Hi Stefan, great comment. It is worth saying that Rab have designed the Valiance now as an everyday jacket so believe sacrificing 100g in weight saving and a slightly bulkier pack size is worth it when they are able to use recycled down its also notable that its a minimum 700FP so more likely higher. Rab also decided to make the biggest impact possible with recycled down by making there best selling jackets with recycled down, they could probably find a higher quality recycled down, but it would not be in large enough quantities. They still make jackets with 800fp down which are waterproof, Resolution and Summit Batura jacket, also you could look at the Infinity Alpine and Infinity jacket, both of which use wind stopper and are very weather resistant and light.

This is just one of the reasons why I prefer to buy the previous normal versions of Rab down jackets, down pants and sleeping bags (and other brands like Mountain Equipment etc) and steer clear of the latest so-called 'recycled' versions, which in my opinion are of a lower quality. All this 'ethical' push by the industry does not impress me at all.

@@Globetrotter-1 2 great comments by you and Stefan, couldn’t agree more 👏🏻

@@danieltimothy223 Fill weight is far more important than fill power. Companies tend to hide the total weight of down inside a jacket and often only provide details of the fill power. A jacket with more of 550 fill will be warmer than the same jacket with only half the amount of 800 fill. They do this because so many people are obsessed with the highest fill power, so they can sell far more stock if they don't include details of the actual amount of that 800 stuffed into them. For example, I have a North Face Arctic Baltoro 600 (almost exactly the same as the Expedition Baltoro 800/Himalayan 800 Expedition versions). It has kept me warm in severe winter ❄️ weather worldwide since 2005. Last week I washed it in Grangers down wash and it came out of the tumble drier looking like new! That is another thing that I have found with most of the top outdoor gear brands, that most have dropped sharply in quality during the last 15-years. The sheer quality of materials, zipper strength, amount of useful pockets etc are rarely seen in modern day serious weather clothing. The downward spiral of quality is mainly due to the maddening pursuit of 'ultra lightweight' to the detriment of important robustness, and the global marketing ploy of advertising 'sustainable' and 'ethical' as some sort of positive flag to wave.

@@Globetrotter-1largely concur. Though I’d add that you may still find outdoor brands producing thoughtfully designed, well made, durable & fully-featured technical gear…providing you’re willing to pay a pretty hefty premium.

So glad you like it!!

This is a really great jacket, I've had one for about 2-3 years now and love it! Nice to know one layer has me prepared for what ever the day has to offer!

Thanks , its this or batura , for freezing scottish highland horizontal downpours

They moved to 700fp because they moved using recycled down. Sadly they cannot assure 800fp when using recycled down so moved to a lower fp. Personally I couldn't tell the difference and I would imagine that this move is unlikely to affect 90% of people using the jacket. It'll still be nice and warm plus due to the waterproof outer it will retain heat much better than a normal down jacket anyway

That's a very fair point. We will definitely keep that in mind for future videos thanks!

I'm 5"9 and weigh 80kg. I hope that helps 😄

Sorry, and what size was the jacket you wore? @@tauntonleisure

Size Medium

I'm 5 10 about 88kg you reckon medium would be ok for me?

Good Moring, From the information you have provided I would suggest you go for Medium.

@@tauntonleisure Thank you! I really appreciate that you got back to me so promptly!

Hi, It is one of the bulkiest and heaviest insulated jackets Rab make, it will not compress that small, I would suggest the Infinity jacket which is still very weather resistant and will pack smaller, or the Mythic Ultra, which is not great in bad weather but will pack up very small and weighs the least. All three are going to be warm enough it depends what you value most out of weight, pack size and weather proofness. For wild camping my personal choice would be the Mythic Ultra, in bad wet weather at camp I would be inside my tent, short periods in the wet will be fine as the down is hydrophobic.

Hi, the Valiance has a single zip, the ladies Valiance Parka has a 2-way zipper to help deal with extra length.

Depends on the regularity. Any friction/abrasion will eventually leave marks. However, it has a durable pertex outer so for day packs and work bags you would have no issues

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Yep 100%. All the seams are all taped and the outer is a pretext shield. I've owned one for a little over 2 years and have never had an issue.

Hi, on the scales in store it came at 920g, it should not get much heavier when wet as the jacket is water proof and the down in hydrophobic, so unless submerged the down will stay dry and not act like a sponge. The face fabric might soak up some moisture but this should not affect the total weight too much. Hope this helps.

@@tauntonleisure thank you, very helpful indeed

It does pack away into a stuff sack. However, due to the fact it a large jacket and a waterproof jacket combined it'd not the smallest pack size