He unironically can be defeated with facts and logic
@iLoveBigKnockers Жыл бұрын
Because it's facts and logic?
@CyborgCharlotte Жыл бұрын
To be fair this is the same series where you can convince two bad guys to kill themselves if your speech and intelligence are high enough, so….
@HarpVv Жыл бұрын
Canon wise his mask was found at the dam courier did not use speech to defeat him.
@sirnetflix7162 Жыл бұрын
@@HarpVv There is no confirmed canon ending so that point is moot.
@khazadmann Жыл бұрын
Or by the finger of God.... or maybe an alien blaster.
@voodoominerman Жыл бұрын
One detail I've always found odd is that someone (maybe caesar?) describes Lanius as basically just a brute. He apparently doesn't care about the legion whatsoever, he is only loyal because he has ample opportunities to fight. But when you meet him, he's pretty reasonable, to the point that you can just convince him to retreat, by explaining that it would be for the benefit of the legion he supposedly doesn't care about.
@sheadoherty7434 Жыл бұрын
Caesar building another myth
@Satellaview1889 Жыл бұрын
I think the game makes it clear that while Lanius doesn’t care about the Legion, he does care about winning. The Legion has sizable power that they can pull back with and preserve, if they stay and fight, they will undoubtedly be slaughtered. Lanius doesn’t care about the rest of the Legion, he cares about winning, and because of that, if you can convince him that he’s fighting a battle that would inevitably lead to his failure, he doesn’t fight. Because while he is physically imposing, he isn’t a brute, he’s a smart, capable man, who wins not simply by taking others lives, but by knowing how to strike in ways his enemies can’t stop. That’s the very reason the 2nd Battle is such a slaughter, because he figured out a weakness that the NCR didn’t think about. That’s why some people are told by others that Lanius was part of the Legion from birth. Because he’s as brutal as the Legion, and as intelligent as their best. The problem is that he isn’t part of the Legion, he’s just here because it’s convenient for him. So the Legion tells stories of a man so capable he rose through the ranks at an impossible pace, to make up for the fact that he represents the figure head of their ship, yet doesn’t care about the Legion’s beliefs or principles. He just cares about winning. You can’t talk in him down because he’s weak, you can talk him down because he fears being made weak, and having his strength, the one thing he really thinks he has, lost in a way that would shatter his image. Or I don’t know, maybe I’m just making stuff up.
@iLoveBigKnockers Жыл бұрын
@@Satellaview1889 Too long, didn't read
@Satellaview1889 Жыл бұрын
@@iLoveBigKnockers Lanius is smart, and his own true background is one that was built off of pure brutality rather than anything to do with the Legion. That leads to someone who doesn’t care about causes, and only cares about wether or not they can win, and how to preserve that self image of a brilliant and unstoppable force, with no ties to any source.
@iLoveBigKnockers Жыл бұрын
@@Satellaview1889 Dude you actually took the time to shorten it
@seedyJ Жыл бұрын
Purely on the point of no facial scars, neither does the burned man. I don’t think they would’ve spent the time to model what no one would be able to see.
@alext9320 Жыл бұрын
While I agree that it is probably just an oversight, you can see the Legate's face in game, very easily. If you take the helmet off his corpse it's there, plain as day. Granted if you don't kill him, or if you kill him so much that he's just a puddle of gore, you won't see it.
@phoenx8435 Жыл бұрын
But you *can* take Lanius’ helmet if you defeat him.
@solaviryuvia8953 Жыл бұрын
@@phoenx8435game over though unless you modded it for play after ending
@master_pretzel8536 Жыл бұрын
Obsidian specifically confirmed that it was technical issues that prevented them from scaring those faces, and that the Legate would canonically have scars
@phoenx8435 Жыл бұрын
@@solaviryuvia8953 you can still see his face tho that’s the point
@isaiahcampbell4003 Жыл бұрын
My head cannon is the legate is just 5 cazadores in a metal suit
@Seventh_Bean Жыл бұрын
> speechchecking 5 cazadores in a suit
@ramshacklealex7772 Жыл бұрын
Ah cazadores, the bane/saviour of my knife-only playthrough
@CyborgCharlotte Жыл бұрын
Bees……my god…..
@Tumbleflop Жыл бұрын
Nah, it's actually a Cazaclaw
@Cyrus-es7ge Жыл бұрын
If he lived up to the legend, he'd be 1 human sized legendary alpha male CazaRawr.
@MagnusTonitrum117 Жыл бұрын
the no facial scars is definitely a technical issue, cause Joshua Graham, despite canonically being a very crispy boy, is smooth as hell when you remove his outfit
@prometheanrebel3838 Жыл бұрын
Damn Smoothskin.
@xxlCortez3 ай бұрын
Graham's face is pretty scarred through his bandages.
@YeetSpace3 ай бұрын
@@xxlCortezIf you remove his bandages from his character model, he's indistinguishable from a regular character. Like if you placed him in a lineup and gave him a different outfit and put him side by side with other masked NPCs unmasked in outfits dissimilar from their original, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference, though that could just be because it's a bethesda-based game And so the character modeling and creation system's a little funky sometimes
@DMAN993 ай бұрын
@@YeetSpace like how Ullyses can't blink because his face isn't actually his face. It's a mask.
@YeetSpace3 ай бұрын
@@DMAN99 bingo
@Spiketrooper Жыл бұрын
I'll always fight Lanius with the Lonesome Road "Blade of the West" to fight his own "Blade of the East"
@Steel-101 Жыл бұрын
Oh cool you do that too!? Man that’s so fun. sometimes I would use Chance’s Knife or just go crazy with the Ranger sequoia lol 😂
@hmmmmmm6567 Жыл бұрын
I cleared out all the legionairies that spawn with him using a minigun then decapitated him with the ballistic fist, I have seen geckos put up more of a fight.
@mikey6633 Жыл бұрын
Damn you for giving me another reason to play New Vegas again lol
@Nyghtking Жыл бұрын
I always wanted to go to lonesome road and collect the helmet and the armor that look like his, then grad the blade of the west before fighting him, I never end up doing it though even after gathering all the items.
@betterdevils8734 Жыл бұрын
I finished him off with my first .357 magnum that my Courier had the entire playthrough.
@Dalthos2 Жыл бұрын
WHOEVER is under that mask is a fucking beast in melee combat full stop. The idea that he is "merely an actor" is underscored by the fact that he can seriously throw down when push comes to shove.
@cgmackie3 ай бұрын
Literally my thoughts exactly.
@clothar233 ай бұрын
His skills are entirely irrelevant compared to his entirely artificial mythos. And I would consider his mythos artificial since no one can seem to get it straight. Caeser found himself a trained monster out east and decided to create a suitable propaganda tool out of it. Probably bought him for a dozen caps and some spare ammo.
@wolfmanhcc3 ай бұрын
If all you need to do is sit back and train until needed, you'd be stacked too.
@logancopper33853 ай бұрын
That being said, his origins and accomplishments being heavily embellished is very much on point for the legion methinks
@smokedbeefandcheese41443 ай бұрын
@@clothar23 The fact that people have different stories about a guy who probably doesn’t talk a lot isnt a surprise. fallout is one of those series that is known for unreliable narrators. And people not recognizing this causing problems. For example many debates have been had over Myron inventing jet or not. The game gives several obvious hints that Myron is a liar and even allows you to use speech to call him out. I don’t think there’s such an option for Lanius or anyone regarding Lanius this just seems like it’s a “fan theory” That never really fully got contained in that sphere and just expanded into a bad reading of new Vegas
@Lorgar64 Жыл бұрын
Counterpoint: the first thing you see him do is decapitate two rangers at once.
@Oudob4 ай бұрын
I don’t know bro, two rangers with butter knifes vs a fucking sword made from an aircraft isn’t really a good counterpoint
@brandoncrabtree66323 ай бұрын
@@OudobHe can take a legendary death claw in melee? Id think he was a demigod. Imagine facing even a young deathclaw in rl
@BrandonMoki3 ай бұрын
@@Oudobhis stats speak for themselves
@herrdoctor28953 ай бұрын
Counter point, Patrol Rangers and Veteran Rangers are different, as explained by Hanlon
@BrandonMoki3 ай бұрын
@@herrdoctor2895 cope
@jamesbland5207 Жыл бұрын
He's as real as bullets in this game. There not rendered... but something is killing you.
@atticusbailey5934 Жыл бұрын
Great Joke 😂
@Amzo-x- Жыл бұрын
Genius
@bigboss4178 Жыл бұрын
fken lol best comment here
@oliverpohlproductions8291 Жыл бұрын
I will not correct any grammar issues, as I'm a Grammar Fascist, Not a Grammar Nazi.
@jamesbland5207 Жыл бұрын
@oliverpohlproductions8291 I don't care if you correct it. English is a tough language and I have been speaking it all my life.
@absolutezerochill2700 Жыл бұрын
What's most impressing to me is that Lanius is 6 '11 and strong enough to catry that massive sword in his NON-POWER armor and kill an NCR trooper in one or two hits
@AsukaLangleyS02 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, because this fan theory is for idiots.
@octoberwildsmoke906511 ай бұрын
Ncr troopers are made of paper dude it takes 1 to 2 swings normally
@ATHLETIC_FEMBOY11 ай бұрын
Apparently in canon, Lanius can easily slice a BoS paladin in half.
@june99149 ай бұрын
I mean the emaciated ghouls of the divide carry around the blade of the west and I doubt a feral ghoul could could craft 1 so that implies at the very least it’s something the ncr teaches it’s soldiers two make and you wouldn’t teach someone how two make a weapon they couldn’t wield
@criert1353 ай бұрын
Bear in mind that the courier can make skulls explode with his bare fists?
@willr.14953 ай бұрын
Courier: [Speech 100] "California sucks man, don't go there." Lanius: "Damn you right, we leaving."
@Beastlango2 ай бұрын
He’s not wrong though 😂
@WallNutBreaker524Ай бұрын
Facts. 😂
@KGWyzel Жыл бұрын
Josh Sawyer, confirmed that Lanius' face lacks scars due to engine limitations. Lanius doesn't so much surrender "because of Words", but rather sees logic in the Courier's words: The Legion only just secured the Far East of their vast empire and it was not a quick campaign, securing the Mojave AND pushing further into California after two costly battles at the Hoover Dam would leave the Legion stretched thin making it entirely possible for the Far East of the Legion to rise up in retaliation. Lanius understands both the importance of maintaining the Cohesion of the Legion and maintaining stable logistics for the Legion as its Senior Field Commander; thus he backs down realizing the folly of rushing into the Mojave and California on such short notice but promises to return in time to finish what he and Caesar began.
@dylanmorgan2752 Жыл бұрын
There were definitely parts of Lanius’ story embellished out of proportion such as him being a completely barbaric animalistic brute. I’m sure he had a cruel streak but you couldn’t rise up in the legion so fast without at least having enough sense and logic to know when not to die in a Pyrrhic fashion when bigger victories can be obtained later.
@someguy92933 ай бұрын
According to Joshua Graham, after killing Ceaser (Edward Sallow) that only 'Ceaser can lead the Legion'. While Lanius can lead the Legion, he wouldn't last. Brutality can only carry you so far, and without support from cities like Vegas... Lanius would have a Civil War or insurrection on his hands.
@KGWyzel3 ай бұрын
@@someguy9293 I'm well aware of this, but I still don't doubt Lanius will try to finish the job even to his own detriment at that point.
@kayzeaza Жыл бұрын
“Oh east, I thought you said weast” - Lanis when he retreats
@XxNightmare128xX Жыл бұрын
Obsidian: "Yeah we kinda fucked up some of the lore since we didn't have enough ti-" People: "It's a CONSPIRACY"
@count.38424 ай бұрын
LMAO
@DEarls-ye9tz Жыл бұрын
Courier: [Speech 100] Go. Awaaaaay. Lanius: Okay.
@notgeorge8387 Жыл бұрын
In Majin Buu's voice.
@sirpunchnut7776 ай бұрын
@notgeorge8387 This supposed to be a Fallout 4 quote from the start of the game.
@StrongArmElijah3 ай бұрын
@@notgeorge8387 Buu really really hate you!
@Jack_Zandara Жыл бұрын
It actually mentioned in game that it's possible he's more than one person who wears the mask
@ReplicantBattyman Жыл бұрын
Where is that said?
@imitationpitaya Жыл бұрын
@@ReplicantBattymaneither Joshua Graham or Ulysses iirc
@CyborgCharlotte Жыл бұрын
It’s entirety possible. Nobody’s seen what he looks like under that mask. The original could’ve died on a solo mission and Caesar could’ve easily replaced him with another skilled soldier, and had him sworn to secrecy to keep up the legend of Lanius as this insanely tough warrior
@chadharger9323 Жыл бұрын
So a Dread Pirate Robert.
@ReplicantBattyman Жыл бұрын
@@imitationpitaya Ah yeah I think its Graham if I remember right
@bruhbruk4568 Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t really explain why he is crazy powerful in the final fight
@jonathanpilcher337 Жыл бұрын
It's mentioned in the game that legate lanius could basically just be a title that the best soldier in the legion at any point in time adopts
@bruhbruk4568 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanpilcher337 well then that contradicts what Joshua graham says
@jonathanpilcher337 Жыл бұрын
@@bruhbruk4568 there are so many differing accounts that we just don't know the real truth. It's pretty realistic in that regard
@CyborgCharlotte Жыл бұрын
Dude’s probably just injected himself with a ton of Chems 🤪
@GalacticExplorer83 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanpilcher337that’s the most realistic theory, every “legate lanius” who dies the next person in the chain of command becomes lanius , basically lanius is just a tittle not one person
@RKNGL Жыл бұрын
Decimates his whole tribe at 12? Lanus is clearly the Pint Sized Slasher 🤡.
@Im-Not-a-Dog3 ай бұрын
Or, he sprouted early and was already 6'5" at the age of 12.
@la_jefe9105 Жыл бұрын
“Are we to believe that someone below the age of twelve managed to decimate an entire tribe?” Yes.
@TheRyuSword Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, Elder Maxson in Fallout 4 has a scar on his face that is related to him killing a Death Claw without guns when he was 16, so Lanius killing a small tribe of people before 12 isn’t as wild.
@ScarletKjng3 ай бұрын
Michael Myers type shii
@tonybayer25463 ай бұрын
Both stories are propaganda, while Lanius and Maxson are both powerful characters making people believe tall tales about them grants them more authority and respect from others.
@purpleblah23 ай бұрын
Or it could be because of unreliable narrators
@cancerbucket22453 ай бұрын
@@tonybayer2546to ne fair a trible a Mutant and a few homelessdudes deafeated the Most advanced Military in Fallout so its not that crazy to belive
@FriendlyGoblinWasTaken3 ай бұрын
Yhea, I mean, sounds like a bunch of bull. The man can be strong but like, y'know, greatly exagerated exploits or some straight up lies with some truths makes it impossible to know wich is real and wich is not. Specially since both of them are dead now.
@Mirokuofnite Жыл бұрын
I like how you can talk him down. Nice reference to when the Pope talked Attila the Hun away from Rome.
@olliewakefield2263 ай бұрын
Was Christianity a thing then
@limpnormal42193 ай бұрын
@@olliewakefield226 Attila was born like 400 years after Christianity started so yeah.
@Smashface_McBourbondick3 ай бұрын
@@olliewakefield226 Just out of curiosity, what time period did you think Atilla was from?
@zc82113 ай бұрын
@limpnormal4219 was gonna correct you but I looked it up to check the exact date and boy was I wrong in when I thought Atilla the Hun was around lol.
@archbishopofthecrusades95792 ай бұрын
@@zc8211Two thousand years is a surprisingly long ass time, and the amount of advancements we've made in the past century or so is insane. Ghengis Khan, The Byzantine Empire, The Aztecs, The Viking Invasion of England, all of these happened after the death of Christ and the advent lf Christianity. The Roman Empire was only around thirty years old when Jesus was born, though to be completely fair the Roman Republic and Kingdom came before. Say what you want about it but religion brought aboht A LOT of advancement. Compare the last 2000 years to the other three thousand before that.
@seb9995 Жыл бұрын
"Its just propaganda" The man takes like 100 .50bmg to the head and a mini nuke to kill
@Ostr02 ай бұрын
Exactly
@Beastlango2 ай бұрын
Final boss armor (much stronger and more spongy than plot armor)
@THEPISSPALADINАй бұрын
I killed him with a chainsaw I dunno what y’all are struggling with
@plaguenplay3516Күн бұрын
the propaganda is insane
@CrungleFunk Жыл бұрын
Lanius is one of the best method actors to ever live. It’s why he still hits like a freight train with no brakes.
@CocoaBuzzard Жыл бұрын
In the legion ending where you kill Caesar he ends up just ransacking New Vegas. If he were a propaganda actor I doubt that would happen
@drakeevans3066 Жыл бұрын
He was probably drunk on power during that. Think about it from his perspective you've lived most of your adult life as a prop a simple propaganda piece having no real power. Then all of a sudden you're thrust to the very top of the legions hierarchy thousands of soldiers and tens of thousands of slaves practically worship you and would die for you without a second thought. Who are you to deny them the legend of the monster of the east? And what better way to cement that legend and your control over the legion the burning Vegas the jewel of the west to the ground.
@CocoaBuzzard Жыл бұрын
@@drakeevans3066 he already was geared and worshiped
@christianweibrecht6555 Жыл бұрын
Talk no jutsu = ultimate ability in NV
@CyborgCharlotte Жыл бұрын
Charisma is seen as a dump stat…..but with a high Charisma and Speech, you can convince anyone to do anything. Why kill the bad guys when you can convince them to off themselves, why get involved in a standoff between two factions when you can play both sides and pick off the stragglers, and why do anything dangerous when you can convince some poor Schmuck to do it for you. “Hmmm……I really need to explore this raider base but I’m not sure if they put landmines in front of the door. Hey! Jerry! I heard there’s some really sweet loot inside this building. I’ll pay you 60 caps to go in first!” *BOOOOM* “Huh. Guess there WERE landmines. Thanks J…….oh. Oh he dead”
@TheCapitalWanderer Жыл бұрын
@@CyborgCharlottehonestly that makes the game boring as fuck
@danielsurvivor13724 ай бұрын
MFW be like "tAlk nO JutsU1!!!" when they realise 90% of NV endings even good endings require anything besides speech to get. Also most side quests can also be done without speech, speech is mostly flavour text for xp
@danielsurvivor13724 ай бұрын
@@CyborgCharlotte Charisma is dump stat in NV because it has almost no charisma checks to talk down ppl, you dont need charisma for pacifist or diplomat playthrough go check out videos showcasing all Charisma checks, theres almost none of them. Though Charisma in NV is still better then in Fallout one, in NV charisma buffs companions dmg and defence while in first fallout charisma is literally useless
@theguybehindyou4762 Жыл бұрын
Courier: General Lanius. You’re shorter than I expected. Lanius: Your tribes will make a fine addition to my collection!
@Ostr02 ай бұрын
**Proceeds to beat Lanius to death with a stick**
@theguybehindyou47622 ай бұрын
So uncivilized.
@Ostr02 ай бұрын
@@theguybehindyou4762 Unga Bunga lmao
@blackdragon5274 Жыл бұрын
New theory: Joshua Graham burned his hands cooking marshmallows one day, and made up an elaborate story to avoid embarrassment. Evidence? His in game model is only burnt on the hands. Caesar and the Legion just tell stories about him cause they're good friends.
@poliohead5185 Жыл бұрын
But Hey That’s Just A THEORY
@jamesgrisham68273 ай бұрын
And he was a good friend
@swazaaa Жыл бұрын
i was hyped to fight him and when he started to lose he tried running away. Did NOT live up to the legend.
@june99149 ай бұрын
Tactical retreat There’s only so much you can do two make a multi phase boss battle in fallout though
@DeadManSinging13 ай бұрын
Thats because most of what you hear about him is BS. Propaganda from both the Legion and the NCR.
@bigbeau17583 ай бұрын
@@DeadManSinging1 Yeah because the guy who is 7 feet tall and as strong as a supermutant is totally propaganda, right?
@azurewraith25853 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly he is supposed to retreat, heal himself then come back to fight but his ai is buggy
@swazaaa3 ай бұрын
@@azurewraith2585 oh i didn't know that. he never gets too far once he starts running.
@Yannis1a Жыл бұрын
I don’t think he is an actor but just a normal member of the legion and Caesar has mystified his origin to making a living myth, similar to how Roman emperor would try to claim their were descendants of Emperors, gods or saint, or that were part of a prophecy or were part of a miracle Like emperor Basil I who claim descend for Constantine, that the Bulgarian Khan told him as a kid he will become a great ruler one day and that a priest was visited by an angel so he would give shelter to young Basil when he was homeless in Constantinople, but in reality he was a very charismatic wrestler that became very popular, became friends with the emperor, convinced him to named him co-emperor to help him rule and then killing him and took the empire I wouldn’t be surprised he was just a kid that was raised by the legion and rose through the ranks like a normal legionary
@dylanmorgan2752 Жыл бұрын
Yh it’s your classic foundation type myth where you were always pre-destined for greatness bc of your made up backstory. Everything about the Romans was embellished by themselves down to their very conception being turned into the battle of brothers raised by a wolf, after they ripped off the entire Odyssey. Guess you get to write the histories when you win all the battles
@LegiamasC-OnTwitta Жыл бұрын
I’m leaning into that, prolific legion members seem to have some myth behind them, including Joshua and Ulysses
@bigbeau1758 Жыл бұрын
He's hardly normal, tho. He's 7 feet tall, superhumanly strong, and a master statesman. It's more likely he was never in the legion as a kid and ceaser found him perhaps as a mercenary or otherwise and began grooming him as a successor
@ATHLETIC_FEMBOY11 ай бұрын
@@bigbeau1758Point still kinda stands though. If Lanius truly grew up in the legion and just happened to be tall. Then it would make sense that Caesar or someone high ranking would notice him, due to his height and strength of course.
@bigbeau175811 ай бұрын
@Nick-yg5kg But he's not just tall and strong. He's superhuman. He's not 6 foot 5 or something, but 7 feet tall. Especially in a malnourished wasteland environment, that's exceptional. And he wields a sword meant mostly for supermutants. Allthewhile being a tactical genius with a brilliant grasp on stewardship. The odds of him being an incredibly strong giant genius who happened to be born in the legion at the right time are exceptionally low
@John-wf5dm3 ай бұрын
Ah yes the guy who can eat my 50 cal sniper shots
@ST0AT Жыл бұрын
"Is this Legate Lanius in the room with us?"
@muramasasedge5443 Жыл бұрын
I never noticed his mask has scars.
@PcGamerify5 ай бұрын
Well that implies he was attacked at least
@Jean-ClaudeGodDamn Жыл бұрын
Legate Lanius could be a title given to the best soldier of the Legion
@mjkrh Жыл бұрын
Legate...... but Lanius? Lol
@Gods_good Жыл бұрын
@@mjkrhif you ask legate lanius while doing the legion ending you can ask him what lanius means and he will tell you butcher which he earned from his battles
@f1shze4lot Жыл бұрын
Yes, and title "President Joe Biden" is given to best president
@Gods_good Жыл бұрын
@@f1shze4lot don't make this political
@moomoomajesticmoose3734 Жыл бұрын
@@f1shze4lotmake this political
@159tony3 ай бұрын
I'd believe this if I didn't know that this man is actually built like a brick shit house with his stats.
@khrashingphantom9632 Жыл бұрын
This tracks considering the fact we see The Legion's willingness to lie about the fate of Joshua Graham. The difference is The Burned Man's tale is real. Lol. I like this theory a lot.
@Starving_indev Жыл бұрын
I mean, Joshua fleed, I would not say they are lying about him, from Cesar's perspective he is dead, he most likely bever new he was survived And the tales from him perspective are just tales that soldiers do tell for some reason
@khrashingphantom9632 Жыл бұрын
@@Starving_indev Yeah not quite. The whole "dead to Caesar" thing IS possible, but not entirely genuine since he still sends scouts and assassins after him none of which return. He also suppresses any stories about "The Burned Man" amongst his people and becomes agitated if you mention him and even goes as far as to tell you not to do so.
@Starving_indev Жыл бұрын
@@khrashingphantom9632 ah, well, I somehow forgot about the assassins
@ichabodthecrane3 ай бұрын
I mean if you torched a guy and threw him into the grand canyon, I'd imagine you'd lie to your men that he's truly dead just so they're not shitting brix
@khrashingphantom96323 ай бұрын
@@ichabodthecrane Just goes to show Caesar isn’t truly the one to be feared from The Legion, but Graham even though he’s no longer apart of it. Torched and exiled the strongest among them for losing a battle of impossible odds. The kind of idiocy tracks pretty well for Caesar. Lol
@talonj8116 Жыл бұрын
I think lanius was made up by Caesar after grahms defeat. Why would you ever put Joshua in charge if you have Lanius on the back burner. Especially because Lanius is WAYYY more Roman.
@written_and_recited Жыл бұрын
Oh our greatest warrior failed us... nah man I got like, an even cooler warrior and he butchered his whole tribe single handedly at like twelve and like, is super roman, and carries a big ass word, and is super cool and scarred and shit... trust me guys he's real
@andraakmalmaulidani1793 Жыл бұрын
I tought Caesar find Lanius after Graham's defeat, and even if it isn't Joshua was literally one of the founding father of Caesar's Legion and I think the lack of Romans in him is just to tell Edward how stupid his Roman's fantasy are...
@martinescobar3908 Жыл бұрын
@@andraakmalmaulidani1793nah, the battle of Hoover Dam ocurred when Caesar had conquered every tribe he could, but for the second, they have been "integrated"
@blackwoodsecurity531 Жыл бұрын
Because Joshua was smart, and an effective military strategist (until they were fighting an enemy of significant strategic might and logistical power) Lanius is just an individually great warrior. He is given a doctrine and executes it to the last drop of blood. Joshua retreated when it was clear they wouldn't survive further pressure across the other side of the dam, Lanius would have wiped out all of his own men and doomed the legion trying to maintain momentum.
@youraveragescotsman7119 Жыл бұрын
@@blackwoodsecurity531 I wouldn't call the NCR of Hoover Dam logistically equal to the Legion. The NCR would realistically roflstomp the Legion if they could bring their full might down. The I-15 is their big bottleneck, while the Legion has an easier situation since their rigid survival training for living off the land leads to needing less caravans filled with supplies, and they don't need to worry about the NCR infiltrating their backline and wrecking shit.
@ZombifiedNappa Жыл бұрын
Well, to be fair, he wouldn’t fighting in the battle until the end because that’s how they fight. They send the least experienced first, then the normal troops, working their way up to the most experienced and elite fighters, ready to take out the battered and tired enemy forces.
@circeciernova1712 Жыл бұрын
"He can be defeated through a series of speech checks" I guess The Master didn't exist either
@Beastlango2 ай бұрын
The Master is not a mythical brute with only a lust for blood, very different
@ioele1000 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps Caesar was grooming Lanius to be the next successor to him, given that he knew he was going to die eventually. Even without a doctor to treat his cancer Caesar looks pretty old, so I think an heir would be a possibility. It would also give an excuse to bring back the legion in the next game if based on that area. Hopefully better and stronger than before. Ave.
@MichiganGunNut Жыл бұрын
If Maxon can kill a death claw at 13 I think being able to kill a tribe you where once apart of is also possible.
@sergeantdornan Жыл бұрын
Him being the same person or not doesn't matter, what does matter is the fact that he's a symbol for the legion. It could be a completely different guy all together but at the end of the day the idea of Linnaeus is supposed to strike fear in the hearts of the NCR
@alexturnbackthearmy19073 ай бұрын
Also he is still crazy strong, so it doesnt matter if you believe it or not: If you are not main character, you aint walking away from dude.
@imperialcityguard2509 Жыл бұрын
For the age dilemma, i think its not that he personally killed his tribe, rather that he tricked or led his tribe into an ambush at the behest of the legion, or another party
@gitmoyt Жыл бұрын
I remember hearing a theory that Lanius is actually a role that has been filled by multiple people, and that's the real reason he never removes his mask.
@jamesd4223 Жыл бұрын
I love that Lanius’ back story is left unclear. I always figured the truth was that he was just a good soldier who became known for his combat prowess. The tall tales started growing due to the Legions many confirmed atrocities so Caesar rolled with it to create an even bigger boogeyman.
@benthebamboozler4104 Жыл бұрын
Lanius: I will crucify you facing west, so that you may watch the rest of your home fall. [SPEECH 100] Nah son Lanius: foiled again
@aureliansmask3502 Жыл бұрын
Lucius and Caesar's stories can work together, although Lanius would have to be a pretty incredible 11-12 year old. What really confuses me is Joshua Graham never knowing of Lanius before he took his job and Ulysses being unsure whether Lanius is 1 person
@TheSnakemanOfTheNorthwest4 ай бұрын
Legate Lanius was 11-12 when he wiped out his tribe, is still 12-13 now, (and since he's such a recent addition, that's where Joshua's lack of intel comes from), and just hops on the shoulders of another kid to look taller
@Bloodletter8 Жыл бұрын
It could be a case of the legend simply taking flight on its own and Edward Sallow allowing it to yo happen simply to inspire fear.
@400889222 ай бұрын
the lack of facial scars are definitely a technical thing. let's remember Ulysses' entire head is actually a mask
@samkleinke Жыл бұрын
Lanius canonically has facial scars
@rogerloger19353 ай бұрын
LMAO muh Canon
@FriendlyGoblinWasTaken3 ай бұрын
@@rogerloger1935 But its true, wasn't added due to engine limitations
@rogerloger19353 ай бұрын
@@FriendlyGoblinWasTaken Show me,dont tell. Seem like a major cope.
@drivernephi1002 Жыл бұрын
My 100 barter courier: “war expensive, go home”
@cosmicfails20533 ай бұрын
The idea of a "Legate Lanius" Mantle seems interesting, the idea of a sort of pseudo-immortal figure that maybe the legion knows is not quite the real deal, but is used to strike fear into the NCR
@thelootfinder8960 Жыл бұрын
“are we to believe someone under twelve killed his entire tribe?” Bro never heard of Itachi
@Thraakull Жыл бұрын
In wars and almost any conflicts, fear is the strongest weapon, and it can be used in many ways, for instance to obtain a territory. I think that his background story is like most of the stories of historical figures - fine tuned so that it will portray someone to be feared.
@Ios13056 Жыл бұрын
Lanius can simply be built different which explains why someone younger than 12 decimated a whole tribe
@alexturnbackthearmy19073 ай бұрын
He is, if FEV ever touches them we will have new Frank.
@Gone_Postal16 күн бұрын
“Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword probably never met automatic weapons” -DAZW SMG (Dead Ahead Zombie warfare)
@jamesduffy75493 ай бұрын
In my head canon, a legion run ends with you being killed and everything you did gets attributed to Lanius
@Elizabean19843 ай бұрын
If you play as a Woman you're literally put on their Pantheon... but aight.
@jamesduffy75493 ай бұрын
@Elizabean1984 yeah I've always found it really weird they'd publicly undermine their doctrine like that
@Elizabean19843 ай бұрын
@@jamesduffy7549 Caesar needs more bodies for the army. being a female warrior that won the entire war for them and saved their leader from certain death gets women some cred. It was also in Caesar's best interest to make you a "Daughter of Mars" as it paves the way for women to join the ranks.
@zandernewson9933 Жыл бұрын
I don’t actually see any of these contradictory - he isn’t facially scarred because the Legion mostly don’t see him, and Caesar uses this as a means to keep his mask on. A strong 12 year old can kill as good as weak 20 year old.
@flaggy185 Жыл бұрын
Lets remember that Lanius haves 100 skill in guns...
@technicallyafox Жыл бұрын
No im sorry, strong or not, theres simply no way a 12 year old bested his entire tribe of largely adults lol thats ridiculous
@flaggy185 Жыл бұрын
@@technicallyafox not gonna use a example because that would be Bad for everyone
@technicallyafox Жыл бұрын
@@flaggy185 har har but we were talking raw strength here lol
@uberd3323 Жыл бұрын
@@Raymations In a tribal society, 12 year old Lanius would definitely be experienced with a weapon at that point. As for size and strength, when I was 7 years old there was this huge Samoan kid in my class in the same age range as me named Bradley that was as tall as the teacher, and Lanius is a massive guy, so I could see Lanius being able to overpower a few wounded adult warriors after the battle was over assuming he was still a pretty large guy at that age.
@jankemjunkie6564 Жыл бұрын
The speech check option against lanius is so much more satisfying, you really feel like everything you’ve learned comes into play for once
@rogerloger19353 ай бұрын
(100 speech) Is not a high bar to Do.
@DoritoBagWilkins2 ай бұрын
His in-game face looks like banjo music plays whenever he draws near.
@alansmit91983 ай бұрын
Therapist: Lagate Lanius isn't real he can't hurt you! Legate Lanius: - TOSSES MAILMAN DOWN THE HILL.
@necrocat9514 Жыл бұрын
I think there are multiple Legate Lanius the name and Mask is given to a man and all the terrible things he does become part of the Legend if they die they are stripped of the Name and Armor goes to the next Man that way Legate Lanius's Legend grows and can never die, the enemies of the Legion will only know to fear him
@TheHct123 Жыл бұрын
Oh man, I dig on this theory - it falls in line well with how the Legion are basically just the usual bunch of jumped-up fascists buying into their own hype. The idea that even their terrifying juggernaut is just a facade is just *chef's kiss*. Also, it makes sense in another way - if Lanius is just a character, he can be played by anyone and continue to be a propaganda tool for the Legion.
@wasabcwasabc Жыл бұрын
Lol, this is the most lefty comment I've ever heard. Lanius is 7 feet tall, how many 7 feet men of massive frame in your life do you know? What's more likely is that Casear created the myth around Lanius himself intentionally to be more "legendary", he's a literal representation of Mars on earth to the legion, even Casear obscures his own history to make him see more mythic. Lanius as a character is a brute first and foremost, he shows no mercy especially not to failure and will lash out in rage when he deems necessary I.e cutting the traders brahmin in half for getting in his way, decimating the legion for underperfoming, making human sacrifices to Mars before the hoover damm. But he's also known for being an exceptional commander who has never lost a singe battle and has a great mind for warfare, deeply understands logistics, and is very eloquent in his speech despite being a characterised as a brute. Also, the legion don't need to "buy into their own hype" when they're the most prosperous faction in the region , assimilated 87th tribes in warfare, without the courier's intervention they beat the NCR with ease, the same NCR who can barely achieve anything themselves and solely rely on you the player character to remotely get themselves a chance of winning. At least understand the game before you start inserting your political agenda into things.
@girf4233 Жыл бұрын
@@wasabcwasabcyou complain about a "lefty" and then write the most insecure bitch comment known to man
@vaevictis2789 Жыл бұрын
@@wasabcwasabcthey are not most prosperous faction bro. I dont know where you get such ridicilous idea. The mere safety of trade routs is not an argument
@vaevictis2789 Жыл бұрын
@@Raymations 20% of people? Top technology of Mighty Caesar himself is half broken autodoc. While NCR elites can have hecking vertibird rides
@wasabcwasabc Жыл бұрын
@@vaevictis2789 They're the most prosperous in terms of long term stability in the REGION. The NCR in comparison is extremly decadent with their collapsing currency, the elite have a monopoly on the most prosperous forms of business. Maybe they Legion has less overalls wealth but are they more prosperous? Certainly.
@jorvon4000017 күн бұрын
Woah the Legendary mythical warrior has legends and myths about his life
@9-bitfox3 ай бұрын
"Are we really to believe someone at the age of 12 was able to decimate his whole Tribe?" °Itachi has entered the Chat°
@bluejay7071 Жыл бұрын
The lack of face scarring is what really makes me question it. Sure, it could be for technical reasons, but they specifically let you remove his helmet, even though the game is about to end. They originally wanted post game content, but then again you could not remove the rest of the legate's armor if I recall. This makes it feel like they specifically wanted you to see his face. Idk i might be reading too far into it.
@Stone016 Жыл бұрын
The devs have confirmed its technical reasons
@Justanormalguy1337 Жыл бұрын
as someone the devs have said they wanted to put scars but couldn’t due to hardware limitations
@Starving_indev Жыл бұрын
You can take him helmet? Why I never knew?
@topiasnousiainen5258 Жыл бұрын
You're reading too far into it.
@thebigyes8482 Жыл бұрын
Your second point is moot, it IS for technical reasons as was confirmed by the developers. I’ve always thought this was an interesting theory, but fallout fans have a really, really hard time understanding the concept of the unreliable narrator.
@THEPISSPALADINАй бұрын
*"I have found that whoever wields the sword decides who holds the pen."*
@Steel-101 Жыл бұрын
That’s the main problem I have with the finale. Taking down this “barbaric crazy warrior”(Who hates failure) with a speech check. In my opinion I think this scene would be better: if you didn’t destroy Caesar in the fort, you would have to fight him and Lanius. However you’re able to use a speech check against Caesar. Now if you killed Caesar in the fort before the final battle, obviously only Lanius will talk to you but speech checks cannot be used against him. He would want to fight you right away. It would be like a Frank Horrigan battle. You would have options in battle not in a dialogue box.
@ramiromen6595 Жыл бұрын
Yeah and the fact that the legion ending has him just being a monster in the Mojave detracts from the “actor” theory. I agree with your version of the ending
@Steel-101 Жыл бұрын
@@ramiromen6595 Hey thanks! I can’t take full credit for this because another Fallout fan helped me come up with this idea. We pretty much combined our ideas. Which was pretty fun Lol 😂
@Steel-101 Жыл бұрын
@@ramiromen6595 Plus I do have one more idea that would give Lanius a little more connection to the Courier. Do you remember the slaughter of Nipton? Well I think Lanius should’ve been the one to attack the town not Vulpes. Then he would give you this terrifying threat(in a very mocking voice. Because he has the power). “Go ahead try and stop me. It would be entertaining for me but vicious for you. Or be our errand boy and spread the news of the destruction of Nipton”(which would start the quest cold cold heart). Now that would have been a terrifying introduction to the main villain(kind of like Vaas from Far Cry 3). I think this idea would encourage the player to know that we have to prepare for the final battle because this guy is no joke.
@written_and_recited Жыл бұрын
I kinda viewed it as an interesting twist. The supposedly intellectual and intelligent leader being too nlinded by his ego to consider defeat or retreat, whereas the one who's hyped up as a brute time and time again is revealed to think more tactically and logically. However I do see how that can kinda be a bit odd
@Steel-101 Жыл бұрын
@@written_and_recited Well the thing is we do learn that Lanius is a genius on the battlefield. We know that he isn’t a brainless warrior. But we do know that he completely hates failure(the name Joshua Graham just brings the worst out of Lanius and Caesar) and he doesn’t back down from a challenge. That’s why I mentioned this ending idea. I Think it falls in line with both characters. Plus another example is how both characters handled chief Hanlon & the Enclave . Lanius crucified him but Caesar lets him live. Lanius chooses to waste manpower on pursuing the enclave but Caesar decides to not pursue them. You do see key differences In both characters with these small details.
@Ozymandias66_63 ай бұрын
YOU TALK ABOUT EVERY SINGLE FAN THEORY THAT IVE EVER HEARD OF
@theblackcoat46158 ай бұрын
Courier: [SPEECH 100] Man you wanna do this some other time? Lanius: Certainly. *sonic-runs off to the East.*
@Skelegoblin3 ай бұрын
Counterpoint: He will demonstrably fuck you up
@Martin-rb4np3 ай бұрын
Lanius is just the idea that getting rid of a baddy only allows room for an even bigger baddie to appear.
@breloopharos19193 ай бұрын
This theory is as well structured as a house made of just leafs and straws.
@nickdierking9809 Жыл бұрын
If the Legion campaign had playable quests where you worked with Lanius it would have been dope. His voice and character model is so cool
@rustyfisher208110 ай бұрын
Even if he's just hyped up by the legion, he still has mad combat skills
@brando19192 ай бұрын
I think the counterpoint is how hard the boss fight is
@namelessstranger1270 Жыл бұрын
Have you actually fought him? He's basically a nine-foot tall Deathclaw with a giant sword. If he's a fraud under his helmet; he's a 100% beefcake of a fraud.
@ultimablue97783 ай бұрын
Mr. Anderson....did you get my package? No? Well shit I sent 6 of them!
@patrickleismann6333 ай бұрын
Yeah, the thing about the scars is according to the devs a rendering issue.
@wastelandblunts Жыл бұрын
My 100 Medicine Courier: "look bro Caesar has ass cancer and is gonna die tomorrow, just go home big dawg."
@ShiningEternity3 ай бұрын
Usually when a character in the story has a mask like this, it is usually something passed down by to someone else who carries on the legend/story.
@InkedPunjabi2 ай бұрын
I mean, he wouldn’t be leading the legion’s army if he wasn’t that guy.
@donseavey3704 Жыл бұрын
All i ever wanted was a post game ending so I can put his helmet on my nightstand
@freedom-man2 ай бұрын
The legate became dust after i launched a missile silo at him via the more perks mod
@gabrielarkangelo3 ай бұрын
Well.. he is still capable of killing a deathclaw with a melee weapon. Fake or not, the boy is a beast.
@ethan5204272 ай бұрын
He’s probably just a savage but when he dies Cesar just appoints a new savage to dawn the armor
@mdolfjitler98333 ай бұрын
Bethesda: instructions unclear *retcons Legate Lanius*
@MrSw3rls3 ай бұрын
Tbf # 2 is like saying that the subway system doesn't exist because it's a dude with a subway hat on
@andrewsilva972111 ай бұрын
If we weren't meant to see his unscarred face, I doubt they would let us take off his helmet.
@cherandshane26833 ай бұрын
Just remember, almost all villains can be convinced to give up, ALMOST all, there is one... lets just say... "time to die mutie."
@spearshake47712 ай бұрын
For an actor he can take a hell of a lot punches before going down
@johnnychuck32122 ай бұрын
Idk man some of the middle schoolers I've seen at work, I fully believe there are some physical anomaly 6' kids that can take out a group of grown men with a knife.
@pookumz123 Жыл бұрын
Not gonna.lie, defeating lanius with 100 speech is one of my favorite things in the game. New vegas was an AMAZING role playing game
@MyAramil Жыл бұрын
I mean, the courier is one dangerous being. Of course this man would not want to fight the courier
@marcosperez6962 Жыл бұрын
My theory is that he is real in a way,legate lanius is a sort of heritage name and charge,there have been many lanius,and this is a secret know only to them and cesar
@user-rh1dj3yi1h Жыл бұрын
One who says the pen is mightier than a sword has never swung a word
@celticfox3 ай бұрын
If the pen is mightier than the sword, why do actions speak louder than words, Courier?