Leo I the Thracian, 457-474

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Thersites the Historian

Thersites the Historian

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In this video, I look at the life and reign of the Byzantine Emperor Leo I, who ruled from 457-474. I focus on the two dominant narratives of his reign and attempt to show that both of them contain some truth but that neither should be regarded as entirely accurate.

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@matthewgoodman7588
@matthewgoodman7588 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy Thersites exists. Such an underrated aspect of history.
@l.elmo.di.scipio
@l.elmo.di.scipio Жыл бұрын
I know, right? This channel is a perfect complement to podcasts like History of Byzantium.
@InAeternumRomaMater
@InAeternumRomaMater Жыл бұрын
As a Romanian, and do believe in the Thraco-Roman theory, doesn't matter, he was our beloved Leo❤🇷🇴
@nunovski2002
@nunovski2002 5 жыл бұрын
Love your series and byzantine history!
@xptolen
@xptolen Жыл бұрын
Thank u so much. Love it.
@anthonydefex777
@anthonydefex777 Жыл бұрын
Leo was a good emperor. as he cared about the West. Aspar was like a Ricimir of the East, but less of a bad guy
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
28:31 - LITERAL NEPO-TISM.
@tanpar8805
@tanpar8805 3 жыл бұрын
The imperor Leo from the BESSI. The Thracuan clan BESSI is the clan who is the on the top of the Thracian PRIESTHOOD. The clsn BessAR(The holly Bessi) ruled Valahia in the name of Bulgarian emperor. The Voevoda BessAR is buried exactly to the emperor Kaloyan in the Bulgarian emperors church "St. 40 Martyrs". The granddaughter of BessAR is the Bulgarian Quinn Anna of Valahia of the Tzar Ivan Stratzimir. Todays bulgarian province BESSARabia, occupied from Russia, is named on the voevoda BessAR from the Thracian clan BESSI.
@constable117
@constable117 2 жыл бұрын
this is late but Aspar might have wanted his eldest son to inherit his position in his tribal society and then have his younger son take the roman throne instead.
@beeebz1192
@beeebz1192 6 жыл бұрын
Will u do a video on Constantine V? I know u said ur going to do them when u want. But are u going to do a video about him in the near future?
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
Right now, my tentative plan is to do Basiliscus, Zeno, and Anastasius then take care of Heraclius, Constans II, and Constantine IV so that I will have everyone up to Leo III taken care of. At that point, I will begin working forward, so right now, Constantine V is looking like he is eighth in my Byzantine Emperor queue.
@HavanaSyndrome69
@HavanaSyndrome69 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Thersites. Where are some of these pictures coming from that are in your slideshow? I keep trying to find them and save them to use myself in art but I can't find a lot of them. Do you have a bibliography or anything of the art or pictures you find? The non-google images ones have been hard to track down for me. The one from the "Public/Church Outcry" slide and the portrait of Leo's Daughter (married to Zeno) in particular.
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 3 жыл бұрын
I don't recall exactly where I found the images that I used for this video or what they were called, but I'm pretty sure that I got all or most of them from Google images. Try varying up your search terms a little bit and you might find it.
@beeebz1192
@beeebz1192 6 жыл бұрын
Which era of byzantine history do u like the most? The dark ages, the post 1204, the early era, or the macedonian- komnenos era?
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
Right now, it is a tie between the 5th Century and the age of the Comnenoi.
@beeebz1192
@beeebz1192 6 жыл бұрын
Thersites the Historian mine is probably the 7-8th centurys and komnenoi
@johnmonkus4600
@johnmonkus4600 2 жыл бұрын
Leo seems to be the last emperor with a true to life portrait bust. Shame that no sculptures of Justinian survived.
@histguy101
@histguy101 Жыл бұрын
There are some. The most famous is a porphyry bust. He looks like Ice Cube without a beard.
@morsecode980
@morsecode980 Ай бұрын
@@histguy101There is a marble bust of him as well. Justinian I seems to be the last Emperor with one of those (or rather, the last with a surviving marble bust)
@histguy101
@histguy101 Ай бұрын
@@morsecode980 Yes, it's unfortunate. There are actually a lot of late Roman busts that have no images available online, and you have to travel to Turkey to see them. There are also written accounts of imperial portraits/statues being commissioned as late as the 8th century, many of which were probably bronze and don't survive. I believe there's an account of Constantine V commissioning a statue of himself erected in the hippodrome, and he was an iconoclast.
@gungaflagtaka5526
@gungaflagtaka5526 5 жыл бұрын
just going on a limb but guessing that he was born in Thrace?
@SolarTerran
@SolarTerran 3 жыл бұрын
The world may never know
@EinFelsbrocken
@EinFelsbrocken 2 жыл бұрын
🤔🤔🤔
@jahterminatedlmao5473
@jahterminatedlmao5473 2 жыл бұрын
imagine id he wasnt
@Alexeiyeah
@Alexeiyeah 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder what was different in the scenario of late antiquety Rome. Leo I did broke out of Aspar pretensions and became a king himself. The Imperators in the West, however, got killed when they showed any kind of intention on ruling by themselves and not be a puppet of Ricimer...
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
I think that the main factors were geography and wealth. The Eastern half of the Empire was largely connected by sea, so it was easier for the East to recover by shifting forces around quickly to hot spots. Also, the Danube and Persian frontiers were largely mutually exclusive, so one could stand even if the other folded. On the other hand, if the Rhine fell, this directly endangered Italy, Gaul, and Spain, the vast bulk of the Western Empire. The lack of easy sea access to some areas like northern Gaul, Britain, and interior Spain also meant that it was relatively easy for usurpers to arise and have time to consolidate local power, meaning that it was simply harder to the be the Emperor of all the West. As for wealth, the East controlled 3/4 of the total wealth and population of the Roman Empire, so it was easier for them to rebuild shattered armies and damaged cities while also giving them the luxury of being able to buy off some of their enemies at key moments.
@Alexeiyeah
@Alexeiyeah 6 жыл бұрын
You think it was the Eastern half wealth that let Leo I not be as much as a puppet as maybe Aspar wanted him to be?
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
To an extent, yes. Leo clearly had the funds to go and hire Isaurians behind the back of Aspar. Perhaps we should also consider that not all puppets are equally pliable and maybe the deal between Leo and Aspar left Leo with more governing authority than his Western colleagues enjoyed.
@ergoteleios
@ergoteleios 5 жыл бұрын
Leo I the thracian is canonised and celebrated on 18.01. Thrace, the location, I believe, cοmes from thraka which means grill and it derives from anthrax which is carbon. This was an infamous nickname given by ancient greeks to these people because they used to consume meat. Νowadays, romanians took the name of eastern roman empire to name their country and they claim they are descentants of ancient thracians.
@cassiusquintilianustiberiu6889
@cassiusquintilianustiberiu6889 5 жыл бұрын
Hello
@marcelcostache2504
@marcelcostache2504 5 жыл бұрын
I have greek descent and im romanian, most romanians are latin speaking thracians most of our ancestors where in the roman army at some point and even emperors in the west and east.
@cassiusquintilianustiberiu6889
@cassiusquintilianustiberiu6889 5 жыл бұрын
@@marcelcostache2504 i know that. I am romanian and i have more ancestors Latin and greeks by to Trajan - To Justinian Constantine Leo etc ... :))) my blood is latin. And i am roman thracian force (plus: byzantine because i am orthodox)
@marcelcostache2504
@marcelcostache2504 5 жыл бұрын
@@cassiusquintilianustiberiu6889 We are Romans, besides Romans where always a mix of indo-europeans, to be roman is to have greek culture to speak latin or greek, its that simple this is way i hate all the crazy romanain and there Geto-dacian propaganda, like the dacians never took part in the roman army or roman culture!. Go and see Constantin`s Arch in Rome it has dacians on it! maybe because they where part of the empire in some way.
@cassiusquintilianustiberiu6889
@cassiusquintilianustiberiu6889 5 жыл бұрын
@@marcelcostache2504 poti traduce putin ? Inteleg insa nu tot
@angelojones4330
@angelojones4330 2 жыл бұрын
Why Romulus Augustulus is not mentioned? Fittingly, Wikipedia article also concentrates on Nepos in 480 and does not even mention him either.
@HowNotToDoStuff
@HowNotToDoStuff 2 жыл бұрын
Was he a butcher, a baker, or candlestick maker?
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
Would Isaurians have any relation to the later Kurdish peoples? It has been my understanding that the Kurds have always been known as "mountain" folk and the area seems about right for their origins. EDIT: Apparently I am not the only one with this idea - what a crazy turn of events that would be - both Saladin and multiple Byzantine emperors might be Kurdish. What a crazy thought. lol
@TheMindtwistah
@TheMindtwistah 5 жыл бұрын
Saladin was almost certainly a Kurd, however I see no evidence to suggest the Isaurians were. Their territory was outside the range both of modern Kurds and of the areas conquered, and presumably settled, by the Medians (likely ancestors of Kurds). In addition the Isaurian birth-name of emperor Zeno, Tarasis Kodisa Rousombladadiotes, does not really sound anything like the names of old Median and Iranian rulers (although this is not definitive proof as I am not a linguist). The fact that they were called mountain folk by the Romans does not really tell you much. Anatolia and the surrounding region is full of mountains and in ancient times had a wide variety of people, many of whom were also known as mountain peoples, such as the Armenians.
@marcelcostache2504
@marcelcostache2504 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any proof that the kurds are an offshoot of the isaurians?
@arawn1061
@arawn1061 2 жыл бұрын
Probably not no. The kurds lived closer to iran while isauria was in anatolia
@hannibalburgers477
@hannibalburgers477 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMindtwistah if Saladin is Kurdish than I am South Dakotan
@stayrospaparunas3062
@stayrospaparunas3062 3 жыл бұрын
For some ll be tyrant for some hero
@stayrospaparunas3062
@stayrospaparunas3062 5 жыл бұрын
Well Huns -Germans had nothing common with the epich of Germanicus
@mylifeisgoodgg
@mylifeisgoodgg 5 жыл бұрын
He was romanian?
@marcelcostache2504
@marcelcostache2504 5 жыл бұрын
He was from dacia if you want to call them romanians at this point they where just romanized thracians around the X century they became proto-vlachs most of them where doing there best to survive gepid/avar and later slavic invasions. He even looks like one of my uncles same hair same crazy eyes ect.
@mylifeisgoodgg
@mylifeisgoodgg 5 жыл бұрын
@@marcelcostache2504 deci era roman
@mylifeisgoodgg
@mylifeisgoodgg 5 жыл бұрын
@@marcelcostache2504 oricum dinastia macedoniana amoriana anegloida de unde vin eu sunt greci plus palelologos plus heraklion
@marcelcostache2504
@marcelcostache2504 5 жыл бұрын
@@mylifeisgoodgg intru-n imperiu cum era cel roman identitate etnica nu avea asa de multa importanta, dar el era 100% din dacia. Era probabil unul dinte ultimi imparati care vorbea latina fluent, probabil cu un acent balkanic. He was born Leo Marcellus in Thracia or in Dacia Aureliana province in the year 401 to a Thraco-Roman family, Dacian origin Este mai mult decat clar ca era Proto-vlach precum era si Justinian 60 de ani mai tarziu.
@mylifeisgoodgg
@mylifeisgoodgg 5 жыл бұрын
@@marcelcostache2504 exact deci iustianian era roman de al nostru?
@Jesusandbible
@Jesusandbible 6 жыл бұрын
he was orthodox christian - why use that term ..... pre schism
@Car_Josija
@Car_Josija 6 жыл бұрын
Leo was a Serb???
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
No no. I don't think so? EDIT: I don't think Serbia was a 'thing' yet. Idk how the migration factors into it.
@stayrospaparunas3062
@stayrospaparunas3062 5 жыл бұрын
Serbs are a slav tribe..the ancients Scythians , Thrace were another tribe which lost in the centuries...well mixed with the Greeks n others... Spartacus was Thrace
@stayrospaparunas3062
@stayrospaparunas3062 5 жыл бұрын
@Stefan S anyways..we all mixed in a way
@stayrospaparunas3062
@stayrospaparunas3062 5 жыл бұрын
@Stefan S sorry but let me disagree with u. Usually ppl mixed in the ancients times by rapes. Not only with other tribes but n with civil wars. Back then,womens had a different view. They choose the strongest,bit of course not always,in Japanese civil wars,womens tight with ropes themselves in a chair position n then suicide with a knife...that do it for not do they bodies aftistic moves n die with a kind of beauty...omg what a brave death...only the respects u can ve for this womens...i stop here cuz i ll start to deezy u ...
@stayrospaparunas3062
@stayrospaparunas3062 5 жыл бұрын
@Stefan S btw Philippos is in your photo? U know that he had one eye after a battle n if u know which tribe was prisoner?
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