Cersei's daughter is still alive on the books missing and ear but alive

Cleon has Imperium, Cersie did not

What I thought...

Plus the way he didn't bother to have her arrested or restrained or anything, just wandered off and left her sitting there.

Plot twist: They didnt' really kill anyone but having her thinking they did and living the rest of her otherwise healthy life with that, and nothing more, in her mind. That's even a greater show of power.

@@MrFerparedes well, wiping every body out does make sense. If something (Azura’s actions) did manage to happen, then it was a consequence of something (her ancestry and relationships). Wiping everything out made sure that it has a much lower chance of happening again.

He leads an empire of 25 million planets. His level of power is vast and beyond compare.

I would say in the same way Apple get away money frome their beloved customers.

Lee Pace is a unique actor. Moreover, it is always different !!!

Cleon is definitively better actor than Lee Pace

Thank Juilliard for that.

He's portrayed some massive dicks in his time. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke

Which is why this is good and The Acolyte stank.

'how often we choose this?' 'u always do'

Because she knows he "can" if he desires and this is what makes this "Empire" so interesting.

He killed all those people. He wasn't just talking. Everything he said happened.

Exactly

"he" blew up planets for revenge, there is no doubt he is not bluffing

He did though.

True: the only gem in this terrible show, where gender looking cute and colour superseded the ability to actually act in front of a camera. Good actors can at least save the day confronted with a terrible script, but it doesn't work the other way.

@@Leptospirosi He's the only reason i watch this show lol

@@666MaRius9991 a Lee Pace fest!

What?? We didn’t watch the same show lok

I think she deserved. And i am very against this type of punition.

@@arthuroliveirasouza4714 Word Bank deposit Punition? the act of punishing or state of being punished.

He didnt mention loss of sence of smell.....humm

@@JE-mj8yz He did. He’s thorough.

I'd do the same

*Ronan's

😂

*Thranduil to tauriel after she chose Kili over his son*

@@paulac.munoztorres But he didn't even want Tauriel with his son and he said so when she asked. He didn't consider her worthy.

So true 🤣😂

It’s a shame that that’s not a show they seem to have planned

@@ryanhealy9026 I think they will at some point maybe in 6 or 7 years...but now the focus in on HOTD and probably that sequel with Jon Snow.

It’s crazy watching interviews where he’s just casually talking and sounds NOTHING like Cleon’s or any of his other roles. A great actor.

I also thought of Lee Pace as the first choice for Aegon.

I always thought Jason Isaacs and Lee pace would be awesome Targaryens

What's scary is that it's the humanity he felt in himself that propels this level of cruelty and ruthlessness. He was genuinely hurt at the fact that he was put in the position of extinguishing someone who he nurtured as if he was his own son, imprinted his nuances and qualities on to and being robbed of any "legacy", which is precisely what he told Azura he would be doing to her. He stated that he purged even the faintest trace of her impact in the world.

That humanity included deep, deep emotional hurt due to brother Dawn being killed, I don't think brother Day had ever experienced that level of loss and pain.

human is complex , capable of love and hate

@@victorpradha9946 just like Dolores in Westworld. Or should I say Halores at the end of season 3.

​@@eden20111 Yes...becoming "more" human is precisely what's propelling Halores to do what she's doing. The point I guess is that not ALL aspects of humanity are worth cultivating and replicating and propagating!

Day is essentially what would happen if the protective father meant every word of their threats about treating their child right and had near infinite power to carry them out.

@@JamesTobiasStewart At the end of the day.....grief can make monsters of us all.

In the future, almost anything is possible!

Why would he be suprised hes literally a clone anyone that does their ancestry test gets put in the database now in the future everyone im sure is gonna be just by fingerprint or touch alone

@@TattedLilZaddy i appreciate this comment! You are probably not reading between the lines and understanding the full context of the statement! That's ok. You're opinion is valid too. Can't wait for season 2!

And the Elven King and the High Accuser in between

There won't be no "is this the halfling who escaped from my dungeon" this time. 😲

@@JE-mj8yz Or getting defeated by a dance off challenge by some guy from Missouri

Pie maker? Which show?

@@zeemoore15 Pushing "up" Dasies

the show without Lee pace is trash

@@ecod7r you are wrong

😮🙏

@gloryshadow8710 Damn this was deep, and I completely forgot that I wrote it 😅.

She betrayed him he made him more evil.

@@Sherlock245 There is no evilness in Cleon XIII. Apart from his son, he is the gentlest of Cleons. A soul wise and bright. He doesn't turn to violence unless it it necessary. You can see that in his conduct on the Maiden. Azura on the other hand, that was a force of evil, and deserved to be punished for her crimes.

@@ciarandwynvil273 then you don't know the story very well as he is evil. Look it up.

If you haven't already, see him in "Halt and Catch Fire."

I’ve only seen him in this and as Ronan but I just watched an interview with him. It’s so weird seeing that he’s a nice, lighthearted dude in real life. I know he’s acting but a lot of guys (RDJ) just play versions of themselves in most of their roles. Lee Pace couldn’t be any more different. Cool to see.

Right? I watch this clip from time to time. I’m always a bit unsettled for a while afterwards. I put myself in her position and it freaks me out for a bit. I think I’d immediately try to jump up and try to land on my head, hoping to break my neck and end it there. It’s not like I’ll need much athletic ability from then on, if I fail.

Idk man, I'd rather a lifetime of sensory deprivation than a lifetime of grueling torture.

Reminds me of I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream

He already has a huge resume of movies!

I think the end of the episode shows that she didn't want to do it. Like when she's talking to the holy woman she says that her programing would override her will and force her to kill her. The same thing happened with Dawn, her core programming took over and there was nothing she could do. I think the second season could show her trying to purge her core programming so nothing can stop her free will again.

Cersei would be proud.

I hate Demerzel for a number of reasons. Killing Cleon XIV is on the top of a rather long list.

true, but he is Empire, destroyer of worlds. I'm 99.9999% sure he did exactly what he said he did.

@@darex0827 Fair enough, but my point is that his display is so perfect that he didn't even have to show any dead bodies to make her believe. So long as she goes into her sensory deprivation tank believing they're dead, that's all that really matters. Empire certainly isn't above actually doing it, but here's the question: how do you KNOW he did it?

@@LabTech41 he also failed in a way. Even if he killed everyone, he will remember her. What she did will always be there, and that will have profound impact on the Universe. People may not remember her name, but their lives have been changed because if it. She should have also taken that opportunity to stand up and bash her head as hard as she could on the corner of that stone bench. It may have resulted in a quick death vs decades of insanity

@@LabTech41 Well, he didn’t just want to punish her. He wanted to erase her. I’m surprised he didn’t incinerate the garden plants too.

Unless you know there's an afterlife and a devine justice, he's mortal after all and will seize to exist

Why would he not kill them and risk another Azura?

​@@jouaienttoihe didn't kill bel rioses husband even though he told him he did

I think it was the punishment being delivered, the verdict was a forgone event.

Agreed

May I ask, what was the main cause of your disappointment? This is the first sci-fi show in a while that I've truly enjoyed and felt had some top tier writing. For me this is filled the void that was left by Star Wars. Though I have not read the Foundation novels so perhaps that is what I am missing. Still, I found Demerzel and Cleon to both be extremely compelling characters and the whole Dusk, Day and Dawn idea seems very well thought out. Jared Harris as Hari Seldon was also top notch. It is by no means perfect, but this is the most excited for a TV show I've been in a long time and I'm quite surprised by the negative reviews it's receiving.

I doubt it cuz the cinematography was out scale compared to the other sci-fi shows. The show generally makes itself watched. I never feel bored while I watched it.

@@Redheadtama1 I didn't like how the story lines were connected and most of the characters felt empty to me. And as far as connecting with me on a emotional level, it wasn't nearly as good as The Expanse & Invasion in my opinion. Which was disappointing. I'm a big fan of Jared Harris, but found him a little underwhelming in this. I thought Invasion especially was much better with using the story & characters to create suspense & tension. But this is all largely subjective of course.

Agreed. His performance in the episode where brother Day walks the Spiral left me speechless, every scene he's in is instantly saved

I kept losing interest in Gaal and Salvor.

Nope it was amazing.

​@@robwalsh9843I didn't.

I respectfully disagree. The conspirators have nothing better to offer, and the Cleons have been pretty good shepherds for the people of the empire. Even Salvor's daddy admitted that he had had it good in the empire. His parents were of the upper working class, no nobles or anything, and they enjoyed damn good lives. That he chose to follow a religious zealot into an exile, well, that's not exactly the emperors' fault. He just said that the good stuff he had gladly enjoyed had been built on lies - but what lies he meant, that got never specified. Until Hari came along with his predictions of doom, the empire was a stable realm, predictable, orderly, and not prone to cruelties towards its population. That is not a small deal, and it speaks well of the ruling dynasty. Alas, it seems that a few malcontents were hell bent not to respect and enjoy the peace.

quite, quite right.

Easy to think of when you’re watching a tv show. Probably a lot harder to come up with snarky come-backs when a man tells you he’s just killed everyone you’ve ever known.

@@MorallyDubiousFrog Not just everyone you've met or known, but everyone connected to them, their families and friends. And not just relatives, but everyone essentially related to you directly or indirectly. Any and every trace and influence you have on this world, whether directly or indirectly, gone

I don’t think even she’s thinking anything about defiance after the devastating sentence brother day just gave her. The reality of what has happened and what she faces is just sinking in. Brother Day chose his revenge so that there would be no defiance. It would have cheapened the scene for her to her have flippant remark.

He has essentially lied. He remembers her and lives. So she still has a legacy.

exactly how I felt. the series, sadly, are a mess, but Cleon storyline is quite good and Lee Pace makes it legendary. I soon became annoyed when the story would cut to other plots, relieved and enthralled when it returned to Empire.

I'll only keep on watching the show as long as Lee Pace appears in it.

Exactly. Terence Mann and Jared Harris also helped carry the show. Other than that, the only other strength were the visual effects. The actresses who played Gaal and Salvor were boring as hell.

@Dr. Van Nostrand True and he doesn't even have to do it, he could've just said he did it and locked her up and she would never know the truth. Pointless uncaring narcist

both my parents, me, my wife... there is plenty

EM...no? First Brother Dawn wasn't killed by her, he got betrayed by her. That doesn't justify that kind of punishment. Demerzel killed Brother Dawn because Dawn was different (due to the fact that his DNA was altered and that wasn't Azuras fault; since she is supposed to be the same age as Dawn she was practically a baby back then when they messed with the Cleon's DNA) Also, if someone is different it is not a reason to kill him/her. If your child was betrayed and you come up with that kind of punishment (killing all the people who had something to do with the betrayer, putting the betrayer in a cell, chained and sensory shrouded for a lifetime which is far worse than what the betrayer did) makes you basically a psychopath. Really, I am worried by your statement "if you have the ressources..." and that others agree to it. Brother Day is a psychopath. He is pure sadistic here. He is not angry at Demerzel for killing Dawn. He is just a power hungry egocentric maniac who loves to scare people who are socially below him and to punish them to satisfy his sadistic tendencies.

Well this Brother Day Cleon is very different from Brother Dusk Cleon (the Cleon that culled 2 planets). The latter was arrogantly sadistic which you can notice the difference in behaviour with the former (Brother Dawn all grown up). This is actually such brilliant acting on the part of Lee pace and the guy that plays Brother Dusk, as while they look exactly the same there is differentiation in the actions/behaviour

But yeah, the Brother Dusk (Brother Day in the first episode) is incredibly cruel and has no moral justification for his actions. He enjoys his absolute power and does not hide it (think of the scenes with that arrogant smug grin, one that this Day lacks)

You forget, this is 10s of thousands of years in the future, they more than likely have medication that can keep her sane and rational throughout the rest of her life

@@BloodKills Very possible. If so, I wonder why they don't make wider use of it in controlling the malcontents. Even so, my money is always on the human mind's ability to take itself where no one else can find it.

This is on a par with the punishment in that black mirror episode 'White Bear'.

Having a massive (on a galactic scale) drug program to keep possible malcontents docile has the potential to backfire and make the “regular joe” citizen concerned for their personal liberty. A great authoritarian system is invisible in it’s repression, like Day in this scene.

That’s what I was wondering too. He says for the rest of her life, but how long would that really be cut off from all sensory input?

Well, the other Cleons were interesting too.

What do you expect of the Accuser?

For real. Oh man, I miss Klaus 😩

I had the exact same reaction. Even the thought of a quick suicide attempt. Even if she only managed to paralyze herself, it’s not like she’s going to need any athletic ability, where she’s going. It would definitely be worth a shot. I watch this clip from time to time and it leaves me unsettled for a while, every time

Even Palpatine wasn’t this cruel.

That was Dusk, actually. But I agree about the not bluffing part