He hyped up the race and said nice things because he knows he didn’t want any problems in person. Straight up bitch move; stand on what you said, don’t try and be nice to them now, it’s too late.

thats way too much, TLDR

There's nothing to admire. It has nothing to do with "class" but good manners. Unless you have some personality disorder(s) or have the brain of a child, it's a common good behavior to not trash talk on something only because you were not part of it. Or do you think Jeff if a narcissist? We are not bitches, so no bitch talk. In addition, if somebody is able to get personal and talk bad in public about a person he should be able to publicly say something good when there is something good to say. We should all act like grown ups. Aside from that, Wiliams and Legion are two different things. They are used synonymous. When you hate the Wiliams brothers there is no need to hate the complete team and anything they do. One could argue that hate isn't a healthy emotion at all. In fact, hate is considered a mental disease by psychologists that needs to be cured. Just think about how miserable hate makes you feel. The subject can shrug it off but you can't. It will eat your guts and soul and makes you a grumpy fart nobody likes because of the bad vibes. Laughing is healthy, a feel good emotion, that's why everybody loves to laugh and loves people that make them laugh. But it is how it is. And fact is that this project has a lot of potential to elevate crit racing in terms of relevance. How can you you not embrace this? It's only the kind of people that love trash talk, drama and boulevard style journalism to entertain them that are kind of disappointed that Jeff is not continuing to escalate the matter. It's just smart to let it go. In retrospective, all that happened was pretty much useless. It didn't change anything and it was never meant to change something. We were just witnesses of two people being angry at each other. Why should we care to join either side? At best we should tell them to stop it as it just distracts from our sport. I come here to consume some race related content, for information or entertainment. I don't consume this channel to watch Jeff being angry. I have my own troubles, I don't need to be involved with his. It doesn't make sense. We are not friends or family. I even never met him. So I don't care if he has feud with his neighbor because of their dog or whatever. Maybe Wiliams and Jeff won't become friends anymore (nothing is impossible), but let's hope they at least remain serious competitors that value each other as an athlete that shares the same passion for the same sport. That would be great for everybody, especially the community. Now we have to catch up with Jeff and stop the hate and bring the focus back to what matters the most and why we originally came here: the common love for crit racing.

Why didn't they invite him?

@@21tresi they're racist

@@21tresi NorCal has called them out on lack integrity in the last event they held (which they did invite him) including not paying out prizes; and they started beefing with Jeff when he also called out some unsportsmanlike conduct, race strategy, and general attitude in a collaborative podcast. Jeff being a nice guy openly and continues to praise Legion for what they do for cycling in the US, and refuses to engage in the direct beefing. But every time I see it I'm just like, "Just get with Jeff. He holds no grudge and will improve your image." At the same time, I don't want to see Jeff get entangled with Legion. An open lack of integrity is a sign of lack of integrity elsewhere.

I'm not saying he doesn't have the skills to do it, but commentating a live race is a helluva lot different than doing a race breakdown. Entirely different skill set.

@@SeraStaplzNorCal threw the first shots, and now he is kissing their ass? Nothing changed except NorCal realizing he is going to have to walk that all that tough talk, and he knows good and well he wasn’t going to back it up or stand on what he said in person. Classic bitch move. Talk crazy and tough online, but when it’s time be about it, switch up and try to befriend the same people you were spitting venom at so comfortably in your online safe place. SMH

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Here we go with this guy @PatrickLino. SMDH

legion also stacks the deck by making a bunch of composite teams that don't ride together much against their teams that has been riding together for years...

@@zzzwillzzz Not to mention bringing in U.S. Road National Champ Luke Lamperti to ride for their team even though he's a Soudal Quik-Step rider.

i dog them at every race while they sit alone away from everyone. theyre fuckin jokes.

Legion is really that petty?

@@Aviototheir leader openly made immature comments about the situation. Very petty

@@Aviotoyes 💀

Yes

Many many teams didn't get an invite. We will never know unless Jeff asks the promoter for an explanation.

... I mean, welcome to bike racing. Buy the legs you need to win.

​@@deadstump4970hiring for a day is not very common

@@Martin-ls9bz They said that the race is in its beta test phase and the invitations of UCI pros were to promote the format or events. The way criterium racing is in the US it is pretty much an amateur sport. They have to put all kind of categories together due to the lack of serious pro teams. It's a niche sport in the US. For the sake of our beloved sport we should be happy if this concept works and more UCI pro level athletes are going compete in this series in the near future. I really hope that criterium racing is finally gaining relevant public attention these days. Big names definitely help to attract international stars and attention. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Yep, clipped a pedal deep into that corner

​@@williamrhardinyeah i re-watched it and saw the contact. was blinded b the rear tire skidding! also great race, seriously. especially after a collarbone break so soon. that ending "wait you're moving up" 😂

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Thanks bro!

How do you know this or is this just speculation? I mean there can be many reasons why do you know what you say is the actual reason?

@odbikedog, Legion could have easily invited Jeff and then punked him in front of everyone for his keyboard warrior shit talking. And Jeff would have done absolutely NOTHING about but stand there and take it because he is not built like that, he is not a tough guy like he talked on the computer. Legion did the right thing by not inviting him because if they did, someone could have justifiable beat his ass for talking shit on the internet knowing he is soft and not going to back it up.

Hey dude - IF much? Lol Not reactionary at all. @@mindfreebodyfree5770

So much rage. Be better.@@colehaans2863

@@colehaans2863 are you 15 years old

this one was free. you didn't get invited?

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Miss you too Tuan!

It looked like he struck a pedal to me.

@@lolbubs11111Yup. Pedal points down and rear wheel goes up.

and, legion hires the crit national champ to race for them.

@@edwardkrasnai6488 gotta keep that sponsor money coming in... all looks good on social media and the reality is they are an instagram team at best

@@edwardkrasnai6488 They said it was to promote the series. They want to create the first all pro criterium league, hoping to attract UCI level athletes. I really don't care about Legion. i just hope the sport finally becomes professional enough to gain public relevance.

They said the event was a beta test. I guess they are aiming to establish a franchise in the likes of NFL, NHL, NBA etc. where all teams belong to the same organization by acquiring a license. It's a good system that usually establishes a salary cap to balance out the teams. We know that the European system of individual clubs is not working as it creates too much of an imbalance. Rich teams can buy all top riders and let them sit just to weaken other teams. I really hope we will get to see a pro criterium league one day. Any time soon, I can't wait.

We need it, but not under the ownership of one group. It would be better if existing teams are asked to join rather than ANOTHER new team being cretaed every year. @@mindfreebodyfree5770

They also did the last time. Did you know that Olivia Ray was disqualified after she was found guilty of doping? She has to pay back the prize money in order to hand it out to the second place, but she never did. She stole $15k. At least we know that they test riders.

Lol, everybody is in for the money. That's why they call themselves pro or semi-pro. Pro = Professional = Try to make a living = Money. So you are naive enough to believe that the NFL exists purely to entertain the bored masses? Or is it just a huge money making machine that sells sport as a product? Pro sport is always about money, nothing else. It's a job like any other.

@sureshot1109, I respect your opinion, and you may be correct. But now you have to stand on it. Don’t be like NorCal and next month sing Legion’s praises after they don’t invite you to race. If you believe they have zero integrity, then you should stay far away from them, not swing on their sacks afterwards like NorCal did.

@@colehaans2863 Leave Jeff alone on this one. He made a mistake the way he approached Wiliams and Legion. But it's absolutely fine if a person changes his mind. I was really disappointed by NorCal. I'm not a Legion fanatic, but NorCal acted ugly and dirty. Now I appreciate his change of attitude. This is a sport. It's about sport. it should be about sport and only sport. If you want to be taken serious you must be able to analyze a team or rider without any personal bias. You must be able to praise performances of athletes even if you don't like the person. He should not get himself involved into the business of anybody, because he lacks insight and expertise. From that point of view I highly appreciate the way Jeff behaves. This is more professional than getting involved with hate tirades against other athletes. He can do this in privacy. Back to business.

@@colehaans2863 Agreed, I didn’t like that NorCal still features and talks about them. There’s nothing Legion can do to earn my respect and support unless they kick off their founders/other dirty riders and show through time they’re not the same team.

@@mindfreebodyfree5770i’m not hating anyone, but as long as the narrative is “NorCal/Jeff is the good guy in the right” for now changing his tune because he wasn’t allowed to race,and Legion are the bad guys and bullies who were salty and mad and didn’t invite NorCal to race, i’m not letting it go cause thats bullshit what NorCal did. Legion is fighting an uphill battle due to all the negative press, suspensions, non-payment allegations, and they put on a bike race so people could have fun hang with friends etc. People don’t agree with the format fine, people don’t like Justin, fine, but i’m not gonna sit here and let it seem like NorCal also wasn’t wrong and did some bitch shit after the fact. I don’t hate NorCal, I don’t know him, just like I don’t know Justin. This isn’t about hate, it’s about setting a story straight so Legion just doesn’t get more negative press for trying to promote the sport we all love, while NorCal gets put on a pedestal after he was dead wrong.

USACrits was a points based series. Nothing new at all here in the US either. It's just about promotion and hype.

Yep, they split up some teams to be squads of 6

@@williamrhardin they have some great riders but Justin stacking the deck in their favor says a lot about the team

@@gmen1305 If you are faster you will win or cross the finishing line before them, it's that simple. Nothing changes. If your team has 50 members you would split it up, that's normal, isn't it? This is not cheating (because you kinda imply that this is cheating). Maybe there are not enough pro level teams. Maybe some other reason, who knows? Nobody asks so nobody knows. Ask, evaluate the fact based information, then judge. From what I read your implication that they all race as one team behind the scene is also a wrong implication. They genuinely compete against each other - they are different teams. You can tell from the race footage that they where not helping each other. So it was a fair race. Unless somebody was doped, the competition was fair. And let's not forget, this was a beta test event. Maybe the future events require teams to register by buying a license. This would even bring up the prize money.

gopros hero 9 through 12s in my videos. it's more about the settings though.

There is anti-doping at many of these events, they are random in their testing but do show up at many big races.

@@williamrhardin The problem often with USADA is they will show up and only test one guy, the winner. Unless they're targeting someone of course. Will in one of your videos a race was won by a guy who got popped 11 years ago and I think he's been tested a few times since. So you just never know I guess, but I wish they would check more people.

Did you know that Olivia Ray , the female winner of Into The Lion's Den who also initiated the shit storm, was disqualified after she was found guilty of doping? She has to pay back the prize money in order to hand it out to the second place, but she never did. She stole $15k. At least we know that they test riders. She was stripped of all her titles before and after that race. She was doping for years. Now we can understand why she couldn't wit for her check. Just grab the money and dash it out before she gets caught. Criminal.

@@mindfreebodyfree5770 lol didn't know that

@@mindfreebodyfree5770 I looked into it, I didn't know all the stuff that went on with the fist fights and taking someone out in Colorado. Sounds like age is catching up with him and he is going all in with rough riding to make up with loss of speed.

@@MorgusVR See how biased this topic is? People act like Legion is the dangerous foul apple that is about to infect and rotten our sport. There are far more malicious people out there that don't get any recognition (not talking about "the hate"). Even when those malicious people are directly linked to the referenced Legion event. No shit storm. No hate tirades. Just nobody cares. But everybody cares about the black Wiliams brothers. Very biased. So obvious.

@@mindfreebodyfree5770 are you a bot or did chatgpt write that?

yep! hear it was just a few eyebrow stitches

Just some stitches!

The only thing that died is his ego 🤣

@onglenghin, because he talked hella shit about them and tried to expose them. They don’t fuck with NorCal after that. If he wanted to race in their series, he should have either kept his mouth shut, or been a man and had a private conversation in person with them - which he wouldn’t because he knows he can only act tough online since he knows he would get violated if he disrespected one of them in person. NorCal chose the bitch route, it is what its.

FACTS!! PREACH!

I wrote a long comment in another video to Jeff about this. I told him that Legion doesn't respect you, doesn't mention you or Mike's Bikes in their videos, yet he continues to play off them for clicks. It's getting sad.@@colehaans2863

lol...he pays people to do that.

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That would spice it up!

You sound disappointed 😞

@jackal6234, it’s the other way around, Legion doesn’t fuck with NorCal. He pulled a bitch move, and now thinks sucking up with get him back in good graces. NorCal should just apologize in person, man to man, not post stuff on the internet about, and move on.

@@colehaans2863 This is a very polarizing issue. If you hate legion and adore NorCal you need some personality in order to stay objective and be able to criticize the person you idolize in favor of the person you hate. That's justice. Most are infantile and are always biased towards their idol. They don't realize that. It's the way the brain works, how it filters reality. You can only be objective if are self-conscious enough.

They did

Anyone but L390210

What do you think why we are here? To celebrate the efforts of legion to finally get a professional criterium league going or because of our expectation that Jeff is going to bash Legion again so that we can join the party one more time? We read "NorCal", then read "Legion", then come to watch Jeff ranting against Legion. Hate is an incredibly hungry beast. It feeds of his owner's soul and prospers in an environment of more hate. This time Jeff was just cool. Not because he praised Legion, but because he didn't fed the beast. He left the beasts of his community starving this time.

Maybe he could just make a video about a real race that doesn't even mention Legion. Wouldn't that be amazing. @@mindfreebodyfree5770

It could work if it weren't owned by 2 groups.