depends on thr horse

@@danwolfe238 yeah well if you need to use any kind brutal devices on any horse, then they maybe they just shouldn’t even be ridden. My horses are extremely high strung and strong and I managed to train them all to ride in a hackamore, with no bit needed. Unfortunately so many people think that they need such harsh bits to be able to control their horses, when in reality it’s themselves that are the problem, and not the poor innocent horses. I’m sorry but you shouldn’t need a bit to be able to control your horse, and it’s just really sad because so many people think that they know what their doing, but all their doing is just ruining their horses by damaging their mouths!!