I've been sitting on this video all day not sure if I wanted to go through with posting it, but I decided this stuff affects all of us artists to some extent and thus it is important. If this video helps only one person or keeps somebody from sending hate to an artist than that is an improvement. This stuff needs to be addressed. Getter canceled his Visceral tour, the tour for his new album with the same title. An album on which he decided to try something new and move away from heavy Dubstep and do something more melodic. He is free to do that as an artist and I think we artists can agree that that is how you evolve. However, a part of his 'fans' did not enjoy it and had to hate. The fact that this stuff happens means there is something to address. We live in a day and age where it has become normal to spout your nonsense or voice your opinion on social media about any subject, sadly in this process, some people throw their good manners out of the window and start addressing people in a hateful way, either knowingly or unknowingly. These things affect artists in a bad way and depending on the persons' mental state, could lead them into a bad state of mind and who knows where that'll end? Having criticism is healthy, but at least voice it in a well-spoken manner! There is no need to publicly mention an artist to bombard them with hate, wish upon them things you wish you would never have to deal with yourself... I had my fair share of hate coming at me over the years, however, I'm mentally pretty stable so I learned how to cope with it in a healthy way. This doesn't mean that it doesn't affect me though, because it does. Artists, how big they might be, in the end, are also humans who are dealing with their own issues and struggles. You don't know what state somebody is in without seeing what goes on behind the scenes, think about that before you say something. Artists evolve, if you don't align with their new work, then just move on... There is enough music to be explored. Let them do what they want to do most, create the music that they love to hear themselves because ultimately that is the reason we all start making music. We make the stuff we would like to enjoy and hope it resonates with others. I just wanted to get this off my chest because I too have dealt with some rough times at some point and I know how it can affect you in a horrible way. I hope we can have a civil discussion below, tell me how you feel on this subject. Thanks.

Thank you. People can be awful. Nice of you to call this out, dude.

I find 99% of the time, the people giving this type of shit to musicians are those who have never picked up and instrument or lay a note in a DAW. Just because I don't like a certain genre, I understand that the producer has put A LOT of work into a project - doesn't give me the right to say "it's shit".

Thanks for posting this. i agree. It can be really easy for fans to shitpost an artist over a difference in taste. Instead of looking elsewhere for what they want, they feel compelled to directly insult an artist. And it can truly feel devastating to be that artist who is a person and now is gutted about their hard work/life. Thanks again for your thoughtful video

I find it unbelievable that someone could pour their entire soul into an idea, and be treated so poorly.. The whole idea of the album was deep feeling.. He put himself in a vulnerable place and these so called "fans", made his worst nightmare come true.. Regardless of what people are accusing him of in past arguments on twitter.. We need to help our people up not break them down.. Thanks for this video!

Dope topic this one ART! This needs to be heard.

No matter how famous someone is they are always human, I feel sometimes that a lot of people believe that because someone is well known and has a big reputation they are somehow immune to negativity and won't be affected by criticism and hate. I can't begin to imagine how bad it must feel to go out on stage after working so hard on an album and a tour only for people to boo and throw shit at you in must be really difficult for getter right now. Hopefully he returns to making music in the future as it wouldn't be nice to see him leave the industry altogether.

Nice one for making this video. I think we all suffer from these sorts of issues from time to time. It’s sad that this happened to him and as a result he’s cancelled his tour. As someone who is writing an album rn, I know how hard and frustrating it is to get everything just the way you want - takes time and for someone to shit on it would really damage ur mental health.

I've just started makint music full time (as much as can) besides uni, but i've found out when you learn music and make music afterwards it can really be draining both mentally and physically. I'm working on an LP and had some serious "downtime" due to either having writers block or a really sad/depressed mood. Then again I am literally terrified of becoming even a little bit succesful, I know I couldn't handle the stress. It just sucks when you spend at least a year on a project but people still give you shit for not being your old self. You cán't win as a musician.

I know this in my own skin. It makes you depressed, just terrible. Especially if a lot of time is invested in the work. Every musician goes through this, and there is only one medicine - you need to take everything as a joke. Keep doing what you like to do, and getting better at it. And everyone who does not like it can go to ...

The bottom line is that people often WANT to affect people in a bad way.. Many people are heartless and suffering themselves. Collectively, humanity needs to heal on deep levels that are unprecedented - I moved from music production to this field over a decade ago because I know it is so important. Knowing that a significant percentage of the world are mentally and emotionally unloving to the point of being destructive, it is necessary to be empowered enough that we don't become dependent on them - especially not for validation when it comes to our own passion and choices in life.

Well said ARTFX! Be kind, treat others as you would treat yourself. Important topic to lift again and again.

I have to say that the criticism (whereas we are probably talking about negative criticism, not positive) is guided towards the person's music and not a personal insult. People seeing or hearing a piece of art and not having an opinion about it is almost impossible to do. It's the game that you are in and to let it effect you in that way is (I think) more of a personal problem than a problem caused by the listeners/viewers. It may sound harsh but it is always possible for a person to stop working within the industry, by which you can still make music for fun, but are not involved with the industry anymore. There are a lot more factors, but overall I think that it is more of a personal issue than anything else. If you are an artist working to be the most popular and always at the top then you are missing half of the fun. You are there 'cause you love to make music. That is why most people started anyways. If you just love making it then you should never find yourself in a hole like this. Or you don't understand that art is massively involved with personal opinions that are out of your control. MUSIC = ART. If you are interested in more of this kind of logic, look up 'Death of the Author'. It is a very interesting article that could have helped a lot of people like this (I think). This is all just a personal opinion so feel free to change my mind (if you are even arsed to read it).

Me personally, I like it when someone tells me that they don’t like it. I prefer honesty. The point where i start having problems with people saying they don’t like it is when I become chastised for having a specific sound. I’m a young producer. Doin this for 12 years now and I’m only 20. Have yet to have a show. But ik I’m still learning. So if someone doesn’t like my music, that just means i have room for improvement still. No biggie.

I think people should have a healthier mentality, as you say, they should give more value and respect to the fact that an artist is exploring new horizons. How to get it is what I see more complicated, but I agree with you, we have to work together to raise awareness in the young people, and make them appreciate more the producer effort.

People that don’t think that visceral is a masterpiece are simply wrong. Getter deviated from his typical style with it, and his typical bass head fans were upset about it (wrongfully). It truly shows his versatility and his self control in not just adapting to what people want. The industry needs more people like Getter.

Getter said he was trying to show music was more than raging but he honestly enabled this culture... when I saw him play at the bassment he only proceeded to get absolutely wasted on stage and told everyone to drive home drunk before throwing shit into the crowd because, in his words, he "doesn't give a shit"...

Great video man. I think this goes to the state of art. Music especially has become so soulless (gotta say especially in edm) that people who go to these edm shows have such a black and white expectation of what the event is...what an experience of art is...that in itself is a depressing fact to me

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good chat and nice new intro btw

Good points made here man, I'm currently sitting on some lofi, hiphop and some other stuff....but I know that I need to put it under another name because if I release something under my K100 name people are going to be like ''what the fuck, this isn't robotic fart noises that I signed up for'', I think he just did it wrong. Even Emperor got it right by releasing his stuff under his new alias just to separate the genres he is producing. I know its a shit way to do it but try tell that to a 15 year old dubstep bro who wants to headbang his grandmother to death.

The internet can really bring the worst out of people (myself included), but what's even worse is that the opinion-versus-opinion animosity from social media is manifesting itself in social situations in the real world. Especially with something as subjective as music, these hive minds of opinion can ruin an artist's mental state, creative output and even their income. I remember when Jay Z got booed at Glastonbury festival for giving a political rant that linked in with the songs he was performing. Even that was sad to see, but this situation with Getter is downright disheartening. I feel bad for artists who produce music in these niche genres which have garnered a lot of attention (Riddim, Dub, Grime etc) that want to branch out. There's a lot of guys/girls I know in that situation who are scared to release new ideas and after this tour cancellation their anxiety seems even more justified. Keep your art artistic people; stay evolving and make the music you want to make.

Respect ♥

It's a difficult topic because im all for people voicing their opinions. Getting booed and having stuff thrown at is not really giving an opinion but rather spreading "hate". And of course if you have a fanbase that likes your music and you switch from a genre, many people will dislike it so you know beforehand that some fans will stop listening to your music. You see this happening a lot more often, for example in NL we have a rapper called lil kleine who gets beer showers regularly because people hate his music. As an artist you need to have some form of resistance to this hate because I don't think we can do much about it other than spread awareness about the mental state of artists.

I think when it comes to opinions about music, you're never going to agree with everything but, if people don't agree then simply go find something you do agree with. We sadly live in a society where pressure to deliver is high. At the end of the day I think a lot of artists fall into a career because it started as a creative interest, and to limit yourself to one style would be detrimental to their learning. Spanning genres is a way of building new fan bases and is the reason we have sub-genres in the first place. Constructive criticism is one thing, but abuse for trying something new is not needed. If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything! That speaks volumes in itself.

It's not gonna change. A lot of people are attached to specific type of music, like to religion or politics, and think that artists are attached the same way. And when their favorite artist is about to go in some different direction, even slightly, it looks like a betrayl for them. Also there is tension between more agressive genres and more "mainstream". Imagine some metal band like "Batushka" or you call it, start to play more of a popular type of rock music. Oh boy, what a disaster it whould be. That situation might be very sad, but that how things really are. I hope my point is clear enough.

there kinda doing this shit with netsky too on social media. i don't see why people just cant accept change

To be honest, there will always be stupid people, people will always hate something, it sucks that people suck. May sound like a defeatist kind of attitude but just being real here. I love and admire the fact that getter made the album the way he did, and had the balls to not play heavy dubstep at his shows and played the music he made from that album. That takes a serious amount of guts just for some stupid people to spit in his face. It's sad, but I don't think the fact that there are stupid people in this world, and there always will be, will ever change.

Doing something different is always good. Porter Robinson, for example, released his virtual self album which is very different from his worlds album. And it still sounds great. Hating on a artist just because he is doing something different is bullshit on it's purest form.

Its a tricky situation because people are entitled to their opinions. Every now and then even my favorite artist makes a track or two I don't like. It's just how it goes. In all fairness before you jump into releasing music or any other creative endeavors you better be well prepared for people's criticism because you will hear it at some point.

Until every person alive in the Western world gets some education regarding sound design and music production, there will always be ignorant hateful people who don't give a chance to change or the unfamiliar. In their narrow minds, they are entitled to a specific thing they like, and when their favourite artist "does not deliver", they feel they are entitled to express their disappointment towards the artist, resulting in harsh remarks instead of constructive criticism. Instead of feeling privileged that their favourite artist continues to produce music they can listen to, people make it all about themselves. They don't realize that booing an artist and saying his/her music sucks can have the same impact as telling a mother that you wish their newborn child gets cancer. In conclusion, people are dumb ignorant assholes and until the government implants chips in our brains which can punish people by disabling their ability to perceive all music, artists will need thick skin because delusional idiots think they are kings in castles.

I want to start off by saying big up Getter for evolving, not really my cup of tea, who am I to judge. That being said, I kind of think this is his fault. He's partially responsible for this bro, assholish, hollow fan base (i.e. his past rants trashing support acts, and even his characters from vine and jimmy tatro vids). I think he created a monster and it outlasted him. Again just my opinion, and definitely not trashing his recent work, shame he had to cancel too.

Gratification crisis pretty much.

I dont agree with you. Till a certain point I do, the audience during that show should have not let things get out of hand by trowing stuff at him and they also should have known what they paid for (a supporting gig for his NEW *unliked* album). But for the rest, the guy should put on some pants. Like ppl are going to hate and some ppl are going to love it. He should know why he is doing this, if is cause he wants to be liked, then he should have known before realeasing that last album ('hey Im changing my style too much, and what if my fans wont like it? it will really hurt cause Im too invested in it to be honest') But if he is like a mayority (or at least I would like to think it is a mayority) of musician, we are doing this cause its our passion and we like it, we dont get into this cause money or fame (and if you do, please do some research, there are TONS of BETTER ways to achieve that). And dont get me wrong I would love to be rich and famous like any other guy but certainly is not the reason that I sit 10 million hours to do my craft, at least that wont keep me glue to my chair. Anyway, that concert shows more about the audience than about him, he could have let ppl know about the issue and reiterate that he is doing a support tour for THE LAST ALBUM and continue with it, he overreacted by cancelling the whole thing. I think we do this for that one guy that comes at the end of the show and wants to take a picture with you cause your music means so much to him and not to appeal the masses. So put some pants, be a man, take the good stuff out of the bad stuff and continue doing what you love and dont be a wuss cause your feelings got hurt (or be, but get up and continue). BTW, that is art, you strip yourself out, you put it out there and if you are not ready for ppl to call it ugly or wtever then dont do it. Dont blame your audience, in this case Im almost sure he has more supporters than haters in that show alone.

Like getter said in his note constructive criticism is good, but straight up being a dick is not cool. People that are in the same arena as you are good to listen to for feedback, but people that are on the sidelines watching you, well you just have to reserve them a seat and know that they have NO IDEA how much planning, hardware work, and creative expression goes into there art. Peoples art is an extension of themselves and most artists attach their self-worth to there art. (not healthy but is what it is) I think Gettter matured but his fans didn't. honestly wasn't a Getter fan until his new album.

Good video! I am absolutely with you. There will be always people who love that stuff and there will be always people they don't. I see music as an offer and if someone don't like the product he don't needs to buy it. Btw: In my opinion Avicci was murdered, because he was against pedophiles. Look his video "For a better day" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtddntF5vbmviY0.html He knew to much, he had to much influence, he was willing to talk about problems, he had to go! But thats only my opinion!

Its seriously really hard to feel sorry for somebody whose biggest problem is people not liking the music he made. If he needs to feel bummed out for a minute that is understandable. Maybe he should just try making something different....idk. Really hope he doesn't get suicidal over this but thick skin is probably a necessity in this game.

Sucks that people can't at least do a bit of research before going to a show..

Being an artist is all about being creative. And if you keep making the same thing over and over agin you are not creative.

Yeah. Fans killed Chester Bennington by throwing shit.