Adam broke the law.

The fact remains he chased them. I was taught in my criminology course that once you are no longer under threat if you pursue burglars you are legally in the wrong. I understand morally its different but we have to live in a society with a certain legal standard.

@@jaysunbrady he was also convicted by a jury of his peers.

The guy should have thought before knocking the burgs off his bike, if in fact that is what he did. He should have been on the phone to police in his car so they could give chase to the crooks. Then there is insurance to pick up the tab if they then get away. Two wrongs don't make a right in this case, the guy even admitted himself he shouldn't have done it. Seriously harming 2 individuals over a motorbike isnt worth it. Even then the bike would likely be in a mess after knocking it off the road so its loose/loose/loose. On the other hand the law should be a lot tougher for people who steal things. Where I am from police don't care and just expect insurance to pick up the tab. That is where the injustice is. It enables criminals to carry on doing what they do while regular people carry their wrongdoings in insurance payments and having to deal with the nonsense.

The details around this case are similar to reasons why no chase laws are popping up all over the US. It's not because evil lefties eat babies and love criminals, it's because cops all drive 3 ton SUVs now and they keep killing people with them. If I'm sat in my house and you drive through my door and hurt me or my family because you were chasing some cunt stole your bike, I don't give a fuck about your bike. It's already dangerous enough on the roads without wannabe mad max going after a fucking 125 in is suburban assault vehicle

@Paul B That’s really good Gavin was able to help you. And thank you for telling me his name.

Pretty sure Gavin says that in the video, certainly in regards to the Civil aspect anyway - whether it would apply in the Criminal aspect, is why we have firms like White Dalton to help; as us lay persons probably wouldn't know the nuances of it.

Yes mate 👏 Said this for years, basic common sense

My mate had a burglar in his kitchen, went in trough a window, was armed with crowbar and a meat cleaver… families dog encounters burglar, bites burglar, burglar jumps back out the shattered window and slashes his Arterie in his leg… bleeds out and passes away. Family of that POS sued…got the dog put down and want compensation for their burglar scumbag familymember. The insanity of court systems…when the victim gets double victimized…is just insanity

Not all laws are just and not all officers wise.

But there's a reason why a criminal is not automatically free game. What if Adam White had pursued the criminals, knocked them off their bike and then punched them repeatedly until they were dead on the ground. Is that a reasonable consequence of their actions? And what if the criminals hadn't been knocked off but had stopped, left the bike behind, started running and Adam White ran them over with his car? Is that still a reasonable consequence of the crime? You have to draw the line somewhere and the most obvious line is just sticking to the law. Now don't get me wrong, I feel it's not a fair or desirable outcome for Adam White to spend any time in jail, but I'm not a fan of lawless vigilante action either. That makes this case so difficult.

Nah but apparently if the other party was angry and they claim you previously committed a crime then I guess you're the one who should be in prison lmao.

I had a similar thing when a drunk farmer pulled on me. Thankfully they eventually admitted liability. At the time it didn't dawn on me to get him a breathalyser test as I was in shock at surviving! Wrote off his pickup too. Anyway, wish you best of luck with your case.

Happens everywhere these days. Judges are the common denominator in all of this.

@@corail53 Actually if you watch the video it's explained that the law itself is the problem, not judges. They can only enforce the law based on precedent.

Sadly we're not in America and British Common Law has been shafted by Tony Blair's implementation of a Supreme Court system which didn't exist prior. (Partially how he evaded war crimes charges). Timecode 6:43 - What happens to the caveat of 'Defence of Personal Property' when "We own nothing and are happy?", which is where the current politic is taking us! The reason we have a justice system and a police force is because the moral 'high-ground' where "An eye for an eye" sits, means that unchecked the world goes blind. No justice, no peace for anyone! If we get to the point (like the NHS) where the institution isn't fit for purpose, then we may as well be living in a giant GULAG! Screw the U.S. at this point; Africa is starting to look like a glorious place to live all of a sudden!

Your allowed to follow a burgular to see where they go. If they collide and get injured then maybe they should have thought about wearing safety gear. Remember in most of the uk we have virtually no police and no actice policing of our streets. You can ring 999 and noone even turns up alot of the time, if you can get through to anyone that is!

@@Yamaprilia Just because theres a legitimate grievance with how policing is or isnt conducted doesnt mean we should therefore abandon the legal codes, or worse alter them to suit the lack of policing.. You didnt arrive at this thought process by chance, all aspects of societal norms are being eroded; and much of it because were all too ready to jump the gun on a quick fix, silver bullet solution. That's just not cricket, and it's not British.

Yup!

Yeah, from the account this solicitor gives, how can anybody be surprised he went to jail? And how tf can you argue its moral to run someone off the road when they don't pose any threat to you? Real knuckle-dragger shit.

Odd is better than normal 😂

Hopefully the jury acquits him and sends a message to the politicians who are always surrounded with a security team. This what happens when idiots are elected. Following this case closely. Many other countries would be rewarding this home owner.

Same thing has happened in the uk. Ridiculous.

Not all the facts are out, making conclusions based on media reports and what the defense lawyer has stated , is being premature. The only things we know for sure is that one of the parties involved had a gun and an intruder was shot and killed by an individual who was a legal firearm owner. Everything else is conjecture . What the defense lawyer has stated publicly is not considered evidence of what happened.

@@fatchance1973 what else do you need to know? If someone is unlawfully IN your home threatening your family's life as well as your own with a gun you level them, end of story.

@@ianm432 . We do not have stand your ground laws like the US. If what the defense lawyer says is the truth then what he did would be legally justified. But there all manners of interactions that may have occurred that might not justify those actions. Its the job of the defense lawyer to either tell the truth , if it is favorable to their client or obfuscate if it is not favorable. Making conclusions based on the information available is being premature.

With there being two of them it is a best case scenario that they fled. Frustrating for sure to let them go without a positive ID. Best case is he forced them to make an error in their riding that didn't involve hitting a third party person. Even the Police aren't allowed to do that though, but better than the actions he took. Hard to say what I would do in the moment, if the bike being stolen was in a garage built into the house, or a detached garage would have some bearing on it. I bet the Police are itching to catch them do something else, well when they mend a bit. Adam did a public service for sure, but the red mist made him a bit reckless.

That's why a gun is better when you catch a burglar on your property. At least you have a blood trail to follow.

He was defending his property, he was getting his bike back

@@rationalityfirst Tell Tony Martin that.

​@@hello7533 He'd already done that and no he wasn't.

LITERALLY LITERALLY had to be in CAPS! - LITERALLY

Do you believe Adam was in the wrong? Before I took a criminology course I would have said no but when you actually study a topic it can (and should) change your views.

Sadly the law is only a baseline and knowledge of the law doesn't make one an expert on morality. Since when has it been culturally acceptable to perpetrate attempts at murder as a defence of theft exactly? In the UAE they'll chop your hands off, sure; but that's just not British is it? Do you have a pamphlet on the significance of British culture as it relates to the practices of western law? Common Law has been subverted by the invention of a 'Supreme Court' thanks to Tony Blair. Arguably that's a key reason we're even wondering about who is guilty and who is innocent in this case. Common sense used to suffice well enough until the social unrest of mass immigration occurred, among other things.

Ye I remember seeing this. Chasing them off - fine. Jumping in your car, chasing them down and ramming them is something else entirely. I feel for the guy, but he took it too far. Crims got what they deserved though.

Fuck that.

@@mickenoss no they didn't, they're still alive. scum of the earth these people.

He did nothing wrong most folk would do the same.

Chasing them off on the bike they just stolen from him

Not far enough as the 2 thieves are still walking I'd say

This, 100%. You can't condemn vigilante justice if you've created its requirement by not doing your jobs, and not doing them for so long that everyone knows you'll only get justice by taking it into your own hands.

Had three bikes recovered by thr police job job by the boys in blue.

@@phantombigballs8165 must’ve been years ago, they’re incredibly hopeless now

People need a government that supports policing instead of continually cutting the service. Blame them for the lack of resources.

@@oliw3664 You want more support for the police, but they arrested the victim here. Exactly why we need less police You only need to see videos of people filming cars at uk police stations to see the polices us vs them mentality

This is what goes against him, five miles is hardly "down the road!". That is what makes this a tough one as clearly most of society will want to side with Adam, but the law may see it very differently due to that 'five miles', and not being just down the road, unfortunately Adam wasn't quick enough to make his action 100% justifiable.

I don't think he ever intended to kill them & the courts decided the same or the sentence would be very different. The justice system needs an overhaul as we have too many criminals that are easily able to work outside of the law without penalty and play victim, Whereas the law-abiding people who are the real victims are left helpless or jailed when they protect themselves, family or property.

Highly unlike he would have been arrested in the states for this or gotten more than a slap on the wrist.

It actually depends on the state. In Texas if you see a guy walking down the street with your TV you can shoot him but in others you need to make an active effort to "retreat" before you can defend yourself. It's less matching the threat and more what your state requires for a shooting or self defense to be legal.

@@aka_pierre Doubtful the police need him there to give a statement.

@@aka_pierre No, he'd most likely have been arrested in the States, too.

when taking my ccl license the state lawyer said if you shoot someone, we (the state )will decide if you will be prosecuted BUT remember the person you shot will probably sue you, if he is dead his family will probably sue so you will be going to court even if the state doesn't take any action

I believe once you start following them you're in the wrong. You're allowed to defend yourself and you're allowed to chase them of but once they leave it becomes an act of revenge. I'm not a legal expert though.

@@gerardmontgomery280 So the solution is to cause as much (legal) damage to them before they start to leave? Or what if you damaged your own property (ie pierce the tyre of your bike with a thrown knife) when they (coincidentally) were on it wheelieing away?

The UK doesn't have the resources of America - our prisons are full, our Police forces are under-funded and are far too concerned on being inclusive than sorting crimes out, and our Government couldn't give a toss about any of this. Seriously - in the US they can hand out 90 year sentences for stuff, where the UK dole out 3 or 4 years for vehicular manslaughter! The two scrotes were clearly a waste of oxygen, and should have been sorted out years ago - but (considering they started in their teens) what you are seeing isn't the CPS letting anyone down; but rather an entire failure of many systems: from their own families maybe not instilling common decency in them, the Councils not giving children/teens enough to keep them occupied, through to lenient slaps on the wrist when they did finally start going down the crime route. This is a problem all over the country, and there really isn't much/anything people are willing to do about it. We in the UK know how wanky our justice system can be - there's that old case about the guy locked up for knifing burglars, in his own home; as (if I recall) it was deemed that the force used was excessive. Now that was bull****, he ought to have been supported, the same with the one who got done (by burglars) who fell through a skylight or something! I digress. Did the courts and CPS let Adam down as you say? Or are these two scrotes simply a by-product of a number of factors that are far-reaching, and nothing to do with either the CPS or courts? I think the latter personally - though the CPS/courts do have a place, but [most likely] have their hands tied behind their back on a lot of things.

I've seen footage where police take down scooters although I think they got alot of flack for it.

@@JWxUK The scumbags should put it down to an occupational hazard.

It's more of a justus sytem, unfortunately......

Even lawyers struggle to interpret law. Indictments aren't 'proof' and to really turn the 'property' discussion on it's head; What exactly is property when most have payments outstanding on their impedimenta? The WEF's "You will own nothing and be happy" will certainly make things more clear in legal cases like this. They'd throw away the key of someone attempting to kill those poor hapless fools that are just trying to survive without the 'privilege' of employment. What a horrid nightmare.

Unfortunately when they left his property he was no longer under threat and pursuing and knocking them off their bike is a criminal act. I think everyone agrees morally he is in the right but as a society we cant live by vigilante justice.

@@jaysunbrady If everyone agrees that attempted murder is appropriate for petty crime (not white collar crime, lol), then we've gone badly wrong. ie. The guy's life wasnt being threatened, just his goods. This isnt a Kyle RIttenhouse sityashun folks!

already been a gofund me 170k in his wifes name!

Many people cant afford to give away that much value in the transaction to a dealer and shouldn’t have to fear that a simple private sale is so dangerous in a civil society

Many years ago I caught a burglar trying to break into my garage restrained him for the hour it took the police to arrive, where he promptly tried to accuse me of assault. A week later I disturbed the same person attempting to break into a neighbour's house unfortunately I was unable to catch him but could identify him when the police arrived they showed no interest in even taking a statement off me. A few weeks later I caught the same offender breaking into yet another neighbour's house where I restrained him again until the police arrived. The system has been broken for a long time.

That doesn’t surprise me at all, but nice work on the detainment. Yeah, I for one, no longer call the police, last time I did, some junkies stabbed each other, zero care from me but one returned into his premises and I thought “man, if this guy dies and I don’t at least call the police I will feel pretty bad.” So call the police, no police turn up, but they call me back, and ask what’s happening now. “I said nothing, the guy was injured and he’s still inside”. The police lady said…..”um….so did you still want us to attend?” I was shocked (tho I shouldn’t be)…and said “do what you want, stabbed guy at this address, the rest is up to you. That’s was it for me, I despise these junkies and good riddance to a point IMHO, but yeah, you don’t expect that attitude from the police, no wonder we’re all so apathetic.

It’s the new world agenda. Criminals have free reign, and the common man should always be living in fear.

100% this. I love Al and 44Teeth, and I can appreciate his comments on how he would act the same - considering he's got a lovely family and home. But if Al took it to the extremes like Mr White did, then I'm sorry Al - but you would be in the wrong mate!

Erm, you can. You just can't go chasing people 5 miles to attack them - as that (hold onto your hat now!) makes you a criminal like them!!

Well, the states is devoid of logic and sense, just in other ways

Pray tell me fine lawyer, when in our culture did it become permissible for anyone to attempt to murder someone for theft? Scrumping is still a crime, but we don't even chop people's hands off because we're not the UAE. It's just not British, whatever the state of our policing. As far as I'm aware there was no threat to life until five miles down the road. No emotions here pal, but your blood appears to be boiling. Explain yourself!

Pretty sure those cunts are just unpaid volunteers too! Imagine getting your kicks from basically flicking shit at people! I have always thought it would be fitting to put my car inside the speed camera van at 120 lol! How’d ya like that ya bastard lol 😂

Phoned the police coming back home the other day, I was behind a driver who was swerving all over the road, into the oncoming lane, nearly had 4 head on accidents in the space of 5 miles, the driver was evidently well over the drink drive limit I phoned the police whilst following the guy, maintaining a safe distance, the police didn’t even show up! But you bet there’s been a speed camera van in the same place on the way to work 7 days out of the last 10. Wankers, the lot of them

Then we'd be watching a video about "Nick Clark" who ended up doing 2 years in jail, who protests his innocence, and thinks the law should allow him to use his car as a weapon for ~5 miles so he can exact vigilante justice. Slow clap.

The police are not there to protect real victims of crime. They are there to protect the guilty.