Legal Battle over a Mold House: Anil's Lawsuit against Production Home Builder & Lessons Learned

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Жыл бұрын

Hear advice and lessons learned from somebody who is willing to throw down with the (second) biggest homebuilder in the USA (as of 2022's numbers, they're slipping haha). Ryland Homes was sold and became Cal-Atlantic Homes, which in 2018 was sold to Lennar. Anil Mittal is a force to be reckoned with- here's how to be like him when you grow up.
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@winhousewhisperer
@winhousewhisperer Жыл бұрын
Corbett, you know this is what I am fighting in my market...no protection for the consumer. You know who fights me and works to make me go out of business -- builders and agents. These videos for this story are hard to hear, but fascinating to watch. We need better protections for all consumers within the realm of real estate.
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
Keep fighting the fight Greg buddy
@turboflush
@turboflush Жыл бұрын
Just the record keeping is exhausting. Props to you for doing it. Your background helps massively. Most would just kept calling contractors to endlessly hope to resolve something. Contractors and inspectors / quotes can cause much more damage or new damages.
@sp1200M3D
@sp1200M3D Жыл бұрын
Speaking of exhausting, exhausting clients to the point of hopelessness is a typical tactic in the building and restoration industries.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
@@sp1200M3D The parallels of this case and other cases that we see on screen, such as Erin Brocovich and The Rainmaker, are very strong. Make the process of claiming exhausting for the client and the judge, so that your chance of it ever going to court, or surviving the judge's first bad day, is nil. A good attorney will lay out the case simply for the judge, so that every time the defendant tries to obfuscate the issues, the attorney can bring the judge back to a simple point of reference.
@sp1200M3D
@sp1200M3D Жыл бұрын
@@tlangdon12 Agreed, it’s just unfortunate because many clients are so financially broken afterwards, they can’t afford an attorney. Mold cases can be extremely tough, and I hear one of the best ways to win is proving that you can no longer live inside of the home, hence having to rent another property, now having a mortgage, rent, and legal fees… The defendant can say, “well the mold must not be a problem since you still live there”.
@paulgaras2606
@paulgaras2606 Жыл бұрын
These guys screwed over the wrong dude 3:36
@erinchavez4215
@erinchavez4215 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this. We are going through this nightmare with Coventry homes right now.
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance 7 ай бұрын
So sorry to hear. Make sure you watch all of Anil’s videos on our channel- there are two
@chriscermak3188
@chriscermak3188 Жыл бұрын
Wow. This was fascinating
@dosadoodle
@dosadoodle Жыл бұрын
How do you fix this? Require builders to take back a property while paying back the homeowner for 95% of the value if the property if it is found to have major issues (within 5 years of purchase) that the builder cannot remedy within 90 days of notification, assuming no major damage to the property by the residents (hence the 5% cut to accommodate minor damage). This will: 1) Motivate builders document the state of the property and do measurements like blower door tests. 2) Motivate builders to hire subcontractors who do an adequate job and give them the time required to do a good job (which I'm sure they'd be happy to do if they were given that time). Additionally, if the builder tries to close their business before the 5 years is up, the builder should be required to put in a lump sum payment to an insurance company (that is itself bonded and cannot be dissolved within 5 years) to take on responsibility of homes the builder built to cover 95% of the cost of the homes. BTW, if a subcontractor doesn't do an adequate job and the home is given back to the builder, then the builder is welcome to sue the subcontractor.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
A right of refund works with most other consumer items, so why not buildings. Builders are the experts if there are problems, they are best placed to remediate them, either using a new sub-contractor or forcing the orginal subcontractor to accept their liability.
@Buildingscienceacademy
@Buildingscienceacademy Жыл бұрын
I’m going to share this on some of my Facebook Groups. Great info!
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you Brantley! Hope all's well with you and your company.
@timesdarkcaptains9170
@timesdarkcaptains9170 Жыл бұрын
I have been doing mold training in Texas since 2004. These issues illustrated in this video is exactly what needs to be rectified to take care of the mold. Mold is the indicator you have a building science issue, design issue or construction defect. AHU's should NEVER be put in an unconditioned attic, NEVER! This is an engineering certainty, and it gets worse when you build this way in the south. This is the problem with the go-go homebuilding/ home selling business. Houses and buildings should have NEVER been allowed to be built this way.
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
Right on, Captain, thanks for the high five
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 Жыл бұрын
Consumer protection is not putting the fox in charge of the henhouse. Unfortunately, the ratio of truly talented high-quality builders to actually know what they’re doing and HVAC companies it’s basically only two out of 100 actually really know and understand building performance and other 98 or just trying to get by with what they can get away with it, make the highest profit margins .
@zefrum3
@zefrum3 Жыл бұрын
Its sure is!
@zefrum3
@zefrum3 Жыл бұрын
Btw when I made my complaint to TDLR, the first person handling my complaint ghosted me, for months. Then like literally 6mnths from my initial complaint a new person was handling my case and over the phone she apologized and actually said the previous person was fired; didnt say why but I can infer.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
@@zefrum3 There is a lesson there about not letting issues fester for too long. If the representative can confirm that there is action taking place that needs time, fair enough, but if there is no action, don't wait too long before making a written complaint.
@tweake7175
@tweake7175 Жыл бұрын
downunder we have our own leaky home saga, which is still ongoing 20-30 years later. however recently there has been talk of limiting liability. councils who inspect and pass the house are often the last man standing and tend to be the one that gets sued. so they are looking at reducing liability so when they screw up they don't have to pay to fix it. so down here they are wanting to remove what little consumer protection there is. thats really screwed up.
@williampope4712
@williampope4712 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@2ndChanceAtLife
@2ndChanceAtLife Жыл бұрын
I'm 60 years old with a lifetime of work experience in a wide variety of industries. SHOCKED to learn that the role of a realtor is to serve the seller and NO ONE oversees the buyer's interest.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
In the UK, we have an organisation called the Royal Instituation of Chartered Surveyors. Members of the organisation are professional building surveyors and are engaged by most property buyers to complete a survey of a property prior to them finalising their offer. Because you have paid for a survey, and the surveyor is working for you, you can sue them if they miss something funamental that they should have seen when inspecting the home. The role of the Realtor in the UK is the same - they represent the seller, and their sole aim is to sell the property for the best price it can acheive.
@teddywong6246
@teddywong6246 3 ай бұрын
Thanksfor a great video. Buyer beware and get yourself educated on building science and ventilation. Production builders are interested in the bottom line and profits. In a spec house they do not know the owner and they do not care of the building performance after the sale closing. The housing construction model in this country is deeply flawed and a new paradigm for building houses is sorely needed.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for helping Anil share his story. While I understand the rationale of selling the problem to someone else at a discount, they might struggle to achieve the resolution that Anil can achieve because they don't have the direct relationship with the builder. Anil and his wife are the only ones that can stand up in court, look the builder in the eye and say "You sold me a pup!". But I agree that taking legal action is a personal decision and has to take into account your financial resources - never disclose these to the other parties - they should always think that you are sitting on an enormous war-chest! It's so sad to hear that large builders in the USA have no pride in their product. I wonder what their boards and shareholders think about this? And I love that their own experts testing shows the problems you are complaining about! This is the sort of case that should result in class actions and a number of major housebuilder going bust!
@Hello-zf5lq
@Hello-zf5lq Жыл бұрын
Builder is a contractor whose purpose is to oversee the quality of subcontractors, so it is a SHARED liability. The engineer who designed the building plans is liable too, if plans were made. The issue in this house it seems is that the HVAC system was causing condensation due to uninsulated, unsealed attic hvac ducts and gaps in air and vapor barrier applied to the house exterior frame. If either of those would not have happened, the house would be fine. Just when vapor from outside met with the cold hvac ducts on the inside, condensation and mold happened. BUT.. the homeowner is at fault because they should have MONITORED the hvac ducts for condensation during their operation, and should have caught the condensation issue before the mold grew. So the first time you turned on you hvac system on a humid day, you should have gone into the attic to check for any condensation forming on your ducts because it is a common problem. That is why running ducts in an attic is a bad design that leads to problems. But homeowner did not know, wasn't prepared, and did not know or expect to do it.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
You have to think that the main contractor is negligent if they don't ensure that all the design elements work together; where is their evidence that they considered the inter-related design elements? Similarly, if there are obvious quality issues with the sub-contractor's workmanship, such as a lack of sealing of ducts, you have to consider that they have been negligent. I would extend this to ensuring that designs are implemented. If the design has one large HVAC unit and the installer arrives with two small units, NOT stopping the installation until the designer confirms that the change is is correct and has been checked, is also negligence.
@d.s.1653
@d.s.1653 Жыл бұрын
I went through something similar and it is AMAZING how similar my takeaways are to his. Yes, there are no winners (and I got a settlement) but the toll on me and my animals (who died) and the compromises make you realize it's not almost worth the fight. I know more about stucco and water intrusion than a lot of contractors - sadly. It was also 3 years for me before we got resolution. It was me against a massive insurance company who represented the HOA. Everything the same: had to live elsewhere and yet continue to pay the mortgage during the battle and had to close a 401k to keep paying my attorney until the end. He is 100% spot on.
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
So sorry to hear, DS- good that you got out, but it sounds like a terrible situation.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
Anil and you are right. There are no winners (other than the lawyers), but if the builder pays for most of the remediation, the client has the home they should have had, and can sell it on in good-faith. It's as good a form of winning as you can ever hope for.
@zefrum3
@zefrum3 Жыл бұрын
Man! Good for you! This happened to me but I 1. Didnt believe people could behave this way and 2. Didnt have the money. Bring these fraudsters down!
@NomadC905
@NomadC905 Жыл бұрын
There is soo much to say on this topic along with so much frustration!! There isn't enough space for my long winded comment. The system is failing the homeowner / building owner from day 1. Everyone needs to Educate themselves on this topic but the SAD thing is, People don't want to know unless they are going through this. Society would rather watch meaningless videos on KZfaq with millions of views making that content creator a ton of money when channels like this should be up in the hundreds of thousands or millions of views. This story happens on a regular basis but nothing is done about it because people ignore it or don't have the finances to fight this type of litigation or they sell the house and the new owners have no idea. Over the last 10 years, I've been trying to figure out how to stop banging my head against the wall to share this same info with home and building owners so this stops happening. The sad thing is, I'm not sure if this is possible. Thanks for sharing this Story Home Performance!!
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
Amen Chad
@lindacgrace2973
@lindacgrace2973 Жыл бұрын
CHANGE THE BUILDING CODES! We have a patchwork of regional and micro-regional prescriptive codes (Walls must be x inches thick with an R-value of Y). What we need are PERFORMANCE codes! You know the drill, "proof is possible."I argue that it is not only possible, it is absolutely necessary. It is impossible for the law to keep up with radical and rapid changes in building technology. It is dead easy to have a series of easily tested performance metrics to ensure that the house produced - whatever the style, the structural engineering, or the architectural design, is a clean, safe, comfortable environment for people. Under today's codes, there are many places in the US that don't allow tiny homes, cross-laminated timber, rammed earth, or other a zillion other innovative housing systems. By converting our codes to performance metrics instead of prescriptive metrics, building inspectors are tasked with making sure the as-built matches the approved drawings, and that the performance tests are fair and accurate. The law will FINALLY keep up with innovation rather than being a barrier to innovation. Proof is NOT just possible - it is NECESSARY!
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
PREACH
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
I agree completely, but to make this a reality, the tools for measuring performance have to be cost-effective and easy to use. A production house builder, should have the BEST chance of building the best homes because they can amortize the cost of the performance measuring equipment and the professionals who are trained to use it over the largest number of homes.
@lindacgrace2973
@lindacgrace2973 Жыл бұрын
@@tlangdon12 Preaching to the choir, Mr. Langdon! So many measures of performance come down to a few simple metrics: check the ACH (blower door test), run an air-quality test (a simple $40 sample sent off to a lab that checks for radon, mold, carbon dioxide and sulfur, which indicates escaping gas). Check air exchange in each room (which should be done as a matter of course when commissioning the HVAC system). Check water pressure in the pipes and use a leak detector (expensive, but many plumbers have them and the cost amortises out) to ensure that the plumbing is OK. Some prescriptive codes (ADA accessibility standards, for instance, or safety measures like codes governing gas lines, etc.) are still necessary, but a lot less of them and a lot more creative architecture and new technologies would be adopted.
@2ndChanceAtLife
@2ndChanceAtLife Жыл бұрын
My grandfather used to say, "You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig."
@zuam7645
@zuam7645 Жыл бұрын
*AND ALSO THE LIPSTICK*
@ccvideotech
@ccvideotech Жыл бұрын
This is not a production builder only issue. I went this for even longer with a custom build. Horrible, horrible, horrible experience.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised that this was your experience. I would have done a lot of due diligence on the project manager before I let them be responsible for the quality of the home they were building for me. But there is a fundamental problem here that affects all site/project managers, which is that they can't be experts in all the different technologies that go into a modern building. This is why design and design verification is important. But the project manager can and should understand the designs/plans and how the work is supposed to accomplised, so that if the sub-contractor tries to make design changes on the fly or change the way the work is being done, they can be pulled up and the implications of the change checked. Too many subcontractors haven't priced in some contingency in case of problems, or in case work has to be halted while a serious issue is worked out.
@martinp1544
@martinp1544 Жыл бұрын
Holy Cow!
@michaell7877
@michaell7877 Жыл бұрын
Hi guys. I watched your carbon monoxide video and left a msg in the comments in that video. Can you tell me which CO that you guys were recommending? Tyvm...Good vids.
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance Жыл бұрын
The Defender Low Level monitor is our recommendation, Michael.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
@@HomePerformance Good recommendation. Anything with a display that gives you and indication of the level of CO is much better.
@asrr62
@asrr62 29 күн бұрын
I actually think the floor plan matters most in these houses. You cant build a decent house without a decent plan!.
@ancestraltwine8893
@ancestraltwine8893 Жыл бұрын
What about doing a 180 on the status quo and revert to simpler living which could include living in healthy homes like tipis, hogans and other climate appropriate healthy homes. This is madness.
@AshleyPetrone-yw3tg
@AshleyPetrone-yw3tg Ай бұрын
Can you give me his contact information? Or email?? We are dealing with the same thing and I have so many questions for him.
@russkydeutsch
@russkydeutsch 6 ай бұрын
So the question is: How do you vet a good home builder?
@HomePerformance
@HomePerformance 6 ай бұрын
Video coming buddy
@The_k81
@The_k81 Жыл бұрын
That's one ugly mcmansion. Maybe the mold knows something that us humans don't. In all seriousness though, what a nightmare for these home owners. Looks like the builder picked the wrong consumer to try to exploit for profit; this guy is fierce.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
I din't think Anil was fiece. I thought he came over as a reasonable guy - he accepted that building a home is a fearsonly complicated business these days - but he also was clear that he was not going to be walked over. If anyone pushed him, I am sure he would push back really politely, but just as hard.
@Fedgery007
@Fedgery007 Жыл бұрын
Wow this is so awful. I don’t think I would ever buy another builder track home. I would do a custom built home and have it inspected at different increments.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
The whole situation in the building industry make me consider that the only way to get a good quality home is to build it myself, using sub-contractors who have been thorougly vetted and who have a track record of producing good designs that work well in practice AND who are prepared to accept that the client has a right to ask them to improve levels of workmanship if they are slipping. Some contractors are too precious about this. If I've hired them because they are the best, I want their best work.
@zefrum3
@zefrum3 Жыл бұрын
Who u lost me and i am sure abunch of other folks when u said this needs to be regulated by the Federal government. I 100% understand what u r going through but this needs to be handled by our state government. Please reach out to Gov. Abbott!
@umeng2002
@umeng2002 Жыл бұрын
Step 1: Find out where the builders' kids go to school...
@judahbrutus
@judahbrutus Жыл бұрын
We need less federal control. Sorry, but that is not the answer. The states should be making their own rules and we can judge what works and what doesn't. There are a lot of materials and building practices that are allowed and acceptable to code that I think will prove to be trash in a few years. We are learning as systems are changing and houses are getting tighter, things will slowly improve. I have been inspecting houses for 10 years and I've never seen a house this bad, this is extremely rare. Expanding the code will only make houses more expensive to build and not necessarily better.
@tlangdon12
@tlangdon12 Жыл бұрын
You have a similar issue in the US that we have in the UK. Our building codes are changing anyway as a result of the need to improve energy efficiency and rectify problems that have occred as builders have tried to build houses too cheaply, so it is already getting harder for builders to comply with the codes. The issue is that no-one is checking that builders are building to code or building well. The codes define a minimum standard. Production builders will only build to code, to maximise profit, but they will also build below code if you aren't checking on them. This is what has to change. I think you are wrong about the requirement for checking and the sanctions for non-complianc not being best handled by the Federal Government. I get why many Americans think that Federal control is a bad thing, but good legislation would only set a framework for the country to give all consumers the same legal protection. The standards of evidence required to show that a builder has been negligent could be different in each state. Some states might therefore get a reputation for being more pro-builder than being pro-consumer, but if you can win in court, what ever the standard is, you get your money back! If you want a good example of US Federal government being efficient, take a look at the work of the US Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board (USCHB). They have some interesting videos on KZfaq.
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