You need to learn Java to pay for your Rust habit lol! If you are lucky you may get to write Go instead of Java. If you are unlucky you will be writing Node microservices.

In case you're looking for a Rust job: letsgetrusty.com/jobs

@@letsgetrusty sadly at the moment there's no rust job in my region, I don't mind that much because I love rust and I want to continue using it for my own project but would be even better if I can find a job that let me use my favorite language

I'm confused. What kind of refactor can a jetbrains editor do that vscode or neovim cannot?

@@wrong1029nothing realy times where that was a jetbrais only pro is long gone

⁠@@wrong1029I’m not too sure because I’m not familiar with VSCode but the thing with Jetbrains is they index the entirety of your codebase and file structures including names of files, functions, variables, and even string paths to files and make trees with the underlying data, so that when you refactor anything including moving a file, all the variables, strings and functions and imports all update to the new path. And so on. They get really language specific, like when you use Golang changing a mod name will change every call to the modules as well as all the imports to the new name.

@@massy-3961 Underrated power.

@@wrong1029 you can refactor even in notepad.exe. Main question how much pain it will cause. JB products - less pain

It's a generous relative comparison.

The thing setting it apart is JetBrains. I've been using JB IDEs for years and it would be a considerable productivity hit to move to something else. With RustRover, we have even more competition in the Rust IDE space, which should make all tools better

I know that Rust and C and C++ people think that debugger is this ugly thing that is hard to use and mostly useless... But if they get it right in RR, it will be a game changer for Rust. If they get 50% of what JetBrains offer for Java or C# in this regard, you would be blown away. Also, the IDE can do SO MUCH MORE. It's one of the best DB tools on the market already - I don't use PgAdmin or MSSQLS anymore, it's Rider (IDE for C#). It can recognize the SQL in your code, and when you select the schema, type check it for you. Display sample rows or columns. It remembers your context per git branch - opened docs, bookmarks etc Of course, you probably can get all of this in VS code or even Nvim, but with the IDE you get it out of the box. I've been using Rider for the last 4 years, I am still discovering features - mostly new places where I can just start typing to filter the options

I've found VSCode to be slow and buggy for Rust.

yeah, codespaces are a pain on jetbrains ide's but their docker and database integration is a fair trade for me

@@LetrixAR I found VS Code to be slow and buggy for almost anything. :(

@@ThePC007 yes its Slow on bigger code bases and not so powerful machine, but buggy? 🤔

@@lukeskywalker7029 I found that a lot of times it would fail to show compiler errors correctly, show errors that weren’t actually there, fail to find the definition of a symbol, etc. I mean, sure, the bugs were likely located in the extensions responsible for those features, rather than VS Code itself, but what does it matter when I can use a JetBrains IDE which “just works”, while VS Code oftentimes doesn’t work too well (for certain languages/frameworks).

That's cause you've never tried Visual Studio :)

Electron and performance are oxymoronic

​@@happygofishingStill better performance than any of JetBrains IDEs though

​@@whatever990because we never tried shit

Who tf cares about the performance of my ide. I have plenty of ram and it taking seven cpu cycles more to render the font is not the reason my code doesn’t work.

In what sense is VS Code limited in refactoring and debugging? I couldn't experience this within my little Rust projects. The work is essentially done by the Rust plugins which are pretty great.

debugging and refactoring should works great, I've used these features in the rust plugin for IntelliJ and CLion which got turned into this new IDE

@@StefaNoneD vscode is functional enough, but as soon as you want to do something like or more than stepping through the program with a debugger then it expects you to write a full debugging setup per project, and its very prone to breaking in my experience of using it for the last year or so. I’m using RustRover atm., and even though the IDE itself isnt stable yet, the rust functionality is on point and just works. If you’ve used a JetBrains IDE you know why people buy them, they really are better than the alternative unless you’re making a neovim setup from scratch or use a custom visual studio setup for work that only works with another editor.

@@mikkelens If you would talk about C++, I could follow, because C++ and VS Code is PITA. I use CLion for C++. But altough CLion is better for C++, for me it's still PITA, because refactoring is error prone and slow, and - for some reasons - debugging is very slow (there is a very old ticket for that) and there are many regressions on version updates.

@@StefaNoneD TBF, there's probably no full featured IDE that can handle C++ correctly because the entire ecosystem is fragmented (5+ mainsteam build systems) and the language is basically a rube goldberg machine. Even very stable tools like clang-format have issues dealing with its syntax.

Agreed!

I'm so gutted for Vim. . . I think over time NeoVim will take over for that community seeing as Bram was so dedicated to it's development. There's already been talk of only having security support for Vim.

isn't jetbrains also using rust analyzer?

VS Code is not really FOSS considering the proprietary telemetry. Apart from that, I agree!

​@@t-e-eVS Codium

stay away from async for as long as you can, king. it's well worth it to learn the core language first and all of the async rust gotchas later

@@jenreiss3107 lol, async with rust is very simple if you are not doing complex stuff

Same!

I'm on the other side, I just use the correct Jetbrains IDE for everything. That way a get consistency between languages, but also to right custom stuff for each language without endless fiddling with plugins and settings.

If you have a really big vimrc like me, then worry not! All jetbrains ides can parse and use your existing vimrc!

You need to be stopped

I would really use either NeoVIM or Helix .. but none of the other IDEs mentioned in the video .. they are good .. Specially RR, but none compares to VIM productivity once fully configured

@@DiaaKasem0 +1 for Helix. Its an awesome Terminal Editor

Completely agree, vim is ultimate especially. All these IDE features shown in the video can be integrated with vim/nvim by anybody with some knowledge around this. Plus you only have the features you need and it's not proprietary rubbish and doesn't bloat your system

agreed, thats why I use helix

RR is free for the moment. I also have vs code.. try one , try another

I really hope they do an community edition like they did with pycharm

@@wumwum42Probably not as Rust is far less popular than Python. By providing a community edition for Pycharm JetBrains gets new programmers who usually start with Python used to their great products straight away and more likely to continue using them

Why does the programming language written and compiled from, matters for a development environment? I can understand this for interpreted languages, but isn't it the point of compiled languages that the source does not matter, unless you are working with the source?

So, helix?

if you aren't joking, use helix/lapce.

@@thingsiplay If you don't improve your tools then you cap your maximum efficiency. Tailoring your tools to deal with your code allows you to further increase your productivity, and this may be more easily achieved when everything's written in the same language.

@@ShadoFXPerino No, this is not more easily achieved if the tools are written in the language. That has no impact, unless you are working with the source itself. It has 0 impact (again, unless you work or need the source of the editor itself). You should focus on the quality of the product instead the language it is written in, if you want improve and choose the best editor/ide for you.

that's how jetbrains does things, i guess

I mean obviously that plugin is not going to get any more improvements, and they're only going to improve RustRover. I could be mistaken, but I think they already did this with Go. I can see people talk about how there used to be a CLion plugin for Go years ago, but I can't find it anymore now that JetBrains has the GoLand IDE.

@@jolynele2587I felt that way with RubyMine tbh. Also, Fleet is still a thing, right? I guess It aint a concern to me, I don’t use jetbrains stuff lol.

@@twenty-fifth420 fleet is available non commercially. i haven't used fleet and don't plan to, but a vscode alternative not written in electron is always welcome

nope, just killed the plugin to make more cash

🤓

Updating rustup also updates the compiler, clippy and rustanalyzer... what more do you need?

In my experience JetBrains IDEs are very quick to add support for new language features even before they're officially released. E.g. they added support for GoLang generics when they were still a preview feature.

AAAHAHAHAHAHA

Agree; However, via WSLg you can run it from your Linux distro, install locally. I found JetBrains WSL integration lacking and poor performance compaired to VSCode. I switched to running the tools from Linux when I do. I mostly rely on Helix though.

@@ShayneHartford I don’t want a remote workspace, I just want rustrover to use the toolchain in WSL. That does not work yet despite similar things working in RubyMine and Webstorm.

Since all their other IDE's are free for academic use I would guess that it will be too.

it is going to be the same as their other ides

Pretty sure it will be free for educational purposes. It is already listed in their all products pack that you get with the edu licence.

@@Vica1904 I didnt know. thx!

the features he showed (besides the integrated HTTP server) are all things vscode already has though? you can make a snippet for a test module/test function if you want to and it's even pretty easy

@@oxey_ i meant the inegrated part. If i rename a function in rustrover, it would change that function across all of my project. On vscode this is something that takes a while and isnt worth it

​@@pretro6136F2

JetBrains has always done their own thing with their own tooling and it's fantastic. I don't remember any time in the past they've "split the community" by doing their own thing, there'll still be a huge backing for rust-analyzer especially given this will eventually be a paid product.

@@RyanBreaker nothing they realy do is fantastic sub par at best there is literally no reason to pay for their product apart from branding and marketing you just pay for stuff that you can have for free

​@@NonsensGamingI've used JetBrains for pretty much my entire career and it provides for me great value out of the box. The refactoring, git, database, and other tools are fantastic compared to getting the same functionality out of VS Code. I say this as a proud nvim user on the side, too.

How will it split the community? Why can't the two exist? For example, we don't really see only GCC out there, there are others.

OSS does not mean paid products do not have their value. YOU are a developer, you can spend that money in a weekend doing stupid stuff, or invest it for a year to have a professional tool. Don't be cheap.

Ahahaha ikr, the above are all pretty rubbish in comparison to a personally configured DE

offended by fully-fledged, out of the box, cool-feature-rich commercially standardised ide's?

@stalker200368 nope, just offended by the suggestion that those products are performant

@@yelmak why arent they? A bit of indexing in the beginning and you can do almost everything instantly

Fair

There's a .idea folder for every Intellij Project instantiated through the IDE. But its hidden in the IDE unless you toggle it in the settings or go to the folder directly in the explorer. check-on-save, and other on-save actions can also be configured in the settings, no different from VSCode.

@@BlaQsheeeP Including target specs? Because when you’re compiling for `x86_64-unknown-none` it helps to make sure the IDE knows that so it doesn’t try to compile `std` against your will and throw a cascade of errors.

@@kennystrawnmusic I am really not sure! I'm playing around with Rust Rover a little, if I find out I will let you know. I would assume that its somewhere in the idea folder.

But the good news is that this is not an issue with vscode, but the extension. It will be ironed out.

​@@avinashthakur80 correct, but until then. RR will be the king. competition is great for that exact reason.

@@avinashthakur80 Yes thats right, it is the extension. Are they working on it to get that cargo support with feature switch for packages inside a workspace? That would be great.

Lazygit is the way

In which scenarios does nvim shne where rr does not?

Tried using Kate for C++ way back and while it worked better than I initially expected, it wasn't the best experience. Never tried it with Rust though, given how great the tooling is Kate might be nice to use. I'm personally waiting for Lapce to fix last few quirks and then I'm switching to it instead.

Rust rover would have some better snippets and code suggestions. If you are new to rust those might be helpful. Setting up debugger and refactoring is also pretty nice in jetbrains products

You did not just ask that brother

@@reihanboo why? neovim literally has everything

They are probably using rust-analyzer aahahah

@@jonnyso1 no, theyre using the rust Plugin previously provided for intellij that uses a jetbrains standard instead of lsp, since intellij didnt get lsp support unil very recently.

yes that is true. vsc has great performance and lightweight-ness compared to other IDEs and editors.

This was my experience as well, and prompted me to do an immediate uninstall.. I'll wait until they are ready before trying again.

Nvm, I just heard it will be a paid product

good luk with your 990000 plugins and still have rust anylazer or any other lang to stop working

No, Java and netbeans FTW

Exactly. Nothing better than Vim/Neovim.

@@thingsiplay bot

helix better

@@minatonamikaze2637 helix hasn't been updated since march, still waiting for many missing features

yep

Right! I'm forced to use VSCode at my current client for security reasons (I.e., its the only approved IDE) and I can't fathom how anybody can compare it to a JetBrains IDE. Clunky, slow, plug ins are variable at best, integration is meh. But hey, its free. Can't help but laugh at the irony of professional devs crying about paid tools. I guess they're all full time volunteers for FOSS projects because they're definitely not making commercial software.....

It is not going to be as fast as NeoVim or Helix however the performance shouldn't be an issue. IntelliJ is an outlier when it comes to JetBrains tools as it is notoriously slower than the other IDE's provided such as CLion, PHPStorm, Webstorm, and RustRover.

tbh this is GC hate FUD. Java has had decades to improve it's GC perf and the fact is most working devs don't have time to write their own .vimrc

> ... in Java which is also not know for its good performance this no longer valid - it's no longer running on jre8

you can absolutely make a performant app in java, and no I dont want to see your microbenchmarks

Do you compare SUVs with intercontinental missiles?