Level Up Your Poetry Reading | Understanding Difficult Poems

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Writing with Andrew

Writing with Andrew

Күн бұрын

Poems aren't riddles, but they can feel like they are at time. In this video, we talk about how you can approach a challenging poem in order to get a better understanding and take in the experience it's meant to convey.
0:00 Introduction
1:50 Ground Rules
4:51 What Does It Even Say?
14:30 Meaningful Experiences
18:25 Conclusion

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@ahshucks
@ahshucks 11 ай бұрын
"And don't forget to fling out broad the hung bell's name to stay notified for my next video."
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Way too good
@ahshucks
@ahshucks 11 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew all yours if you need it
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
@@ahshucks lol, noted!
@ErrybodyGetTypsy
@ErrybodyGetTypsy 8 ай бұрын
This is the poetic breakdown I've needed my entire life. If I had seen this in High School I would have read 879% more poetry by now
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
That's a good percentage--if only lol! Glad it helped!
@john-ic5pz
@john-ic5pz 5 ай бұрын
I used to love reading poetry aloud but "art is for sissies" where I grew up. thank you for reminding me why I enjoyed it, as an adult. keep up your good work for us: 🗝️ to locked doors. ❤️‍🩹
@morbidkoala8678
@morbidkoala8678 8 ай бұрын
For a long time I’ve felt nothing but frustration at not just poetry, but other difficult to understand pieces of art. It felt like something that I wasn’t allowed to access because my brain just didn’t work like that; I couldn’t read a poem and see what was going on, it was just nonsense. I felt that way at the start of this video, when you first read As Kingfishers Catch Fire, but bit by bit I began to understand and really feel what the poem was saying. By the end I had decided that it was possibly one of my favorite things I’ve ever read. I’ve been a writer all my life and always wanted to be a poet - the inherent beauty of language has always appealed to me - but it was always too opaque. I can’t thank you enough for opening the door to this art form for me and I can’t wait to experience more of it!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
I love that--that's very similar to my first experience with the poem! I'm excited about all the awesome poems in your future!
@huugosorsselsson4122
@huugosorsselsson4122 6 ай бұрын
Few poets celebrate the beauty of the English language as Hopkins do. I challenge anyone to find a poet more purely musical.
@adampotter9331
@adampotter9331 8 ай бұрын
I would totally watch a series of videos each just breaking down a poem like this! (to practice and build up confidence :) )
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Thanks--you've actually given me an interesting idea just now...puttin' it on the list!
@UnchartedAtlas
@UnchartedAtlas 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for both introducing me to this beautiful poem, but also giving another fantastic lesson on reading poetry in a better way. You're undoing all the damage schools have done to literature one video at a time. Keep it up
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much--that's the goal!
@gettingthere007
@gettingthere007 11 ай бұрын
Good stuff! I wish we learned poetry like this in HS, in a way that doesn’t make it so elitist. I like individual poem analysis
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Thanks! It's especially strange when so many poets outright reject that kind of elitism, but we do what we can!
@NTNG13
@NTNG13 11 ай бұрын
Getting through Hopkin's poems as an ESL speaker is taxing the first dozen times just to get a bearing of the meaning and the sound. After that his stuff is truly magic, verily charged with the grandeur of God.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Boy, ain't that the truth!
@Daniel-wi6sk
@Daniel-wi6sk 8 ай бұрын
Also an ESL speaker, and a poetry lover (in French and a few other languages), I always found Gerard Manley Hopkins daunting : deconstructed grammar, nouns as verbs, and in fact all grammatical entities freely flowing into one another… I always felt there was a profound sense of sound and rhythm though. But thanks to your amazing video, I definitely will give it another go !
@NTNG13
@NTNG13 8 ай бұрын
@@Daniel-wi6sk The prolifc alliteration and the consonance mixed with the rhyming is a work of genius to behold. A poet that dazzles you with the fireworks of brilliance.
@quarkquark1
@quarkquark1 8 ай бұрын
Thank you. This is the first time I've ever felt close to truly appreciating a poem.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
You're so welcome--I'm really happy to hear it! Go get 'em!
@edmago72
@edmago72 11 ай бұрын
It’s a shame schools are leaving this out, people need this, we need this …
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much--let's spread the word!
@edmago72
@edmago72 11 ай бұрын
Than you! I have a question, is there any point of hearing poems recited if you not know it yet? Because I think based on your teaching that you won’t get it If you hear it and not know it.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
@@edmago72 I think both are valuable in different ways--and you don't really have a choice if you ever go to a poetry reading. You'll get a better sense of sound and rhythm by listening to a poem, but you may need to find a written copy to revisit if you miss something
@GraceTemptation
@GraceTemptation 8 ай бұрын
Great video! I'm definitely showing this to my students. They come to my intro to lit class mostly disliking poetry due to poor high school instruction or thinking any poem which is not an instapoem isn't for them.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Thanks--that means a lot! I run into the same thing all the time. It's too bad that they come with that baggage, but it is fun seeing the light bulbs go on when they get it
@LisaB_12204
@LisaB_12204 8 ай бұрын
Thank you gentle sir. I wrote poetry in high school. I'm told it was good. This podcast was very helpful in understanding what poetry is. I now teach ESL to beginners. And I just started trying to write poems again.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Oh, you're very welcome! I've spent a lot of time around ESL teachers--lots of respect!
@chrisarndt4424
@chrisarndt4424 8 ай бұрын
Reading these poems which use interesting kinds of complexity to convey their meaning reminds me of listening to music from genres I'm unfamiliar with, like modern classical compositions or folk musics from other parts of the world. With some effort and time, I can (begin to) understand the structure and intention behind the art, and that brings about a level of comprehension that is really beautiful and wonderful to be a part of. But there's also a level of beauty that can be appreciated without having any clue what's happening; until you described what was going on, I was totally lost in the line "Deals out that being indoors each one dwells", but I also just loved the way it sounded. Likewise, I don't always know what's happening in a bee-bop jazz solo, but it's still pleasant to let it just kind of wash over me. Thanks for your videos! I just found your channel and I love it so far.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
I love this perspective--and I'm with you: even if I didn't understand anything he was saying, I could listen to Hopkins' poems on repeat forever
@imokin86
@imokin86 8 ай бұрын
That was a brilliant presentation! Thank you so much. You are able to go deep while staying very clear. I'm a fan of poetry and reading in general, and have the privilege of reading in more than one language. And the enjoyment of how it sounds, beyond individual words, has always been what I love the most about poetry. It doesn't need to be super smart.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! I really appreciate that--especially that last part: not everything has to be a master's thesis 😖
@FortniteGod-qi7mr
@FortniteGod-qi7mr 3 ай бұрын
thanks for helping me understand romanticism poems but they sometimes have literal and metaphorical meanings and you made it easier for me to understand both thanks ❤
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 3 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it helped!
@Serendip98
@Serendip98 8 ай бұрын
Actually, even after having read several times those 2 stanzas, I couldn't make anything out if it (that brute wrote in English, but even the English can't understand him!) and just got a headache. BUT I immediately felt the musicality in it, and since the first verse (parallelism, Kingfishers Catch Fire / Dragonflies Draw Flame), rim / roundy, etc, and then that incredible cascade of sounds in verses 4 and 5 : stones ring, indeed! Later it's getting much more quiet and "normal", as long as the sounds are concerned. So I like listening to it, and don't really care what it means, especially when looking at the personality of Hopkins : a clam frog who dedicated his life to his God and the whole mess going with it. Nothing interesting. So I'm sticking to the surface, and leave the depths to the wise men.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, you could do far worse than to just get lost in the sounds. Some readers complain about it, but if a poem can make me forget what it's about because I'm so wrapped up in how it sounds, I'm having a good day
@Serendip98
@Serendip98 8 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew I am very sensitive to the musicality of poetry, and originally, poetry was sung anyway. This is why I think it is very difficult to write a poem today without taking into account the rhythm and the sounds: you have to be even stronger on the images, the meaning, the style etc., and it's not easy at all.
@goodchannelanimated4732
@goodchannelanimated4732 5 ай бұрын
This is mind boggling to me! It seemed very challenging to comprehend before and suddenly it all made sense?! Very cool :D!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 5 ай бұрын
Thanks--glad to hear it!
@arthurkearney6193
@arthurkearney6193 5 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. Enjoyed poetry many years ago in school but it got too complicated later. I enjoyed the commentary and makes a poem accessible.
@Rew5336
@Rew5336 4 ай бұрын
Well! I got the gist of it ; the video is as cool as like climbing the Mt. Everest, in my opinion. I am from India 🇮🇳. I hope your the thing that you have had explained in this video, will help me in my upcoming examination. Well whatever, I am now confident , just as fighting a lion or even a Siberian or a Royal Bengal Tiger. Thank You! Jai Hind!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 4 ай бұрын
You're welcome! Go get 'em!
@sceKernelDestroy
@sceKernelDestroy 8 ай бұрын
A revelation! Thanks a bunch!
@osoaioi
@osoaioi Ай бұрын
I’ve been wanting to learn more about William Blake, and I’ve been stumped while trying to read his poetry but your video has helped immensely! Thank you ^^
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew Ай бұрын
You bet!
@robertdufour2456
@robertdufour2456 8 ай бұрын
Wonderful!
@feriasexta
@feriasexta 8 ай бұрын
What a lovely video. Your gentle explanation draws us forward, step-by-step, into a process, an understanding, and a delight - in this poem, religion and our language. I hope you make more deep dive videos into "difficult" poems. Your manner is winning.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! I'll put it on the list!
@robertdufour2456
@robertdufour2456 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this presentation!
@preeeedeeee
@preeeedeeee 2 ай бұрын
I've always wondered what it's like to "squeeze the lemonade" when it comes to close reading. This video brought me closer to that realization than I've ever been. Thank you for this!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 2 ай бұрын
You bet--I'm happy to hear that!
@brucel1185
@brucel1185 3 ай бұрын
Now that I've watched this I'm going to re-read my book of Jack Spicer poems. He so powerfully embodies the vibrant, powerful emotions of life in experiencing his poems, and yet I understand someone as technically precise and emotionally existential as Wallace Stevens far better!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 3 ай бұрын
That's great to hear!
@technopoptart
@technopoptart 8 ай бұрын
i appriciate those lovely little library discards i spy behind you, even old books deserve to be loved
@NZAnimeManga
@NZAnimeManga 11 ай бұрын
Wow, that's really helpful! Thanks -- what a splendid poem!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Isn't it? Glad the video helped too
@Charlie_Duz
@Charlie_Duz 8 ай бұрын
How do you know if you're reading a good or bad poem, as in technically sound or unsound? How do you know if a poem is 'bad' or just not to your taste? Whenever I pick up a book of poetry I feel like I'm going into battle: I feel frustrated and kind of accept defeat at the outset. Like I'm massively outgunned by my own stupidity. Not to mention being mocked for it by the author. I still have a long way to go. You could be my knight in shining bow tie and tweed armour. 🙏
@Charlie_Duz
@Charlie_Duz 8 ай бұрын
Actually, the Hopkins poem started to clear for me as you went along. You've got yourself a sub.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Hey, I'm glad to hear it! I spent a good long time staring at the same poem and feeling like a dunce at first. Little by little, we get there in the end
@David.rivas.alexis
@David.rivas.alexis 3 ай бұрын
Bravo Andrew, I feel like your friend, the skull, is a great teaching tool in itself. when he chimes in i first was alarmed by it, then after a while my brain ignores it but its still distracting. So then now i feel im more concentrated in what you are teaching and speaking. what a great tool to keep us engaged.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@vigator1301
@vigator1301 3 ай бұрын
Glad I found your channel. Been trying to go deeper into English poetry, but for me being Swedish the language used can sometimes be very daunting... It's somewhat comforting knowing you native speakers are struggling as well 😂. I've always thought English and Swedish share a lot of similarities, but when it comes to poetic expression they are miles apart.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 3 ай бұрын
Thanks--rest assured, it's not just you--and it's great that you're trying to go deeper! I'm glad the videos are helping, too!
@Tom_Tom_Klondike
@Tom_Tom_Klondike 8 ай бұрын
I loves this so much!!!!
@user-wn4il9ki2h
@user-wn4il9ki2h 8 ай бұрын
Why has no one mentioned how funny the skull's quips are :D Also great video! Made me less intimidated by trying to read poetry and also undid some damage done in high school (where no one ever taught us how to read poems but somehow expected we would instantly know their "true meanings")
@nevilleattkins586
@nevilleattkins586 8 ай бұрын
quite apart from poetry not being a thing, but an experience to be enjoyed - as apparently there are numerous learned studies that will tell that this where true enjoyment's to be found. GMH gives so much not just a whole theology but also how it feels to really hold that theory in mind so exquisitely that it can't help but echo true in the reader's mind. It occurs to me that it has the same cognitive pyromancy as Ted Hughe's 'Thought Fox'.
@stavokg
@stavokg 8 ай бұрын
How can there only be 109 comments on this fantastic presentation? Thank you for analyzing so beautifully this sacred poem that means so much to you. I love it too, thanks to you.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Anytime--thank you!
@mikesmithz
@mikesmithz 11 ай бұрын
I always thought you had to read poems using the "poetry voice" until i saw your video about just reading them in your normal voice. Totally changed how i read poems...although i still have to read Shakespeare out in a ye olde english accent to get the full effect...
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Ha, well, naturally! (You have to make Shakespeare fun somehow... lol)
@qu1nnny
@qu1nnny 8 ай бұрын
i love your poetry videos! thank you
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
No problem--and thank you too!
@Jane-zp7hy
@Jane-zp7hy 27 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 27 күн бұрын
You're very welcome!
@sixevensage7004
@sixevensage7004 8 ай бұрын
Its the spirit of the words. When taken out of context the words lose meaning. I like your understanding of poems, its the experience and connection the writer is trying to have with the reader. An art with words
@BKNeifert
@BKNeifert 8 ай бұрын
This is a good video. Thanks bro. I approve of this message. The first video was like the hook, and this is the fish. I have to admit, your first video seemed specious, but with this context, it now makes a lot more sense what you were trying to say. Poetry isn't about consolidating twenty lines into one answer. It's about a conversation. Now I get where you were coming from. I like this channel, now. Despite the bad first impression it gave me, this definitely is a gem. Yeah, I'm the same way with Hopkins. He's difficult to penetrate. Though he wrote a few really good ones. Like I especially loved "God's Grandeur" as that had a very nuanced and precise meaning. But, his poetry is very utterance based, and not very meaningful. I truly get nothing out of him, still. Pwwh, Hopkins is too deep for me. You really are a good reader of poetry. Your first video is deceptive. But, this is masterful. I think I just don't like Hopkin's music... it's not really anchored to anything, and it seems esoteric at first. Like, I really don't get him at all, and don't like the sound of the poetry enough to really try to penetrate it. It doesn't hook you with anything, but like you said, is like a black veil. I like poetry that has a lot of tension and immediately brings thoughts, even if not the actual meaning of the verse. Hopkins isn't very lucid, I think is the word. You'd like my collection Fairyland. It reminisces of Hopkins' poetry. I personally don't like that style I wrote in, but if Hopkins is considered beautiful, then you're going to like Brittos and the song about wicked John. It's very much reminiscent of Hopkins'.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, I really appreciate that. That's exactly it--sometimes, a little attitude repair is necessary before we get into the nuts and bolts (which we do more of in this one for sure).
@callmewhoever
@callmewhoever 11 ай бұрын
Thank u, this was helpful. I pray your channel grows.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot--I appreciate that!
@ryanbaum5887
@ryanbaum5887 8 ай бұрын
I love this! Thank you!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@celinecantamessi633
@celinecantamessi633 10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this video. I find myself drawn to poems of the Romantics like Byron, Keats and Shelley, but feel as if the deeper meaning is somehow lost on me and i am just appreciating some superficial version of it. I will try to revisit some using your method. I also find it difficult to distinguish whether poetry is “good”. What makes one good and another bad? Is me appreciating it enough for it to be good?
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 10 ай бұрын
I think a lot of what counts as "good" is down to a matter of taste, and different qualities will appeal to different people. But I also think a lot of readers and writers of poetry tend to value freshness (rather than cliche), specificity (rather than generalization), and image (rather than abstraction) among other things like form and sound. What you like is what you like, though, and I'd say that's good enough!
@TonyRush
@TonyRush 8 ай бұрын
At 7:19 : "...that means that our first job is to begin looking for patterns or anything that can give us a clue..." " This statement contradicts the earlier statement that a poem is "not a puzzle to be figured out". The reality is that much of poetry IS a puzzle. Were it not so, we wouldn't have so many people who are curious about poetry who then turn away in frustration. I'm one of them. This video (and the previous one) makes some inspiring promises about how to experience poetry. But, I have to say that -- so far -- I'm not getting it. Not for lack of trying. But there are countless poems like this one that are either deliberately opaque or which require one to rise to a level of pretension just to pretend to know what the author meant. It's so exhausting.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
I don't see it that way: poetry isn't (for the most part) meant to be incomprehensible because that would defeat the purpose, and poets are far less pretentious than the critics who study (and end up teaching) poetry. Hopkins' work wasn't even published until after his death--he wasn't trying to impress or confuse anyone. But it is true that poetry works in ways that are different from more familiar prose genres. To say that a poem isn't a puzzle is to defuse the apprehension that many feel when approaching a poem and to focus on experiencing what is immediately obvious instead of worrying about some hidden "deep meaning." To say that we need to step back and look for patterns is to recognize that we need to acknowledge that structure is vitally important in poetry (and not something we're often well practiced at paying attention to). The first read of a poem may be puzzling--but that doesn't mean the poem is a puzzle. There's a difference between not having much experience as a reader and being deliberately kept out by a writer who wants to confuse and obscure. I shared this poem because it was genuinely a light-bulb moment for me--but also because it's in the public domain. And part of the challenge may just be the difference in time that we often run into with "classic" poems. In the classroom, I'm much more likely to direct my students to poets who are writing now. One of my favorite contemporary writers is Ted Kooser: his poems reward careful reading, but it would be practically impossible to call him or his work pretentious. His work is much more accessible and could be a good place to start
@ultramarinetoo
@ultramarinetoo 8 ай бұрын
A puzzle is primarily a task, where the result is deliberately obscured, and if you find the "solution" you get a pat on the back for being clever. Good poetry is someone trying to communicate something as best they can. This can still be difficult to understand, especially if you don't share the same language and context of poet - how much do we have in common with an English Jesuit priest in the 1800s? But there's no "right solution", and no prize for "getting it"; just an experience to be had, and maybe the pleasure of beautiful language, or an interesting new idea. Like in art or music, it's supposed to be enjoyable, not a chore. Maybe you would enjoy modern poets more?
@pepijnstreng4643
@pepijnstreng4643 5 күн бұрын
To me the statement that it's not a riddle means that there's not something hidden behind the text that we can't see. A text can be difficult and to understand it we may have to sort of analyse what the text says. But we're still just talking about what it actually says, not about things that aren't there in the text.
@thissunchild
@thissunchild 8 ай бұрын
This is a wonderful breakdown. It's made me want to read and write poetry myself 😅
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Yes--do it!
@Prachi-jn8cv
@Prachi-jn8cv 2 ай бұрын
I love your Channel sir, Your videos are really very helpful and informative. Thank you so much!!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 2 ай бұрын
You're very welcome!
@KNK-22
@KNK-22 8 күн бұрын
Nice explanation sir.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@gatsu01
@gatsu01 9 ай бұрын
thanks for making so helpful videos:)
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 9 ай бұрын
You're very welcome--thanks for watching!
@cripplingdisgust
@cripplingdisgust 11 ай бұрын
oooh goddamit i'm so glad i stumbled upon your channel andrew! wanna be a translator, hope i'll be able to handle poetic texts better to adapt them for other languages
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
That's awesome--and thanks so much!
@imokin86
@imokin86 8 ай бұрын
Translating poetry is quite hard but extremely rewarding, building a small world from fragments given to you, like a model railway.
@bsdiceman
@bsdiceman 9 ай бұрын
thanjs for sharing
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 9 ай бұрын
No problem!
@BrandonCase
@BrandonCase 7 ай бұрын
More poetry teaching, please!
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 7 ай бұрын
You got it!
@dismith73
@dismith73 8 ай бұрын
For G.M.H. I could feel sorry for the Grand Old Sod He did his stressful utmost to be loyal To his greatness. Gathered all he could embroil Into his verses, crush-pressed like peas in pod. But reading it I nod - I nod - I nod And all remains mish-mash - a right royal Hash of assonance alliterating. I cant uncoil Meaning from it, though not exactly mod Ern. For all this it did not pay the rent. Exclamatory prose! With purplish tinges! Though order sometimes buggery word to went; And O! Punctuation everywhere impinges! And in the end internal rhyme, sprung line, sent -Swung the poor God-botherer off his hinges.
@sharmitoboylos7585
@sharmitoboylos7585 8 ай бұрын
I enjoy and appreciate your efforts in these... dare I call them lessons? As an English teacher who tried his best for 35 years to make his students experience, enjoy, read, poems rather than wring their necks (see "Schoolsville"; I know you have), I dig what you are doing here. But as this video proves, poems ARE just as much about their "meanings" as they are about their sounds and images and whatever else they're made of. Poems CAN demand reflection, exegesis, deliberation, consideration--work! Yes? "Meaning" is hard to get at. Sadly, most people have given up on poetry by the time they'd be able to get something like an idea out of it. Thanks to bricks in the wall like me. But please, keep up the good work. Thank you for it.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much--I really appreciate that. My sneaky language trick has been to start asking my students what makes a poem meaningful (instead of what they "mean" in some kind of absolute sense). That seems to loosen them up and put them in a better headspace to actually read them
@sharmitoboylos7585
@sharmitoboylos7585 8 ай бұрын
good luck, amigo. whatever works, right? I came to believe that my own love for the poems did help them enjoy them a bit more. I'm sure your students feel that too. @@WritingwithAndrew ☮
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Definitely--it makes a big difference when they see that we actually like what we do 😆
@thomasbeall5323
@thomasbeall5323 6 ай бұрын
This is really a great video! I’m reminded of two quotes: “Most people ignore poetry because most poetry ignores most people.” ~ Adrian Mitchell “Prose: words in their best order; poetry: the best words in the best order.” ~ Samuel Taylor Coleridge
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I don't think I've heard that first one--I'm gonna hold onto that
@los8011
@los8011 11 ай бұрын
Begin your search where time was transcendent Crack open the books they're interdependent Lift up your eyes and look for the mark Hike to the tree that stands without bark Pass the grain tower that looks out to the west Not more than an hour you'll know by its crest Look down at your map to not wander with thirst Remember two less than on top of the first You'll know you're close where it's time to frown What points towards heaven but is upside down? Get off the road at the airplane without wings Search from the shoulder and fortune it will bring .where do i start
@anthonysanchez3275
@anthonysanchez3275 11 ай бұрын
Definitely needed this advice when I read ee cummings. I know his work is great but I couldn't tell you why. 😅
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Ha! I'm glad it helped--if you figure cummings out, let me know!
@DespairAndRepair
@DespairAndRepair 8 ай бұрын
You forgot to demonstrate the principle and proper application of the "Pritchard Scale" in measuring a poems' total greatness..😂
@koodaigirl
@koodaigirl 6 ай бұрын
Really appreciated! Any recommendations on a good "book" to get to start enjoying Hopkins?
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 6 ай бұрын
In terms of books about Hopkins, I don't really know. But, since his writing is old enough, it's not too difficult to find his collected works out there. That's probably as good a place to start as any
@Libros.y.Laberintos
@Libros.y.Laberintos 7 ай бұрын
Hi there. Beautiful poem you chose there. I will search more Hopkins' poems. As kingfishers catch fire, great image. Can I make you a question?? What are your thoughts on David Jones' Anathemata....? Have you read it?
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 7 ай бұрын
I don't think I have--I'll have to put it on my reading list!
@jeffstone5554
@jeffstone5554 11 ай бұрын
It is a whimsical poem, Kaput is also :) Rhetoric and poetry! Could there be anything better.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
I'd have a hard time finding anything better! :)
@curtishalley2481
@curtishalley2481 8 ай бұрын
I’m a bit confused. In the last video I watched of yours, you explicitly say about poetry “there’s nothing to figure out.” Yet here you attempt to assist in the understanding of difficult poems, thereby helping us to “figure them out” 🤔
@Urbanity_Kludge
@Urbanity_Kludge 8 ай бұрын
As I watched the other video, I thought, "nice, now do that with TS Elliott Deadlands"
@curtishalley2481
@curtishalley2481 8 ай бұрын
@@Urbanity_Kludge I believe you mean T. S. Eliot’s “The Wasteland.” But yes, that too would be helpful. Or maybe “Four Quartets”
@Urbanity_Kludge
@Urbanity_Kludge 8 ай бұрын
@@curtishalley2481 🤣🤣 That's what I get for not googling the name.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Ah, I say that there isn't one "true" meaning--but sometimes the language of poetry can make it harder to grasp the experience it's trying to communicate. So, again, we're not approaching it as a puzzle to be solved, just acknowledging that the style of the poem is less transparent (requiring a more deliberate reading strategy). But the basic idea of seeing what's in the poem and going from there is the same
@curtishalley2481
@curtishalley2481 8 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew I see, thanks for your clarification. I guess I just need more practice learning the language of poetry. I’m an over-thinker, so it’s difficult for me to accept the words written without trying to “crack the code” so to speak.
@brightbeacon
@brightbeacon 5 ай бұрын
You’re my Poem Decoder Ring ❤
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 5 ай бұрын
Ha, that's going on my resume--thanks!
@BoojieD
@BoojieD 8 ай бұрын
Each year, I teach students Robert Browning’s “My Last Duchess.” Not sure if you’re familiar with that one, but it’s hard to resist viewing that poem as a sort of riddle because of how it almost acts as a murder mystery: the Duchess is dead, but why? You can find the answer by analyzing the tone of the speaker. I’m curious: if you were to teach a lesson on “My Last Duchess,” would you teach it exclusively with the methods you describe here or would you take an exception and allow a little bit of room for it to be a riddle?
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
I mean, the mystery is part of the experience, so I think this approach allows for it. Things really tend to loosen up when I just ask my students to start saying what they notice. When I clarify that I really am just asking for what they see and not what it "means," they end up providing some really insightful and meaningful readings on their own. So I guess I would present it not by saying "This is a mystery you have to solve," but "Here's a poem--what do you see?" And then I'd let them work their way to recognizing and working through the mysterious side of the poem as they get into it
@TommyMedal
@TommyMedal 8 ай бұрын
Andrew! I wonder if you're familiar with the poetry of Aesop Rock? I'd be extremely interested in seeing you break down something of his. I think you'd really appreciate "Cycles to Gehenna"
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
I can't say I am--but I'll put it on my reading list!
@TommyMedal
@TommyMedal 8 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew I hope you do! I'm sure his other fans would start tuning in to a reaction video.
@maidenofmisfortune
@maidenofmisfortune 8 ай бұрын
I love your videos, good sir. And while I enjoy the quality content, I have only been wondering about that golden skull of yours. 😂
@kaputmortuum
@kaputmortuum 8 ай бұрын
That's fair: I am an interesting and wonder-inspiring fellow...
@achannel1818
@achannel1818 2 ай бұрын
I'm sure you hear this a lot but I wish this was how I was taught in school. My English teachers did indeed teach me valuable lessons but the curriculum took much of the joy out of literature and language
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 2 ай бұрын
I wish I didn't hear it as often, but I'm always delighted to hear when a video of mine corrects for some of the unfortunate side effects of school. Here's to your former teachers who did their best despite their curricular constraints!
@achannel1818
@achannel1818 2 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew Amen to that
@BrandonWilliams-wf6hg
@BrandonWilliams-wf6hg 11 ай бұрын
I found you through your videos on Aristotles Rhetoric
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
That's great to hear--thanks for stickin' around!
@icarusfalls6899
@icarusfalls6899 5 ай бұрын
The Anthony Fantano of poetry
@user-iu6ug5cr9g
@user-iu6ug5cr9g 3 ай бұрын
Im about to read 'Faust', but for all the aforementioned reasons, I feel Im not skilled enough. I just finished The Divine Comedy and am working on Leaves Of Grass. Has anyone else found 'Faust' to be incomprehensible? Im almost afraid to even begin it.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 3 ай бұрын
I haven't read that one, but a good poem will teach you how to read it. Start slow, take stock, see what's there. I once had a teacher who advised us not to worry about understanding everything but just getting what we can from what we read. It changed my mindset--plus, you can always read something again and get more the next time 🙂
@user-iu6ug5cr9g
@user-iu6ug5cr9g 3 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew thank you for the reply. It's nice to be guided by someone with deep knowledge.
@Serendip98
@Serendip98 8 ай бұрын
In French schools, it's usual to ask the following question about a poem : "What did the poet want to tell us ?" Good grief, If the guy had wanted to communicate a specific message, he would have written an essay, not a poem. One of the main interests of the (modern) poetry is to leave the signification open, so there is not one meaning in it, but several, it depends on the reader. But it has not always been like that, look for example at that great poem of Albert Samain (French, 1858-1900), "Automne" : (....) Le vol des guêpes d’or qui vibrait sans repos S’est tu ; le pêne grince à la grille rouillée ; La tonnelle grelotte et la terre est mouillée, Et le linge blanc claque, éperdu, dans l’enclos. (...) (The flight of golden wasps that restlessy vibrated / Has gone silent ; the bolt is creaking at the rusty garden gate; The arbour is shivering and the earth is wet, And the white linen, distraught, clatters in the yard) This gives me goosebumps every time I read it, and yet it is very clear and understandable, and it exactly evokes Autumn. There of course would be a lot to say about the choice of words, the rhythm and the sounds, but anyway, this is just beautiful. Now if you compare it to modern American-style poetry, you might ask yourself... uh... did I miss something?
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Good grief indeed lol! I haven't encountered Samain--I'll have to spend some time with him!
@imokin86
@imokin86 8 ай бұрын
Same question they asked in my school in Russia. And it was always the coursebook that knew best what these dead guys wanted to tell us...
@redskyz483
@redskyz483 8 ай бұрын
Wow you are amazingly clever to have worked that out .
@skylxr47
@skylxr47 6 ай бұрын
i wrote this please check it, i would really appreciate it 14, not 4 i am fourteen, not four, dad's hugs, now memories, a distant shore. for mom's love, no efforts implore, silent struggles, a hidden core.
@pawsonalpetcare
@pawsonalpetcare 4 ай бұрын
How long would you spend trying to figure out if a poem is difficult to understand or just a word salad? If you already know the poet, that could inform your decision but what if all you have to go on is the one poem? Ive spent hours staring at magic eye pictures and I still don't don't know if they are a hoax or not.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 4 ай бұрын
15 minutes. It always depends: there are so many poems and so little time. If a poem catches my attention on a first read and seems to ahve more to offer, I'll spend more time with it. Some poems feel like chores from the start, and I move on pretty quick
@laytara_
@laytara_ 8 ай бұрын
What if you come from a different mother tongue and you interpret something different, because your context primes you to come up with a different interpretation?
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Really interesting question--that's always a possibility. Where there are differences of culture (geography, time, etc.) it's useful to gain some contextual knowledge to make sure you're not misunderstanding something
@laytara_
@laytara_ 8 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew thank you! Just found you yesterday, but I really really like your videos.
@Amipotsophspond
@Amipotsophspond 8 ай бұрын
5:40 as king fishers catch fire. so he is first describing a swamp with frogs catching fire flys and round rocks, then he goes metaphors saying how each of the creature has the prescribed place doing one thing but like cogs in a machine they are also doing the same thing, then he says the god made people to have the place in society like cogs in the machine all doing our 1 thing, and Christ is that machine being the same thing as spoken about in the swamp section, but in this case he says that the Christ is 1000 different things too because of each person relation with him that build the machine from our cogs. in this he even plays with shocking the audience in saying we are Christ. it's hard to understand because we come from a modern culture that is less a well oiled machine where people are largely not stable with a job/lifestyle/personaly to say God said he made me to just do x just be x for all my life and everyone else has a place just like me.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
This is true--the cultural and historical between Hopkins and us presents its own challenges
@General_reader
@General_reader 7 ай бұрын
Pretentious. It’s just so fun to say.
@VerseWithZulfiqar
@VerseWithZulfiqar 3 ай бұрын
❤keep up the good work
@VerseWithZulfiqar
@VerseWithZulfiqar 3 ай бұрын
Hi any one here who can read my own poems for my you tube channel reply me please
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 3 ай бұрын
Consider checking out the Discord server (linked in t he channel information): we have a section for people to share their work and get feedback. It's a good group!
@obipriest
@obipriest 8 ай бұрын
So it’s a riddle
@igo9481
@igo9481 Ай бұрын
You suck
@normanleach5427
@normanleach5427 8 ай бұрын
"casting pearls before swine" has its own functional purpose. Why not ditch that anti-riddle, i.e., dismissive reflex in opposition to a myriad of subtle discoveries: of double entendre, symbolism, nuanced literal/figurative language? While I may agree with you in part, your stance lays claim to a predominately sensitive exploratory approach. Still, it is either intellectually safe or disingenuous to reiterate that all poems are not riddles...though to ask your readership to step back into the poem as an experience, this is enobling advice. Hopkins also knew the reason why the Nazarean spoke in parables. Even the esoteric or ontological nature of His function, as the balanced attentive Christ Mind, is often lost in theological bias, conjecture or exigetical thought rather than to 'duly note' the poetic significance of mindfulness alluded to by Hopkin's highly selective, exacting language. Please note that I truly appreciate your videos.
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Thanks--it's mostly a response to the prevailing attitude that poems are designed to obscure and confound. I haven't read every poem (and generic categories are muddy at best), but the rhetorical purpose of riddles and poems are fundamentally different: one is a puzzle to be solved, and the other is a piece of literary art. Don't misread it as an affirmation that reading poetry is a frivolous thing--but an acknowledgment that so many go into it with a counterproductive mindset. I've seen so many rooms of students freeze up when they think have to "solve" a poem only to relax and generate really insightful readings when I ask them just to start telling me what's there. In other words, they read much better when they read poems as poems rather than as riddles
@igo9481
@igo9481 Ай бұрын
This is the most pretentious KZfaq comment I’ve ever read. Stop and think about that for a second. It’s KZfaq
@Ixam13
@Ixam13 8 ай бұрын
So its about a psychotic priest who sets birds and insects on fire, because he hears his god in their desperate cries of pain?
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
That seems like a harder reading to justify, but I wasn't there...
@Ixam13
@Ixam13 8 ай бұрын
@@WritingwithAndrew It's either that or because kingfishers shine bright red when hit by the sun, selving all over the place. But those Jesuits, man...
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 8 ай бұрын
Ha, one or the other
@tommyservo9660
@tommyservo9660 11 ай бұрын
+$0.10 for "erudition"
@WritingwithAndrew
@WritingwithAndrew 11 ай бұрын
Score!
@DaddyT21
@DaddyT21 8 ай бұрын
I think its just not for me
@NaeNae1996
@NaeNae1996 9 күн бұрын
Don't overthink it just find a writing style you like and begin to express yourself. You can't do that wrong :) 💗
@HassanCodA-Xod8hm
@HassanCodA-Xod8hm Ай бұрын
My Quantum Field 💘 ESP. 🔥🔥. 🩷. 🕉️ Conceptually. The bestest Poet I ever did meet. ( In all of the lifetimes since. 🔵. ) 🥁. 🎸. 💃. 👄
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