I've learned so much from you since discovering the channel. Can't wait to upgrade my old hps.

Yep I remember use a 160 watt CFL for a simple lamp. Then it went to about a 100 and slowly making it down to 60 and 70 watts . And damn if those glass and cfl bulbs didvt pop every month or so.. I ain’t changed my led bulbs in over 5 years and it’s ones I put in were 9 watts. Big difference to the old 160 glass and 100 CFLs

Good point well made

Big mould troublemaker ☹️

specially if you have a heat recovery system in your living space you save money mold not if you let fresh air in and make sure the air still can escape the house then there is no mold unless you live in a very humid place ( or heat recovery system then you dont need any direct intake or outtake to the outside of the building, that can be done by the heat recovery system)

@@russnicholas6796 as long as you have sufficient air flow, & fresh air exchange/intake, and proper pruning. This issue will be non existence!! Many ppl use that release of warmth into their homes-living space.

@@josephspezia3509 still not convinced sorry 😶

Lux is a inaccurate messing method for plants. Not usable bro...

@@honeyballleckda1699 I read my plants and see what lux they need, 25,000 they stretched a little, 30,000, node spacing was tight and the plants/buds look very good, I work out what the plants need, from experience.

Nothing wrong with a cmh lumatek 630. You need a real good led to beat it.

I need a heater for winter with an led. So it doesn't save me a cent.

@@billyballsup2685 its not whats better this video & discussion is about saving cash on high electric bills & we all know LEDS are more efficient

@@billyballsup2685 you win ...game over

@@normagee not when you need heating to warm the area.

Thanks.

70p is about 80 cents a unit guys.lol

How much wattage your light have?

@@honeyballleckda1699 I'm running a single mars TS-1000 in my flower 4x4, and a mars ts-600 in my veg 3x3

how much was it & how much would u need to cover say a 1000W of LED?

You get my Vote " TNB " 👍💯👍

shit ive just bought a portable ac for the dry... ive got that to come then?

worrying about the price of anything means you can't afford it, what's your point?

People in Europe are being gouged on their energy costs right now. If you haven't heard yet, you will soon. It's about to get ugly.

If you look at the street prices of weed, I hear what ure saying still worth it even if the bills double.

@@michael2305 street price ? , I live where Marijuana is legal federally and sold in stores like alcohol ,I can pick what price I want to pay ,right from the store shelves

Will do, thanks for the suggestion

I did my first ghetto grow and got 2 oz with two 15 watt grow lights. That was with no nutrients apart from what was in the soil.

I just watched a representative from an extremely reputable company say its ideal to not use the dimming feature. Rather keep ur equipment operating at its peak performance and increase the hanging height. The 1 thing I'm constantly seeing are leggy/stretched out in veg & I believe it's from the reds, infrared, & uv.

Yeah I'm actually one of those people that uses both but primarily LED... When the cold weather arrives it's helpful to use HID lighting.

Or you could put your plants under HPS streetlights at night.

If you think there isn't an add cost on grows to cost of dank your a fool my friend. Even with leds your fans run heating now winter has set in.There are top growers now having to pass cost on .fact.

Yeah like how can you justify higher yields with lower efficiency lights that kick out way more heat? Lmao

Hi, If they get enough requests they may contact us regarding testing. Thanks.

Thanks for sharing.

9$here. Lol

I learned though no need for 24hrs on. Why I even tried when there r studies. Idk I thought I was God or something. No just really dumb when I first started to get going

how about the 465 pro ?

@@daveselbow9128 I'd think it will work the same, but phone tech support if you'd like official confirmation. I'm putting seedlings in the corn and using boards on the two open sides to create a smaller light box

Hi, 600 to 800 µmols average is the most effective and efficient range

That's why hps is better in northern climate than LED.

LEDs are only good for summer anywhere it's gets Abit hot. Useless in cold climates because you need heating. You need hps cmh and led to use as climate changes in Australia.

Hi, Heating your home with humid air is not a good idea. Thanks

@@MIGROLIGHT LED is straight trash for budding in northern climate where infrared is non existent during winter.

@@billyballsup2685 heat is heat. If anything, hps evaporates humidity unlike led. You are not nearly as smart as I thought you were Shane and I'm not falling for it. I am not jumping on this crappy led band wagon. Your lights might have more color, but think about it. When you go outside you can feel the rays from the sun (heat). Led is a cool operating light. Which in winter sucks. Because plants respond to infrared. If you were really smart you would know that a little more than half the sun is infrared and the rest is color spectrum, 2% being UV. lets not even mention how led lacks uv light crazy. I'm probably going to unsubscribe from you now. There's nothing to be learned from you and your led gimmicks. Have a good day.

Hi, Maybe if they get enough requests they will get in contact regarding testing. Thanks.

Hi, I'm not sure if Shane has tested them, I have heard of them though. Thanks.

I think your on the right track my lights I found to be oversized and by adjustment I achieved better quality and slightly more yield by dropping around 90 watts per lamp

The 610 watt will be larger so the power is spread over the wider area, so will be more even in the larger space. and you can hang it lower at lower power. Some bar lights like the PHOTONTEK & LUMATEK 600w pro allow you to take bars out of the rig and it doesn't do any harm. So you can veg under one 100w Bar or two bars and save energy.

@@UbiquitousRomp very true but ide just turn it down to suit

@@richardgrimbleby7853 You can turn it down with just the two bars and use one third of the power of dimming all six. Two bars at half power drews 100w....6 bars at half power drews 300W. So it seems daft to light the whole 4x4 when I only need a small area for the first few weeks. I can then add the remaining bars as growth requires more room. I did think about getting a smaller veg light, but my Lumatek pro has a 2.9 efficiency rating so I might as well take full advantage of that.

Hi, it would be a little less efficient but, as you spent more for the fixture, it would take longer to get a return on your investment

Hi Barry, about 250 to 300 watts for your 1m x 1m space would be perfect

@@MIGROLIGHT dam I only have a pro gro 200 watt , Total PPF 420 µmol/s - 2.1 µmol/J Samsung & Osram Diodes Full Spectrum Array - CRI 91.1 High Quality Optimum Driver 400mm Ø - 150 mm H Total Amps: 0.83 A, would adding one more be ok

We run the 281B at low power for high efficiency AND great value. 730nm leds are a waste of time. Don't add to photosynthesis hardly at all, just a gimmick

@@MIGROLIGHT Thanks for the quick answer. I rewatched a video from your channel about the effects of the far red spectrum and can now understand your point better. Just read/watched a lot about this topic, also from renowned sources like Dr. Bruce Bugbee and apparently got a slightly "wrong" conclusion out of that research.

That's a saving of 5 hours of veg light per day. 35 hours a week and say you veg for 6 weeks that will be 210 hours of electricity saved. What a saving. With auto flower it won't work the same obviously.

@@geo_neo9 Problem is you will be vegging for longer, you won't get the same amount of growth in the same time period. Very strain dependent how long a light cycle will cause a plant to flower. some will flower well over 13 hours.

@@jeffree9015 no its no different they grow the same speed. It tricks the ladies so they grow just as fast in my experience. The trick is 5 n half hours darkness then one hour light makes the plant grow just the same. Its hormonal.

@@jeffree9015 the research I found is 13.15 hours is maximum.

@@jeffree9015 people seem to struggle with the facts of my experience. Their loss my gain. Another factor on this is to use an adjustable led. Where you can put it on the lowest wattage during veg cycle, mine is set 170 watts. They grow as fast as 18hrs cycle and why I always do it. The best evidence is self experience obviously. Veg cycle doesn't need as much light as flower cycle.

Hi, It could be your electricity company charged you based on an estimation rather then what you have actually used. Thanks.

I would have thought growing is still much cheaper than buying?

where do you live? Europe?

@@MIGROLIGHT I doubt it once the price caps go up in October. 80% increase in production costs. Whilst the stuff sold on the streets isn't grown using electeicity that is paid for.

@@MIGROLIGHT If the profit is negligible with everything else involved: Time, commitment, Risks, the law, having your home and space back, family visits, not worrying about getting robbed by feral gangs, possibility of losing crops to various problems (bugs , disease), power outages could be a problem too. Have to ask if it's really worth it anymore. The cost to buy it is still around the same if not cheaper than it was 20 years ago. Better letting someone else deal with the agro and do a few shifts of work at a job and pay them.

@@RogueTrader- makes a lot of good points too. I'm going to take the opportunity to have some work done around the house without being paranoid.

are there a lot of growers in Russia? hope you have a translate option for my reply.

Спасибо

More like 4x120w quantums. That's 480 true watts, and the '1000w each' thing is a gimmick lie. The vid is using 450w true watts.

@@HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke thanks, it's what I thought, I thought i'd need at least 4 to match a 600hps, & even then it would still be good to give them some of the hps.

@@manufacturingdissent666 Yep! They basically match on light output while the LED's extra efficiency can save electricity bill over time, as the video points out. If you have cold winters, that's when the 600hps gets an advantage with its extra heat output. It sort of comes down to whether you need to run extra heating or air conditioning cooling, as to which works best. :) :) If you live in the arctic circle hps would probably be best year round :P

@@HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke I'd rather heat my home with hps, hot air, than turn the heating on!

@@manufacturingdissent666 If your garden isn't going to overheat, definitely! Exactly :)

That's EXPENSIVE

@@MIGROLIGHT i know man. Love the video's brother❤️

Not the war, it's them transitioning to green energy which is meant to destroy people along with intentional inflation

🖕Potato heads War.

that's pretty high. US?

@@volvo09 used to be 11 cents then went up to 18 and now it’s 20+

You dont _need_ either. I have no problems with just a mars hydro LED and nothing else.

Most are full spectrum LED's. will do all stages of grow with high PPFD and big yields, at lower costs, than other lights... as the chart Shane is showing states.

Hi, Far red and UV is not necessary to grow strong healthy plants. Thanks.

😆 It'll be 0 in no time

Let's go BRANDON‼

or and i'm not sure if it's still worth it but i got a free solar system, but i pay for the power it makes so i pay them 11c kwh and they gave me a 38kw system. untill the dropped the feed in i had free power and even ended up with some spending cash. something to look into and maybe with all the green b.s they might start up deals like this again. o it's for 15 years then it's mine and i pay nothing.

8 cent per kWh in Belarus - too bad the KGB will imprison you for life if they catch you growing some dank.