All you have to do is put a small magnet in the multiforce and you can use regular bits. If you do the same for the extention, it makes it feel amazing. I picked up 2 small stacks for $6 and I had a replacement for a screwdriver that had a magnet break out of it. For $6 and I have enough for so many applications, also to be used on my fridge, I couldn't be happier. Leatherman does have great bits but I don't have the extra bits and they are currently sold out, the last time I looked at least. I have star, square, slotted, phillips, hex, and a socket bits that I have from my screwdriver set and I can use them with my multiforce, with a .25 cent magnet, cause I have 25 magnets and with tax, they equal to .25 cents each. The bits hold so good that you have to really pull to get them out. They hold screws so much better that I am thinking about putting those magnets in my extensions for my drill and impact driver. I owe this magnet find to Ozark cause I wouldn't have tried these magnets out, if it wasn't for this multiforce hack. I went to my hardware store and explained what I wanted and the guy threw one in and we were both trying it out. They are just 6X2mm magnets. I didn't even glue it, they went in and they are not coming out. They are stuck. 😆
@michaelmoser2200 Жыл бұрын
Yep I carry a Multi Force in my Blue Denim Cut, and a Wave in my Black Denim Cut, this video inspired me to get the Multiforce and it is a good tool, every Biker should carry a tool (at the least) its mando for my crew, kinda like Uniform of The Day, Hooyah
@marvinhanson69424 жыл бұрын
What I did for the bit with my multiforce is I tossed the bit it came with went to Michaels crafts store bought a pack of 1/4" × 1/8" thick magnets you get 6 for $5 put too inside the bit holder problem solved. now I can use any bit I want even sockets options are endless. Not so with the Leatherman I never liked those flat bit I do like my Leathermans though. Good video.
@robertmills49803 жыл бұрын
You know you also have the option of a Leatherman extension which does accept 1/4" bits
@marvinhanson69423 жыл бұрын
@@robertmills4980 your right I'm just not sure how well that implement of the tool will hold up if you had to crank on it, I carry an old wave at work and a charge for normal carry but the multiforce is a value for the money and if I need to crank on something and it breaks it won't hurt so much lol, take care.
@chimchu3232 Жыл бұрын
@@marvinhanson6942 fair enough, I'm sticking with my leatherman though. I don't use it hard enough to worry about breaking it, and even if it does its covered under the warranty
@DerekZimmer2 жыл бұрын
I’ve used both Leatherman and Victorinox warranty’s. They are both excellent. No questions ask. The tools came back to me fixed, cleaned, and even improved in other areas than when I sent them.
@usernameisusername Жыл бұрын
If they are so great why are they breaking
@matth612854 жыл бұрын
This is the best review for the Wave+ that ive come across, even though its a comparison video. Seeing real world examples along with opinions and commentary is helpful to a large degree.
@YourDadVR2 жыл бұрын
I had a Leatherman for over 10 years. The screw driver bit always fell out, & disappeared. I completely abandoned that part of my Leatherman after the 3rd replacement. I had to do 2 warranty repairs for broken needle nose. Then last month I dropped it in the sand while cutting some barb wire. I watched it fall out of my hand & disappear in the sand. I searched for my Leatherman for 3 to 4 hours, & I never found it. That Leatherman has so more sentimental value I couldn’t bring myself to replace it. I still visit the area where I lost it, & I look for it at least once a week. I’ll never stop looking for it. I had no idea how much that Leatherman meant to me until I lost it. In mean time I’m gonna try this Ozark Multiforce. It feels like a good quality tool thus far, but we’ll see how she holds up.
@makoygaara Жыл бұрын
Woah same sad feeling I had after I lost my 97 Super Tool. I'm waiting for my Gen 2 Wave to be shipped next week. I can only afford second hand Leatherman and I won't worry banging it up.
@tangstamp2 жыл бұрын
This is the most thorough, fair, complete, and clear comparison video I have ever seen. I am especially impressed by the fact you’ve put the Multiforce and the Wave head to head. I love my Multiforce and I believe it truly compares fairly with the Wave for the price. Thank you so much!
@andrewfarnsworth71783 жыл бұрын
Double ended ball detent bits are actually fairly common in 11 in one screw drivers like the ones I use in electrical work, klein, milwaukee, dewalt, and others so at least in my case that is actually sort of a plus.
@CF5422 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for a multitool for a family member for their first one and I think this Ozark Trail is a good compromise of features to Price. I can't be certain how much they'll actually use a multitool, so the Ozark is a seemingly good option.
@chimchu3232 Жыл бұрын
It's a great idea for an infrequent user, or as a backup to keep in your car
@Northanteus3 жыл бұрын
As for the driver on the Multiforce, you can just buy 6mm by 2mm magnets on Amazon and put them in the bottom of the driver to hold the bits in place.
@andrewfotopoulos7766 Жыл бұрын
I have the multi force, and I agree. For the price I paid, I get a better bang for my buck, period.
@craigmooring20912 жыл бұрын
Viewing this video 11 months later, I have some other comments. First, this is a very thorough and very helpful comparison. A lot of thought has gone into it, and I think anyone getting ready to get a mid-sized multitool would be very well served by this comparison. In fact, I think you ought to consider how you could develop your spreadsheet comparison for sale. However, I don't agree with the way you get your final total, and that may be because different people will weight different aspects of the comparison differently. As I see it, you have rated 4 different aspects of a multitool, here. One aspect is Tools Quality - everything from the first item through 'magnifying glass'. The second aspect is Usability - ease of use, ergonomics, and rust resistance. The third aspect is Cost Factor - price and warranty. The fourth is weight. I could still use your spreadsheet pretty much as is, but I would score two of those aspects differently. When it comes to weight, I don't think it makes much sense to deduct one point for every ounce of weight. Surely the best weight for a multitool is not 0 ounces! In fact, when comparing full-sized multitools, right out of the box, I automatically downgrade one that isn't as hefty as my SuperTool (at least at the outset) because that means it has more empty space that the maker could have filled with more substantial tools. Likewise, it is unrealistic to think that the best multitool would cost nothing. Personally, I think I would make the Wave the standard for weight in its class, and subtract a point per ounce of variance in either direction. In this case, the Ozark would lose a point for the ounce difference. Or a formula based on the Tools Quality total ratio, in this case (72:70)x1oz. would still be one point. As far as price is concerned, in this case, I'd be tempted to subtract 1 point for each $10 of difference, but a fairer approach, involving some research would be to average the price of units with comparable tools in the same size class from reputable sources to compare to. In that case, the Ozark might add a point or two while the Wave would probably lose a few. As for the warranty, you haven't really quantified it, and as you implied individuals' situations would weigh in. The Vic warranty may be more of a selling point to Europeans than us. At my age, a 25-year warranty is likely to be a lifetime + warranty and I have no progeny so how big a deal is it?
@MrBluesluver3 жыл бұрын
First of all, I have a wave, so I know it is a good tool. For this video, I think the MultiForce actually is the better value buy. Your test shows it at about half to 2/3 the quality of the Wave, but is close to $60.00 less than the Wave. Very informative video. Thank you. BTW, I've carried the Gerber 600 pro for a little over 25 yrs and it is my prefered tool because I like the quick access to the pliers, which is the tool I use most.
@TangomanX20083 жыл бұрын
This is interesting. It looks like Ozark Trail has improved a lot. My first multitool was an Ozark trail multitool and it was a piece of trash. It look like their multitool are now rivaling Leatherman multitools. It looks like Learherman has encountered an "Innovators Dilemma" scenario and is in danger of losing market share to a new entrant.
@poolboy22v3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm putting together an edc pouch as a Christmas gift for an old friend but I wasn't able to afford a wave to put in it. I just picked up the multiforce instead as an alternative thanks to your video.
@bilakos19874 жыл бұрын
To even compare the Ozark Trail to the Wave Plus speak volumes in regards to the potential of the Ozark Trail. The Wave is a staple in the multi-tool world, and a standard to which every other similar-sized multi-tool has been compared for a long, long time. Granted, the Multiforce is 'inspired' by the Wave's design, but even then, the fact that its features may barely lose, match, or ever exceed the Wave's, that is truly significant. The Wave's pattern has expired, and Leatherman has to accept the clones, knock-offs, and copies that will adopt the design. Maybe Leatherman should follow the competitors' example, and adopt some different designs and features, but put their craftsmanship, quality, and warranty behind, to offer some new multi-tools that will get the market excited. Another great video, Ben. I am happy to see your channel grow. Keep up the excellent work, and I am looking forward to more comparisons and reviews from you.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very, and as always, thank you for watching.
@profd654 жыл бұрын
The Ozark Trail Multiforce is a shameless, brainless ripoff. I think only the Chinese could rival its total lack of originality. I guess you'd rather reward and encourage imitation than originality. But some people do prefer the American Idol version to the original.
@Noble_Isaac2 жыл бұрын
What a detailed, thoughtful and professional review. Thank you! I have the Wave+ and will purchase the Ozark for my dad.
@myvideos27154 жыл бұрын
A very good review and comparison. Leatherman has a lot of competition out there. The 25 year warranty will be the big seller. I broke my Leatherman years ago. It was replaced free of charge including postage...no questions asked!
@thediscombobulationzonecov69724 жыл бұрын
Ok, here goes. Great review, agree in almost every area. To get bits for the multi Force go to amazon and look for the Tacklife 16 in 1 screw driver which has included 8 double sided ball retention bits. $12.00 The pocket clip that comes free with the multiforce and the extender adds to the product value wise so either is should be in the ergonomics or somehow added to the overall value in some manner. Basically ( tonge in cheek moment here) your telling me that a $37 dollar tool is 6 points less then a $100 dollar tool. Yep, I can buy 3 multi forces for every wave. That’s a warranty feature right there. Wave is my favorite multi tool. Gerber 600 bladeless is my most carried multi tool. The multiforce is my gift to everyone in the family because 15 -$37 gifts is easier then 15 -$99 gifts. And ozark trails much better then nothing or another way is ozark trails multiforce is 93% of leatherman wave in abilities at 1/3 the price. Thx for the review, awesome job! Ball detention bits not retention bits, have to remember that!!! 🥴
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
That’s a great find on that screwdriver with ball detention bits. Thank you for that. You’re right about adding a bit of value to the Multiforce because of pocket clip and extension. I should have given it an additional two points for those features. I feel like the Ozark Trail offers a lot of value. Pains me to admit to that being a Leatherman fan. It will definitely be appealing to a great number of people, on price alone. It says something that this tool rates as highly as it does in my personal opinion. Which would I choose? I still lean to the Wave. Mostly for the file, saw, and knife blades. I also have extensive experience with the build quality of Leatherman tools. It is hard to argue that the Multiforce does not have a high quality to price ratio. It is a surprisingly good multi tool.
@thediscombobulationzonecov69724 жыл бұрын
1 additional thought, possibly down the road. I would like to see a comparison of sub $50 multi tools. Gerber suspension nxt as a example. It may not be a fair comparison as the Multiforce compares to $100 dollar tools but it would make fair comparisons dollar for dollar! Looking forward to your next video sir! Lots of work to do this, I have tried and still hope to try again in the future. There are no wrong opinions just different viewpoints and different needs. You have my highest respect in the quality of video and quantity of excellent information in a entertaining method! Thx
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very, that’s quite humbling.
@thisguy26594 жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s true what you said about price, but you can easily buy used wave (last gen) between $35-$50. At that point I’d take the used wave. I really wish the multi force would have been around $30
@thediscombobulationzonecov69724 жыл бұрын
This Guy, the wave is my favorite tool by quite a bit. Maybe if I had the surge it would compete for that top spot. I purchased the better sheath, extender and 2 clip bit set for the wave. In the extra pocket I have the olight I3t 180 lumen flashlight. With this set I feel I can handle any small daily task that comes up including many auto repair issues on the road. It is a awesome tool. But as a gift or first time user you have to purchase the extra extender for the used wave, unless it is already there. Buy the sheath to hold the extender. I’m not going to mention pocket clip or extra bits as I carry in a sheath and extra bits for either choice is a extra expenditure. This is all added expense and effort that a average buyer probably will not go through. The 2 of us will, which is why we like the wave. Most people buy and be done with it so the greatest package available to the first time consumer is the best. Then when they are hooked they can upgrade. The ozark trails with its flaws and a few improvements is a solid first purchase for a average consumer which they won’t wear out its tools and this may just sit in a glove box for that occasional use. You are correct a gen 2 wave is better. I debate if a average consumer will make that purchase over a new product. And, I picked up my 15 sets at 25% off so it after taxes was less then $30. It was my one time a year purchase at Walmart after Black Friday when I get everything off at -25%. Lol So I agree with you for a informed customer a used wave is best. I just have a different viewpoint and opinion on a first time or average customer.
@roy-batty3 жыл бұрын
You can drop a couple of magnets in that Ozark 1/4 driver so regular bits can fit in there snuggly.
@txtoolcrib3 жыл бұрын
Seems a lot of people have done just that, thanks for the insight.
@Jimbobburrito2 жыл бұрын
Or use Klein bits
@rafaeldiaz004 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't trade a LM for an Ozark no matter what! Great video, as usual. Thank you very much for taking the time to provide us with all the information.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I completely understand where you’re coming. I’m also a big Leatherman fan.
@cranstonsnord43344 жыл бұрын
Great review! I agree with most of what you said about both tools. I own two Waves, the original and a 2nd generation model. I also own 2 of the Ozark Trails tools. The Ozark Trail is the best multitool Walmart has ever offered under their name by far. It is a great tool for the money. It is not made with the same quality of the Leatherman, but it cost lest than half the price. I like the driver on the Ozark Trail better than the Leatherman actually. You can use standard 1/4 bits in it. All you have to do is put a small button magnet inside of the driver on the tool (Not the extension) and any standard bit will fit in and stay. With the magnet in the driver, you can use a standard 1/4 inch extension, and then use standard bits. A lot of people seem to be calling the OT a clone, and it is not. While there are some similarities obviously, it is not an exact replica, which is what a clone is. Anyhow, I would not use this as replacement for a Wave if I needed a tool that I was going to abuse and use real hard, but for everything else, for what I use these things for it has been working great!
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@joetrump98734 жыл бұрын
Another great video..and I appreciate how you always answer comments. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I don’t know about a scholar. I’m just a guy with quite a bit of real use experience with multi tools and tools that wants to help people make informed decisions about what fits their needs the best.
@phillipdavis15333 жыл бұрын
I've had Leatherman sense the first year they were offered to the public, I love it! A true life saver. 😁👍✝️🇱🇷
@txtoolcrib3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more.
@haywoodf4 жыл бұрын
Really impressively comprehensive competitive review. Thanks for your efforts in setting up the criteria, tests and then for sharing. FWIW - minor comment(s) Totally justified final BenScore result. Plain blades - Plus for Ozark Multiforce are it has a sharpening choil and extra belly in profile.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Turned out to be more work than I had anticipated.
@haywoodf4 жыл бұрын
@@txtoolcrib Yeah ... that's what I thought too when I saw the vid length. Trail blazing does have that quality. Whilst I'm on my milk crate ... so what is the final score called ? ... A BenScore? After all, you earned it. Thanks again.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
heywoodf I think I’ll stick with the TX Tool Crib Total, or Tool Crib Total.
@haywoodf4 жыл бұрын
@@txtoolcrib Fair enough. :-)
@DDDYLN2 жыл бұрын
I'm so old, I only have the original Leatherman Wave. I might buy this Ozark Trail to supplement the features that are lacking on the original Wave.
@fatmangaming27202 жыл бұрын
The Victorinox warranty for the states, is stellar. I sent two knives to be repaired by Victorinox, their customer service told me exactly which facility to ship my knives too. They only charge $5 bucks to cover return shipping cost. They repaired everything I asked them too, they even fashioned a new blade for my Victorinox Solo, which they made a clip point blade for it, instead of the classic spear point. They returned both knives with all the original parts that had been replaced. Overall they took really good care of me and my knives.
@mytoolbox8712 жыл бұрын
Absolutely great video and explanation, saw those today at Wal-Mart and was wondering how they perform. Thanks for the video.
@gopherstate7773 жыл бұрын
First off, great job. You really broke things down with great explanations. However, I would add three things. With the addition of a small battery the Multiforce now can hold regular bits, not the half bits only on a Leatherman. Second, total cost of ownership. You are going to pay more for a pocket clip, a bit extension and I feel a good sheath for the Leatherman as I really like the sheath on the Multiforce. Adding these up increases the $99 price on the Leatherman considerably. And third, you may be able to buy three Multiforce tools back to back (got mine for $32) to one Wave for a total of 15 years of warranty overall. I believe the Wave original to be the best overall in utility, but not as good as my Swiss tool. If you have a Multiforce there is no reason to go out and spend $100 + on a Wave. Unless you need that 4 point can opener really bad!
@txtoolcrib3 жыл бұрын
All very good points!
@FarmassR64 жыл бұрын
Awesome honest comparison Ben. I actually went out and bought two ozark trails for my dad and neighbor for Christmas because they alway comment on my wave +. The bit that comes with the ozark is trash but will be easily remedied. One thing I disagree with in your assesmnent is the ergonomics of the wave being higher than the ozark trail. Any wave user has probably experiences the Wave Pinch, where the back of the outside tools pinch the palm of your hand. It can be quite painful especially if the pliers slip off their bite. I dont see that being possible with the OT and that alone would have it on par with the wave for ergonomics. I would give the OT a slight hit in I wish the main blade wasn't on the leg of the pocket clip. Thanks for the inspiration on the original video as you made two old men happy with their new multitool.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
You’re quite welcome. I can understand completely your rationale for the ergonomics. That is kind of why I wanted to set this chart up, because I know other will likely see things differently than I do. It gives you the opportunity to see my reasoning for certain ratings, but allows viewers the tools to come up with their own ratings as well. I would be interested to know how you score them out. Thank you for taking the time to watch such a long video.
@timwingers2 жыл бұрын
Great Comparison video. The one real downfall the Multiforce has is it's bit driver, because it requires the bits with the ball in them, and they can be hard to find. I have friends who passed up the tool for that reason only. HOWEVER, before making a decision, check your toolboxes. I had a number of bits from tools my father had. I found multiple 2 inch long screwdriver bits including large sizes, a 3 inch long Philips bit that was ground into a marlinspike, a quarter inch socket adapter, and a full sized nail puller. For $38, with these attachments, and the included bit extender, the Multiforce wins hands down.
@AvilerED4 жыл бұрын
Caution, wall of text incoming :D Probably the most comfortable multi-tool I've ever used has been a Coast model I was gifted. It was an EDC for several years. Just recently had to retire it for at least a temporary bit as I think some of the uses I put the pliers to screwed up some of the screws holding it together. I've had a little bit of exposure to Leatherman MTs, and the ones I came into contact with were decidedly uncomfortable. Couldn't tell you models, though. And actually, up to having the Coast, everything I had tried (which was most definitely budget level stuff) was decidedly uncomfortable. Now, for this review, I thank you for taking the time to do the side by side comparison. I am still a budget level buyer, so given the closeness of most of the tool functionality, the budget pricing of the Multiforce definitely carries a bit more weight with me. And I'm willing to do a bit of modification to fix some of the issues for me that I see based on your evaluation. Been really liking your evaluations and analyses of various and assorted tools, decided I'd probably better subscribe with this one and stop depending on your videos showing up in my recommendations :D
@stephen414673 жыл бұрын
This is a great comparison video Ben. I would pick the Wave over the Ozark because of quality control, warranty and a much better file. eBay usually has new Wave+ available for around $70 as well.
@txtoolcrib3 жыл бұрын
I would stick with the Wave too, but they are certainly giving Leatherman a run for their money on this one.
@scullkrusher2 жыл бұрын
I have the Wave (2nd gen) and have used it alot. I still carry it everyday and don't even feel the need to upgrade to the plus model lol. That being said the Ozark isn't that bad especially when thinking about cost and diminishing returns. The Wave is roughly double the price but overall is only slightly better than the Ozark. Nothing against Leatherman. I think alot of it comes down to USA production vs China. So there's pride of ownership and supporting Ameeican jobs too. It's kinda like with pocket knives. Is the $100 knife going to be 5 times better than the $20 knife? Probably not but it is still slightly better. The Ozark might be good too for someone who isn't sure if they want to carry a "heavy" full size multitool and doesn't want to spend $100 on a Wave just to find out they don't like carrying it.
@CutleryNovice Жыл бұрын
Great review! I'd love to see your thoughts on the $16 Ozark Trail 15-in-1 multitool. I have one and have used it for a bit and, while it's not comparable to a Leatherman, I find it to be a great budget option!
@PaulLeach1234 жыл бұрын
1) AWESOME comparison and work setting the comparison up. 2) The needle nose pliers comparison was a dead heat, but you added fit and finish into the grading instead of just performance so put the wave ahead 3) two of the comparisons the multiforce you said was slightly better but you still called them even. 4) you didn’t factor into the screw driver that the multiforce CAME with the extension. If you had compared strait out of the package, the wave would not have had an extension and it should have affected the score
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Looking back, I may need to adjust that score. I think I agree with you.
@donniewade76304 жыл бұрын
American labor and made with all in house parts. No questions asked 25 year warranty compared to their 5 year limited warranty. So for the next 25 years the Leatherman will cost you $100. The next 25 years the Ozark Trail could cost you $200 if you had to replace it every 5 years after the warranty runs out. Quality up front costs money folks but saves money in the long run.
@DefMunkyYT4 жыл бұрын
I have nothing against cheap multitools, but having 5 times the warranty at a little over double the price pushes the Wave ahead for me. As far as that goes, Gerber sent me a brand new Suspension because my old one (over 12 years old) was missing a screw, so I can testify to them standing behind theirs even at $27-ish when I bought mine. Even if they aren't great and I feel like a lot of their stuff is half-assed, I can't say too much bad about a company that at least takes care of its customers. lol Warranty definitely has a lot to do with justifying the price for something like a Leatherman or Victorinox. I think it's cool that the discontinued Blast I bought is still under warranty. There is a lot to be said for Leatherman aside from just talking price. You're basically buying an heirloom.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
A lot of good points.
@kukuri0074 жыл бұрын
I’ve never had a problem with rust on any of my Leatherman tools in the twenty five years I’ve owned and used them.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I have on some of the models I don't use on a regular basis.
@steliosgavrielides85664 жыл бұрын
mine developed some surface rust as well. it depends on the climate and conditions you store them as well.
@kukuri0074 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the warrenty covers this? Probably a stupid question. Haha
@steliosgavrielides85664 жыл бұрын
@@kukuri007 I dont believe warranty covers rust, however, you can use some oil and anything slightly abrasive to remove it, its usually quite easy to do. Not a big deal in my view.
@joshuafrick87643 жыл бұрын
Move to Florida!
@larryduttry94002 жыл бұрын
When taking out the “tek” screw.. which looks like a # 8 x3/4 the ozaek trail would have dominated that with its socket minus the driver bit as that’s a 1/4” head. The leatherman doesn’t have that option and it’s the most common sheet metal screw size. Of course you could put the adapter on the wave and it also could do that.. but adapters aside that’s one area the test could have been better. Using the standard slot on a screw with a 1/4” hex is not the best method.
@smithmal013 жыл бұрын
I was looking through your vids and didn't notice any video that specifically discussed how to break in a multi-tool or maintain it. I just obtained my Multiforce and man was it a stiff bugger out of the package. I worked on it for 3-4 hours while cleaning and lubing it to loosen it up quite a bit. I was wondering what technique you use when breaking in a multi-tool and what products you use when doing so. Also, what is your procedure for maintaining your multi-tool? Thanks!
@sam3d4 жыл бұрын
$40 is a fair price for either of these tools, in the case of the wave, the other $60 you pay are for the brand and extended warranty. I have the second gen wave but paid $50 for it brand new from a person who sold it to me in its package, still have it, BTW those pliers bite you hand rally nasty when they slip off large screws, and also BTW I'm in Los Angeles, and its been 32 days since they received my wave for repair (lose plier) and I have not got it back yet... they send me the confirmation email 15 days after they had received it. just and FYI.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
That’s unusual.
@clintonbeckway41712 жыл бұрын
Great review I hope you do some more videos of tools soon, thank you! This is one of the best review videos I have ever seen on KZfaq well done, Please do some more reviews.
@jesusmejia39103 жыл бұрын
I'm buying a wave plus tomorrow. Once I saw that you can put a clip on it.. Ahhhhhh SOLD! I currently have an old Gerber suspension. I've broken one before this one. Gerber wouldn't warranty it. They said I used foe what it wasn't intended for. The only reason that I have another one, is because my son bought it for me for my birthday, when he was like 13. He had to mow a few lawns to buy it, so that's why I still have it. But a leatherman wave plus with a clip.. Thats what I need for my EDC. Also, I got a 50 dollar Lowes gift card for Christmas. Win win. Lol
@zone88483 жыл бұрын
if you want multiple multitools in different spots, such as, one in your bugout bag, one in your EDC kit, one in your table drawer, one in your locker, one in your car, one in your day bag, one in your nightstand... buying a dozen of these is a wiser choice.
@txtoolcrib3 жыл бұрын
I have been contemplating the idea of a bug out bag. Still on the fence.
@MarkRuslinzski4 жыл бұрын
I Ben Mark here I was just watching your video because Ione the wave plus and I recently picked up the Ozark Trail same model as you have and it seems pretty good but we all know what were you getting when you buy from a company like Leatherman so I'll stick with the Leatherman being that hi already on it I already bought one so why not keep it and use it but I also picked up the Ozark Trail model and this seems pretty good maybe I'll give it away to someone n.... it is what Thank you for your review and honesty ,it is much
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome sir. Thank you for watching.
@dannialgarcia3092 жыл бұрын
The workmanship on the leather man wave plus in on a different planet that most multi tools made. To compare a Ferrari to a mustang is a fool’s errand. I watched this just for a good laugh. Granted leatherman has made some duds with the free series but even those are far superior than Junkyard Trail. I’ve owned leather man gerber for decades.
@jeffslaven4 жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive comparison Ben. If I didn't already own a Wave, I'd be second glancing Ozark Trail.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very, and thanks for watching. This one got kind of long on me.
@Genesis9924 жыл бұрын
I’d agree with this pretty much completely. These comparison vids are shaping up to be pretty sweet
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
That’s a huge vote of confidence coming from you. Glad you liked it.
@luckylucky9006 Жыл бұрын
I like your videos and how you describe each brand & there functions I would love to see you show just how good all them are at cutting 4/0 & 5/0 hooks. So we can see just how good these brands pilers cutting power which is very very important. Thank you for your content.
@ocdgamer6030 Жыл бұрын
Thinking about getting the ozark but how well do they hold up over time?
@petermoto409 Жыл бұрын
Fuck the difference in price. These two are not a direct comparison. One is super high quality. The other is made in China. Leatherman - Made in USA Ozark - Manufacturer: Hangzhou GreatStar Industrial Tool Co
@Justice-fg8sd4 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this extended review. You made my day lots happier seeing those 2 fight it out. Love your videos and keep the vs series going 😁👍. I would rate he multiforce file a 1 for how uselss it is. I can jut imagine ozark trail watching yur video and taking notes on a revision 2 lol
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Well thank you very much, I hope others feel the same way. I doubt if multi tool manufactures give my humble little channel a second thought, maybe someday though.
@quentinham59084 жыл бұрын
@@txtoolcrib they (the multitool companies) absolutely should be paying attention to your channel! You directly influenced me into purchasing a leatherman surge and retiring my customized gerber mp600. I sincerely doubt im the only consumer you have influenced with your extremely thorough video reviews and over views. Keep up the good work dude! Much respect from a fellow texan in dfw!
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I really appreciate you saying that. Hopefully one day this little channel can grow into something. How is that Surge working out for you?
@quentinham59084 жыл бұрын
@@txtoolcrib its great! Im a commercial/residential electrician and i constantly find myself crawling around in the rafters where its very cramped and being able to drop my tool pouch and rock out with a FULL sized multitool is a real boon! I crack mc, ream emt, CUT emt (very rarely of course xb), bend brackets, smash knockouts, make joints, literally anything electrical in those cramped work spaces and this tool just eats it up! I dont even look at my mp600 or rebar anymore 😆!
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Quentin Ham That’s awesome. I love the Surge. It has always handled anything I’ve ever thrown at it. I would be absolutely lost without it on my hip.
@justinator10102 жыл бұрын
I've got multiple full tool kits depending on the job I go to but as I always tell folks the wave is my most used tool and I feel I got a nice deal the the leather pouch around 6 years ago
@Pharto_Stinkus3 жыл бұрын
Interesting side note, the Leatherman 1/4 inch driver is no longer listed as a "pry tool" in Leatherman literature (it used to be). I'm assuming its a liability thing. Of course it works fine as such, but the function isn't officially endorsed.
@txtoolcrib3 жыл бұрын
You’re probably right, might be a liability issue.
@michaelgross70162 жыл бұрын
Great review/overview. I dont exactly need it, since I have a Wave, a few Gerber 600s and a Gerber CenterDrive. But I got one anyway, and I'm impressed. It's well made and should hold up.
@barrelburger2 жыл бұрын
If you add the cost of the driver extension, the clip, and the recent price hike, the Wave is almost $150.00. Also, while the warranty may be longer for the Wave, nothing beats being able to walk into a store to do a quick exchange. Being able to use standard 1/4 inch bits with the Multiforce is a huge advantage and bits with a detent or that are magnetic are very easy to find and inexpensive. One other intangible thing is if my multitool is lost or stolen I'd rather lose $40 than $110. Thanks for the video, I didn't expect to see these tools match up so closely. I'm getting a Multiforce today!
@MrHellenas23 Жыл бұрын
Great review. Does the leatherman makes any multitool with an awl and a chisel? Awl is a must have for some situations, that nothing else works there. thanx
@irvingg.14374 жыл бұрын
wait, how do you downgrade the Multiforce for its ball pin bit? You called it proprietary but at least you can use a regular bit, although it might fall out. As for the wave, you have to use their bit system and you have no choice. Now thats a true propietary.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Although both are proprietary, Leatherman bits are more readily accessible. Though I did have one viewer that was able to find those types of bits in a cheap Chinese multi screwdriver. That was my reasoning.
@profd654 жыл бұрын
I downgrade the Multiforce because it's a shameless ripoff.
@realmetis80023 жыл бұрын
magnetize it perhaps
@Northanteus3 жыл бұрын
@@txtoolcrib As for the driver on the Multiforce, you can just buy 6mm by 2mm magnets on Amazon and put them in the bottom of the driver to hold the bits in place.
@Northanteus3 жыл бұрын
@@profd65 Whether it is or not, I as a buyer am one who doesn't see myself being smart to shell out over $150 (upgrades included) for one multitool. I'll probably be getting the Multiforce. It breaks? Oh no! I've got to spend a whopping $37 again? 😱 😉 If I'm spending over $100 for multitool purposes then I would probably just buy two or three Multiforce'. One on me, one in a survival / camping backpack ready to go, and one in the car, or somewhere else.
@ding1743 жыл бұрын
Given the price and overall usability AND the fact that it has a pocket clip, my money is on the Ozark. For my preferred method of carry, that pocket clip is a deal breaker. And I have Leatherman and victorinox tools. I would rather lose and replace the ozark for EDC. for evrything else though I reach for the victorinox.
@bereadyeveryday6764 Жыл бұрын
If it weren't for the pliers, the Multiforce would be a true contender. However, since mine broke the very first time I applied significant pressure to the tool, I just can't recommend it. The Flissa tool, however, is actually built more solidly. Let me know if you want to do a comparison on that.
@bushcraftingterranaut47554 жыл бұрын
The amazing thing about this video is you have me actually considering buying an Ozark Trail product.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
This is certainly the best Ozark Trail multi tool I have ever seen.
@sandy_knight2 жыл бұрын
I'd normally prefer the 'original' tool than a copy but when the original tool makes it unnecessarily difficult to service (i.e security/tamper-proof Torx) I'll always go for the more open/user serviceable option. If a well respected pliers company (i.e Knipex ;-) wanted to corner the multi-tool market they should release a modular multi-tool with open-source/license free specs. That opens up the market for add-on/alternative tools to competitors but it also builds brand awareness and encourages adoption of your base/core tool. It's similar to the software market (I'm thinking more Android than iPhone but still...) where most of the useful tools are developed by other companies but the core tool (the pliers, or in my bad analogy the operating system) will be much harder to replicate.
@WarRadish4 жыл бұрын
Nice. Just a pedantic little observation. 8.4 shouldn't round up to 9. According to convention, 0.5 rounds up and anything less should round down.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
That is definitely true. I didn’t want people to think I was being biased towards Leatherman. So I just decided to round all the weights up.
@craigmooring20913 жыл бұрын
When you turned them on edge, it was clear that the Multi-force saw blade was thinner at the teeth than the Wave's. I n fact it appeared to be uniformly thin from top to bottom, unlike the Wave's blade which has a thinner spine than kerf. That is why, I suspect, the Multi-force did not cut as smoothly.
@txtoolcrib3 жыл бұрын
I would agree.
@leatherman64953 жыл бұрын
Great review on the two multi tools. Longer than most videos, but well worth watching. Broken down, from my understanding, do you want to sacrifice quality, workmanship, and warranty to purchase a tool for half the price?
@Milkman42794 жыл бұрын
At $37 I bought a couple of them. One for my car and one for the wife's car. Not as good as a Wave, but close enough.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Cheap alternative for a "decent" tool.
@DarthSandalus3 жыл бұрын
Bro, this is the best comparison review I've ever seen! Anyway, I have an offtop question. I'm military, so a multitool is must-have. But in combat it's easy to loose or destroy it. So is Leatherman as a brand worth to invest or maybe better buy 3 multitools from Walmart and don't care about? Inb4 I have some big multitool for ca. $15 and it works well but not great, so I'm thinking about sth new or better
@huejanus55054 жыл бұрын
The multiforce (chinese I assume), have upped their game. Bit i'd still spend more for the reliability of a leatherman.
@Friendsshare4 жыл бұрын
Also leatherman has a lifetime warranty, everyone please remember that. It doesn't matter how long you've had it, you can always send it back for a replacement.
@donjames57613 жыл бұрын
@@Friendsshare not really a lifetime but a 25year . either way. i have both an the multiforce is my back up i have put it through hell. multiforce is worth every peny.
@Northanteus3 жыл бұрын
@@Friendsshare You can buy *THREE* Multiforce' for the price of *ONE* Leatherman. 😨 If my mutlitool ever got lost or stolen, I'm not going to feel too down since it was only $35. But over $130? Ouch...
@lefizz553 жыл бұрын
@@Northanteus It's 6.8 times the price here in Europe. I just bought a version of the multiforce off AliExpress for €22 a Wave here is about €150 on Amazon. Leatherman don't sell many units here and it's pretty easy to see why. The other issues is their "Budget" multitools are now expensive. I bought a wingman for €35 8 years ago, now they are €70. Literally pricing themselves out of the market they created. I have used them for over 20 years but honestly the Chinese have almost caught up and leatherman drastically need to look at their prices outside the US.
@Northanteus3 жыл бұрын
@@lefizz55 I agree and wondered what it could really be. Some say that being made in the U.S., workers demand more pay, thus Leatherman has to raise the price on their tools to make up for how much they spend. I'd guess that's one part of it, and maybe not the only reason why they're so expensive. If they're going to price them so high, they better add more items in the package, imo.
@smithmal013 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic comparative video. Very well done. When will you be releasing your scoring excel spreadsheet? The only question I have is that you indicated to get similar accessories for the LM Wave+ you'd need to spend $140 ($40 extra dollars to obtain the pocket clip, extension bar and storage sheath) vs. $40 for the Ozark Trail. Wouldn't that mean then that you would need to deduct 14 points rather than 10 from the Wave+? That would make the Wave+ only one point higher vs the Ozark Trail in your scoring system ;)
@AJHart-eg1ys2 жыл бұрын
I brought that up as well.
@AJHart-eg1ys2 жыл бұрын
At 71-66, the Multiforce would be a better value if we accept the rubric presented here. Obviously some of us weigh somethings more than others, but at least we have a starting point for discussion here. BUT ... didn't you have to buy another $40 worth of add-ons in the previous video in order for the Wave to have all of the things that the Multiforce came with? If we're including that, that would be another 4 points worth of deduction from the Wave, making the final score 67-66.
@davidsiegel98474 жыл бұрын
Victorinox has a US office, and a great warranty record in America. Even in tiny Israel, in Asia, we have a Victorinox representative. My oldest Victorinox and Leatherman are approaching 25 years. Wave, Supertool, and Swisstool. No more warranty soon on the Leatherman. SwissTool knives do not look as serious as Leatherman knives. But as a Victorinox user for over 50 years, they pass the test of useage. Yes the SwissTool blade looks like their pocket knife spear point. Yet it functions as well as the Leatherman blade. As a slicer, maybe better. So far never had to send back any Victorinox. Ozark may be seriously coming up in the MT world. If this tool proves both functional AND durable, then I'll bow to the Chinese manufacturer. They do make some good tools and knives these day. Thanks!
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I’m not trying to discredit Victorinox in any way. I think they make excellent tools. I do think it’s hard to argue that they make better knives than Leatherman does though. That being said, I understand completely where you were coming from. I don’t think just because something says China on it it is automatically bad. I have quite a few tools that are Chinese manufactured that are pretty good actually. It’s nice to see that they are kind of stepping up their game in the world of multi tools though.
@a.p.9803 жыл бұрын
Is Leatherman still making their multi tools (wingman/wave) in the US?
@C1418OS3 жыл бұрын
They're still proudly made in Portland, Oregon.
@antondovbush84894 жыл бұрын
I just purchased an Ozark multiforce. very good multi tool BUT closing the needle nose pliers, the pliers get stuck on the inside tools and u gotta mess around with it to close it. big annoying. also shieth sucks because the tool gets stuck on something when I try to pull it out every time. screwdriver on that thing is way better than the wave because u can buy a different extension bit for it that will take any driver bit, not jsut double sided one.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I’ve found that if you set the pocket clip facing down in the sheath it has less of a chance of catching on you. The part I don’t like about normal bits in this tool is that they will easily fall out. All in all, it’s a pretty good tool though.
@antondovbush84894 жыл бұрын
@@txtoolcrib BTW have you tried putting Leatherman bits into the Ozark trail to see if that works?
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t yet. I should do that.
@Genesis9924 жыл бұрын
TX Tool Crib the Leatherman flat bits fall out in the MultiForce, BUT(!) I have a bunch of tiny 3mmx3mmx1.5mm neodymium magnets. I dropped one into the base of the MultiForce and it holds Leatherman flat bits very well. Sooo, MultiForce with teeny magnets + Leatherman Bit Kit = a pretty neato solution. Plus even the price of the MultiForce plus the price of the Leatherman Bit Kit would still be a saving over a Wave without the bits.
@antondovbush84894 жыл бұрын
@@Genesis992 oh snap I thought about magnet solution too but didn't think they would make them so small. very good haha
@thomallom59062 жыл бұрын
00:29 Ozark Trail stole nothing. The Trademarks and Patents on the Leatherman Wave expired.
@jayn83922 жыл бұрын
So you never did a follow up? I am eying one of these for work mainly for the driver and plier functionality. I carry a separate fixed blade so the blades aren't as much of a thing. Just wondering things like if the pliers hold up and don't go out of alignment eventually with hard use. If anything has loosened up over time or if the wire cutters get dulled up really bad. I mainly just hate Leathermans propriety bits. I was thinking about getting the Gerber center drive for the awesome driver and having sprung pliers (even though I don't generally love Gerber), a wave, or even a skeletool as I mainly need drivers, pliers and a knife use in a pinch. Maybe a pry tool.
@TheTuneAce4 жыл бұрын
Im surprised how well the Ozark Trail tool performed. A real banger at $40. Puts the Gerber armber drive to shame. However, it's probably better to get a used Wave+ on ebay. Do some patient shopping and you can get a great deal.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I would shop for a used Wave personally, if cost is a concern. I think the Multiforce a decently good tool at a good price, but I still lean Leatherman in this case.
@SpaceDave30003 жыл бұрын
Interesting vid! Honestly, the wave should get a 1 for that crimping nonsense. It shouldn't have to get the extra help of playing with a different tool - which means it failed almost completely at doing what it's meant to do. To my surprise, I feel they're pretty much level, depending on the task and based on your testing. You completely ignored the pocket clip aside from mentioning it as a potential hotspot as well, which seemed odd as it's something that's definitely worth extra points for it's utility. All in all, Leatherman really need to start upping their game in the value department. Either drop the price considerably or increase the overall quality of the product materials while remaining at the same price. Either way, it was grim viewing for this leatherman fan.
@wizardsblade80864 жыл бұрын
Well done can't wait to see more.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@Peter-uh3gs3 жыл бұрын
What a great detailed review!
@christosswc4 жыл бұрын
Is the Leatherman driver really that universal? The bits are flat sided, universal bits ain't like that are they
@Friendsshare4 жыл бұрын
Leatherman driver is not universal. It's the very definition of proprietary
@outdoor0442 жыл бұрын
Does the black oxide version of the wave have any difference in rust resistance from the regular wave? Same? Less?
@mhsvz67354 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another excellent review!
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@40belowful3 жыл бұрын
just bought one of these from Walmart:) great review:)
@jld32294 жыл бұрын
You pay more for the Leatherman to offset the 25 year warranty, 'No questions asked replacement or repair service" I believe even in the first five years, comparing, the Leatherman warranty and customer service is second to none. I personally am willing to prepay for the "No Hassle" customer care Leatherman provides.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people overlook that fact, I agree with you.
@thesanctuary225 Жыл бұрын
I'll pick up two multiforce instead of expensive one wave.
@Erin-Thor2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if Leatherman’s warranty service has improved, or are they actually honoring their warranty issues? About 20 years ago I had one break, sent it to them w delivery receipt, and… nothing. When I called they said it hadn’t been received, and insisted I send it to them. They said my proof of delivery (2 day USPS) was not proof of receipt. I haven’t bought a leatherman tool in 20 years or so because of this. Has anyone actually had a warranty issue, AND have they honored their warranty? I mean it broke, they sent you a new one or part?
@davidsiegel98474 жыл бұрын
All gets down to materials, engineering, and ergonomics. If the tool is not durable in normal use, over time, nothing else matters. Chipping, bending, dulling, breaking are the bane of many cheaper MTs, and not a few brand name tools.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
It does. Quality is a huge factor.
@southfloridapaddlefishing74523 жыл бұрын
Can the 1/4 bit driver of the ozak fit the wave? Coworker just showed me his ozark and got me wondering
@thanhngo57824 жыл бұрын
nice! Happy new year!
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year to you too!
@philoso377 Жыл бұрын
Nice video. On page 15:50 illustrate diamond file sharpening a drill bit at the nose. If we file the left edge the cutting edge on drill bit will dig into the coating and remove diamond more aggressively. So always file the edge to your right hand side. When done first edge rotate the finished edge from right side to your left. Now the unfinished edge is on your right. Start refresh the second edge on your right. Do not apply down force using diamond coated file, ever. It is so abrasive only need to glide filing.
@irvingg.14374 жыл бұрын
I heard the reason why Ozark was able to do this and I believe there are others, is that the Leatherman Wave patent expired. You know if this is true?
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
I don't have any first hand knowledge of that. I will tell you what I know about patent laws in the US. Most patents are good up to 10 years, in some cases that is extended to 14 years. Major changes in those patents, such as the design change from 1st to 2nd generation Wave will often times be sufficient enough to extend the patent for an additional 10 years on the newer design. It has been 14 years since the Wave 2nd generation was released, so I would tend to believe that it is an accurate statement that the patent ran out on that design. As such, it is free to the market to copy and modify as they see fit. Free market at it's finest.
@irvingg.14374 жыл бұрын
@@txtoolcrib yes kind of like the harbor freight drills they currently have which looks alot like the old 12v Dewalt drills. lol
@jeffg27014 жыл бұрын
Best multi-tool out there. S.O.G power assist
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Well I will not argue that it is the best for you, but I certainly disagree with it being the best multi tool. Perhaps if they gave the other implements as much attention as the pliers I could see them as a viable option for the top spot. Until that happens, I respectfully disagree.
@TheGrenadier973 жыл бұрын
It's hard to dislodge brands like Leatherman, but one thing is obvious as the sky: the chinese known, can and may caught up.
@bilakos19874 жыл бұрын
No corkscrew category? Some multi-tools have it. Some have just the corkscrew, like SAKs, some have a half assist, like the Juice, some have a full assist, like the Roxon Storm. Will you not be comparing anything with corkscrews on them?
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
You’re right, forgot that one. I did leave some space to add some additional functionality though. Hopefully that will suffice for adding that function.
@MegaNerevar Жыл бұрын
Ergonomics on the MultiForce is much better than the Wave, especially using the pliars.
@tonythies18273 жыл бұрын
Dude... your review on the multiforce was the same comparison. In fact most of your videos are a comparison of whatever vs wave+ or surge.....
@stevecheney24612 жыл бұрын
What was the verdict after the extended use trial?
@user-gg7wh5fg3j2 жыл бұрын
非常好的对比评测。 赞一个。
@kyleb41512 жыл бұрын
I dunno what it is about Leatherman and scissors, but I on all the multitools I've purchased from Leatherman, they are always trash.
@inferno71273 жыл бұрын
>>>> What's the WARRANTY on the Ozark Trail ???
@RickCarlson4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Lots of good information for both of these tools. Now, I'm interested in how well the can opener works. I'm not buying that many peaches so how do they stack up against green beans? lol kidding of course.
@txtoolcrib4 жыл бұрын
Lol. Green beans can be a bit tougher.
@spikeripper1Ай бұрын
The wire cutters on the wave are crap in my opinion they are replaceable so if the break get a new one also leads to weak points now that there is a hole