Li-ion Battery Charging Circuit Design - KiCad 5 [QCB 2]

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MicroType Engineering

MicroType Engineering

5 жыл бұрын

Quick Circuit Blocks 2: Single Cell Li-ion Battery Charging Circuit Design
A simple circuit that charges a single cell Li-ion safely using a charging IC, and allows the circuit to be used while charging, or unplugged. Even when using the circuit while charging, the battery will still charge at full speed, assuming the input power supply can supply enough power.
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@mitz8892
@mitz8892 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video so comprehensible.
@Jerry_from_analytics
@Jerry_from_analytics 5 жыл бұрын
Ah this is great, exactly what I was after for my current project. Thank you! Subscribed of course.
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 5 жыл бұрын
Great! Glad I could help
@Joelpyro
@Joelpyro 3 жыл бұрын
Bro, I love it how simple you explained it. Thanks!!
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@cveja69
@cveja69 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are awesome, make some on low power design, microcontroller boards, how to choose and interface to program a board mcu(jtag, uart, swdio etc..) all important for IOT stuff
@forrestbaer
@forrestbaer 2 жыл бұрын
Just what I was looking for, great content.
@Cristi4n_Ariel
@Cristi4n_Ariel 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video! One thing I would add to the circuit though, is a 1k resistor connected to the gate of the MOSFET for more reliability. Here is why: "All MOSFET devices are extremely susceptible to gate oxide breakdown, caused by electrostatic discharge. Unlike JFETs or other junction devices, in which the junction avalanche current can safely discharge the overvoltage, MOSFETs are damaged irreversibly by a single instance of gate breakdown. For this reason, it’s a good idea to use a series gate resistor of 1k or so (assuming that speed is not an issue), particularly when the gate signal comes from another circuit board. This greatly reduces the chances of damage; it also prevents circuit loading if the gate is damaged, because the most common symptom of a damage MOSFET is a substantial dc gate current. . . . The series gate resistor, although not essential, is a good idea, because MOSFET drain-gate capacitance can couple the load’s inductive transients back to the delicate CMOS logic" (Paul Horowitz and Winfield Hill, The Art of Electronics, 3rd Edition, pg. 193, 199.)
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
Wouldn't be 100 Ohm resistor big enough for that job?
@MsSpicker
@MsSpicker 5 жыл бұрын
Great! Thank you for your videos!
@safwaniiiiiiz
@safwaniiiiiiz 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, your way to deliver the informaion way smooth it helped me alot.
@yamanseyravan2341
@yamanseyravan2341 3 жыл бұрын
keep doing your work it's really helping a lot :D
@michaelcarlon1831
@michaelcarlon1831 4 жыл бұрын
Super informative; great work!
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@haiwuxing
@haiwuxing 5 жыл бұрын
Good tutorial. Thank you!
@TruthDigest
@TruthDigest 10 ай бұрын
amazing explanation, 🎉 very very simple to understand, thank you and I hope I could see more videos ... 👍
@jadelaossa
@jadelaossa 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos, they are very useful! Just one little thing! (and correct me if I am wrong) The TPS61200DRC is the adjustable output version (5V fixed output = TPS61202DRC), so that means this one requires a voltage divider to provide 5V output. But again, thank you!
@davidbastow5629
@davidbastow5629 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I thought the same thing. He even calls it "the fixed version" whilst tying the feedback pin to Vout at 3:47 in the video, which is the correct usage for the fixed version. So he has designed the circuit for a 61202.
@GlennLopez
@GlennLopez 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidbastow5629 what was your R1 R2 value for a 5v Vout? I got R1=1M, R2=120k ... not sure if correct
@mortenlund1418
@mortenlund1418 2 жыл бұрын
I like your logic. Thanks for sharing. Geat teaching skils.
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Excalibur32
@Excalibur32 4 жыл бұрын
I like your videos, thanks for sharing!
@bratbiswas
@bratbiswas 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!! Thank you.
@10e999
@10e999 5 жыл бұрын
Great video ! I like the way you go back over the logic of the whole system, at the end. Suggestion: Could you add few words on why you did choose those component in particular (tradeoff) ? Thank, I appreciate this series.
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 5 жыл бұрын
I can try, problem is that it gets pretty lengthy if I get too deep in the details
@10e999
@10e999 5 жыл бұрын
​@@MicroTypeEngineering I agree, that's the video maker's trade-off. Dont get me wrong, I really like your straight forward style (it's refreshing). But i think i would better understand your design choices with a bit more details. That just my two cents, of course :)
@mathieucaron4957
@mathieucaron4957 Жыл бұрын
Definitely learning more with you. 👌
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@abdulmuqtadir64
@abdulmuqtadir64 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Bro...
@JoelDanowitz
@JoelDanowitz 2 жыл бұрын
To build on this, I would love to see a charging circuit that uses a solar panel. How to charge a lipo and have the circuit function at the same time. Thanks for your videos, well done!
@thomasvilhar7529
@thomasvilhar7529 Жыл бұрын
me too
@petereit
@petereit Жыл бұрын
Me three! 👍🏼
@willhutcheon4144
@willhutcheon4144 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video. You make it look simple.- Subbed!
@pettypavlow8330
@pettypavlow8330 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I would like to power with the same type of circuit my RaspberrypiZeroW with radio breakout module. Is it possible to charge and use with 1200 mAh or higher Polymer Lithium Ion Battery? And can we get battery state with this circuit? I would prefer to see more continued with the PCB design part.
@frankbose544
@frankbose544 2 жыл бұрын
def using this for a design im working on thanks
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Happy to help
@kh05821
@kh05821 2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@joeycallahan913
@joeycallahan913 2 жыл бұрын
If I were to want a 3s battery instead for example, would I have to basically copy and paste this X3, or would I have to change the values throughout the schematic to accommodate the 3 cells?
@marco_wagner
@marco_wagner 4 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. I just don't understand how to choose the mosfet and the schottky diode. Can you please help on that?
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
The selection in this case is fairly straightforward. Schottky diode, just make sure that it can handle the amount of power that the system will draw through it. The lower the voltage drop the better of course. For the MOSFET, just make sure that the gate to source (drive voltage) is low enough that it will be fully turned on, when on battery mode. In the example of the video, anything in the 2.5V range will work great!
@MadJDMTurboBoost
@MadJDMTurboBoost 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to make that usb port have both roles (source and sink current)? The idea is that you can charge the battery from it, but also use it to charge other things as well? I know there are USB PD chips out there that can negotiate dual role, but is it possible to do it straight from the VBus without introducing USB protocols? So far I can imagine using a SPST switch to accomplish this but is there a simple way to detect if its plugged into a source vs. a sink?
@portersky
@portersky Жыл бұрын
Really helpful thanks :)
@tbremard
@tbremard 2 жыл бұрын
Great! Do you have an ananalysis design for cut off a 2s lipo? I want to plug light on lipo and protect the btry. Design with zener diode is possible?
@ananddhanesan8275
@ananddhanesan8275 2 жыл бұрын
❤ for that effort
@simonndungu1196
@simonndungu1196 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic !!!
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!!
@sonmaresal1328
@sonmaresal1328 3 жыл бұрын
From turkey. Perfect 👋👍
@Nebulorum
@Nebulorum 2 жыл бұрын
If you would want to have 3.3V out, could to feed the output of the mosfet into the buck converter?
@antonellomatteo9438
@antonellomatteo9438 2 жыл бұрын
Hi MicroType Eng. I have a question. Let's say I need 6V in output (setting the right FB resistors voltage divider), either when battery powered or usb powered; would it be a problem to just connect the output of the schotty diode in input to the TPS61200? Or would be a problem, when the USB is connected, to have Vdrain=5V > Vgate=Vbattery=3.7V??
@Thrasherx85
@Thrasherx85 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. How would you recommend using 4 x 18650 for 5V output? Would 4 in parallel with the boost converter be better than 2 parallel, 2 series with a buck converter? If so, what changes to the charging circuit are needed for a single USB-C 5V supply? Looking to drive 1A @ 5V for as long as possible. Thanks!
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Once you get to multi-cells it get's difficult to do it safely. You'll need to have a proper balancing circuit to ensure that the cells don't overcharge/discharge. The people you see just throwing them together in series or parallel are setting a bad example most of the time.
@samsamm777
@samsamm777 Жыл бұрын
Is having 5v on the VOUT pin of the TPS61200DRC when its off going to be a problem? Would another schottky on the VOUT pin be a safer to not damage the IC?
@ranveersinhjadav6994
@ranveersinhjadav6994 2 жыл бұрын
When main power is available, Does the main power go into the boost converter back from Vout pin? is any problem or affect the circuit, or need there any also reverse diode after Vout to Load, to protect from back current...Thanks in advance
@numeboys7577
@numeboys7577 5 жыл бұрын
First? Nice video once again. In my opinion you don't need the background music. In fact I think it's distracting but whatever :)
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 5 жыл бұрын
Alright, i'll stop including it!
@simonndungu1196
@simonndungu1196 5 жыл бұрын
​@@MicroTypeEngineering​the music is actually good, just lower the volume a bit, I loved the low tone one
@devikaghatge6078
@devikaghatge6078 4 жыл бұрын
@@MicroTypeEngineering hi I need a advice ,wen you are designing the battery protection nd charging circuit for LiPo 1cell battery ,does the ground has to be separate from load? Can u explain this in video? Ny suggestions please
@user-ub9fd6nz7n
@user-ub9fd6nz7n 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have a similar project now together with ESP32. I am curious if charging IC is enough to maintain overcharge/discharge of the battery
@ajlongshanks
@ajlongshanks 2 жыл бұрын
U could use TP4056 as the charging iC. Similar specs and has wide input so can also use 6v solar panel
@khiworld
@khiworld 5 жыл бұрын
is input overvoltage protection needed for MCP73831 using tvs diode??
@nicholasmathern527
@nicholasmathern527 29 күн бұрын
Good video. Engagement!
@jumadhaheri
@jumadhaheri 2 жыл бұрын
How I did not find this channel before
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Better late than never! Glad you liked it :)
@bhanukaanjana1963
@bhanukaanjana1963 Ай бұрын
Love that ideal 🎉
@sumitvalsangkar3281
@sumitvalsangkar3281 3 жыл бұрын
I am designing a 48 v 72 amph charger will you tell me which MOSFET should be used and the EMI circuit also.
@Jishan007
@Jishan007 10 ай бұрын
Please recommend something for high current applications...like 2A or 3A at 5v...
@devikaghatge6078
@devikaghatge6078 4 жыл бұрын
How will it work for 4.2V lipo battery?
@mikewasouski
@mikewasouski Жыл бұрын
suggestion for future videos a DC UPS power backup for raspberry
@leonardofalcone9328
@leonardofalcone9328 2 жыл бұрын
How many milliamps is the output? Nice video by the way :)
@MrRyte00
@MrRyte00 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video ! Is their a reason you went with a booster instead of a step-up IC ?
@waleedali238
@waleedali238 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please tell me the name of the program you worked on
@rithikkrt4576
@rithikkrt4576 3 жыл бұрын
Please make a video on how to simulate in KiCad
@0300518
@0300518 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for creating such a useful video. I have a question, Can we use Enable PIN of buck boost converter to disable it when USB power is available, So instead of using PMOS to control the battery power fed to converter we can use enable PIN. Do you think about any downside for using this method?
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
Have you ever tried?
@andymouse
@andymouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi ……...how come your labels are not specified as inputs or outputs or even bidirectional does it not matter?.....for instance the 5v in this circuit is an output but the label seems counter intuitive?.....Ta!
@osmanpasha96
@osmanpasha96 2 жыл бұрын
There are dedicated ICs for this, aren't there?
@NicoDevs1998
@NicoDevs1998 3 жыл бұрын
So this is assuming that our inverter from the wall is outputting 5V right? Or else when we bypass the charging circuit, we would need to wire VBUS into the buck/boost converter input so it can regulate 5V out.
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, spot on!
@SalmenZ98
@SalmenZ98 Жыл бұрын
What are the characteristics of the MOSFET and the schottky diode? Which ones do you recommend for this circuit?
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
check AO3401 or DMP1045U
@rallymax2
@rallymax2 3 жыл бұрын
What would happen if it is plugged into a usb host with those d+ and d- pins tied together? Also shield should never get joined to the device ground. It’s tied at the host end to earth. If the device has a metal case the case should though.
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
That's how a lot of Chinese chargers do it. Yeah the shield to ground can cause ground loops, but there's really no hard and fast standard on it..
@aburab
@aburab 3 жыл бұрын
Please correct me, if I'm wrong, but I think the drain of the Mosfet has to be connected to B+, NOT the source of the Mosfet!
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
why is that? Current is supposed to flow from source to drain in PFET, which is from battery to the load.
@csatlos
@csatlos 5 жыл бұрын
Great video content but I found the music distracting as well. Thanks!
@platinumphonesandcomputers
@platinumphonesandcomputers 3 жыл бұрын
Does a Pchanel mosfet conduct without voltage at the gate?
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
Depends, but in this case it does - as gate is connected on the pulldown
@say_gold
@say_gold 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use this circuit to power a Raspberry Pi? When the Mosfet switchs, would the pi fail, because there were a short power failure?
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Great question! The answer depends on a lot of things. Ultimately, if it does turn the PI off, you need to have more bulk capacitance to sustain the power switch. The duration of the switch should be super short, so you shouldn't need much capacitance. It really depends on how sensitive the Pi's power management is.
@316728237
@316728237 Жыл бұрын
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW SELECT COMPONENTS FOR THIS APLICATION
@TheUnrealPownament
@TheUnrealPownament 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, i love your videos! Could you make a tutorial on USB C Power delivery design? I'm struggling with it. Thank you! :)
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Are you fine with the input power being DC? Or you'd want the ACDC side in the design as well?
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
@@MicroTypeEngineering DC is good enough
@topquark22
@topquark22 Жыл бұрын
P-FETs are uncommon. What part# did you use?
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
check AO3401 or DMP1045U
@kaihenthe
@kaihenthe 8 ай бұрын
im one of the 19.9K sub :D
@kamleshchavan7451
@kamleshchavan7451 2 жыл бұрын
Last video link please🙏
@androidpowerload9746
@androidpowerload9746 3 жыл бұрын
5V is a bit low to be chopping .2 to .3V off with that Schottky. I would have used another FET.
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
100% agree. That would be a better approach
@MrLyons-jk1vo
@MrLyons-jk1vo 2 жыл бұрын
how do i assign footprints easily
@elhub4100
@elhub4100 2 жыл бұрын
Expecting more basic vedios I means.. application and how to select components, and design tips
@elhub4100
@elhub4100 2 жыл бұрын
And basic calculation aslo 🙂
@Banzo-AAA
@Banzo-AAA 3 жыл бұрын
Since that is a p-mosfet, does it not require a pull up resistor instead of pull down so when it's plugged the mosfet will be off and when it's unplugged it s on ? I would love to understand.
@EfraAv
@EfraAv 2 жыл бұрын
Pull down is the way to go. When it's unplugged the pull-down will turn on the mosfet therefore connecting the battery to the load. Otherwise when it's plugged, P-MOS gate will be at Vusb turning the P-MOS off and subsequently disconnecting the battery from the load.
@ADRE3ZY420
@ADRE3ZY420 2 жыл бұрын
@@EfraAv could you help answer a question I have?
@lakshminarayanaaithal1081
@lakshminarayanaaithal1081 5 жыл бұрын
1. How to add 2 pages in KiCAD Schematic ?(I'm using KiCAD 6.0 rc) 2. Can you start of with DDR Schematic and PCB Routing ? 3. PCB Antenna and Chip Antenna PCB Guidelines.
@MrWi1y
@MrWi1y 5 жыл бұрын
1. (in eeschema) File -> Append Schematic Sheet
@klausvonshnytke
@klausvonshnytke 3 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see an overcharging protection on this circuit/
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Correct, this was with a pouch style Li-ion battery with in built protection. Stay tuned for a detailed li-ion safety based video!
@miguelwon
@miguelwon 3 жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for the tutorial! I have designed a circuit based on your video but and I'm having a problem. It works fine but if I have both battery and USB connection and disconnect the USB cable, the battery power supply does not respond fast enough. In my case, the load is a raspberry pi and when I unplug the USB cable there is a strong momentarily voltage drop, which results in a reboot of the RPI. Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you probably need more bulk capacitance on the PI side to help support the voltage rail while it switches over. You can buy some through hole 100u+ electrolytic capacitors and just hack them on the PI power pins to test
@miguelwon
@miguelwon 3 жыл бұрын
@@MicroTypeEngineering do you think is a good idea to put the p-channel mosfet after the boost converter? In doing this the boost converter will be ready for delivery.
@andresperez6395
@andresperez6395 2 жыл бұрын
@@miguelwon What p channel mosfet did you use?
@bodzio_stawski187
@bodzio_stawski187 2 жыл бұрын
Which Schottky diode model will be ok? Which parameters are important in this case?
@bodzio_stawski187
@bodzio_stawski187 2 жыл бұрын
Up:)
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
Really doesn't matter. Just make sure the power dissipation is OK for your output current, and the voltage drop won't affect anything downstream.
@borhanuddin6774
@borhanuddin6774 Жыл бұрын
Could you tell me please, what kind of MOSFET are you use in this circuits
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
check AO3401 or DMP1045U
@borhanuddin6774
@borhanuddin6774 10 ай бұрын
thanks@@SurrenderToAction
@ADRE3ZY420
@ADRE3ZY420 2 жыл бұрын
How did you find a Depletion Type P Channel Mosfet?
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
check AO3401 or DMP1045U
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
and btw. it's not a depletion. Why would you need a depletion..
@miguelwon
@miguelwon 3 жыл бұрын
Can I charge two batteries (18650) with a schematics equivalent with this one, by replacing the single-cell battery with two in 18650 in parallel?
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't recommend it without having a proper balancing circuit in place.
@matthollandsf
@matthollandsf 2 жыл бұрын
@@MicroTypeEngineering should be fine. balancing is needed for cells in series. Cells in parallel will balance each other out automatically.
@abalfazl_jokar
@abalfazl_jokar 3 жыл бұрын
thank u, name app working u?
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
This was done in KiCad
@juliusestardo5870
@juliusestardo5870 Жыл бұрын
Hi sir...new subscriber,..how about a 100 ampere circuit of lithium charger
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
you mean mAmp
@Jonmal0ne
@Jonmal0ne 4 жыл бұрын
Thought lifepo4 absolute minimum voltage limit was 2.5V ??
@Jonmal0ne
@Jonmal0ne 4 жыл бұрын
Either way, subject very nicely exposed, thanks mate
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks :) Yeah this focused on Li-ion not FE. Either way, manufacturers will recommend the thresholds which can vary somewhat
@metamud8686
@metamud8686 Жыл бұрын
4:53 an inductor rated in F? Shouldn't that have been H? 5:29 Ah .. you found it 🙂
@szymonsambor6177
@szymonsambor6177 Жыл бұрын
PMOS is placed backwards
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
It is as it is supposed to be for PFET. Current goes from the battery to the load.
@Believer34545
@Believer34545 2 жыл бұрын
Make more videos
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 2 жыл бұрын
I am! Glad you enjoyed :D
@si98justme1
@si98justme1 3 жыл бұрын
4:45 - 2.2µF??? Surely it should be µH? 5:23 - Nevermind, as you were sir....
@MicroTypeEngineering
@MicroTypeEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
Lol! Well played
@simonndungu1196
@simonndungu1196 5 жыл бұрын
2.2uF for inductance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@kamleshchavan7451
@kamleshchavan7451 2 жыл бұрын
It is a auto cutoff circuit
@SurrenderToAction
@SurrenderToAction 10 ай бұрын
No, it is not. Tp4056 with DW01a style of chargers are
@metamud8686
@metamud8686 Жыл бұрын
Audio: please choose between (background) music and speech, but don't try to compete with the music by speaking. Just. Don't. Please.
@wreckless_-jl6uu
@wreckless_-jl6uu 5 жыл бұрын
Why are you talking so slow?
@willhutcheon4144
@willhutcheon4144 4 жыл бұрын
It helps beginners like me, and others. Also, KZfaq provides a 1.X for those with faster learning skills! :) I appreciate the speed so I can absorb the end result understanding some of the concepts behind it.
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