Let's Discuss Something Beautiful!

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The Fantastic Four are off on a new adventure not from Marvel Comics but through Abrams Comic Arts under the header Marvel Arts. Alex Ross writes and illustrates a story continuing a classic F4 outing started by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. It's a journey into the Negative Zone as the team follow up on This Man This Monster, a story that saw The Thing's body being duplicated by an envious villain. Does this classic comic story get the ending it deserves? Does this licensed work hold up against regular Marvel fare? We discuss it all here as we dive into Fantastic Four Full Circle here on Casually Comics!
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@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth Жыл бұрын

Something I really wish Marvel explored more with is The Thing's skill as an engineer. He isn't a super genius like Reeds, but he WAS the guy who actually put together the rocket Reeds designed. Building rockets ain't like putting together an IKEA shelf; it's not just about brainlessly following instructions. You need to be a skilled technician with a mind for machinery to pull that off. Reminding people that Ben was so very skilled with his hands would also add an extra level of tragedy to his character, since his huge golem fingers would be incapable of the precision necessary to keep fulfilling that passion. Ben was a man who like to build things, yet all he can do now is break things.

@richmcgee434 Жыл бұрын

I seem to recall at least one issue where someone (probably Reed) had built him a pair of waldos (robotic arms, if that's Greek to people) with neural controls so that he could do fine work with them. IIRC he was building a ship in a bottle with them. That was a long, long time ago and I think they got smashed during the story and I haven't seen them since. It seems like such an obvious quality of life thing for Ben to have, and the setting certainly has the tech for it.

@Skeezer66 Жыл бұрын

Writers also forget he was originally a jet pilot! He was the one flying them through the cosmic rays!

@Skeezer66 Жыл бұрын

@Toxic Male Gamer You know how very smart you have to be to be a jet pilot, right? Most people could never do It.

@bloocheez3 Жыл бұрын

This book is a legitimate work of art. It deserves all the awards. I too teared up a little. I think the thing that hits so hard about the story is the SINCERITY. Sincerity is something that has been sorely lacking in modern comics, as you mentioned-- stories are mostly flippant tongue in cheek subversion, glib attempts at meta-deconstruction or all out mean-spirited satire. Everything about this book is beautiful and it made me feel the way comics used to.

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

to me I love the bronze age the most. Character drizen and dramatic with interesting plots and variety. Its probably because its closest to japanese comics also.

@Skeezer66 Жыл бұрын

I already love anything Alex Ross does! Not just the art, but all the respect and awareness of comic history!!

@romeoalpha68 Жыл бұрын

When Kirby drew those pictures of space or the Negative Zone they always were so psychedelic .

@MagillanicaLouM Жыл бұрын

Your voice acting is forever a treasure

@Magicghost23 Жыл бұрын

Alex Ross never fails.

@TheGreatDevlin Жыл бұрын

I even like his Spider-Man suit from Slott's run

@Facade953 Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, he is the greatest comic book artist of all time!😊

@olyrhys8724 Жыл бұрын

100% agree. I’ve just finished the Astro City Metrobooks by Kurt Busiek with Alex Ross covers and character design. It’s wonderful.

@jaynewman6420 Жыл бұрын

@@olyrhys8724 Astro City Forever!

@jamesk234 Жыл бұрын

More of Bob Ross fan 🤣

@jermainekngdom3154 Жыл бұрын

If you don't care for Ross's art style you are a monster. Him and Jim Lee are amazing artist.

@Facade953 Жыл бұрын

Two of the all time greats! There is no doubt about it!😊

@louisalectube Жыл бұрын

I don't prefer Alex Ross's art style. However, I can recognize talent when I see it. Personally, his style is too 50s-60s retro style, all his faces look the same, his female faces are just toned down male faces. I don't prefer his version of super hero muscles. They look like old timey circus strong men instead of well-defined super heroes. However, like I said, Ross does have talent. His following is understandable. I do like some of his realistic art for superheroes. His debut in the 90s was nothing less than stunning.

@Vegitodraws Жыл бұрын

Jim Lee is a great artist, but suffers from same face/body syndrome. I personally think that there are several artists that are significantly better than him like Dan Mora and Jorge Jimenez. I don't think that he's bad, I just think he's a bit overhyped and outdone given the modern comics landscape

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

@@louisalectube I like ross's resto-realistic style.

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

I like the style, but his panelling could use some work.

@Persoon56 Жыл бұрын

I picked this up at my LCS, and I read it cover to cover that night. I loved every page, every bit of art, the surreal, the action-packed and the intimate. I loved this book and am so glad we got it.

@timross5351 Жыл бұрын

This hits awesomely on every level from nostalgia to artistic precision to excellence! Thanks for the share! Especially loving this take on Reed; almost like he is on the verge of breaking the fourth wall (the fantastic fourth wall?) through sheer intellect.

@illithidlore Жыл бұрын

This comic was absolutely flawless. I only wish some of the pages could have been included or ordered as posters. Also wish Ross had used blacklight inks on some of his pages.

@ramblingRJ Жыл бұрын

My favorite thing about Alex Ross art is trying to figure out who he modelled his faces after. In this one, I think Reed and Sue were based on Gary Conway and Deanna Lund from "Land of the Giants". I'm less sure about Johnny but he may be modelled on Dwayne Hickman from "Dobie Gillis". Jones looks a bit like boxer Nikolai Valuev. Just guessing.

@tomjames9681 Жыл бұрын

Alex Ross breaking down his process for this book is up on his KZfaq channel. Absolute must watch. Even more so if you’re and artist yourself.

@richmcgee434 Жыл бұрын

The fact that he's a talented sculptor is pretty noteworthy too. Real Da Vinci type, he is.

@davidmoran2296 Жыл бұрын

I am an old school fan of the Fantastic Four and I absolutely loved this graphic novel. It is a literal feast for the senses!

@Aratak711 Жыл бұрын

Just a superb analysis of this wonderful Alex Ross book. Even better, a spirited defense of Reed Richards, a character that has been pummeled by writers and fandom in the last decade or two. I was nine years old when I read FANTASTIC FOUR #51 and I remember that it made me cry for the "villain's" sacrifice after his stunning revelation of just how good a man Reed is. It wasn't the first nor the last time I shed tears at a Silver Age Marvel comic. Ross gets it and you get it, Sasha. Thanks for your commentary.

@ScottWaa Жыл бұрын

The art in this issue is absolutely amazing! I'm not a Fantastic Four person, but I'll definitely track these issues down!

@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth Жыл бұрын

13:33 This line immediately made me think of the themes explored in SCP 3930 (look it up, it takes about 5 minutes to read). Specifically, the concept of a person existing only as an "echo" in the perception of others. I know that the Nega-Zone (and this type of echo) is wildly different to the "Nothing" described in the SCP file, but it still feels like there's a way to intertwine these ideas...

@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth Жыл бұрын

16:51 This is why most of the brilliant scientists in the Lovecraft universe go insane. It's not JUST perceiving the horrors beyond our reality... it's being unable to stop contemplating them and their implications. No Lovecraft protagonist ever as a mindset like Ben's, because if they did they'd go "huh, neat. Not anything I can do about it though so whatever" and go on living happily. It's not just Reed's brilliance that makes him obsess over these implications, though. It's also his arrogance. His NEED to be significant and his inability to accept his small spot in a big, impossibly complex universe. Then there's Dr. Doom, who's just SO self-obsessed he'd probably interpret his own insignificance as a challenge. "The cosmic gods will learn to _fear_ the name DOOM!"

@InfamyOrDeath-__- Жыл бұрын

That’s so cool how he made the models to help him draw the proportions of the characters correctly, Alex is just such a brilliant artist. I remember seeing a cover for his *JUSTICE* story on the shelf in the grocery store and I just bought it instantly, and that’s when I started to read DC.

@mooncaketin Жыл бұрын

@5:07 Dear Kevin Feige: Please incorporate the phrase "glamor pants" into the scripts of all MCU films going forward. Thank you in advance.

@DrFranklynAnderson Жыл бұрын

Oof. Even as a graphic designer, not a “real” artist, that opening dialogue hit HARD. 😅

@ce_rouse Жыл бұрын

I ♥️ when Sasha reads!

@Kumanomaru Жыл бұрын

Sasha, Yaboizack sent me here to check your new video. I loved your review and the shots sampling the book. It has been more than 30 years (I’m 46) since I last bought a comic book. The very last paper story I purchased was the Hellraiser graphic comics back in 1992. Your video made me order a copy of this Alex Ross book. I remember reading Ricardo and Nega-man stories when I was 8, 9 years old, so this hit my heart right in the center. I’m in Japan and will have to wait a while, but I am sure I’ll cherish this as much you and your kids did. Thank you Sasha, and heads up to Mr Meyer sending you respect ;)

@EricRatcliffeNewcomicday Жыл бұрын

I never had the context of the original story so your video helped me appreciate the extra level to the story. I love Alex Ross's work, wrote a fine arts paper on him in high school so when this was first announced I was so excited and man it lived up to the hype and so much more. It really is fantastic.

@BThings Жыл бұрын

I loved this comic. Part of that is because Fantastic Four 51 was one of the first FF comics I ever read (in a collected edition, of course), and it’s what got me to really love the team. I think my only complaint is that I wish there was more of it, but it didn’t really need more story, so that’s okay! Also, it was so heartwarming to hear that your kids liked it! It’s always nice to know about things that spark children’s imaginations!!!

@kcollier2192 Жыл бұрын

I want to say that I bought that issue of the FF when it came out but it might have been a few years later- memory is the first thing to go as they say. I definitely loved the original story, and IMO Alex Ross can do no wrong so if I get a chance to snag this I will.

@gdp3rd Жыл бұрын

This looks like a great graphic novel -- I might need to track it down. Alex Ross is always a joy, and the story is classic Marvel's First Family. Thank you!

@cloudz40 Жыл бұрын

This is a classic take on what is going on in current Marvel comics., it's like a throwback to the early years of marvel comics and a great read.

@aquatroy 8 ай бұрын

When I saw the title, "Let's Discuss Something Beautiful!" I thought this episode would be about variant covers. I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU PULLED FULL CIRCLE! It's f-ing AMAZING! Ross's art can at times be to dependent on the photo reference. He ditches that in Full Circle and lets his SA Marvel flag fly. I want posters of the Negative Zone panels!

@dwaynemuth8775 Жыл бұрын

I’ve been reading the FF since the late 60’s,55yrs and this is definitely a love ❤️ letter! Back Issue magazine from TwoMorrows spotlighted Ross FF project that never got green lighted and I was 🤬!! Thankfully that changed 😎❤️👍! Early last year the book was scheduled and I just could NOT wait! My comic shop sold 35 copies in 2days at 20 bucks each and quickly reordered!🔥 I’m also very happy that your children liked it! I’m a big FF fan and this book reminds me why!🎯 Thanks for the passionate review,Sasha! ⚡️💎

@EmoEmu Жыл бұрын

Every monster needs his Rick Jones.

@TrevorNickell Жыл бұрын

First Marvel Book I've bought since 2018. Loved every panel.

@katsomeday1 Жыл бұрын

This one wasn't on my radar. Thanks for this! So often Reed is written as callous, but he is more complex than that and, when written properly, a good man despite his flaws. I love that this gets him right.

@kemmdog4444 Жыл бұрын

An Anti-Earth not to be confused with Counter-Earth.

@fresh2924 Жыл бұрын

makes me want to read old fantastic four books

@chwenhoou Жыл бұрын

I love this book immensely. It truly is a love letter to the classic silver-age Marvel stories. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby would be proud. Also, I couldn't help but read Thing's lines in my best Chuck McCann voice.

@kemmdog4444 Жыл бұрын

Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.

@2ndstreetmarvel Жыл бұрын

I got the limited edition of this book. I still haven’t taken it out of the package.😅 But I have seen the art on the inside. 😍

@dannytarver4533 Жыл бұрын

I've followed everything Alex Ross has done since KINGDOM COME. Constructing models of what you want to draw or paint to get a "better"perspective?! He is talented beyond belief.

@RonDale-jy8et 2 ай бұрын

Loved your Dr. Suess riff right when Reed is (again!) facing death...!!

@Wolfie1262 Жыл бұрын

I haven’t read it. But Alex Ross’ artwork in it is gorgeous. I haven’t read an FF book since…well, I think it was that Heroes Reborn fiasco. I think the FF have done if my favorite Silver Age stories, so seeing those touched on again is neat.

@IceBen4444 Жыл бұрын

How can someone not like the art? D: THE COLORS!

@davemeyers6474 Жыл бұрын

I read This Man, This Monster when it first came out. Had no idea this book involved the storyline. Now I know what I getting myself for Christmas. Thanks, Sasha!

@TimKirk Жыл бұрын

It looks amazing, I'd love to see more of the art and other stories like this one.

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

you could read kingdom come by also alex ross.

@MementoMorituri Жыл бұрын

Everytime I hear something like the Negative zone I think of the Darkwing Duck and the Negaverse. Negaduck: "Ah my beautiful St. Canard. Smell those noxious fumes."

@chrismiranda931 Жыл бұрын

Comics Matter had a glowing review of this video. I see why, now.

@landreaulover Жыл бұрын

Got mine from Amazon this week! Though set in the present, it definitely has that 60s vibe -- which works so well for the team. I haven't read the entire story, but I did view every page. It is indeed 'something beautiful'!

@GleeChan Жыл бұрын

Alex Ross is the ultimate uber-nerd who I know that if I met in person we'd totally be besties. The dude literally loves and respects most of the things I do, from the more mainstream stuff to the obscure. But he's also been an artist that I've never lived for his art style, as much as I love that man. It kills me because I've bought multiple books of his because I want to support him and really do want to embrace his geekdom with him, but I just can't get over his art sensibilities. So I'm at a weird place with him. Ironically, I think I relate more to his producing/writing side than what he's most famous for. Off topic, I hope you do an update video on the SusanVSFlatline drama.

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

idk, I like his retro-realistic style and his colors/lighting is fantastic. My biggest problem is his panelling, its confused and kinda breaks the flow for me.

@evandavid2816 Жыл бұрын

I remember first reading a reprint of 'This Man This Monster' in Les Daniels' seminal history book 'Marvel: Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics' (still well worth tracking down if you can find it, but I digress); where it was accompanied by a John Byrne quote that always stuck with me: '...If this is an art form, if we can be that lofty, then Stan Lee and Jack Kirby have created a masterpiece there...'. All these decades on, it's fantastic to see that Alex Ross has created a more-than-worthy successor, and that Sasha in turn has done such an equally fantastic job with this review, yes...?

@DavidSilva-mn4dz Жыл бұрын

So Ben shuting down Reed's thoughts as the begining of Reed becoming more reclusive is such a good moment.

@ravenwilder4099 Жыл бұрын

I'll stick to my headcanon that Jones was a pseudonym, and the character was really Lex Luthor's Marvel Universe doppelganger.

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

it was just a pretend name or nickname he went under, there's no way this guy isn't just marvel 616 lex luthor. Hell, they both even have inferiority complex's holding them and their genius's back! Only difference is that lex is more of a chad.

@gabrielmarques5257 Жыл бұрын

Yessss I saw this comic in your background and was expecting your Review!

@johanmalm8378 11 ай бұрын

What a beautiful work of art! -And a good vid! Thanks Sasha!

@wasgreg Жыл бұрын

Listening to Reed's characterization at about 16:00, made me think of the Animals' song, "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood." I think from this moment forward when I would read Mr. Fantastic, my internal ear will hear that song.

@Forcemaster2000 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! You put out some great videos, I really appreciate it!

@MakiPcr Жыл бұрын

I hate to say that the Silver Age was FF's Golden Age because it was so long ago; but man the Silver Age was a time for the FF, it's so nice to see it use to tell new stories

@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm Жыл бұрын

This video is officially certified by the Recommending Ones & Zeros.

@stanfordsan Жыл бұрын

I have never read a Fantastic Four book. Then I saw Perch make a video about this book and I fell in love with the art and had copy ordered before the video was over.

@mercurywoodrose Жыл бұрын

im so glad everyone is vibing on this. alex ross really stretching himself (pun not intended) and results are as yu say beautiful

@rodneylindsey849 Жыл бұрын

I Love FANTASTIC FOUR FULL CIRCLE. ( Thank U Alex Ross) as I commented on Your PowerJoker video…IMO it conveys the same point that DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince ( Will Smith) where making in Their Rap song Summertime … 🎶 Here’s A Grove Slightly Transformed, Just A Little Break From The Norm Of All That Hardcore Rap That’s Gotten To Be A Little Bit Out Of Control, But What About A Groove That Moves & Soothes Romance, Give Me A Old School Mix & If It Ain’t Broke Then Don’t Try And Fix It 🎶 ….or in this Case 🎶 Here’s A Tale Slightly Transformed , Just A Little Break From The Norm Of All Those Dark Horrific Multi Universe Ending Events That’s Gotten To Be A Little Bit Out Of Control, But What About A Story That Brings Back Heroes VS Villains Drama, Give Me A Old School Super Heroic Tale & If It Ain’t Broke Then Don’t Try And Fix It 🎶…It takes Us Back to a Simpler Time & I Agree is a Love Letter to the FF, Stan The Man ,& Jack The King…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾

@afoolishsquire6850 Жыл бұрын

The art and story in a good comic can really touch you for a lifetime

@Jezee213 Жыл бұрын

There's one picture of Iron Man flying up over the city, ever since I've seen it Ross has been my favourite comic artist. His art stands on its own even without narration bubbles. I wanna get that picture on canvas and hang it up, it's Tony's old armour the mark 3 I believe so it's really nostalgic too.

@norbnar7197 Жыл бұрын

Yeah those 2 panels of Ricardo thanking Reed emotionally walloped me too! You usually don't get that level of emotional impact from comics. And even in FF 51 when the cops interact with Ben also tugs at the heart strings. Also always love it when an inventive wrinkle is added to a classic story and when it's an established pro that does it, it just confirms their awesomeness.

@projekttaku1 Жыл бұрын

idk, I think alot of comics hit you hard with emotional impact.

@allendean9807 Жыл бұрын

I’ve recently gone back to the classic FF, via the marvel app, and while kind of dated, it’s made me want any film do exactly this!! A 1960’s, crazy tech, retro, Johnny Quest type film!

@jaynewman6420 Жыл бұрын

I remember reading both stories, and loving them. Though I didn't connect them until I did a reread of the FF. My favorite FF book was a free book for free comics day. The story was mainly FF Reed. He'd just failed at changing Ben back to normal. Reed got very intraceptive. On his thoughts he reveals the reason for his creation of the FF. He did it for Ben because he would be labeled by society, and Reed thought that he'd prefer Hero over Monster.

@Mister.MARVEL00 Жыл бұрын

Ross is one of my favorite artist and FF and Reed will always be no. 1 for me; so obviously it's been added to my pull list at my LCS.

@kemmdog4444 Жыл бұрын

I first read Fantastic Four 51 in a triple sized issue of a FF book. So when Web of Spider-Man 69 and 70 with Spider-Hulk, I thought it was cool to see the callback.

@graposo7 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great review! 🙂

@kurtoogle4576 Жыл бұрын

Wow! This is ... fantastic!! And so are you!

@diegoyonamine8943 Жыл бұрын

Great Content Idea, mentioning some decisions, and Layout workflow from Ross . Keep it Up ! U dew it! 🤙

@screamingblue7 Жыл бұрын

Trust Alex Ross, the artist involved in Kingdom Come & Earth X & Astro City & Marvels (to name a few), making deep cuts into the lore! I agree, the art in this book is a different style from what one expects from him, but it works with that Kirby tribute. Always a pleasure to hear these reviews!

@butcher9501 Жыл бұрын

Good review and insight. Very enjoyable.

@norbnar7197 Жыл бұрын

I love that you love this!! Big fan!

@DRUNKENATHEISTSTUDIO Жыл бұрын

Comics Matter w/ ya boi Zack brought me here. Subbed! 😁

@fumochabalala6284 Жыл бұрын

Now I need a Reed Richards Rivals Playlist in my life

@Dougeb7 Жыл бұрын

This looks really good. The art looks amazing. Also, that's a super-sweet story about your kids liking it! Thanks! :)

@mercurywoodrose Жыл бұрын

pretty sure i read the original comic live, as a kid. and then read it in my teens, in a reprint. i definitely had negative zone comics as a kid. annihilus. this brings back some of that feeling, where i know that alex ross felt that feeling as well. its why i so want a good FF film. its like grand opera. batman v superman could be an opera or broadway show. FF stories could be as well. i love this book so much.

@mattlinkous4356 Жыл бұрын

"You get them going on a classic style adventure that takes a bunch of their history and plays with it, updates it, and honors without trying to mock or subvert it." Hey Marvel, DC more like this please. I'll pay money.

@pantone41 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. Was just watching Ross work through the FF art style changes, over on his channel.

@imwhatthekidscallcringy3858 Жыл бұрын

The art in this looks incredible. I'm not the biggest F4 fan but I fo have fond memories of the animated series and would love to pick up this book. I love one shot books with great homages to characters.

@fredcampbell4066 Жыл бұрын

lets hope this video won't be age restricted

@YourTypicalZenAnarch Жыл бұрын

Your voice acting is fantastic in this vid! Especially Ricardo's sacrifice panels. Gonna definitely order this book

@Darkzero497 Жыл бұрын

Now this is a super hero comic.

@bio1656 Жыл бұрын

I have to pick this book up . GREAT !

@100dfrost Жыл бұрын

Great art, interesting story, thanks.

@bensneb360 Жыл бұрын

I chef kissed “perfect” so many times at the art in this video, that a beret, twirly mustache, and A long loaf of bread just appeared on me lol but seriously, that art… fantastic

@gilbaron6013 Жыл бұрын

I think you meant "Chef's Kiss." French Kiss is a different thing. Lol.

@bensneb360 Жыл бұрын

@@gilbaron6013 *Face palm: your right, my brain always think of the chef from the little mermaid when someone says chef kiss, and he looked french so my brain mixed the two up, thanks for the help Gil

@RedJax69 Жыл бұрын

Wait! Was Reed about to figure out they live in a comic book at the end?

@GuessWho7197 Жыл бұрын

I was so excited for this book, not only did I pre-order it, but I even paid extra to have Alex Ross sign it. I was not disappointed, the story was good and the art even better. Alex Ross is amazing!

@gwynplaine. Жыл бұрын

Great presentation!!! In reality in the original Jack Kirby version ( issued as Fantastic four the lost adventure) Janus was called Mega Man. Logically the joke is call back in the original story.

@madarchmage1151 Жыл бұрын

I like this. Thank you

@ericmiller93 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic story, beautiful art.

@FragItAll Жыл бұрын

I like the idea of continuing a kind of one off story/character without changing the history of the books. This looks great, thank you for showing us through it.

@albion65 Жыл бұрын

This was simply put, the best Fantastic Four story I've read since "Fantastic Four: The End" by Alan Davis and Mark Farmer. If you haven't read that other genuine love letter to the FF I highly recommend it. Both really get what made the FF great even though they don't tell similar stories. Again I highly recommend "Fantastic Four: The End" if you haven't already read it already.

@nemoiam Жыл бұрын

An excellent analysis! You have such a fantastic understanding of this team and their history. I've been a Fantastic Four fan forever but this video contained many new insights for me. I've purchased Full Circle but haven't read yet but now I'm super-excited to get started.

@thelastdictator482 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@DIEGhostfish Жыл бұрын

Speaking of Fantastic 4 have you met B-Mask who did that really great fantastic 4 retrospective? And seems to maybe be working on soemthing similar for what I'm 90% sure is the Thunderbolts.

@C4rea Жыл бұрын

I’m here within the 1st hour! You’re great, Sasha!

@CasuallyComics Жыл бұрын

Early Squad!

@symonpalmer20 Жыл бұрын

Sasha, you fab person, I simply bought it, because of what obviously is, as a piece, but also because of your, as always, great review and commentary on everything that it is. Thank you, special person, keep up the excellent work.