Leica Q3 Honest Review. As Bad As The M11?
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Timecodes
0:00 - intro
1:47 - the lens
3:59 - the sensor
5:08 - the design
5:49 - the build quality
6:58 - some flaws
8:51 - the evf
9:35 - the shutter
10:33 - the flipscreen
11:37 - the battery
12:48 - the I/O
13:40 - the software
15:35 - exposure & wb
16:22 - leica looks
17:20 - UI & responsiveness
18:26 - the touchscreen
19:32 - the video features
20:20 - conclusion
22:00 - outro
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. 🙌 Do you have a Leica Q3, and has it met your expectations?
@GastonShutters 5 ай бұрын
Own Q3, M11, M11 and M11M and I have to say that my cameras perform good. I probably had the freezing issue with all of them combined 4 times. Remove and replace battery and it goes back to normal. How ever I wouldn’t get a Q3 as getting the best compact camera out there. I think an A7C R would give you much more versatility and cost you a fraction of the Q3 even when you need to buy lenses for it. The M11 system has been my main system now after years of owning various Sony bodies
@barcostudio 4 ай бұрын
I had a launch Q and I loved it BUT the battery was awful. I sold it and got an MP (240) and love it.
@hanshomesteading1276 4 күн бұрын
I have a Q since 2016 and now I am contemplating between this camera and a Fuji GRX 50s ii with 45mm F/2.8 lens. I am very undecided. If there is anything that holds me back and go for the Leica is the 'tricks' that Leica does. For instance with the battery. At least with the Q you could by a Panasonic battery which was as good as the Leica battery. Its not about the money, its about the principle.
@MurrayMcMillan73 28 күн бұрын
Having shot a Q2 for two years as ‘my camera’ alongside my Sonys which only get used for work, I fell in love with it. I sold the Q2, and got an X100vi, as I’d loved the previous version, the V. A day in, I knew I’d made a massive mistake, and although I tried to like it, I sold it and got the Q3, and I’ve never been happier with a camera. If I didn’t have weddings, I’d sell the lot and just have the Q3. You mention GFX, I’ve had one- and nothing, nothing compares to the Q3. Flip screen is great, EVF is brilliant,it’s just , for me- perfect.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 13 күн бұрын
I can totally understand that you didn't like the X100VI since it is very different from the Q. The Q is superior in every way. I shot my very first wedding mostly with the Q3. :D It was a lot of fun, but you really do need a good side camera.
@MurrayMcMillan73 13 күн бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel I’d loved the V, but that was before the Q2.
@stuartblink 3 ай бұрын
Favourite quote from video “For €6000 you take what you get”. This is my first time watching your channel. Very impressed with your observations and humour.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, I'm glad someone noticed the joke! I sometimes wonder if most people even pick up on the more subtle jokes.
@sharex21 Ай бұрын
Tested the Q3 in store yesterday with 2.0.1 firmware. It's still slow to turn on/off. On takes 3 seconds, off around 7 seconds. Wifi app connection requires tapping 2-3 times before it connects without an error. Delete button from the menu didn't work (only touchscreen delete worked). There are quite a lot of problems for such an expensive camera. Strangely, both Q1 and Q2 both turn on/off within a 1-1.5 seconds.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel Ай бұрын
Yeah, the Q3 is really not the fastest camera to power on and off. Strangely, for me, turning it off sometimes took more than 10 seconds. I think it somehow gets stuck on the SD card. Unfortunately, you can't test it since the camera doesn't have integrated storage. Anyway, Leica still has many errors to fix before all the kinks are ironed out.
@Micardi12 3 ай бұрын
Wonderful, thorough review. The humor makes it a *great* video review. 😄
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
Appreciate that! Thank you for watching and supporting!
@genobambino 14 күн бұрын
Great video! Can you tell me which autofocus settings you chose for Street and Wedding photography?
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 13 күн бұрын
Thank you very much. I always use Aperture Priority. Minimum shutter speed outside is 1/500, minimum aperture is 5.6. AF-S without Eye AF. With Sony, it's basically the same, but I use AF-C with box tracking or eye tracking.
@cris_photography 4 ай бұрын
great color grading on your images - love it
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
Haha, thank you for that! Appreciate you watching!
@tobis2265 5 ай бұрын
Danke für das Review. Ist das bei 08:16 eine X-T5? Kommt da noch ein Vergleich? Würde gerne unbearbeitete Dateien im Vergleich zum "Leica Look" der Q3 sehen. Finde bei KZfaq dazu keine Videos.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
gern, also es kommt ein sicherlich ein X-T5 Video, aber keines im Vergleich zur Q3 weil ich die Q3 nur als Leihgerät hatte. Ich hatte die neuen Leica looks mit dem NAT Profil verglichen das ist auch das einzige was ich dazu anbieten kann. bzw die einzigen unbearbeiteten JPG files. Alle anderen Bilder sind bearbeitete RAWs aber das ist sicherlich nicht was du meintest oder?
@tobis2265 5 ай бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel Danke für die Rückmeldung. Ich hätte mich deutlicher ausdrücken sollen. Mir geht es in erster Linie, wie die RAW Dateien bei beiden hinsichtlich Farbgebung aussehen und wie viel man bearbeiten muss, um einen ausgeglichen natürlichen Look hinzubekommen. Oft hört man ja, das die Leica DNGs nicht viel bearbeitet werden müssen und klasse aussehen. Was mich bei Leica anspricht ist, dass man die Tiefen ziemlich pushen kann, ohne die Farben der DNGs negativ zu beeinflussen - zumindest hatte ich das bei einem Review so gesehen.
@lesterlefton7895 2 ай бұрын
What is the maker of your peak design strap. Looks interesting. I have a q3 and love it. Gave up on Sony, which i enjoyed, for a lighter more nimble camera that does everything g except telephoto shots.
@davidgalicia9945 2 ай бұрын
It looks to be Peak Design Leash Camera Strap (L-BL-3).
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
So I only use original Peak Design products. My go-to is the regular black PD leash and I also have the PD cuff. I only had the anchors taped with leather so they wouldn't scratch my M11. :D
@benjhaisch 5 ай бұрын
As someone who really wants a Q3 but *did* buy an M11, I’m still excited to watch this haha
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Oh hey Benj, the combination of M11 & Q3 would be the perfect Leica combo for you as a 28mm & 50mm shooter. I'm curious about your M11 video and whether you'll get a lemon like that or if your M11 works perfectly.
@benjhaisch 5 ай бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel the nerves are there 😬
@tomislavmiletic_ 5 ай бұрын
Yep, my Old X-H1 has sometimes frozen autofocus point, what's quickly solved with off-on leaver. However, my 5DmkIV sometimes freezes so hard I need to remove the battery and wait for cca. 10 seconds for the camera to be reset completely...
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Oh, okay, I think the issue with the Fuji is a regular bug. The Canon situation seems a bit odd to me and could possibly be attributed to aging, perhaps? I believe every camera manufacturer has to deal with getting all the bugs under control... and then there's Leica. lol
@tomislavmiletic_ 5 ай бұрын
Nope, my 5DmkIV does that from the wery begininng. To be fair that's a rare occasion, say every 4 to 5 months, but still, very irritating if it happens in the middle of a payed shoot...
@rumporridge1 4 ай бұрын
@@tomislavmiletic_sucks bro. My Canon 5DM4 was a tank. Flawless before I traded her in for a Leica SL2.
@07SATS 5 ай бұрын
Are these presets you used are coming straight from Camera? Which film simulation did you use?
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
I have a dedicated section in the video called 'Leica Looks,' where I have compared the new Leica looks side by side. Otherwise, all the images in the video use my own preset that I created for the M11 and Q3.
@NedChapman 5 ай бұрын
Great well balanced review. Covered all the positives and negatives I’ve experienced over the last 5/6 months. Would love a bit more control on the jpeg settings,WB shift or even being able to create my own “Leica looks” to upload.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Appreciate that! Yes, it would have been great to have a bit of access to the JPG tonemapping. I find it really unfortunate not to have access to the white balance either. Even Sony has already integrated that. Presumably, Leica simply doesn't want anyone to tamper with their colors and tonemapping.
@Tony16610 3 ай бұрын
Is there really no way to turn off the touchscreen at all? As a member of the big nose club, I always end up triggering touchscreens like that- starting from the Olympus EM5 days. Not a big deal if you can turn it off in a setting but not being able to sounds like a nightmare!
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
The M11 recently received an update that allows you to turn off the touchscreen. I think this will soon be available on the Q3 as well.
@iarosnaps 5 ай бұрын
4:19 I just gasped here. You never disappoint with blind tests
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, I already thought that it is the best proof of how impressive the combination of the objective and sensor is. ✌️
@junichinomura4810 5 ай бұрын
Nice honest review of leica Q3. And do you still have the leica m11 despite of your bad experience from it? Or it is rent? And how's it going the leica m11? After the 2.0.1 firmware update?
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, no, I returned my M11 in September. Just read the changelog for version 2.0. Good new features, especially the ability to finally deactivate the touchscreen. Maybe that version would have helped, but I rather doubt it. 🤷♂️
@junichinomura4810 5 ай бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannelthanks for your reply and also for your honest opinion on this video. What leica M series do you use right now? Thanks 🙏
@RikMaxSpeed 29 күн бұрын
Great video - I’m really happy with my Sony A7CR which has a variant of the same 60MP sensor, interchangeable lenses, and rock solid (if uninspiring) software. You’ve fixed my GAS and FOMO. 🎉
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 20 күн бұрын
You're welcome. 👌 I've also switched to the A7RV. Yeah, the software is really terrible. 😅
@Leicam10 5 ай бұрын
I feel like it’s wider than 28mm what’s your thoughts about it? And is the 35mm crop wider then 35? 🤔
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
I saw on Samuel Streetlife that the lens, in its uncorrected state, seems to be more like 26mm. In corrected JPGs, it should actually be around 28mm. In the side-by-side tests, at least, I had exactly the same field of view as the Nokton, so I would say it's pretty accurate at 35mm.
@Mowikan 5 ай бұрын
Great camera for traveling and more. Only downside is, changing focus point using the evf. I mis a joystick. D-pad sucks to change focus point. As you mentioned. Great video and i agree with your conclusion.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 4 ай бұрын
True, a small joystick would have made the whole thing even smoother. But Leica is Leica, after all. :D
@TankSlaping Ай бұрын
Just read through the Q3 manual and it does have a Touch AF on and off setting in the focusing menu. Does this not work for you?
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel Ай бұрын
Yes, Leica has finally managed to patch it into the camera with a firmware update. It probably annoyed not just me.
@macmac6479 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! I was thinking of getting the Sony A7CR with the 35mm GM for street. But in Germany that combo is about the same as the Q3. The feel of the camera would be much better with the Q3. Otherwise I shoot Nikon (Z8). I think I'll get the Q3 (unless the SL3 turns out to be very, very compact, but then I need an extra 2k for a cheap Summicron)
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
The SL 3 is going to be a literal brick. The SL2 was the heaviest camera I've ever held. In comparison, you hardly notice the Q3 on a strap. The A7CR and Q3 are already very different. I would only recommend the Sony if you need a system camera; otherwise, the Q3 is much better, especially because of the lens.
@Nicosalgadophotography 3 ай бұрын
Got this and pre ordering the sl3
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
Nice, then I wish you a lot of joy with the Q3 and SL3. 👌
@gothamindembaum 2 ай бұрын
What? The A7CR + 24mm FE G F2.8 surely is smaller than this Q3 lol. Did this video come out before that dropped?
@illicit008 2 ай бұрын
Sigma has a way older camera too that’s smaller.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
pxlmag.com/db/camera-size-comparison/68f63066-feb6b053_75d43589-t60 nope. Q3 is still smaller but they are comparable.
@RikMaxSpeed 29 күн бұрын
This is what I’m using, though in practice I’ve switched to a larger 35mm lens now, 24mm is simply too wide. But I was happy to see in this video that the Sony firmware, uninspiring though the UI may be, is way more solid and reliable than the Leica’s (not to mention better AF, and AI subject recognition, interchangeable lenses and configurability).
@VincentChia_online 2 ай бұрын
Q3 paired with an M11/50 is my event setup. Full stop. Excellent humorous review
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel Ай бұрын
Thank you very much. I would absolutely do the same. Great combo!
@Fortytwoflat 12 күн бұрын
I have a A sony a7rv for pro photo work with a ton of lenses. I pick up my leica everyday. There is something so easy about taking a great image with it
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 күн бұрын
I now also have an A7RV and I totally understand you. The Sony feels a bit soulless. A Leica is something completely different.
@Fortytwoflat Күн бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel Agreed. Although I do love the images the sony produces, and the lens selection is just incredible .
@robinbhairam7508 2 ай бұрын
Nice honest video thanks … though to be honest, I’m not too sure why I’m watching as it’s too late for me, I took the plunge and so far absolutely love it. Incidentally my batteries match the body? Finally, if I’ve learnt one thing so far on my Leica/Fuji/GR journey … you will definitely always find someone who has had an awful experience … I suppose that is why ‘art’ is arguably so reflective of life itself!
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
Of course, there are people like me who just happen to receive a faulty camera and others who have absolutely no problems. That's just how it is. But it seems to me that other manufacturers manage to handle it while Leica doesn't even know where the problem is coming from (which was confirmed to me by Wetzlar over the phone). Unfortunately, even at such high prices, I have to be picky. I just want to clarify for the people who are nitpicky like me. :D
@philipmode 5 ай бұрын
We’re only a tough audience because you set a high standard
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Translation: Haha, good point. Only the best jokes make it into the video........at least, I think so. lol
@davide88rn 5 ай бұрын
Ahahah 😂
@masterprintmaker 6 күн бұрын
has anybody here figured out how to set the Q3 up, so that AE is not locked via shutter button half press in AF/S mode ( p.117 Q3 manual )
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 күн бұрын
Sorry, I can't help with that. But you can ask in Leica forums; they usually know quite a lot about such questions.
@masterprintmaker Күн бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel the Leica Forum is a forum founded by members of Leica .... they do not want to talk about failures ... they call it " Leicabashing" and kick you off the forum :)
@bunyaadi 2 ай бұрын
My wish would be to get a Sl3. Something tells me the sensor tech and the lens mount/lenses are the biggest cost. Now all leica m11, q and sl are using the same sensor the plsying field is open.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
Theoretically, the SL3 is even more versatile to use since you can also use regular M lenses there in addition to the L lenses. But it's good that you now have the choice and the sensor no longer limits which camera you buy.
@mjbxxv 5 ай бұрын
Boah. Was für ein Review! 👏🏽 hast du gut geschlafen?
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
danke. 😄 Ja hab gut geschlafen auch wenn ich dachte das nach dem letzen Video Leica Schläger mich eines Tages aus dem Bett reißen würden . lol
@mjbxxv 5 ай бұрын
Bin nicht sicher, wenn dass in Wirklichkeit ist, oder ein Traum.. boah. Was hast du geraucht? Ich will es auch. 😂 gut gemacht Bruder. Ich liebe was du machst 👏🏽 Schlaf gut ne? 😅
@PaulB-gl1ix 3 ай бұрын
Nice... for me, the 28Lux on my M11P fills that gap... and gives me more options!!!
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, if I still had an M11 and a 28 lux, I wouldn't need a Q3 either. :D
@android_dreaming_of_sheep 5 ай бұрын
any updates on the m11?
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 4 ай бұрын
I returned the M11 to the dealer. I got the full price back due to warranty. However, I won't be getting a new one.
@bchoward0000 5 ай бұрын
Pretty sure the Kodak DC40 connected via old RS232 serial, not usb. I'm not sure what the actual first camera to sync via usb was (I'm excluding the logitech webcams), but possibly the Kodak DC240i which did feature usb syncing and came out around the time of the iMac...
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information. I really spent an hour trying to find an answer to that, but it's proving more difficult than I thought. The first "camera" with USB was a Logitech webcam, but I don't think that counts. If even three LLMs with internet access don't know, then apparently it's not really written anywhere on the internet. Maybe somewhere in a secret forum.
@ANKURBR 2 ай бұрын
I just don't get the idea of having a battery as part of the camera body and then call it weather-sealed!
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel Ай бұрын
Weather sealing is already provided with the batteries, but what's more important for the manufacturers is that they can sell these batteries for double or triple the price of comparable ones.
@avnidvyi 5 ай бұрын
wait，im sure you can turn off the touch focus function in the menu.
@gewglesux 4 ай бұрын
The M11 received an update not sure about the Q3
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 4 ай бұрын
At the M11, there was just an update, but the Q3 does not have the function at the time of the video.
@user-lj3xx8gc2c 3 ай бұрын
Hello, which country are you from? Because I want to learn English by watching your video
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
Hey, i'm from Germany. In fact, I'm writing everything in German and letting ChatGPT translate everything for me. That's definitely the fastest way.
@SummersSnaps 5 ай бұрын
FYI, for anyone confused also about the 60hz vs 120hz of the EVF, this is something you will likely only notice when panning the camera around, then you should see the difference. Statically you will not see a difference.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
You're right that one perceives the difference more in motion. However, I don't notice the difference not only in the Q3 but in any display, be it a camera, tablet, or smartphone. I'm probably just too old. lol.
@SummersSnaps 5 ай бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel Hehe... maybe it's just not a great 120hz EVF or something... I have a fairly strong background in pc gaming. I have 144hz and 165hz monitors and I have 60hz photography monitor. For me the difference is night and day (with these fast paced games). Even when I move my mouse cursor from my 165hz screen to the 60hz one you can see the cursor drag and jitter (vs super smooth on the fast hz displays).. But... if I leave the mouse cursor alone on either display you can't tell which monitor has the faster refresh rate. The hz thing is PURELY about motion and nothing else, no motion in the EVF or screen, no perceivable difference.
@MattWiener 5 ай бұрын
Seems to me like the Leica is an overpriced and quite limiting inferior camera if you know your way around more sophisticated camera bodies. While everyone loves the "looks" it just does not justify the Rolex pricing. Thanks for the honest review.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 4 ай бұрын
I was willing to pay the overpriced price if I had received a perfect camera for it. Even if it hadn't experienced freezes, there were software errors in the camera that should never happen in this price range. Well, I'll invest my money elsewhere then.
@illicit008 2 ай бұрын
Sony rules them all, they need their help or else their cameras wouldn’t have sensors.
@MattAllmand 2 ай бұрын
Mine work fine!
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
Very good. There are indeed many that work flawlessly.
@Gvacam1222 5 ай бұрын
Please avoid M11 based bodies and Q3 at all costs, i had 5 different bodies these last 2 years (3 m11, m11m, Q3 and recently m11p for 2weeks) ALL were plagged with freezes, crashes and slow downs (Q3 was the worst), i'll use my M lens collection with SL2-S until maybe a stable M12 is out
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
And I thought I had the worst luck since everyone else seems to have no problems... however, it looks like you're the biggest unlucky person. The way Leica is currently building their cameras, I think the M12 will be even more terrible than better.
@Gvacam1222 5 ай бұрын
My M back luck started with m8 broke sensor in 2009 , then in 2015 M9-p corrosion, 2018 M-a scratching film I have tons on picture I should start a praising blog someday 😂 best wishes for 2024🎉
@ibradeybunch 5 ай бұрын
My Q3 froze when I first got it but after the firmware update it never froze again
@gewglesux 4 ай бұрын
I must pay attention more I've never heard of any of these failures.
@johnkasianowicz6536 4 ай бұрын
I have not yet had a problem with my M11 (or my Q2 Monochrom, which I had for 2 years). The Leica store I purchased it from keeps track of this sort of thing and reportedly has had essentially no complaints (and everyone there of course uses lots of Leica kit).
@michaelj7069 3 ай бұрын
Amazing cameras but sold my Q after developing a hatred for the button to release the manual focus. There's no need for that process. Every lens out there does not need this to toggle from auto to manual focus.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
I think it has something to do with the fact that the Q doesn't just have focus by wire like every other lens where you simply flip the switch, but it has a real physical focus system. I think Leica tried it during the design process, but this variant was certainly the best. However, I can understand well if one doesn't like it. It's a bit fiddly.
@illicit008 2 ай бұрын
Sigma makes a smaller camera with the exact same sensor.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
I am familiar with the Sigma Fp, and since it doesn't have a mechanical shutter, it is absolutely unsuitable as a camera due to the rolling shutter. But its a decent video camera.
@vladibarraza 2 ай бұрын
1:58 Christopher Frost did a serious review of this lens: it's not excessively good.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
He said at 5.41 in his video shooting his test chart. "capturing a simply unbeliveable amount of detail" I would say that since it comes from him, the objective is somehow quite good. 😅
@iarosnaps 3 ай бұрын
U have a typo in the title
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
thanks, that was so obvious, I didn't see it. lol
@aldredohaka4150 3 ай бұрын
Leica actually has a look on their photos... you can feel the depth in the photos
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 3 ай бұрын
That's true, the 28mm lens of the Q is simply incredibly good.
@marleenvandam6931 5 ай бұрын
to be honest , the Autofocus of my nikon Zf is much better than the Q3
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
That could be true. The Zf has indeed received Nikon's latest autofocus algorithms. I think, however, that the Q3 performs similarly to the Lumix S5II, and it is almost on par with the Sony Alpha 7IV. The Zf is a camera that I would also like to test sometime.
@Blackmind0 5 ай бұрын
..with bad white balance... ;-)
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 5 ай бұрын
hmm did i miss something? 😅
@GillesQuennevilleGQ 19 күн бұрын
I think Leica cameras are not just made for you. You have no luck.
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, somehow not. At least not the digital ones. I don't have any problems at all with my M6.
@GillesQuennevilleGQ 16 күн бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel no problem with any of my digital and film Leica in 55 years.
@c73w 3 ай бұрын
Respect for Hasselblad 🫡
@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, in terms of technology they are already ahead of Leica. You can tell by the little things.
@c73w 2 ай бұрын
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel sadly both have a long history but I don’t know why they can’t catch up with canon or even sony it became famous with their good products from 2019 where many companies lost a lot because of covid-19, I mean okay Hasselblad cameras are medium format and everything with it is harder than normal but come on Leica your cameras are full frame like the others.
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