Libertarian Caller HATES The Minimum Wage

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The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder

The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder

4 жыл бұрын

In this Majority Report clip, a libertarian calls in to debate the minimum wage.
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@princemononoke2477
@princemononoke2477 3 жыл бұрын
Josh thinks over 50% of the country just "made bad money decisions" that's fucking deranged
@07Flash11MRC
@07Flash11MRC 3 жыл бұрын
It's also proves that mainstream media brainwashing and propaganda work.
@sissiroxie
@sissiroxie 2 жыл бұрын
it is true most people be trying to express others
@MrMiddleWick
@MrMiddleWick Жыл бұрын
​@@sissiroxie self expression is very important, we are all unique individuals and it's harmful to deny it
@MassimoMD
@MassimoMD 4 жыл бұрын
This study he’s referencing has been UPDATED, and says “hey we didn’t account for racial and gender based biases, and family wealth, our study has been misrepresented by the right”
@MassimoMD
@MassimoMD 4 жыл бұрын
Realize now that they addresses that in the last minute of the call
@theweekndxo7438
@theweekndxo7438 2 жыл бұрын
i love how he quoted a study ben shapiro uses lmao, of course he does. ben shapiro is the most grifty piece of shit who blatantly misuses statistics and studies because people can’t fact check him on the spot
@mtlewis973
@mtlewis973 Жыл бұрын
pikachu face
@Haydefaid
@Haydefaid Жыл бұрын
Which like... why the hell didn't they account for that? That is like step 1 for sociological studies...
@skewedsound
@skewedsound 4 жыл бұрын
"Before you're an adult, your pre-frontal cortex is still developing. You can't make informed rational decisions at that point..." "If you made poor choices pre-21, such as having children or not graduating from high school, you should be held accountable for those choices and not be paid enough to survive" The cognitive dissonance is staggering...
@acspore
@acspore 3 жыл бұрын
skewedsound you nailed it, great point
@colconn57
@colconn57 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hijack your post.
@07Flash11MRC
@07Flash11MRC 3 жыл бұрын
Sam should pin your comment. This is the most important lesson from this conversation.
@queenfae2182
@queenfae2182 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention, it's probably still perfectly fine in this guys mind if you sign a contract for student loans that you don't fully understand that you can never get out from under.
@lcee4251
@lcee4251 2 жыл бұрын
It’s cognitive ignorance, he can’t even see the double standard/contradiction
@frankmcgovern5445
@frankmcgovern5445 2 жыл бұрын
“Cry me a river about people stuck in grinding poverty.” “You’re misunderstanding me, I’m sympathetic to people in poverty.” They’re just so goddamn dumb and convinced that they’re geniuses.
@d3l3tes00n
@d3l3tes00n 2 жыл бұрын
"You're appealing to emotion!" Um.. yes.. its called empathy & you have none. Pity is all he has.
@dongunderson9352
@dongunderson9352 2 жыл бұрын
I think your last sentence applies to you more than to anyone else.
@trickstergod9179
@trickstergod9179 Жыл бұрын
@@dongunderson9352 Stay salty, ancap dipsh!t, lol.
@borislavarnaudov475
@borislavarnaudov475 4 жыл бұрын
That dude really just tried to pass off a Ben Shapiro quote as a whole study...
@HeadRedShot
@HeadRedShot 4 жыл бұрын
his quote is based on a study to be fair. fun fact: later they found out that this is more effective for a white person
@KILLA_BEA_ARTHUR_O.D.C.R
@KILLA_BEA_ARTHUR_O.D.C.R 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh not just quote his whole argument
@garrensparks4492
@garrensparks4492 3 жыл бұрын
@@KILLA_BEA_ARTHUR_O.D.C.R 999)??9>>>>*?.. zj Mmmmmll oil J N O
@rjbonacolta
@rjbonacolta 3 жыл бұрын
@@HeadRedShot libertarians are the worst
@jesspavlichenko5745
@jesspavlichenko5745 3 жыл бұрын
It is based on a study but it is worth noting that the authors of the study were pissed at how their data was being used, and clarified that these factors indicate a life already well lived, as in, these factors are not decisions but a privilege and the privileged people who get those privileges go on to get more privileges
@therealivydawg
@therealivydawg 4 жыл бұрын
I graduated highschool, I have no children and I have a full-time job. And I'm in poverty.
@clayton7757
@clayton7757 4 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe it’s a hot take that if you have a full time job you shouldn’t be forced to live in poverty
@edienandy
@edienandy 4 жыл бұрын
Have you tried just not being in poverty? That’s the super top secret 4th thing.
@brianmattingly3204
@brianmattingly3204 4 жыл бұрын
@@edienandy 😂😂😂😂
@lebronjackson4680
@lebronjackson4680 3 жыл бұрын
@@clayton7757 Conservatives: woah there buddy, that’s sounding very communist to me
@righteyeblind23666
@righteyeblind23666 3 жыл бұрын
@@edienandy homeless? Just get a house lmaooo
@paulrodrigues1994
@paulrodrigues1994 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarian: People and businesses are rational actors in the economy. Also Libertarian: "They made bad decisions with their money"
@davidwalters9462
@davidwalters9462 2 жыл бұрын
As Chris Rock noted, when the boss pays you the minimum wage, he is telling you that he would pay you LESS if it were not for the law guaranteeing you that wage.
@psy.mp3
@psy.mp3 Жыл бұрын
truuue
@jonfmcdropout
@jonfmcdropout 4 жыл бұрын
So, his argument against the minimum wage is that 'below the poverty line' wages are a useful punishment for "poor choices"? Shitty attitude, dude.
@haverjr
@haverjr 4 жыл бұрын
So let me understand this what is the ultimate libertarian punishment for bad economic choices? Lets say you did not hit any of those success markers and got married, had kids before 21, and did not graduate highschool. From their you rack up debt to feed and house yourself and your family to the point of needing bankruptcy protections. But in the libertarian perspective you should not be able to declare bankruptcy due to it being a government debt forgiveness program so what would you do with that person to "punish" them debtor's prison? Indentured servitude until debt paid off? Slavery for a set number of years? This is why we have economic laws and regulations outlining how much a minimum wage should be because humans deserve a set amount for their time while working for any company. We also have protections against being punished due to financial failings all of which stop the establishment of a even lower class below poverty level that would be considered a subservient/slave class as was the case in centuries past.
@septima1789
@septima1789 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao he literally quoted Ben Shapiro's PragerU video.
@grmpEqweer
@grmpEqweer 4 жыл бұрын
PropagandaU
@fatlacesthedon
@fatlacesthedon 4 жыл бұрын
I knew it as soon as he said "these set of rules" lmfao this guy is a laugh riot
@lonniedobbins778
@lonniedobbins778 4 жыл бұрын
What Candace And Kanye Also Quotes When They Speak Negative Of The Black Population. *The Most Illiterate, Illogical, Stupid, Dumb, Moronic, Lunatic, Fanatical Bullshit Ever Published(presented to the public). I Would Like To Force Prager To Live Under The Conditions He Finds Acceptable For Black People And All Others That Agree With Him. *Stupid Illiterate Satan Worshippers Claims Murder Isn't Wrong If You're Not A Member Of Their Religion*? (Worship Of A Man As A God On Earth)(ALL KINGS, QUEENS, ROYALTY CLAIMS A GOD APPOINTED THEIR FAMILY TO RULE OVER OTHERS! SOME CLAIMING TO BE DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF GOD!)*EUROPEANS*! Prager believe white people should be slave masters of others. *His Videos Supporting The Enslavement Of Black People And The Other Illiterate Stupid Racist Concepts He Has Of Black People Was Removed*. One That Created The Stupid Statement That Black People Was HAPPY TO BE SLAVES! *That Black People Had Complete Families While Enslaved, (people sold with no reguard if they're member of a family!), Never Saying A Word Of Their SADISTIC INHUMAN ASSAULTS, RAPE, TORTURE, BEATINGS, ANY AND ALL FORMS OF WEAPONS AND INSTRUMENTS OF TORTURE USED AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE. Prager Like So Many Others Was Working Hard To Convince White People That *The Black Population Must Be Eliminated.* "FREEDOM" Is What They Named Their OPERATIONS. TRUMP CHOSEN AS THE FALLGUY TO BLAME WHEN THEIR PLANS OF OVERTHROWING THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND COMMITTING HUEMAN GENOCIDE FAILS. Remember all the lies of a White Genocide? *They Always Blame Others For What They're Doing Or Plan To Do.* These fools really thought they was going to have their RACE WAR to eliminate the black population. Remember RACE WAR promoted, Spoken Of, Lies That Black People Was Planning Such Operations, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, FOX News And All Of Their Host, Many White Conservative Politicians All Promoted RACE WAR. The *Government Shutdowns Was Planned To Force Black People To Riot.* Thought Not Providing Welfare Payments Would Make Black People RIOT. *How Is It None Of You Can See THE CRIMES These People Are Committing?* THESE ARE CRIMES! PLANNING THE MURDER OF THE BLACK POPULATION AND CALLING IT FREEDOM. *Google "The Freedom Caucus"* *Legal FOR WHITE PEOPLE to declare war against the country and commit genocide?*
@vojtasks
@vojtasks 3 жыл бұрын
@@lonniedobbins778 what the hell are you talking about? :-D where did you take these nonsense from? :-D you think that pragerU defends slavery and does not mention how terrible this institution was? :-D
@weirdo82
@weirdo82 Жыл бұрын
@@vojtasks I don't know what this other guy said, but PragerU has made several videos contextualizing slavery as a necessary good. They made a video defending Lee, in that video they paint John Brown in a negative light because he led a *slave rebellion,* they've made video after video comparing democratic principles both *negatively, AND comparing it to slavery,* they laughably made Frederick Douglass act like the fact that slavery kept going around 100 years AFTER we made the Constitution *was a good thing.* They made a video that boils down to "other countries did slavery too, and we stopped it first(which we didn't)!". Wait, you're subscribed to Vaush?! He's done videos reacting to PragerU. You should know all this!
@mostly-harmless
@mostly-harmless 3 жыл бұрын
omfg rolling when he said "Ben Shapiro cites it" ... "WELL IN THAT CASE" LOL
@d3l3tes00n
@d3l3tes00n 4 жыл бұрын
I love people who believe that you must have made bad decisions if you're poor.
@edienandy
@edienandy 4 жыл бұрын
Tbf have I haven’t given not being poor the old college try. Maybe I have made bad decisions 🧐
@nickandres7829
@nickandres7829 Жыл бұрын
I always say to truly achieve success in life, you need means, motive and opportunity. Some people can get by with only two, but you're in for a real hard time if you only have one.
@acreativename2781
@acreativename2781 Жыл бұрын
Even if you did, you dont deserve to suffer lmao, psychopaths
@draxthemsklonst
@draxthemsklonst 10 ай бұрын
@nickandres7829 Skill, effort, and luck.
@xxelaxela333
@xxelaxela333 4 жыл бұрын
My wife dropped out of high school to provide full time end of life care for her dying mother. She was working two minimum wage part time jobs. I hate this caller
@IMatchoNation
@IMatchoNation 4 жыл бұрын
She clearly made poor life decisions. Doesn't she know facts don't care about her dying mother? Seems like a "her" problem to me. /s
@thatsme05
@thatsme05 4 жыл бұрын
The caller says, a person's brain is not developed until their early 20s so they can't work because they can't make decisions. Then judges people by three decisions they make before their early twenties
@pyrel
@pyrel 4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@hoopoverthehill
@hoopoverthehill 11 ай бұрын
This is perfect example of someone who never met or spoke to a poor person or someone of working-class status.
@al5306
@al5306 3 жыл бұрын
These people know that we need food industry workers; sanitation workers; maintenance workers; etc. Without them, we're screwed. They know how necessary they are, but at the same time, they don't feel they deserve to be paid a living wage to do their jobs. All they want to do is look down on the working class to feel better about themselves.
@tc2882
@tc2882 3 жыл бұрын
They don't want teachers, nurses or home health aides to be paid either.
@adorabell4253
@adorabell4253 3 жыл бұрын
It’s that thing where they say that flipping burgers is a part-time job for students but still expect these places to be open during school hours.
@nickandres7829
@nickandres7829 Жыл бұрын
@@adorabell4253 Sam Debated some other libertarian, Peter something (not Thiel) who seemed incredulous at the notion someone might be working a fast food job into their forties, and seemed to think any kid mowing laws, even if they were only making 2 cents an hour, could get so good at mowing lawns that they'd be able to set their own wages. Guy was a total lunatic.
@wvu05
@wvu05 Жыл бұрын
They want a permanent underclass, but they want to pretend that they don't. Either they are lying or are too stupid to understand that they are espousing the Anyone Can So Everyone Can Fallacy. Even if the first part of that is true (and that's a big if), the second is definitely not.
@Jabberwhorl_Cronstadt
@Jabberwhorl_Cronstadt 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarian on child labor:"Your frontal cortex isn't fully formed until you're 20, so you can't enter contracts before then." Libertarian on minimum wage: "If you decide to drop out of high school at 16, you deserve to be poor for life."
@awesomeant9509
@awesomeant9509 4 жыл бұрын
Well what stops me from gaining knowledge and skills to from simply going to the library. We have many talented, successful children. In a libertarian view of the world I don't see why such contract limitations necessarily are made, then again I can't guarantee they aren't.
@draxthemsklonst
@draxthemsklonst 10 ай бұрын
@@awesomeant9509 Is this a response saying you agree?
@baby.nay.
@baby.nay. 8 ай бұрын
@@awesomeant9509 in a libertarian society there would be no public library … who would pay for it
@PepsiMaxVanilla
@PepsiMaxVanilla 7 ай бұрын
its the exact opposite. if you don't have experience and/or a degree, companies won't think that you can generate enough value to sustain the minimum wage payments they provide you. let's say you can only make a company 4$ an hour, instead of them giving you a job, giving you experience and letting you start climbing the ladder, you get 0$. as an analogy, imagine you are stuck in a deep hole. minimum wage is like there being a ladder to climb out of the hole but the start of the ladder is 15ft above you. without minimum wage that ladder would have an addon to extend all the way to the bottom and everyone else would still be on the same step as they were before.
@PepsiMaxVanilla
@PepsiMaxVanilla 7 ай бұрын
@@baby.nay. if people found value in a library they would pay for access. if no-one at all went to the library (aka found value in it), the government would be wasting it's money keeping it open.
@Erik-ri1mc
@Erik-ri1mc 4 жыл бұрын
"Sam, don't use strawmen. I listen to Ben Shapiro, pal."
@SquarelyGames
@SquarelyGames 4 жыл бұрын
"You are arguing with EMOTIONS"
@thebrutusmars
@thebrutusmars 4 жыл бұрын
“There’s no ABC steps for starting a successful business but there are ABC steps for getting out of poverty.” I don’t think that’s how that works.
@aegontargaryen219
@aegontargaryen219 4 жыл бұрын
Josh has never had a bill his parents didn’t pay for him
@jakelaurent6
@jakelaurent6 4 жыл бұрын
A perfect Libertarian world: Polluted Rivers, No Public Schools, No Roads, No taxes on corporations and 5-year-olds doing cocaine if they want.
@grmpEqweer
@grmpEqweer 4 жыл бұрын
The 5 year olds will need the coke to keep them on their 12 hour shifts!
@RiotKurhein
@RiotKurhein 4 жыл бұрын
There would be roads, just they would all be tolled at varied prices and have varied maintenance depending on the affluence of the region they go through.
@nosuchthing8
@nosuchthing8 4 жыл бұрын
Where libertarians live they think they don't need roads
@keybadejedi70
@keybadejedi70 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a 3rd world country
@alexg60
@alexg60 4 жыл бұрын
So he thinks that child labor laws are a good thing because children can't make informed decisions, but also believes that failing high school is a decision that you should be held responsible for 🤔
@baddie1shoe
@baddie1shoe 4 жыл бұрын
I miss Michael.
@burculuks
@burculuks 4 жыл бұрын
I love Sam's hate for libertarians
@RFLCPTR
@RFLCPTR 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarian socialism is pretty good
@nukiradio
@nukiradio 4 жыл бұрын
@@RFLCPTR isn't libertarian socialism impossible?
@RFLCPTR
@RFLCPTR 4 жыл бұрын
@@nukiradio *laughs in kurdish, spanish and mexican at the same time*
@PeterHamiltonz
@PeterHamiltonz 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm not a scientist" Clearly. "...prefontal cortex development...something like 20..." Well a "scientist" will tell you it's 25, so guess what kids...No contracts of any sort before you're 25!
@Mcree114
@Mcree114 4 жыл бұрын
Better break the bad news to the Military Industrial Complex.
@chumplafayette9561
@chumplafayette9561 4 жыл бұрын
Poverty is not a test of character. It's just poverty. You know what you get for surviving a day in poverty? Another one. And then another one. Nobody's watching you from Money Heaven tallying up your hard work to make sure you're rewarded someday.
@Derpy-qg9hn
@Derpy-qg9hn 4 жыл бұрын
If anything, the people in money-heaven are looking at how desperate you are to get the absolute most they can out of ya.
@chumplafayette9561
@chumplafayette9561 4 жыл бұрын
@@Derpy-qg9hn right!!
@stephenreis1823
@stephenreis1823 4 жыл бұрын
its particularly baffling logic. If poverty were a test of character does that mean the rich lack characther?
@CalebGooch23
@CalebGooch23 3 жыл бұрын
Under capitalism, you can’t gain unless you have something to give. And you ALWAYS have something to give. There’s not excuse at all for somebody that decided in their head they will not attempt to give anything but the minimum
@chumplafayette9561
@chumplafayette9561 3 жыл бұрын
@@CalebGooch23 poverty only exists because of capitalism.
@troyareyes
@troyareyes 4 жыл бұрын
Christ I can smell the high and tight haircut through the phone. I cant believe I used to think like this.
@scottgrohs5940
@scottgrohs5940 4 жыл бұрын
Solidarity, brother. I used to think like that, too. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago and the second best time is now.
@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242
@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242 3 жыл бұрын
"You're not helping people by giving them enough money to live on." This guy.
@BaronVonQuiply
@BaronVonQuiply 4 жыл бұрын
Libertariansism in a nutshell: Income tax? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Paying $65 to travel the private toll road at the end of my driveway? Freedom.
@hamd52
@hamd52 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarians are so cute when they're little. When they get older and don't grow out of it though, it's just sad.
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I never tried to get all political when I was a lad. Too busy having fun being a kid playing games all day without major responsibilities. Thank god too because at that age, you're going to be leaving a lot of stuff out lol. This dude sounds like he's in his 20s or maybe 30s. Oh boy...
@TheStan4th
@TheStan4th 2 жыл бұрын
As the old joke goes; "What do you want to be when you grow up, son?" - "A Libertarian". "Sorry, you can't do both".
@alexkehoepwj
@alexkehoepwj 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a great idea before you think about it
@originaljazzkatt
@originaljazzkatt 9 ай бұрын
If you own a business and claim you can't afford to pay your workers a livable wage, then you don't get to have a business.
@wyett123
@wyett123 9 ай бұрын
They can keep their business...they just won't have workers.
@sivervipa
@sivervipa 3 жыл бұрын
"Maybe I didn't explain the argument right." No you did your best champ. It's a terrible idea anyway.
@kboyd268
@kboyd268 4 жыл бұрын
I graduated with my bachelor's in biochemistry, have no children, not married, and got my first career job with my degree in 2019 making 15$ an hour in the Chicagoland area . So without even getting into deeper, already your logic is flawed. It's about how much it costs to survive and how much your productivity is worth. Your work shouldn't make corporations billions of dollars while their workers are not being paid enough to survive.
@nosuchthing8
@nosuchthing8 4 жыл бұрын
So a woman is forced into the workforce because her husband leaves her, and this caller blames her for her husband s behaviour when she can't pay the bills? Odd logic there.
@eluadyl
@eluadyl 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, of course. Had she been a better judge of character and not married the sonofabitch in the first place... Do I need a sarcasm indicator?
@AiiCii
@AiiCii 4 жыл бұрын
Stefan Molyneux is banging my door screaming about women choosing assholes
@seanh7585
@seanh7585 4 жыл бұрын
Forced to work because her husband left her? Are you 80 years old or just referring to trophy wives?
@maeror1022
@maeror1022 3 жыл бұрын
A $15 minimum wage is begging for scraps. If you adjust the minimum wage with inflation it should be $25 an hour or even more
@Scriptorsilentum
@Scriptorsilentum 3 жыл бұрын
agreed. however, business will screech about how the buying public will have to shoulder the increased costs for products/services. the sensible thing to do would be to tell the sacred and beatified SHAREHOLDERS the following: " hey assholes, you'll get something around dividend time it just won't be as much cuz we gotta pay our drones enough they can eat and live in permanent dwellings rather than charity shelters and tent cities on sidewalks". and the coc75uc7ers will never do that.
@jwomackandcheese73
@jwomackandcheese73 3 жыл бұрын
I was born to a single parent, graduated high school, went to college have a two bachlors degrees, I am not married, don't have kids. I make almost $18/hr in mental healthcare non profit, I work full time, and mostly due to my student debt and credit card debt as a result of going to college I barley scrape by. This dude has no idea what he is talking about. He had to say Sam was strawmaning because it is a valid point. Saying people made bad decisions is based entirely on individual life experience. My job is in healthcare so I don't think he could make the argument my job is pointless. I'm guessing he would say "Well you were too poor to go to college so you shouldn't have gone." Despicable. He's basically saying if you aren't whatever version of perfection is in his head you don't deserve to make a decent wage.
@Squiggles216
@Squiggles216 4 жыл бұрын
His “study” about the 3 things to do to be successful was literally from a Ben Shapiro Prager U video 🤦‍♀️
@BaronVonQuiply
@BaronVonQuiply 4 жыл бұрын
Hilarious 🤣 *cue NPC meme*
@edienandy
@edienandy 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet baby Satan that’s bad
@Scriptorsilentum
@Scriptorsilentum 3 жыл бұрын
i wouldn't say it'll make you successful but it can sure help you get a better start. that said, it's awful all the way around. business is whipping govt (that they own - face it, business bought and paid for the fuckers...) to ensure people cannot get ahead no matter what they do. try finding pensions. open a 401k, roth ira's, savings accounts. you get as little as they can get away with... bastards.
@donaldryan4876
@donaldryan4876 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarian logic: "You're not helping people by helping people."
@DaFunkz
@DaFunkz 4 жыл бұрын
And "you're helping people by not helping people".
@thatringinginyourears3955
@thatringinginyourears3955 3 жыл бұрын
caller: ben shapiro supports it everyone in the studio: *uproarious laughter*
@Frenchkisssss
@Frenchkisssss 4 жыл бұрын
This is really depressing. This guy is the reason why America is so fucked up.
@inquisitorichijou883
@inquisitorichijou883 4 жыл бұрын
"Ben Shapiro cites it" is really a sign for a Quality study.
@jamesnelson7731
@jamesnelson7731 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is a cynic. He also lacks empathy, and has a very narrow view of the way the world works.
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 4 жыл бұрын
James Nelson you could just say libertarian.
@jamesnelson7731
@jamesnelson7731 4 жыл бұрын
@@ilikeme1234 ---- But if you listen to the guy, he forsnt know what he is. He believed in some libertarian ideas but not all of them. He was confusing to himself.
@jamesguilford6807
@jamesguilford6807 4 жыл бұрын
@Proud violent Libtard ; Are you saying that I do not have a Right to have control over you and or your life even if I am willing to work hard to do so ?! Wow dude, that is another really novel idea !
@CalebGooch23
@CalebGooch23 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesguilford6807 I’m so confused lol. Libertarians don’t want to control anything. You might want to read history and see which side has done the most controlling LOL
@jamesguilford6807
@jamesguilford6807 3 жыл бұрын
@@CalebGooch23 ; Which period of history would you recommend I read about; the period of history when the term Libertarian referred to persons who were staunchly anti-capitalist, or the period of history when many staunch supporters of unregulated capitalism began to refer to themselves as Libertarians ? I would argue that the advocates of unregulated capitalism are certainly interested in allowing Capitalists, ''and particularly the most wealthy of capitalists'', a great deal of control. Throughout the history of humanity, we see that wealthy peoples, ''and particularly wealthy peoples who have claimed to have supernatural authority backing them,'' have more often than not, controlled the masses. Needless to say, many of these wealthy peoples have controlled the masses both directly and indirectly via governments; governments that is that the same wealthy people controlled, either directly or indirectly.
@MrCadenita07
@MrCadenita07 2 жыл бұрын
2 years of college, married at 30, no kids, full time job and scraping by
@ErroneousMonk1
@ErroneousMonk1 2 жыл бұрын
Then you're a slacker. 2 years of college, no degree, ten years in the Air Force, a few kids, full time job, divorced and remarried, doing just fine. Get a better job.
@PR--un4ub
@PR--un4ub 2 жыл бұрын
@@ErroneousMonk1 Great strategy: "join the military".
@ErroneousMonk1
@ErroneousMonk1 2 жыл бұрын
@@PR--un4ub Actually, the strategy is “get a better job”. The military is just one way to do that when you have no self-motivation or discipline. But really, if you’re gonna go on KZfaq and complain about “scraping by” you’re probably not really looking for a way to improve your position in life. You’re looking for a handout, which is what the minimum wage is.
@gartner101
@gartner101 4 жыл бұрын
My son just moved to a city 100 miles away to take up a job. He doesn't get paid till the end of the month. In the meantime he has to find an apartment deposit, a month's rent, clothes for the job, travel and food. Guess what I've had to front him the month. Without his family he wouldn't be able to do it.
@CogniVision
@CogniVision 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is all about those right-wing talking points.
@subversivelysurreal3645
@subversivelysurreal3645 4 жыл бұрын
why should a poor innocent government subsidize an individual’s ‘poor, bad, decisions?’ when that same poor, innocent government can subsidize Boeing’s incredibly dangerous and yet money-saving bad decisions...?!
@tc2882
@tc2882 3 жыл бұрын
I have a college education. I have worked full-time jobs for over 3 decades. I did not have children prior to getting married. My best job was outsourced to Asia. Due to widespread outsourcing, the entire industry shrank dramatically in the U.S. My skills were not transferable to another industry. I have physical limitations that prevent me from many higher-paying manual labor jobs, like plumbing or masonry or vehicle maintenance technician. Please, Mr. Libertarian, explain exactly what bad decisions I made that I should be punished to live in poverty?
@mrmakiman
@mrmakiman 3 жыл бұрын
"Well this sounds like it's all your fault still, for reasons that I can't get into detail now because I need to pick up my girlfriend from the girl scouts."
@abacus892
@abacus892 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrmakiman dead 😂
@PR--un4ub
@PR--un4ub 3 жыл бұрын
"Just move, dude."
@Scriptorsilentum
@Scriptorsilentum 3 жыл бұрын
one bad decision murricans as a whole have made is tuning out from their politics. starting with ronnie raygun all the way here people have consistently voted in lowlifes that have permitted the economic raping of the country. Every. Single. Election. County, state, fed.
@Jeffreyketcham
@Jeffreyketcham 4 жыл бұрын
You need to make good individual choices when you’re a teenager and graduate and not have kids. But wait, he just said that people under 20 are incapable of making informed rationale decisions right? So by his logic, how can they be held responsible for the actions they made under the age of 20?
@sly13
@sly13 4 жыл бұрын
Caller: "people will make good rational choices" Calls into the Majority Report and gets destroyed....was that a good rational choice?
@abacus892
@abacus892 3 жыл бұрын
So this guy thinks that 20 year olds have poor decision making skills, but is happy that mistakes made before that age could see you in poverty for most of your adult life? Ok.
@daniellee7871
@daniellee7871 2 жыл бұрын
>Don't you dare have a child out of wedlock >Don't you dare abort this child you're going to have out of wedlock Make it make sense
@ErroneousMonk1
@ErroneousMonk1 2 жыл бұрын
Easy. Don't have sex with someone you're not married to unless you're willing to take care of the offspring you might produce. I mean, we say the same thing about drinking and driving. And don't kill children for ANY reason. That one's REAL EASY.
@bunyipz2040
@bunyipz2040 4 жыл бұрын
How is it a personal responsibility to have a good childhood?
@grmpEqweer
@grmpEqweer 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, they do judge the poor as morally inferior. Very obviously. A lot of people do, it's moral justification for making them suffer. It's scapegoating.
@bobdobbz9334
@bobdobbz9334 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@ahouyearno
@ahouyearno 3 ай бұрын
Just turn it around. Why should workers subsidize the bad decisions of employers, namely their inability to pay a decent wage?
@ashleecantu6470
@ashleecantu6470 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. We subsidize the bad decisions of businesses in countless ways. They refuse to pay their employees a living wage or provide healthcare, so we all pay for EBT, Medicare, etc. They take loans they can't pay back. They can just file bankruptcy. Students who take loans can never declare bankruptcy. They do ridiculous, immoral things and crash the markets, the government bails them out with our taxes. The notion that employees are forcing the employer to pay for their bad decisions is ABSURD.
@princemononoke2477
@princemononoke2477 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao my favorite part is when he says that "guaranteeing a safe working environment and a minimum wage aren't related to each other" The ability to SURVIVE off that job and not live in poverty IS a factor of safety, they go hand in hand.
@dalaidolly5017
@dalaidolly5017 4 жыл бұрын
$30K a year lets you live in your CAR in Malibu. Good GOD, this guy hasn't connected his two brain cells.
@jonl1319
@jonl1319 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking lol
@BewarethePurpleOne
@BewarethePurpleOne 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarianism happens when people make political decisions based purely on how much of their parents money they get to keep.
@AugustDrake
@AugustDrake 3 жыл бұрын
The morality of this caller is so transparent. If he can do it to people, it's okay, but if people can do it to him, he's wrong. What a fool.
@serversurfer6169
@serversurfer6169 Жыл бұрын
"Look, if you have a kid before you're 21, your labor _isn't_ worth $15. That's just math, dummy!" 🤦‍♂
@DRChupacabrah
@DRChupacabrah 4 жыл бұрын
when he said "Ben Shapiro cites it" ... I said "oh in that case" same time as Sam lol
@gustavoa.belfiore4701
@gustavoa.belfiore4701 4 жыл бұрын
US Libertarianism is the political equivalent of teenagers yelling "NO DAD, I DO WHATEVER I WANT!!!!!!!!"
@gustavoa.belfiore4701
@gustavoa.belfiore4701 4 жыл бұрын
@@BarryMaple You're right. You changed my mind completely. Thank you very much.
@biskitboi2476
@biskitboi2476 3 жыл бұрын
This guy's point is literally 'fuck poor people'.
@tenkenroo
@tenkenroo 3 жыл бұрын
That’s libertarians in a nutshell
@biskitboi2476
@biskitboi2476 3 жыл бұрын
"Cry me a river" .... "I'm sympathetic to people"
@chocolatemilkshake4299
@chocolatemilkshake4299 4 жыл бұрын
"Yeah I'm gonna have to cut my employee's wage...I just found out his kid was born out of wedlock"
@JayJay-xf2jf
@JayJay-xf2jf 4 жыл бұрын
*"It's a pretty popular paper, Ben Shapiro cites it"* FFS, I can't take this dude seriously. Who on earth would put stock in something hasBeen Shapiro cites?
@RailAtsamara
@RailAtsamara Жыл бұрын
"cry me a river" ah yes the libertarian answer to everything
@shwah8299
@shwah8299 Жыл бұрын
"cry me a river that causes a flood to which the free market offers no solutions."
@markm7762
@markm7762 4 жыл бұрын
i remember being a libertarian and then i became an adult
@Km-kq9sz
@Km-kq9sz 4 жыл бұрын
Oh you became an adult and started debating 4 on 1? Yeah good to know buddy lmaooooo
@Ava-pq6om
@Ava-pq6om 4 жыл бұрын
The title says he's a libertarian, and yet he doesn't think children are their parents' property; you should've asked him what his stance on age of consent laws is to make sure.
@eiyukabe
@eiyukabe 4 жыл бұрын
"Cry me a river" Jesus Christ, Libertarianism is formalized sociopathy.
@christiangjernes3629
@christiangjernes3629 Жыл бұрын
Josh: Children with undeveloped prefrontal cortexes cannot be held responsible for economic decisions like employment. Also Josh: If a child can’t finish high school, they don’t deserve good income.
@jvondd
@jvondd Жыл бұрын
Okay. I graduated high school. I even graduated from college with two degrees. I've worked several full-time jobs with benefits. I didn't have any children until after I got married. I still live below the poverty line. Did I do something wrong, or is this criteria just a bunch of bullshit to help pretend that economic oppression is nothing more than a personal failure?
@Crown42
@Crown42 Жыл бұрын
What are the degrees that you graduated with? That will explain why you are not financially stable. I went to college and graduated with a master's in computer science and I make good money. I started off working in blue-collar work and hated it. It just wasn't worth it at all... That industry consists of low pay, long hours, toxic people, and unsafe conditions. Lol, let those rednecks, and immigrants have it. 😂
@Sam-vq1qf
@Sam-vq1qf Жыл бұрын
@@Crown42what? You can hardly read my friend. Who cares what the degrees are? They should be able to make a wage high enough to support them. Not everyone, hate to break it to you, is you
@Crown42
@Crown42 Жыл бұрын
@@Sam-vq1qf I agree that people should make a decent amount of money to survive but you also have to be realistic with yourself. If you are going to college for something that is not going to make you a good return on your investment then you should reconsider going to college. As I said in my previous comment I worked in blue-collar jobs before and I hated it. The reasons why I left were because of the low pay, low benefits, long work hours, and most importantly the toxic environment that you are in I told myself that I'm better than this. I'm not knocking people who work in those fields but I just know that it's not for me. That's why I went back to school and chose computer science because I knew that going to college only makes sense if it's a good return if investment. I love my job it's remote, it has good pay, and I like my job. Again, I wasn't trying to be rude but people need to be realistic with themselves.
@Sam-vq1qf
@Sam-vq1qf Жыл бұрын
@@Crown42 you can tell you’re brain isn’t very good
@baby.nay.
@baby.nay. 8 ай бұрын
@@Crown42oh honey , how elitist and unamerican your comment is…
@stevesavage4247
@stevesavage4247 4 жыл бұрын
What's the bet this guys still getting an allowance from his parents that is higher than the min wage
@johnnafunkhouser5999
@johnnafunkhouser5999 4 жыл бұрын
The caller forgets about greed and lack of concern for many workers. Minimum wage resists against exploitation.. All types of workers are needed. All should be respected for contributing. Living wage equals respect
@shawnsheffield4766
@shawnsheffield4766 4 жыл бұрын
He's not forgetting anything. He knows these things and gave many examples of how he doesn't care about the workers. Libertarians do subscribe to that whole 'Objectivism' nonsense after all. There's also another name for it though, sociopathy.
@johnnafunkhouser5999
@johnnafunkhouser5999 4 жыл бұрын
Sam being Sam in the best way possible. He is the.boss for good reason!
@ikeepmoving
@ikeepmoving Жыл бұрын
This caller has never made a woman climax.
@imangrynow
@imangrynow 11 ай бұрын
I had a degree, no kids and no marriage, aged 25 and was working minimum wage.
@Matt_Barnes
@Matt_Barnes 11 ай бұрын
I'm 31 and going to a job interview for 15/hr in 35 minutes 😂 I have a bachelor's, too. And no kids. Not married either. Florida is the worst.
@imangrynow
@imangrynow 11 ай бұрын
@@Matt_Barnes Hope it went well… and that you get one for $30 next week!! 🤞
@Matt_Barnes
@Matt_Barnes 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! I got the job, and the shifts are grueling but hey if I work a fifth 10 hour shift I get overtime pay every week so there's that. Thanks for the positive energy bud. I haven't stopped looking for something better. Best of luck to you, as well! @@imangrynow
@gimphandjeff
@gimphandjeff 4 жыл бұрын
If you have a small business and can't pay your employees decent money, you shouldn't have a business.
@blankname6629
@blankname6629 4 жыл бұрын
Jeffery Tucker especially when you consider the minimum wage is at a level it should have been in the 70s. I believe the stat I read said that if minimum wage kept up with the cost of living the minimum wage would be over 20 dollars. The way I see it they have been giving workers slave wages
@LinkRocks
@LinkRocks 4 жыл бұрын
@@blankname6629 Yes. $15/hr is too low, but it's a nice start.
@beeyaybaracas3240
@beeyaybaracas3240 4 жыл бұрын
🎯
@lavia5521
@lavia5521 4 жыл бұрын
@@blankname6629 If the minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would be 22, if it kept up with productivity, it would be over 30.
@seanh7585
@seanh7585 4 жыл бұрын
The biggest corporations in the world are federally subsidized, how about start giving Dow and Amazon subsidies to small businesses instead?
@scotthall5405
@scotthall5405 4 жыл бұрын
"you cant afford to live in malibu on $7.50" "people should just save money to move"
@hueyfreeman4366
@hueyfreeman4366 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Hall and then the minimum wage in Malibu will, for some reason, rise...... completely circular....
@SYDWORLD
@SYDWORLD 11 ай бұрын
'How would you design a society from scratch, if you didn't know where you were in it'. Dismantled his entire argument in one sentence. Michael Brooks was a legend, gone to soon RiP.
@IAmNumber4000
@IAmNumber4000 Жыл бұрын
"If there are bad outcomes in my system it is because people make bad decisions. CHECKMATE" This guy has like 18 double standards layered on top of each other, it's absurd.
@hamsamich17
@hamsamich17 4 жыл бұрын
Y'all realise this caller is convinced he won this debate right?........
@scslre
@scslre 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he'd already decided that before he picked up the phone. It doesn't really matter, in the end.
@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN
@FUNKY_BUTTLOVIN 4 жыл бұрын
Hey uuhhh, i'm 25 years old and my parents still pay for everything for me, and i just dont get why we need a minimum wage. I mean aahhh, they made a bad choice by not choosing a more fortunate birth, i mean uuhhh
@gregorygriffin9582
@gregorygriffin9582 3 жыл бұрын
Caller: "I'm sympathetic to people!" Caller 5 minutes earlier: "Cry me a river!"
@person19863456
@person19863456 4 жыл бұрын
RIP MICHAEL BROOKS. He was the goat 😔
@Chrisg841
@Chrisg841 4 жыл бұрын
These libertarians dudes always seem to be born into privilege.
@a-ny9647
@a-ny9647 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't you know about the 3 step program of libertians? 1. Be born white. 2. Don't be born into poverty. 3. Don't get married before 21, instead jerk off to capitalism. Anyone can be a libertarian this way.
@CalebGooch23
@CalebGooch23 3 жыл бұрын
@@a-ny9647 not gonna lie....that statement was alittle racist lol
@a-ny9647
@a-ny9647 3 жыл бұрын
@@CalebGooch23 ...it's sarcasm...? I am quite obviously making broad generalizations. Believe it or not, I don't ACTUALLY think you have to jerk off to capitalism to be a libertain, either. Not gonna lie, you might be a little too sensitive. And if you're gonna call me out on something like racism, I'm not sure why you'd say LOL afterwards.
@CalebGooch23
@CalebGooch23 3 жыл бұрын
@@a-ny9647 cuz it was a joke satirizing the overuse of the word racist…….
@CalebGooch23
@CalebGooch23 3 жыл бұрын
@@a-ny9647 and actually it was racist. I know minorities that are outspoken libertarians because they Watched their local governments promise change in their communities for 30-40 years and those communities are worse now. My favorite people are those that say fuck the government and do shit on their own. So that’s why I’m a libertarian. I hate republicans and I hate democrats.
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 4 жыл бұрын
So to get this guy straight, If you are on minimum wages you've made bad decisions, but If you own a business and mismanaged it to a point where you can't afford to pay your workers it's an injustice that they should pay the workers for there labour.
@Les020519
@Les020519 3 жыл бұрын
This josh guy sounds like a young privileged person who has not experienced life’s hardships yet, despite trying to make good decisions.
@RigelOrionBeta
@RigelOrionBeta Жыл бұрын
He mentions that he can find a 1 BR apt in Texas for 600 dollars. A minimum wage full time job gives you 1.2k dollars a month. That's 1k after federal taxes. That's more than HALF of your money on rent! How is that affordable? People recommend a third of your AFTER tax income on rent! What are you left with after that? Still need to pay for food, transportation, healthcare and rent/health/dental/car insurance, electricity, water, HVAC, maybe car payments. You'd be *incredibly* lucky if you could save 100 bucks a month. You'd almost certainly have to forgo spending anything on entertainment, hobbies, travel or anything not dedicated to sustenance. These people truly are living in a fantasy land.
@devonallie
@devonallie Жыл бұрын
if you live in Texas, you're DEFINITELY gone need a car.
@Jcrof
@Jcrof Жыл бұрын
In that situation you couldn’t even qualify for the apartment because renters ask that you make two to three times the rent in order to rent there.
@crawdaddy2004
@crawdaddy2004 4 жыл бұрын
If someone didn’t graduate high school, isn’t that a decision they made before their frontal cortex developed.
@JayJay-xf2jf
@JayJay-xf2jf 4 жыл бұрын
@N Silva Facts! Some teens have to work fulltime if they want to eat, wash with soap, brush their teeth and wear shoes that fit. Josh considers these things to be "bad decisions" evidently.
@RUSE321
@RUSE321 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, the neural networks in our brains are highly susceptible until about age 25.
@thricefan89
@thricefan89 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarians have never read Grapes of Wrath It seems like they haven't read anything from or about the great depression and earlier when deregulation was the worst thing for society
@bk83082
@bk83082 3 жыл бұрын
The worst decision you can make is not being born into wealth.
@pkmcburroughs
@pkmcburroughs 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. What are people thinking? Being born into poverty is just another bad decision that shouldn't be rewarded.
@miintyfresj
@miintyfresj 3 жыл бұрын
Ding, Ding, Sing... I think you've cracked the code
@antoinebrocq1395
@antoinebrocq1395 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of capitalists would answer smth like "oh that's your antecessor's bad choices" Wich is almost funny when you trace your ancestors back to slaves and hungry agricultors just like myself... (sorry for the bad of the english)
@p1sstoph3
@p1sstoph3 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone that I know/have known personally, was ever born from nothing and ended making out ok at this point. Everyone that I've personally known that was able to do well had a family backing to help with school, cars, or even getting down payments on first homes. Sure, they eventually had themselves in a self sustaining position, but they still had to have a safety net until they could walk on their own.
@spamfilter32
@spamfilter32 10 ай бұрын
Oh my god! That "3 things to succeed" wasn't a study, it was a survey, and it is not a study in any way shape or form.
@bludragon34
@bludragon34 4 жыл бұрын
I gotta admit, when I see a majority report video with libertarian in the title I get a little excited.
@FoolOfATuque
@FoolOfATuque 4 жыл бұрын
I used to be a manager at an auto parts store and one of the kids working across the street at Popeye's couldn't afford a bottle of anti-freeze. I gave him a bottle of anti-freeze until payday so he could drive to work. This argument is just an argument born from people who have never seen retail workers struggling to pay their bills on minimum wage. They just see the smile on the workers face and assume it is genuine.
@thomassomers7408
@thomassomers7408 2 жыл бұрын
“minors’ brains aren’t developed enough to make informed decisions and they shouldn’t suffer consequences for that” “if someone didn’t graduate from high school they deserve to be in poverty for the rest of their lives because they made a bad decision” so how old does he think people who drop out of high school usually are
@bicycleninja1685
@bicycleninja1685 2 жыл бұрын
Great point.
@thoughtful1233
@thoughtful1233 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention plenty of 14 year olds can make better decisions than stupid 40 year olds. Reality doesn't fit his categories all that well. Apparently Elon Musk is the archetype of virtue in his world and he's somewhere way down the value chain.
@darksoul479
@darksoul479 3 жыл бұрын
People like this drive me crazy. He acts like $15 is a lot of money, money is just a meaningless number, what matters is the price of commodities. Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation. It doesn't matter if you get paid $100 an hour if a loaf of bread cost $500.
@BricksIn
@BricksIn 4 жыл бұрын
Libertarians are basically highschool football players who's parents tell them they're getting into college because their grades are amazing.
@johnfauxnom4221
@johnfauxnom4221 11 ай бұрын
Libertarians grow up in a rust belt town that still has a factory, the rent for a 2 bedroom is still less than 1300, the big city everyone goes to party in is 40 mins away, and they make 13 an hour as a landscaper, then tell mfs in California "You're just not working hard enough."
@vdub2014
@vdub2014 11 ай бұрын
fuckin nailed it dude lol
@pipopipo6477
@pipopipo6477 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure there are almost no libertarians that are born poor. All those guys are at least from a middle class family or from a family that helped them to get to college.....
@aoescool
@aoescool 4 жыл бұрын
all the ones I have met are from middle class to upper middle class.. grew up in Westchester ny
@hadleytorres8171
@hadleytorres8171 Жыл бұрын
This is a very normal way of thinking in Utah. I was born and raised here, as an atheist, and I've known more people who think this way than I can count. Your taught by the church and society to praise business owners, since they took a risk and worked super hard to get where the are, and we should be greatful that they did so and that we even have a job.
@DavidHeffron78
@DavidHeffron78 2 ай бұрын
Libertarians are self sufficient. They eat their own arguments.
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