS.

@davidxu1771 6 жыл бұрын

Was just watching the MVP vs KZ game, and noticed that BDD on the ori used this type of zoning/denial so much. Great vid!

@KeeperCode 8 ай бұрын

Kinda insane how good this video still is today. The matchup is basically the same as it was 5 years ago.

@FlipsMG 6 жыл бұрын

Best coaching content ever created on this channel

@majoranix2753 6 жыл бұрын

This is just so exciting to watch after getting zoned like this in the same way by Max.

@VincentViolence 6 жыл бұрын

Most the comments hating on this guy for trying to learn. "Hur dur this guy is d5 so bad derpa derp." He is up against a challenger player. Big difference. It's easy to bag on a guy when nobody can see your rank, or you playing. I don't even play mid but this was interesting and good on this player for getting coaching because he can see he needs it to get better. Good job.

@emanuelzivkovic1245 6 жыл бұрын

Great stuff, i finally grasped how zoneing works

@bombzilla2593 4 жыл бұрын

I still watch these reviews to this day. The only thing I wish LS would change is how upset he gets. It shows how much he loves the game that it actually upsets him when someone plays bad, but the poor guy is just trying to learn :(

@vufizi 6 жыл бұрын

I love the new editing! So clean!

@liuds7722 6 жыл бұрын

i like these kind of videos, not 2 hours long, no ls flame, no stupid comparisons that make no sense. All of that cringy filler gone only useful information :)

@pocketblue 6 жыл бұрын

"Not quite my tempo" To anyone interested in actually learning from this, I advice to go watch full twitch vod 19th june - "Watch this to learn how to win lane hard." 1:46:16 For the sake of feedback - overall didn't like the edit, it feels to be more focused on entertaining, with cuts which ignore "silent" parts of the laning, thinking that only "vocal" ones (or where ls takes the wheel) are important. Not to say that the video is bad (compressing it to 15 mins is a good job), just empathising that everyone interested should watch it raw.

@henrique-3d 4 жыл бұрын

I cant find this video you mentioned!

@dani3l303 6 жыл бұрын

5:28 Shame that dmitree cut the very beginning of the lane out, i think how LS moves to the wave and what he autos and when is really important to see aswell... no reason to cut it out to 3-4 secs later imo. Then at 5:44 again, we should be a able to see every bit of the laning to not miss anything... the entire second wave with csing and pressuring qith Q is just cut out edit: just noticed it happens more in the video(s)

@mangymetal 5 жыл бұрын

I Think that they doesnt Want to exhibit that ls made mistakes. They just Want to show the point that you can actually win the trades against other d5 players. Off couse that changes against a Challenger.

@ferninaruto 5 жыл бұрын

I dont know, but maybe the call me maybe song might get copyrigthed if it gets played more than 10 seconds

@taylorrobens2761 6 жыл бұрын

This is fucking amazing, keep up the amazing work LS

@Diblegs 6 жыл бұрын

I love the format! More of this please

@lipnoodle117 6 жыл бұрын

Holy shit that theme music killed me

@tortoise_maniac6049 5 жыл бұрын

LS cosplays a minecraft spider at 12:38 lol

@SuperAkaras 6 жыл бұрын

Love the content, love the editing, hoping to see more of this.

@stingser 6 жыл бұрын

More like this rather than 1-2 hours of pure recording would be lovely.

@topiastuomisto 10 ай бұрын

This is 5 years old and is still just as relevant and important to learn

@rogi2094 6 жыл бұрын

LS at his finest

@EC___ 6 жыл бұрын

very well edited... fast and quick information, good source to learn... WOW

@daanreehoorn3403 6 жыл бұрын

Very nice video! Looking forward to the next!

@AgarioSplitrunner 5 жыл бұрын

nice coaching video. btw if this is practise tool, you can just click the down-arrow-button at the left side and press 'reset', instead of exiting and re-entering the game.

@delanogoudappel 5 жыл бұрын

Can't play practice tool with someone else- this was a custom game.

@333kenlee333 6 жыл бұрын

Great video would love to see something like this regurarly

@lightworkval 6 жыл бұрын

Actually love the editor

@neltran6198 6 жыл бұрын

THIS IS GOLD I WANT MORE

@Kim-tr5op 6 жыл бұрын

all this start again reminds of me of the movie "whiplash" where the conductor yells "not quite my tempo" to the kid

@patryknafona8473 6 жыл бұрын

Im really happy you can put videos like this on yt(I watch your stream whenever I can), especially that Im midlaner (d4/d3 eune, 55 ping cant really go to euw) with 55% soloq wnr on ori, I would like to see more vids about mid coz I know u have the knowledge to talk about it

@topiastuomisto 3 жыл бұрын

55 ping cant go to euw XD X D X

@Nequial 6 жыл бұрын

I like this type of videos with editing

@Grimgariano 6 жыл бұрын

An editor? After all these years? :o

@Grimgariano 6 жыл бұрын

Congrats

@BLUEGENE13 4 жыл бұрын

every1 keep in mind he's probably playing weird caus LS is watching him play

@saberplaytop 6 жыл бұрын

The irelia is beasting and feasting even in the middle of a huge minion wave...

@TheModedEzio 6 жыл бұрын

This edit was very clean and the way I’d like to watch most of these videos, well done ! In addition, could you freeze frame or whatever and talk over giving your thoughts and maybe something we might miss that’s a big point or tip ! Thanks :)

@alexvargas1772 6 жыл бұрын

I really liked this video. More like this please!

@turdle2767 2 жыл бұрын

wat a great coach: woah woah woah and also : what are you doing what are you doing

@Kain1805 6 жыл бұрын

I love this kind of videos

@Kyubii 6 жыл бұрын

It only took Dimitry 2 months lol

@dmitry1826 6 жыл бұрын

Quality takes time ;) All jokes aside though, I apologize for the delay and thank you guys for your patience =)!

@hiddenlights2809 6 жыл бұрын

I'm getting flashbacks to when Beaverton upgraded the quality of his coaching boss and then quit less than a month later

@mathongames3lb 6 жыл бұрын

Perfect video

@dani3l303 6 жыл бұрын

please dont cut out any part of gameplay, pls reupload this or make it change, there are parts of laning missing like first few sec and entire second wave and so on

@shadowmuurheru 6 жыл бұрын

THIS IS AWESOME! THANK YOU!!

@ukuleledude6646 6 жыл бұрын

Great video i love you LS!!!

@jonathanvonbiela7277 6 жыл бұрын

So fckin great, thx for putting out this quality stuff

@asch220 6 жыл бұрын

Great video and great people

@davuvuvbro649 2 жыл бұрын

this might be 3 years old but like i have never understood so much so fast

@AlluckyTV 2 жыл бұрын

More videos like this pls but with ls playing too

@saki1333 6 жыл бұрын

Love content like this

@Zombiekillahx5 6 жыл бұрын

YESSS THANK YOU THESE ARE THE THINGS I LOVE TO SEE dont get me wrong i loved the vods but i need to LEARNNNN im a plat 4 sup and mid pleb and only a god like LS can teach me how to get better btw get on beyond the rift in the next EP PLEASE!!!

@zed9649 4 жыл бұрын

Please make more of these!!!

@muddavadda 4 жыл бұрын

Bit of on old video, but I kinda fail to see how the situation at 5:33 and 12:11 is significantly different from the one at 9:34 or 8:24 ... In all of the scenarios, Irelia was protected by 3 caster minions that would make her hard win a level 1 trade. Not sure what exactly made it so Irelia "cant walk up" at 12:11? I mean, at 14:11 , Irelia takes the Q trade again, so...

@skiffyjoes8586 6 жыл бұрын

love the new editing LS much easier to watch, this is my first and last comment enjoy...

@NoobAsPlayerScottny 5 жыл бұрын

actually quality.

@KPpivot 6 жыл бұрын

i like this kind of video MORE PLEASE!!!!!

@dawgyv72 6 жыл бұрын

Great, another dime-a-dozen channel with these typical editors.

@joarspele5991 6 жыл бұрын

Great Vid!!

@hunterharris637 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much LS

@emilianowiiland 6 жыл бұрын

i always feel so dumb when i think im good and then watch one of your coaches and see how little i know

@Raiko01 6 жыл бұрын

i found this to be very informative nice

@Raz-G 6 жыл бұрын

This is the difference betweenother players and LS. He wins lane with wave manipulation and poking at the right time according to his movement instead, and not thinking about killing irelia. If he kills irelia, okay that's good, but you fuck him up in 5 ways, but when you win lane in wave manipulation you fuck him up in 10 more ways.

@mapogo835 5 жыл бұрын

i learned s much from this me like every time ori dies pls go again XD

@alexsun3300 6 жыл бұрын

What is tethering?

@zealous404 6 жыл бұрын

I might be wrong but it relates to spacing; imagine there's a karma W between you and enemy Irelia for this case -- and you're supposed to keep a certain distance that'd allow you to exert pressure on Irelia by threatening to poke with Q/W combo, but also staying slightly out of range from Irelia's Q to prevent her from jumping on top of you If Irelia moves behind slightly, you move infront slightly; vice versa -- to keep a fixed gap between each other and also looking at minion positioning so you don't draw too much minion aggro upon AA-ing the Irelia Could be wrong but that's what I take away from this video; seems obvious to me if that's the case since Orianna is one of the champions that will benefit the most from this "concept" compared to other mid laners

@Koski_Sampo 6 жыл бұрын

How I understand it is to keep the enemy's distance fixed. Walk up if when you have the possibility, go back when you have to

@alexsun3300 6 жыл бұрын

zoning/tethering/pressuring are the same thing right?

@davidzbarcea2303 6 жыл бұрын

Related but not the same. Tethering is, as mentioned above, managing the space between you and your lane opponent so that you are on the edge of your effective range at all times. Zoning just means trying to get them far enough away from your minion wave to deny them XP and CS. Pressuring can be zoning, but not necessarily; it's when you use abilities and/or autos to apply pressure to them, usually with the goal of forcing them to trade HP for CS (for example, pressuring someone under their turret. You're not zoning them off XP but you are pressuring them into messing up CS or having to take damage in return).

@julianseipp2708 6 жыл бұрын

pressuring can also just be having the lane advantage and thus the first move(e.g by pushing the lane in your are pressuring your opponent which allows you to harass, ward or help your jungler invade)

@osset7198 6 жыл бұрын

Keep doing these videos

@ladyki9517 5 жыл бұрын

He's getting hit for free with those turret shots.. wtf o.o

@ashguycomedys 6 жыл бұрын

Loved this video. Could we also have one with a champion that doesn't have as good as a laning phase, like kassadin for example?

@itskorato 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome video

@coooooody 6 жыл бұрын

Please do more like these

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 6 жыл бұрын

People this was the person that was playing with insane High ping so this low ping and aggressive play style is new to him so of course he would play like crap till he gets used to it

@shardz9491 6 жыл бұрын

Nice and informative! :)

@euwpredator862 4 жыл бұрын

the ori player has never Flashed Irelia's E and must have always backed out / fully crashed the wave when 2/3/4 of his minions were low enough for an irelia's Q + passive to kill

@euwpredator862 4 жыл бұрын

and yes zoning is important but could've focused more on the match up it self

@blakelaprade8682 5 жыл бұрын

Someone help me understand (from my low elo perspective self). I get that Ori outranges irelia and you want to harrass and tether.. But it seems like there were times when he should’ve respected irelia’s all-ins and backed off but LS kept telling him to go forward??

@ranamahmood4876 5 жыл бұрын

The idea is that if you're 10 units outside of Irelia's dash (give or take however much depending on ping), she'll never get onto you -- of course this is assuming that you are able to dodge her stun. So, you keep her at a range in which she can't dash to you, but you can still act on her whenever she tries to walk up to the wave. By forcing her back and staying just at that range, she has to get off the wave and you can exert full dominance. When you're in a losing matchup, the game becomes HP preservation, not farming / trading.

@Nev7rmind 6 жыл бұрын

I'm D5 last season on EUW myself and I feel offended. Orianna didn't cs a full wave even once and keeps getting hit by the tower. Not to mention awful full range Qs.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 6 жыл бұрын

You got to keep in mind that this person was used to playing with insane High ping not low ping

@KurzedMetal 4 жыл бұрын

What I got from this: Ori loses at lvl3 no matter what, so Ori has to win at lvl2 (if she is not careful with wave, she can lose lvl2 too). So she has to have a big wave backing her up at lvl1-2, and have a thin enemy wave (less agro damage), that's why she wants to slow push by hitting the melee a few times. After that, she has to zone Irelia for XP and poke with Q + auto or Q + W + auto making a big hp advantage before level 3. At some point Irelia gets a huge caster under tower, and Ori can poke her even more when she goes to farm those casters. Did I get it right? did I miss anything else?

@TimmehTRP 6 жыл бұрын

Holy moly, what region is that D5 from? He's horrible, missing so much cs for no reason and trying to copy LS mouseclick spam but doing it without a reason or a thought behind it.. I coach people in silver/gold and they're on par with that dude at the start

@ukuleledude6646 6 жыл бұрын

Coach btw

@WarFervor 6 жыл бұрын

omg Max Waldo is alive xd

@user-gh8tw1ry3n 6 жыл бұрын

Would have been helpful to look at the health of your own minions so that you can predict when the irelia is going to Q.

@pesapesto3471 6 жыл бұрын

wish i could see full vid

@Vincentthewon 6 жыл бұрын

I have a question, would you still do this against an early game jg like j4 or xin? if they gank while you are zoning so far up you will most likely have to blow a sum. in that situation would you want to pull the wave, freeze right before tower hits the minions and then start zoning like this?

@gamingstuff7764 6 жыл бұрын

Vincent The One freeze in front of your tower is most of the time a good option to avoid ganks. If you are really worried and pushing then hard shove and back up. Get wards down such as enemy raptors and in river which might help. If you see them coming early enough you can usually get away without a sum

@-chrgrpeasant4274 6 жыл бұрын

Basically yes, u play similar except that rather than trying to crash the wave (what you do when you are set behind) you aim to zone off irelia and setup a freeze. If you notice when LS played and called the gg and exited the game he had roughly double cs (something like 14 Ire vs 27 Ori) and was forcing Irelia home and setting up a HUGE freeze towards himself which at that point basically makes the lane over unless excessive jungler presence comes to help Irelia. Thing is you have to learn how to track/predict the jungler by knowing their routes, checking their CS and watching your jungler position and which camps are up.