No instructional climbing video comment section would be complete without a bunch of blokes giving their reasons for why the perfectly safe methods described aren’t legitimate and their own slightly different variation is superior.
@pixelcrust2 жыл бұрын
the thing is, climbing can always be made safer, and just because nothing happened for you or the person that is showing something doesnt mean its the best way to do it. being open for advice and critique is important here :)
@JFalke952 жыл бұрын
Somebody had to say it
@charlie.carter.outdoors2 жыл бұрын
Amen brother
@simmojosh71 Жыл бұрын
@@pixelcrust The point is their methods are not "safer" or "better" they work better for them but they are just different ways of doing things. It's the way they are framing their comments that is the issue.
@stephenchurch1784 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, we all learned slightly differently and we tend to be leary of other methods until they've proven themselves to us. Even if Honnald gave me a tip, I'd test it while backed up on something placed the way that has saved my life countless times in the past
@rock_60224 күн бұрын
Brings back happy memories of my early trad days! Ah! Those were the good old days! These days I mainly boulder but I am looking to get back into trad and brushing up on old skills! :)
@alice-alicekerrmountaineer90312 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the comments and it's great to see and hear that people are enjoying these videos! :)
@mw53602 жыл бұрын
These are absolutely fantastic. So calm and slowly through everything. Thanks!
@alarge1819 Жыл бұрын
I don't trad climb. But really useful info and explained really clearly.
@Ianp-mg4hv Жыл бұрын
You’re an excellent instructor, videos are very educational and are the perfect pace to keep up with 🙌🏼
@VALERYAN581 Жыл бұрын
very,very good video ❤❤❤
@DivergentEvolution2 жыл бұрын
A brand new set of DMM offsets: one of the most beautiful sights in all of climbing.
@ski4life92 жыл бұрын
Right after a brand new double rack of dragons! Love me some hexes, and bull dogs too
@davidredshaw4483 ай бұрын
As someone who doesn't climb much because I'm living at the non-mountain end of the country but who leads a bit and tries to keep my "leading mentality" alive, I've found two series of instructional videos of great help. Yours is one and Glenmore Lodge in Aviemore is another. Both well illustrated and explained. Hope you don't mind me mentioning the competition! All in the cause of keeping us safe.
@armandmatossian20812 жыл бұрын
This is casually the best description I’ve heard of over vs under cammed 2:38. Every other description talks about angle. The angle is hard to guess and see. But the face contact is so much clearer!
@lukemagee462 Жыл бұрын
Just getting into climbing and what a great video this is. Learnt tons watching this and Alice is a fantastic teacher! Patient and clear with her explanations.
@forrestmorrisey9 ай бұрын
This is a really great instructional series. Well thought out and executed. As a former educator, I really admire Alice's teaching style of guiding the learner while allowing them room to explore.
@TLauriks2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I've seen loads and loads of instruction video's and I can honestly say I understood way more from this video than from 95% of other video's. Thanks a lot! I liked the clear instructions and specially the added reasons of doing or not doing something in a specific way.
@marknugent77162 жыл бұрын
Amazing 3 videos Alice has such a nice way of teaching always on the ball respect
@ruby_tzbro Жыл бұрын
You are doing such an excellent job on every video. Everything is clear, logical and pragmatic. Thank you for making these! Greetings from France
@polymangler2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm loving all the clear and safe instruction. This is one of the best online resources I've seen for learning the concepts of trad climbing. thank you for creating these.
@Greebstreebling11 ай бұрын
I started climbing in 1981. I've done a fair bit and been on a few stances with belays which were a single manky nut in a crack, or a sling hooked over something that'll only work if the rope pulls in a particular direction - a 'don't fall off' belay. Those are in the minority and it's good to learn how to do things properly, saves bad dreams in later life... :)
@GeorgiaSender Жыл бұрын
What a great video! Alice explained the "why" very well. Plus she showed how to build an anchor with a sling or the rope. Im the climber that builds the clove without doubling back to a carabiner on my harness. Not anymore. It really is the little things that make life so much better! lol
@jackhuxley6788 Жыл бұрын
The best explanation of top rope anchors and belaying I've found
@onthetrail2022 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed these videos, me and my partner tried some Trad in North Wales earlier this year and now I’m just inching to get back out!
@nigelmtb2 жыл бұрын
Itching??
@mitchellbaker4806 Жыл бұрын
She is such a good teacher.
@tacul93332 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I've been climbing for 35+ years, and I learned something from watching.
@andycloquet Жыл бұрын
Clear, simple, well explained and engaged the Second in ‘doing.’
@damienmcgovern5687 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely class videos Alice. I have been collecting climbing youtube instructional videos for a few years, as I only climb intermittently, and need a wee coaching refresher from time to time. This series of videos are the best I have seen! Thanks so much from doing them, fantastic resource to have available.
@mattbaker16832 жыл бұрын
I watched to the end to see what methods you use to get more out of your sling but it didn't happen! I have seen the clove hitch method and an inline overhand method, both of which would effectively turn the 2x cams into one piece and give a V (rather than a W) to make the masterpoint. What is your preference on this? And of course the shelf method with no masterpoint gives a bit extra to play with, but doesn't work with 3 independent pieces. All in all a very good video, up there with the best online content. One thing not mentioned (I know, the video has to have a limit) is that placing multiple pieces in one crack system is OK but needs thought, especially multiple cams which produce a lot of outward force when loaded, so make absolutely sure it is solid rock.
@dmmclimbing812 жыл бұрын
Hey - Alice here. Thanks for the feedback, all your points are correct; the additional topics that you have mentioned here are covered in the next few episodes! So keep an eye out and you should see all of this in the next films.
@tonydickson1489 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, clear, effective instruction 👍🏼👍🏼 super solid
@uttley236 ай бұрын
amazing teacher! loving these vids...thank you!
@marcelorofer2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing series, thank you!!
@eliza_222 жыл бұрын
Awesome instructional video. TY
@marcchrys11 ай бұрын
Very clear instructional video. Though I must say when I first started climbing in 1980, I never used 3 belay anchors...we generally were fine with one (!)...I recall a gripping experience on Cemetery Gates when my friend fell off when seconding, and I was 150ft up, crouched down very low on a tiny ledge, trying to ensure the rope I had wrapped over a small projecting rock didn't roll off...luckily it held!
@grimlund7 ай бұрын
Me and a friend of mine were in Norway the last summer climbing multipitch. I mostly did 2 belay anchors if I recall right. I think two really good pieces of gear is enough and its saving a bit of time to. And I dont use screw carabiners on the anchor points. I think Its overkill but thats just me.
@user-yv2ej3zd2k9 ай бұрын
Where is the master point that your second clips into on the rope built anchor when they have finished the pitch - would you clip them to the HMS (9:16)
@trockstar3039 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you. Your voice sounds like Sam from Foyles War!
@mikaelwerner12 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@iluvatar42447 ай бұрын
Really enjoy the way you teach. Fabulous anchor setting. Even tho in Germany we belay a little different from the top. Tried your way as well, can't start liking it tbh. But solid vid overall
@nigelmtb4 ай бұрын
How is it different, if that's not a question with a crazy long answer?
@user-kf3mk1uy1z Жыл бұрын
Great ,learning belay...
@mensongg23 күн бұрын
Rastafari! 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲 Here mi now. Here mi now. Jaaaaaaaah!
@kd5nrh2 ай бұрын
1:48 "number...blue" Must be some special Welsh numbers. I wonder how quickly their kids learn to count to orange.
@highdesertbiker5 ай бұрын
Basically you gotta put the right gear in the right crack
@beatagraczer18972 жыл бұрын
Another very informative video, thank you. 😊 What is the reason for clipping the HMS carabiner and belay plate into the rope loop and not the belay loop?
@risesummit51702 жыл бұрын
The rope is dynamic, belay loop isn't
@nikolakolaric872 жыл бұрын
The reason is that in case of second falling, weight of climber would go on to your hips and legs if you are belaying from b.loop. If you belay from rope loop that weight of second climber will go directly to the anchor
@beatagraczer18972 жыл бұрын
@@nikolakolaric87 Thank you, this makes so much sense!
@dmmclimbing812 жыл бұрын
Hi, Alice here! As Nikola has mentioned, by using the rope loop, the rope system has more dynamism in at, as well as the load of the second bypassing the climber to the anchor, rather than loading the climber first, which makes it much comfier and safer for the belayer if the second weights the system. If the second does fall and you are belaying with the belay loop (not the rope loop), then the harness is pulled in both directions (towards the anchor and the climber), putting enormous strain on the belay loop. As well as this, if you ever need to escape the system, it is easier to begin this process if the second is not clipped directly to your harness.
@beatagraczer18972 жыл бұрын
@@dmmclimbing81 Hi Alice! Thank you very much for explaining it. 😊
@pauldalhaimer4372 Жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to have a list of all the equipment in these "Learning to Trad Climb" videos?
@mattclinton5351 Жыл бұрын
This instructor is excellent. Does she have a channel?
@hoppy19702 жыл бұрын
Shadow HMS for 3 x clove hitch skinny ropes, Boa HMS for 10mm rope.
@dmmclimbing812 жыл бұрын
Hey - Alice here. The Shadow HMS is safe to use with 3 clove hitches as long as the rope is 9.5mm or below. If you are using a thick rope, the best thing to do is to add another locking carabiner to your harness and pop the additional clove hitches on that to save too much rope in any carabiner :)
@hoppy19702 жыл бұрын
@@dmmclimbing81 Hi Alice. 6 strands of 10mm is 3mm wider than 6 strands of 9.5mm. The Boa is 6mm wider than the Shadow. Granted that does not necessarily mean an extra 6mm of room but 3 x10mm clove hitches fit fine on a Boa.
@AnonymousOtters Жыл бұрын
@@hoppy1970 Practically no one climbs on 10mm ropes anymore
@hoppy1970 Жыл бұрын
@@AnonymousOtters Can you provide the data for UK climbers' preferred rope diameter please?
@fleaz49847 ай бұрын
@@AnonymousOttersmaybe not in the UK but plenty of climbers in the states do. Our deserts are harsh on gear
@Salmontemaki6 ай бұрын
At the very end when she belays the hypothetical follower, seems like the atc is only attached to her bight and not her belay loop… is this good practice?
@nigelmtb4 ай бұрын
Yes it is but it's optional. The idea is that if the climber falls, the rope loop and the anchor takes all the weight, with none of it transferred to you directly. Entirely your choice.
@logiconabstractions65962 жыл бұрын
Nice to properly aim instructions to beginners, but also mention other options when relevant (e.g. 2 pieces of gear might do, non-locking carabiners can be fine too, etc). Sometimes we get a bit dogmatic about these during instructions I feel like - and then you end up with lots of climbers thinking it's a cardinal sin to build a 2 piece anchor. I really do see value in beginner instruction that provide safe "default" mode of operations (e.g. 3 pieces, screwgates), but also mention judgment calls & implications.
@dmmclimbing812 жыл бұрын
Hey - Alice here. Thanks for your comment and you're correct, 2 pieces of gear can be enough for a belay. We cover using 2 pieces in later videos, and mention that it is up to the climber to make sure that they are happy with their belay and that is sufficient to keep themselves and their second safe.
@edwinxu6291 Жыл бұрын
I learnt everything in the Italian way and it is so different. One quick question: I just wonder while belaying the second, should it be considered a better way if we use the guide mode of the reverso?
@michaelkork6773 Жыл бұрын
That way is assisted braking which I would argue is more inherently better. Also, when belaying from the top with a reverso in quite mode you can use a belay method that keeps a hand always on the brake strand, much safer than what she did
@jeffreyschmidt3997 Жыл бұрын
If the leader were to fall off the ledge while backing up and adjusting the clove before it was tightened, wouldn't the loose clove hitch most likely fail to prevent the fall?
@logiconabstractions65962 жыл бұрын
Is it a UK thing to be making the cloves hitches with the rope on your own HMS, as opposed to the cloves being on the carabiner that is on each of the 3 pieces? The way I've always been doing it (north america) is to clove onto each piece, as opposed to myself. Seems roughly equivalent.
@ReubenStrickett2 жыл бұрын
It just allows you to adjust and equalise the anchor more easily from where you want to belay, rather than adjusting at each of the gear. Makes things easier especially if the gear is out of arm’s reach from the belay.
@sspogTube2 жыл бұрын
This is an 'out of reach' approach all adjustment can be done when you are away from you anchors, its typical in UK trad for anchors to be spread out. I'm not an instructor but I guess this is a really good first bealy to build as it will work in many situations.
@dmmclimbing812 жыл бұрын
Hi - Alice here! The 2 replies above are correct! We use the clove hitch on our harness to allow us to safely adjust the tightness for our anchor points without having to return to the gear, something we always want to be able to do when our anchor is out of reach (the belayer cannot reach the gear from where they intend to belay). If you are using the rope to attach to more than 1 anchor point each (eg. a 3 point anchor with a single rope), we need to put at least 2 of the clove hitches on our harness to allow us to clip the next piece of gear. If we are climbing with double ropes, and have 2 good pieces of gear within reach of where we intend to belay, it is common practice to clove hitch one rope directly into the 1st piece of gear and one into the other, as you describe in your comment. Basically, it all depends on where the gear is, where you want to belay from, and how many ropes you are using to climb with! Hope that helps :)
@logiconabstractions65962 жыл бұрын
@@dmmclimbing81 Interesting, learning things everyday. I don't remember too many belays where gear was all that far - but then maybe if I had know this approach it would have made live easier in some instance. I'll probably try it out next time I'm out, always nice to have more arrows in your quiver.
@paulhyland7637 Жыл бұрын
great set of vids as always, just one comment though, at the beginning you stated you are going to create a 3 point anchor, when at that point, if it was your first time there, you may have found that a 2 point anchor worked.
@samshorto543310 ай бұрын
Why would you create a two point anchor when you can create a three?
@paulhyland763710 ай бұрын
@@samshorto5433 coz if two is good why complicate things!
@user-ky4jp8jf2p2 жыл бұрын
Overcammed holds just fine, but yes it can get stuck and that yellow placement is not def not ideal...
@grimlund7 ай бұрын
And you dont want to leave cams because they are stuck. They are pretty expensive.
@jonchase775218 сағат бұрын
I know the gear works but I always get so stressed putting my life in the hands of a small piece of metal
@kiefekiefe95422 жыл бұрын
An audio could be muchhh louder. Thanks
@johnrhodes33503 ай бұрын
Turn your volume up then 🤦
@hotbeefo2 жыл бұрын
No audio?
@steventhaw37652 жыл бұрын
For the most Efficient, Strongest,, and SAFEST anchor, Add clove hitches to the anchor points and the master point instead of an over hand knot!!!
@WeiYuanTzeng2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the setup for Belaying from the anchor. Correct me if I am wrong. You are the part of the system, but you will have hard time getting out of system when something happen or need to do self rescue.
@risesummit51702 жыл бұрын
Wei, you are able to escape the system here, with the use of a sling. Best book yourself onto a rope rescue course.
@WeiYuanTzeng2 жыл бұрын
@@risesummit5170 I took a self rescue class with an IFMGA instructor. My question is from the video, she is locked into the master point to her rope tie-in loop and the ATC is also on the same rope. When the ATC is loaded, how can she get out of it without untie the figure 8?
@keiranw11012 жыл бұрын
@@WeiYuanTzeng kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNlhgrVlt9_Hlok.html Hey mate. Check out this series by JB Mountain Skills. Answers all of your questions and more. They often do things differently in the UK than other countries, but all safe and sound.
@alecbaker11262 жыл бұрын
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@oscarpalm81422 жыл бұрын
Correct! You should always use a belay device that has guide mode at the top of the anchor.
@oscarpalm81422 жыл бұрын
It's a good guide. But I don't like how you are teaching them to use that type of belay device to the top of the anchor. You should always use a belay device with guide mode on it. so if a climber takes a fall, it's not attached so close to you and there is no risk for injury. Otherwise good video
@simonperrett46022 жыл бұрын
If you’ve built your belay with the rope guide mode would be awkward to use
@simonperrett46022 жыл бұрын
Also if you’re on a small belay ledge guide mode would also be a bit of a pain!
@matsr_22792 жыл бұрын
There are risks with guide mode belaying that require more thought such as lowering and cross loading with multiple seconds, this use of the belay device with the rope is excellent for beginners as an out-of-reach belay setup with belay device on rope loop can be used in any senario whereas guide mode requires more thought and care. It also translates nicely from gym climbing as shown in the video.
@oscarpalm81422 жыл бұрын
@@matsr_2279 that was one of the good things I saw that it's a good way if a person needs to be lowered 👍👍
@dmmclimbing812 жыл бұрын
Hi Oscar, Alice here. It looks like your query has been sorted in the comments below, and I have answered a similar question above if you wanted to take a look at the answer there too. As a general answer though, there are so many different scenarios that we are faced with when we are trad climbing, and different techniques are the right ones to use at different times; it all comes down to the climbers knowledge, judgement and the gear that they are using. I hope this helps!