Liberal, Objectivist, Conservative: Divergent Voices (Leonard Peikoff on McCuistion TV)

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"Ideas do matter. Philosophy matters," says host Dennis McCuistion in this lively 1998 televised debate featuring Objectivist Leonard Peikoff, conservative Phyllis Schlafly, and liberal Phil Wexler. Topics include abortion, welfare, the economy, government spending, taxes and affirmative action.
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@KirkWilcox Жыл бұрын

It's always a wonderful day when ARI puts up more Leonard Peikoff content

@Avidcomp Жыл бұрын

I love it when you pull these out of the archives. I'm pretending it's 1998 and this is live tv. How thrilling.

@PoLanka65 Жыл бұрын

The ironic part is you don't even have to fantasize too much in order to pretend this aired just yesterday.

@TheJustinJ Жыл бұрын

@@PoLanka65 goes to show, a nations actions are guided by philosophy. Which comes first, and gives plenty of warning if you take their assertions to their logical ends.

@matthewstroud4294 Жыл бұрын

"The purpose of "majority" is for choosing the personnel of Government - not it's principles" Thank you Leonard, I will be using that.

@duncancurry4 Жыл бұрын

Great on so many levels. I can’t imagine seeing a discussion like this today- from the intelligent questions of the host and audience, to the respectful and thoughtful responses. It shows how prescient Peikoff, and Rand, were on these issues. It shows just how far the wacky Left and wacky Right have fallen from the semi-plausible Liberals and Conservatives of the 90s. It shows the religious and altruistic seeds of destruction that led to the bankruptcy of today’s Liberals and Conservatives. It shows that Rand’s ideas are just as relevant today as then, that they have stood the test of time, and that this is our opportunity to fill the intellectual void. Thanks to Dr Peikoff for carrying the torch then, and to ARI for carrying it now.

@science212 Жыл бұрын

Peikoff is a great thinker.

@davidblankenau Жыл бұрын

Well, he DID spend 30 years learning from (arguably) the GREATEST thinker in history!

@matthewapsey4869 Жыл бұрын

@@davidblankenau That would be Rothbard

@sybo59 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewapsey4869 Rothbard was a dishonest, nasty man who ripped off Rand without credit, and who ended by supporting dictatorships over the United States.

@davidblankenau Жыл бұрын

@@matthewapsey4869 HAHAHAHA!! AYN RAND! Rothbard was a f****ng Anarchist.

@davidblankenau Жыл бұрын

The Libertarians appropriated pieces of Rand's philosophy (such as non-initiation of physical force), but rejected the philosophical foundation underpinning ALL of Objectivism.

@Storabrost Жыл бұрын

More Peikoff please

@Zack_Raheem Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I want from ARI. Thank you so much for this.

@davidblankenau Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU, ARI, for publishing this fascinating discussion! I hope there is much more available content to be released in the near future!

@sybo59 Жыл бұрын

What a treat. Peikoff’s intellectual clarity is so apparent when he’s in a room with disintegrated folks (like in the famous 1984 socialism debate). I must say though, the conservative and liberal were both somewhat charming, in their own ways.

@aeomaster32 Жыл бұрын

A well conducted program that explored ideas in a civilized way. Twenty five years later you are unlikely see its likes again.

@davidblankenau Жыл бұрын

This discussion, as wrong as Wexler and Schlafly were about many of these issues, could not even be held today because of the massive intellectual and moral deterioration of both the so-called "liberals" AND the "conservatives". Wexler and Schlafly seem almost rational by comparison. Peikoff, of course, ran rings around both of them, and today any real Objectivist would (and does) destroy any argument each side could ever make, on ANY issue.

@Botmoot 5 ай бұрын

It’s weird when things like this bring tears to my eyes. Simply hearing people speak with intelligence in a public way like they used to do, it’s such a great feeling to hear someone speak with conviction and confidence in a literate and articulate manner and very sad to see how divided and low we have fallen since not so long ago. 😢

@2001mss Жыл бұрын

Peikoff is just so awesome!

@AdamLong1973 Жыл бұрын

It’s like they are all operating in about 22 levels of comprehension and the other two shine a light on two or three levels that are easy to see because they deal with what’s happening in life, but Leonard shines his all the way to the bottom level and all the rest become easier to see.

@Cirnenric Жыл бұрын

Excellent intellectual discussion on issues still active, unresolved and about the same ideas. Unfortunately this level of discussion of ideas is mostly gone now.

@daviddedick14 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, ARI. This is a most interesting discussion - With some unexpected turns. Leonard Peikoff, as always, is amazing. I was surprised at how well spoken the conservative lady is. (At least on some of the issues).

@Suejones7628 Жыл бұрын

Why surprised?

@DavidCodyPeppers. Жыл бұрын

End all Foreign Aid. Including Israel. End all Bail Outs. Waiting for the outrage. Peace! \o/

@matthewapsey4869 Жыл бұрын

End 'intellectual property' protectionism, too.

@DavidCodyPeppers. Жыл бұрын

@@matthewapsey4869 Thanks for the reply Matthew. The U.S. government gives 20 years to extract as much profit as you are able. Then open it up to competition. Peace! \o/

@matthewapsey4869 Жыл бұрын

@@DavidCodyPeppers. Should not give you a monopoly in the first place, it's evil.

@matthewapsey4869 Жыл бұрын

@PantheraNative Not sure what to say to that. Sort of, but you know that you're conflating different things. The mind is how we choose what to acquire as property and how to do this, 'intellectual property' however is a bogus state-granted monopoly over the production of a particular action / implementation of information discovered by an individual, but this is a totally unjust demand of negative easement over the property of others.

@joshuagould548 Жыл бұрын

I forget where I seen Ayn Rand write about this, but on an open stage, where two (or more) opposing ideas are clearly expressed, it's the more rational idea that will likely win. But when the differing ideas are on a stage, and there's obfuscation or evasion, the irrational idea(s) will likely win. With this discussion being so open and clear, Dr. Leonard Peikoff was able to dissect the ideas of the opposition, effectively dismantling them. Amazing job Dr. Peikoff!!

@joshuagould548 Жыл бұрын

Not that it's a significant metric, but Dr. Peikoff had more applauses than the other guests, maybe even combined. To think on an open stage, the general population doesn't think Objectivism is absurd. It's a shame that these types of discussions among differing ideas don't happen more often. Great discussion.

@sixofone88 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for uploading this! I thoroughly enjoyed watching it!

@gillesandfio8440 Жыл бұрын

That was totally awesome. Thank you ARI.

@RuggedIndividualist1776 25 күн бұрын

Every time I watch Dr. Peikoff debate anyone, I can’t wrap my mind around how anyone has the audacity to try to debate him! His articulations are so close to “self-evident,” that I wonder how anyone cannot see the truth. He clearly has the most honest and consistent stand. This makes me wonder how over the last 26 years, his ideas (and by extension, AR’s) have not persuaded mainstream liberals or conservatives to move closer to these ideas. Instead, we are further away from them than ever before.

@jonbrandon6793 11 күн бұрын

Yeah, because anyone who places an unborn human being on a level with an acorn obviously has a solid grasp on objective morality. Sign me up right away!

@nikolasbbq Жыл бұрын

That Wexler hairdo. PRICELESS! NEVER SEEN THAT IN MY LIFE! Here we are 25 yeaers later and closer to socialism.

@jamiestewart4087 9 ай бұрын

Pretty close to the issues we face today, but they use reason and intellect instead of tribalism to make their points.

@micchaelsanders6286 Жыл бұрын

48:00 Great point on racism.

@quatele Жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@CptChandler Жыл бұрын

53:26 Nine second sound bytes! 🫣

@robertromero8692 11 ай бұрын

"we can tell whether the fetus is male or female". Wow, today's woke crowd would really hate that idea.

@richardzellers 9 ай бұрын

If I didn't previously know the philosophy of each guest before the introduction, I would have EASILY identified the Liberal just by appearance.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Suejones7628 Жыл бұрын

Yes, it’s important to also see this now as we were children, young or for what other reason, Mau have been disinterested. Now they have a captive audience.

@kb3ojg461 Жыл бұрын

Ibm genuinely surprised that Peikoff would participate in something like this, instead of throwing a tantrum about vnot sanctioning evilv.

@adammobile7149 Жыл бұрын

I see it for the first time. Cool one 😮

@guillermosahuquillo4499 Жыл бұрын

Civilized America… so much nostalgia

@micchaelsanders6286 Жыл бұрын

Are you going to publish Dr Peikoffs debate/discussion with David Horowitz?

@sybo59 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know that existed!

@bingbong3643 Жыл бұрын

@@sybo59 neither did I. I need to see it all.

@sybo59 Жыл бұрын

@@bingbong3643 I tried Googling and found a Peikoff podcast clip in which he answers a question about his opinion of Horowitz. He says he’s never read any of his work, but had him on his radio show at one point and was completely turned off. Peikoff says Horowitz compared Rand to Stalin for having an absolutist view of morality. So I don’t think there was ever a formal debate, but I’d love to hear the radio clip, if it survives anywhere!

@tomservo75 Жыл бұрын

43:03 Oh the modern woke crowd would LOOOOOOVE him!

@m9mike9 Жыл бұрын

Phil backed into a corner reverted to a feelings based argument without a logical foundation behind it. As for the woman presenting at the hospital, I would have immediately called that out as a 'lifeboat scenario'. You can't fabricate a hypothetical situation and then base your argument upon that because even if it was disproved, you can keep on modifying the scenario until you win the argument which takes the debate further away from reality.

@MANN_O 4 ай бұрын

Not a criticism of Objectivism but I want to know how the police, military and court system would be financed without the progressive tax system. That is one thing I have not heard explained. Building a world class military is not cheap.

@GiovanniH91 Жыл бұрын

27:27 & 27:47 🇺🇸🗽 👏🏻.

@bingbong3643 Жыл бұрын

Oh, never seen this one before.🍿

@evanhammond7305 5 ай бұрын

We have fell so far in 26 years. Imagine conservatives and liberals today. I wonder if these guys realize Lenard is canadian.

@charlie_painter Жыл бұрын

Clips of Dr. Peikoff from the show. Feel free to share!

@emoshunless Жыл бұрын

Wow. I look at this, the free to choose series, Rand on Donahue and Johnny Carson... Tv used to be much better. This was amazing Peikoff rocked it Also... It seems liberals and conservatives used to be much better ..

@adherentofladycolumbia725 Жыл бұрын

Extremely Civil

@howlingdin9332 8 ай бұрын

"Technically a parasite." No, it has to be a different species to be "technically" a parasite.

@z400racer37 Жыл бұрын

TV used to be good? Weird... O.O

@benjaminwilson6487 Жыл бұрын

22:20 "You're letting Washington enlighten us?" 🔥

@1godlessmonkey Жыл бұрын

Well said! 42:48.

@madmartigan9442 Жыл бұрын

pseudo intellectuals won’t debate objectivists today. We will never see debates like this again. Same with debates from Milton Friedman back in the 70’s/80s.

@noahb5019 10 ай бұрын

People who say you can't judge a book by its cover have never met Phil Wexler, nor any of the other self-righteous, anti-social clowns who are his spiritual compatriots.

@phaeous Жыл бұрын

Why must he emphasize 'attached' (machine or womb) why can't he accept that a true human can exist with an ego in the mother - that has no autonomy over whether it may keep receiving nutrients & shelter? Well... i guess he doesn't get a potential & actual Man are derived from whether it has whole awareness (not whether it's in this or that moment o childbirth necessarily)

@tomservo75 Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of how just a quarter century ago, liberal meant something far different than it does today. I believe Mr. Wexler is a true liberal, where it meant freedom of expression, freedom of choice. Just one example, the prayer in school. Wexler stated that the school should not be forcing beliefs on children. Today's version of liberal would be against pulling children out of school and in favor of forcing beliefs like globalism, socialism, transgendrism, etc. It seems to me that when this was filmed, the liberals would have been the ones pushing school choice more than conservatives.

@riddler576 Жыл бұрын

Phyllis was right about sound bite culture.

@williamhyman Жыл бұрын

Thank you as an 1.Objectivist I hold Capitalism as my pursuit, political or otherwise 2. A Conservative I hold that the Fiscal power be removed back to how MAN lived before the emperor, chief or President. 3. As a Liberal I believe in a public made up of individuals, where 1mm off the skin of your body, either is your private property or a public property, public meaning other free citizens ie Liberals each as an individual..

@AndyT-np8mm Жыл бұрын

These people seem a little behind in terms of fashion.

@timarmesto2685 2 ай бұрын

This is what prevents me from believing and working for a secular society. A world of logic and reasoning is great until you end up at the place where what people are spending time on is reasoning themselves out of hedonistic consequences, and then start asking questions like when can children consent? Is it possible for animals to consent? And of course with one's belief in their ability to rationalize comes a growing group's tendency to believe they ought to be able to force people to help others. Everytime a society "goes secular" it's as if degeneracy and disgusting people start to leave the decent people in the dust. I don't know if I believe in God, but I only want to live in a christian society.

@matthewapsey4869 Жыл бұрын

4:50 Rights don't come into conflict, hence 'right' -- there is only one just victor in a conflict over a scarce means. The fetus is an invader that has no right to the mother's body, she has every right to evict it at any point should she choose, regardless of how much this offends pro-life sensibilities. I used to lean pro-life, but the more I think about this, the more I see the pro-choice perspective is the only correct application of property to the dilemma.

@sybo59 Жыл бұрын

Leave it to an anarchist to boil moral questions down to a matter of property.

@matthewapsey4869 Жыл бұрын

@@sybo59 Moral questions _are_ a matter of property.

@sybo59 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewapsey4869 You have it precisely backward. Rights are an extension and application of ethics.

@TheJustinJ Жыл бұрын

It is unethical for an assortment of strangers to veto another rational humans decisions, and force them to produce offspring like cattle to their own detriment, and eradication of countless future options to find success and happiness for themselves. Conservatives want to force unwed and early age mothers, or those in poverty, to birth their offspring. While simultaneously labeling the child illegitimate. Then eradicating most welfare for single mothers and children. While keeping the welfare for seniors who already had their chance and failed to earn or save enough to retire. Then they believe in conscripting the child at age 18 to be arrested, detained, tortured, and deported into a war zone. To be decapitated maimed or captured and tortured. In the name of "national security" they wish to abort young men by conscription thru the selective service. The Right is an incoherent nut factory. YOUR GOD KILLED HIS OWN SON! SO WHY CAN'T SHE?