F Adora! Swiftwind is everything!

Your right she doesn’t like him she loves him

@@shoo2072 you know what, that's fair. i also tend to react with complete exasperation and disdain when the people i love are doing their dumb shit.

Bani Roka oh god

She spent all that time with LIghthope trying to find the Undo command. "How do I turn that MFer back into a regular horse!"

It ruined the books. I have nothing wrong with those type of people cause this is a really touchy subject and people really get offended. But I I really wanted catria to stay the villain so bad.

Pinseeker Gaming what books...she-ra was originally a toy commercial what are you on my guy

@@pinseekergaming4760 Catra was a 2-dimensional character in the original and was crappy. The reboot fixed that and now she has so much depth and I love the redemption arc.

@@sagedraws1000 I don't know what your talking about of og catra had an amazing voice actor they should of had her do the voice acting in the reboot

vanbrosko 97 I hated her voice it was so annoying

I KNOW!!! like every small problem character-wise got FIXED. Except for Swift Wind but him just existing sets me off. It was a bit of a struggle though watching Glimmer who was clearly wrong double down on the bad decision. But hey if we can forgive Catra, forgiving Glimmer is a walk in the park!

@@SarcasticChorus If Catra's genuinely getting a redemption rc, then Glimmer did absolutely nothing wrong.

Valcowar 672 oh they both fucked up, but it is Apples and Oranges. Catra astronomically more so than Glimmer, because she was maliciously trying to mess up the world to give herself some self worth. But Glimmer’s only issue is that she didn’t listen to her friends, was insensitive to how having Adora’s abusive mother figure just stroll around the castle and listen to Shadow Weaver more so than Adora.

Mehhhh Glimmer is still horrible. She's a terrible daughter and terrible friend. And never develops. Any lesson she learns she immediately forgets

Sarcastic Chorus True. But I’m still begging for a Catra Redemption arc in the final season and it’s going to have to be as genuine and hard to earn as possible in the final season and I expect that to start happen in the second half of the 5th season. Cause Catra has to genuinely want redemption for herself nobody else can help her up, which is why I’m intrigued on how Glimmer and Catra forced to work together to survive on Horde Prime’s ship will be the catalyst to starting her redemption. Reminiscing of Zuko and Katara imprisoned together in Ba Sing Se’s underground crystal catacombs. Only let’s hope for a good ending to come out of this. Or she’ll probably die the tragic Villain she’s become in siding with Horde Prime in his ranks and challenge Adora and all of Etheria in a desperate attempt to give herself Self worth, but I’m doubting that alternative is going to happen with how the ending of 4th season looks for her in my opinion. 3 things I want in She-Ra’s Final season. 1. Catra’s Redemption arc 2. Catra, Scorpia Ana’s Entrapta reunion with major emotional feels. 3 Catradora endgame (or at least some conflict when seeing they have a bigger enemy to take down. Aka Horde Prime and his clone army. And not then Glimmerdora since it’s still able to be healthy even though I still like Catradora much more personally. All I want from final season of She-Ra.

They should remake the entire show and call it that. “Catra and the Princess of Self Destroction” lol

He's not wrong tho

Me: season 5

CameronKillion LMFOWKD STOP😭😭😭

@@perdasche Season 5 is what made me love the show

You know what is dark trying to push your gay stuff on a kid TV show

I didnt think it was dark at all

"Presenting Swift Wind!"

*me in a nutshell*

Yea I agree. Theres just something cute about it.

You're more likely to be toleranr of someone below than someone equal to you, like children for instance because well they're children and what do you expect or you think you can't change their behavior sp automatically you find a way to make it seem cool, but here swift wind is an actual person... horse thing but he can be talked to, you kinda have that expectation for him to be at the same standard as you then

There's also only one confirmed straight couple compared to two lgbt ones (and strong hints that other characters are lgbt). Imho, I think it'd be kind of odd if they only showed one type of relationship (gay or straight), and I think they're doing a good job about displaying multiple different ones while still not being a show about romance. Even Mermista and Sea Hawk have a very different relationship dynamics compared to the stereotypical straight one.

@@evanrobinson5682 > There's also only one confirmed straight couple compared to two lgbt ones (and strong hints that other characters are lgbt). Kinda. Mykah & Angela were also a couple and their relationship has been discussed several times even if they weren't physically connected during the timeline of the show.

@@Mewobiba Yeah, I didn't really count that since they don't have any screen-time together as a couple.

@@evanrobinson5682 They actually do, albeit not much. In the alternate timeline they're still together and Adora has to break it to Mykah that he's (supposedly) dead.

If anything LBGT characters are overrepresented in this show, don’t overreach and bitch about it. That’s why people hate us.

Muad'dib2288 Yeah like it’s clear how sheltered she was, I think most horde soldiers are. I mean, they’re practically brainwashed and living in some pseudo-apocalyptic zone. Adora doesn’t have a clear grasp on what a motherly figure is, she didn’t even know she was on the bad guy’s side. But I doubt the whole sexuality thing will come into play since this is a children’s show, like they won’t just have an episode where Adora discovers what sex is. But given how many times Shadow weaver has twisted the word “love” by manipulating both Catra and Adora I doubt they both actually have a healthy concept about what love is.

Bullshit. You can know about your sexual orientation without knowing what sex is or how it works. Hell, Children are the biggest example of this.

It would be understandable, she didn't know what fun was until Bo and Glimer showed her what it was. She grew up around orphans. Different types of family bonds would not have been talked about at all. Sex would have been a forbidden topic in the Hord. They only pride themselves on work and duty. We may never know they could have taken drugs as kids that killed all sexual feelings.

@@tmorri603 Looking at how Catra acts with Adora, I heavily doubt that last statement.

@@Amharem eh no

This show gets way to much hate. It falls short in places but it’s still good!

@@SarcasticChorus i think double trouble also gets too much hate for being nonbinary and stuff, ppl misgender them left and right

@@mykelmicalromance I realy hate people hating in this show dor its lgbt representation. I'm straight but it was an absolute joy to watch the representation. I know lots of people who are bi (no one actualy gay oddly enough) and it's amazing to see this representation especially when it isnt thrown in peoples faces and it is an important part of their character arc is just is them. I know for a fact my friend loves that representation. Also (spoiler alert),but season 5 with Catra and Adora there was absolutely no boundaries in terms of her sexuality and people judging her it was just both of them realising as they are about to lose each other that them spending time together recently has made them realise that they do infact have bigger feelings for one another. You saw in both of Adoras dreams that she just hopes she could have a future with Catra or have Catra by her side before she dies.

I dislike it because of the female cast(the males are not great too), but it's all opinions at the end of the day.

@@JustEverton k

glimmer has flaws, to be sure, and definitely isn't as much of a "paragon" hero as bow or catra. the show definitely doesn't pretend like they aren't there. she clearly strggles with the pressure being put on her as queen, and seems to take a very black and white morality stance, as opposed to some of the other characters, such as adora (who has had friendships with people from the horde in the past). i think that that is a lot of what people end up not liking about her, since the show does a great job of portraying nearly every villain character in a sympathetic light. however, these flaws feel very natural to her character given that she has been raised to despise the horde, and she lost her father to them at a very young age. i know she's made bad decisions, and her season 4 character arc might have turned a few people against her, but season 4 isnt the end of her character arc, and i'm hoping that being forced to work with a character like catra, who has opposed the alliance for so long, in season 5 will grant a satisfying conclusion to that arc. also, tbh, i love that they gave the stereotypical "sparkly princess" (i mean, her name is glimmer for fucks sake) these types of deep-set character flaws, i don't think i've ever seen that in a show

I'd say the Mermista & Seahawk relationship is a lot more prominent than the one-off of Bow's dad or the fringe characters Spinnerella and Netossa, even with S4 giving the latter at least a few more lines. But the show is still to my gay mind extremely gay. It might lack the explicit gay portrayal of central characters of Steven Universe, but the general *tone* is a lot more gay. And I don't think Entrapta & Hordak were really meant to have much romantic energy, not nearly that of Scorpia & Catra. To me it seemed much more like a matter of friendship between peers. Neither seem like they're that interested in romance anyway. There's a big difference in how scorpia says "friend" about Catra and how Entrapta says it about Hordak. Entrapta & Hordak was closer to something like Entrapta & Bow in how she talks to him.

Flower princess and archer boy also fit well together. She did ask him out to prom. That's serious! :D

Same. Since season 4 I kinda ship glitra.. don’t get me wrong I love scorptra and I’d love to see there friendship be renewed but until then

Huh? What about glimmers parents?

Ahahah. Ahahah, WELL I COME FROM THE FUTURE

Right, let's ruin the book😂😂

@@pinseekergaming4760 please explain how it ruined it in a non homophobic way, otherwise you have no argument but biggotry.

She should have stayed the villain in my opinion. And loved no one I love those types of villains, They had her set up so perfect, Her friend left her, she gets treated badly by everyone in the horde. She had such the perfect set up to be the villain that goes out like a villain nope instead they just make her the good and turn her lesbian. R.I.P the books She was a badass in the books :)

Pinseeker Gaming “turn” her lesbian...you fool this was a lesbian story all along. The show was about love the whole damn time. Being a villain was never in catra’s heart, you’d know that if you really watch the show.

@@lonniegabbie agree. if you rewatch all of their interactions you can pick up on it. adora doesn't show her feelings but the amount of times she gives catra a second, third, fourth chance kinda speaks for itself. i'm so glad she and adora did end up together, they knew each other so well and i feel like putting it off seriously until catra was on the good side was actually a good idea. if she had let herself say it out loud while she was with the horde, that would just confirm how she felt and would've made her "weaker". idk that probably made sense but i really liked their relationship being confusing at the beginning and then clearer once we actually had them in the same room on the same side together

@Gee I know right best villain!!😃

Agree with your opinion on turning Catra good in last moment without even some kind of redemption arc, but not with one on Catra being fav character (she's my least favorite because of how lightly the crew, showrunner and fandom treated her and her actions compared to other characters', especially in the ending) & "Turning her lesbian", because 1. There's nothing wrong with it 2. Like someone else said above, it was definitely planned

I really love how they showed her become the way she did. I don't hate her but getting overconfident because she got too much power and wanted everyone to listen to her was great.

I liked her from the first season

He needs development and some sort of plot significance

Kinda. I was just kinda meh about him. The other characters didnt seem to hate him though. They just tolerated him.

"Did someone say, SWIFT WIND???"

“A character everyone loves to hate” *Byakuya Togami has entered the chat* I know it’s a DanganRonpa freference but it’s a usual thing I do

I find him to be a fantastically hilarious character myself but I can totally see why others dont like him

•LunarSky•Gaming• *flashbacks to berserk and Devilman Crybaby. I’m pretty sure🤣

Let us have some pity for Catra and Adora, please! XD Their lives are complicated enough without anyone going Lucifer, the Godhand, Gilgamesh, Frieza or Cinder Fall on Etheria!

That's an interesting point, but I think he was referring more to gore and such. That being said, season 4 and even season 3 really nail this excellent existential dread. Mid season 3 finale i genuinely thought "oh god, this all right here." With season 4's finale, it's not that it's going to end, it's that the only hope is so small and flickering and distant that it seems that maybe giving up is actually possible, and that's so real that it messes with me. Horde prime has already won, they aren't fighting a potential oppressive government anymore, they're fighting an empire who holds all of the power, and they have virtually nothing. I haven't really seen a kids show play around with themes this heavy and broad before, so I really hope that season five gets announced soon, since right now it hasn't been confirmed to be renewed for another season.

No, it didn't. It really didn't.

Did u ever watched JoJo? Nothin is worst and more dark then SHIZAAAAAAAAAAAA death :(

Leodous Kyron okay so Bow’s Dad’s, Spinerella and Netossa, who’s the third? Because I don’t count Kyle and Rogelio, we get some drawings but nothing in the show depicts them being a couple

MadWILLCraft I did not want to go into It but a celibate person HAS desires for a partner but has set is aside. Your (good) Prest and nuns are examples of this. But they have a desire to be with a gender but repress it for a purpose. I get the feeling that outside of the required use of pronouns - she never has asked herself what she likes and has just stained focused on her goals. I stand on my option and it is how I see it and until the Voice of God says something or someone sneaks out a writing bible I call it like I see it.

Sarcastic Chorus Totally don’t remember right now and should have wrote them up in the post but I did not even use Catra and Scorpia because they are/were passing each other romantically with Catra not really right for it and Scorpia finally realizing that she was wrong for Catra right now.

@@SarcasticChorus yknow I wish we could've seen more of Spintossa more in the inital seasons. Hell, set up their kingdom. Have Adora go around the world getting people to trust her as they still saw her as a villain. Actually use more of the world they were given.

there have been multiple occasions that prove adora has an attraction towards women, whether being lesbian, pan, or bi.

Uhm what about Catra: this is not because I like you Adora:alright xD like the gayest confirmation right there. Adora basically said "Ha you still love me" and Catra like "I knew where you gonna makes this wierd"

@@dazzlingdexter5060 Catra Should have stayed the villain in my opinion. She was such a Bad ass in the books. The old ones before they met made the series 1980s. Would definitely recommend reading them. I like the show because how catra was, The way they said her up. How she was treated badly and how she was in a shadow of her best friend. I didn't really care for the lovers that was a little bit unnecessary but whatever you gotta give the public what they want. Oh well it doesn't beat the books But they set her up so well that they could have done That, Made her the true darkest villain and the entire show that would have been a really good thing And watch her go down as a villain. Be the best thing ever

Agree, Catra has done too much shit in the series for all characters to forgive her as fast as they did, would have loved her to stay a villain permanently

Yeah me too. I know some people see it as if Adora was in love with her the whole time, but I always got the impression that she may have loved Catra very deeply as a friend, but the romantic feelings started to develop around s5, whereas Catra was always in love with Adora, which she said in the finale. Just my perspective though...

I think Catra and Adora were just best friends as children, but nearer the time the show began, Catra started to develop genuine romantic feelings for Adora. When Adora leaves, this expands Catra's abandonment issues, and Catra begins lashing out because of how she feels. Meanwhile, Adora is trying to reconcile the fact that she's starting to feel things when she does encounter Catra, with all the other crazy stuff going on. Like, even as early as Princess Prom, there's some extreme Gay Panic from both characters. I think the creators do summarise it very well with 'it's complicated.' Because it is. We can't look at Catra and Adora's friendship, conflict or attraction in isolation, because all three are so deeply connected with each other.

and netossa and spinarella get lots of screen time in s5 and bow’s dads too! im so happy oh my gosh

MJ Does Art I mean you’re not wrong

I mean I love him so lol

Cannibalistic Fawn I am genuinely curious w h y

@@mjdoesart5210 I personally don't find him annoying but yeah he could use some development and actual story significance

I dont

I was sort of thinking that about Glimmer tbh.

@@sarahhenry3607 To me Glimmer got better in season 4 (because she actually had development) but yeah she was pretty bad in the previous seasons

@@killyourdarlings1305 she wasn't baaaad to me in the second season. Honestly in season 4 I dislike her the most. She is just so damn self righteous thinking she can do no wrong and even when she is she pulls the queen card and fucks everything to hell. Doubt she'll accept the major mess is her fault.

Swift Wind is my comrade. Long live anarcho-unicornism!

I won't even try to change your mind because *you're not wrong.*

This is news to me. I love swift wind and thought everyone did too.

Same omg

I agree so much

thought i was the only one liking swift wind. he was a normal horse and now can fly and talk? who wouldn't react the way he has. He even show annoyance when others mention that he is talking. plus some of the things he say made sense. like how he want stuff for the other horses, showing how he thinks of others of his kind. really don't get the hate he has. he trying to help.

What do you think after it's over now?

I like him

I like him

I like him at some moments and hate him at some moments .

There's a lot of romantic coding there, e.g. in the ball episode and at other times as well. Like you I'm leaning towards it mainly being presented as a close friends/sisterly relationship, but the coding is still there.

@@Mewobiba top ten comments that didnt age well

Aged like milk

They should have kept catra the villain

They dont have the rights to he-man. Im glad they didn’t cuz that would’ve thrown off the show, she-ra had a clear path already.

Which is weird considering that they used Mara, which is a character from The New Adventures of He-Man.

SAME

Me: Season 1-4: Barely likes Glimmer Season 5: Likes her more but not as much as other characters

lil chris tuten he said he saw a reboot

@@allisonmarie9070 That isn't the same as seeing the original, the spinoff and every reboot.

@@lilchristuten7568 doesn't matter cuz she is the best character regardless of that

@@falcied So true they should have kept her the villain they ruined the books and the original series in my opinion. I have no problems with people loving what they want it's just why do it to the main characters?

She is, what other he-man cartoon has gotten any depth or development.

DimondAngel Yo *we’re on the edge of greatness*

Turning darkness to light

We’re right beside you

Ready to fight!

we’re gonna win in the endd

Same

They blushed like three times. Which isn’t nowhere close to enough build up for that final moment

I do prefer creators stay out of shipping wars for this express purpose, especially in terms of any gay relationships. You're not representing anyone in a positive way if you slap two characters together with no build up or meaningful connection. It doesn't stick. I prefer my romance to make sense. Even if the characters don't show open romantic interest in each other it can still work if they clearly gel well with each other in their interactions. But hey, only time will really tell if they go down that path here and if they can actually make such an outcome satisfying. I mean we all know a certain claw handed character who would certainly fit the bill far more satisfyingly for the cat.