Ahhh, another Libertarian caller to the Sam Seder show. Like a lamb to the slaughter. I'm going to enjoy this.

"I want to live in a fair world without government!" *Describes Mad Max*

This last point should have been the entire conversation. So, I take your iPhone, and I say that I won't appear in court. Make me. "Well, I'd have to make you, by force if necessary." What if I'm bigger than you? What if my private security force is bigger than your private security force? For that matter, how are you going to prove that I took your phone if my private security won't let yours onto my property? Also, what if the jury is sympathetic to me because of the charity or services I provide to the town? Also, even if you can hire your lawyer for free against my high-priced lawyer, and somehow beat me in a he-said, he-said battle, who is going to pay the judge for her time in deciding this matter? Are you going to hire this judge for the day, and if so, isn't it going to cost almost as much as the compensation owed to you for the theft of your phone? Who is going to compel the jury to show up? Do you think that people will care enough about the theft of a stranger's phone that they'll give up work for the day to voluntarily show up at trial? Also, since my private security force is always going to be bigger than yours, why can't I just keep robbing you every week? For that matter, why can't your own private security force rob you? Why can't I just offer them more money NOT to protect you? And if I am somehow convicted, are the prisons public or private? If public, who pays for them? If private, how do they make a profit, or do they have to extort the town to pay them more money or else they'll let the criminals walk free? And wouldn't the biggest private entities, who wanted to rob people, choose not to fund the prisons (because they don't want the threat of jail time), so the jails would only be funded by the bottom rungs of society, who in many cases could least afford it? Also, what if a bunch of companies like mine go around stealing a bunch of things from people? Are lawyers supposed to work pro bono for case after case, thus giving away most of the fruits of their labor for free? What if a rash of thefts of phones that no one can trace causes the value of that brand of phone (as an overall product) to go down (since people see them as a risk to own, since they are so commonly stolen), causing a hardship for the phone company maker? Who do they sue? What if, instead of your phone, I steal your insulin so you are too sick to sue? All of this is madness.

The caller makes a point, Seder answers and then the caller contradicts himself. Brilliant lol.

Ha ha, best part of this is when the caller advocates for the poor person to take the thief to court by force. Not only is he going to have to take down the rich guys private forces, h'es going to have to capture this guy alive and drag him to court to sue him for his iphone back. So apparently if you are poor, you need to be Liam Neeson to get justice in his ideal world.

Sam really rattles these libertarians !! Most of the time with just simple logic. I seriously don't think these people ever think anything through !

When “Oh yeah? You and whose army?” actually wins an argument.

Pro Bono lawyers: because libertarians believe that you own the fruits of your labors, except if you're a lawyer where you should work for free because reasons!

his answer to protecting property rights for those who can't pay is "fuck em". Always has been, always will be. They won't ever quite have the balls to say that, because it's incredibly evil, insane, detached, & Sociopathic. All you need do, let them speak often. It's comedy gold! "I believe in non-agression", then it's "through the use of force"

Nail on the head - I've said a number of times listening and reading many libertarian arguments, it's neo-feudalism of merchant nobility where only the wealthy will have power to set the rules as they see fit and when there are disagreements there'll be small private wars between their hired armies. The best was the Libertarain commune idea in Honduras where they planned to hire Honduran labor to do the menial tasks then be ferried away at the end of the day while the inhabitants lived in their little no-government paradise.

Sam: "You're not answering my question." Idiot caller: "I'm answering your question!" *completely changes the subject*

A private militia replacing government? words cannot express how much of a bad idea that would be....

How can you sue someone when there isn't a government to provide a court? LMAO!

A Libertarian world is the perfect environment for predators...specifically Corporations... Humans in our current stage of evolutionary development cannot live in a Libertarian world. Some day maybe. Like in 5 billion years. If we are still here and haven't devolved.

I miss segments like this one. Bring back the libertarian callers they always give me a good laugh xD

I love how they say something like "I can hire a private security guard to protect me" and then when you take that to the logical conclusion the libertarian gets upset. The truth is, if rich people pay the police they own the police.

This guy obviously dropped out of high schoo...he has the logic of a 12 year old.

I never get tired of re-watching these videos.

Another angry young man with a been there done that smugness. I'm sensing a trend here... Anyway I like his style bring back feudalism, hiring knights and banner men to protect your property. It will be like Game of Thrones! Minus all the boobs and dragons, actually this sounds horrible....

Johns Hopkins University is looking for the contact information of this caller. They need a new head of pediatric neurosurgery.

This is an example of a person who has embraced an ideology that he does not understand. He has heard people say things that he repeats, but he does not know what those things mean. Pure Libertarianism is unviable, but this guy doesn't know it.

This guy is great. Is there a video of the full conversation?

I think the so called "libertarian" should read up on European history for his system did we try out between 12-16th century. Also he need to read up on what happen with private militias when their employer cant afford to pay them any more, so called "free companies" was a plague also what stop a person with a private army use them as muscles for extortion. It happened here in Sweden where the local merchant guilds took out extreme taxes from farmers and when farmers rebelled they simply use more rent a soldiers and killed every farmer and gave their land to farmers that agree to farm the land and pay taxes/extortion fees. also they used the private militias to round up ppl to do labour for free for the big powerful landowners.

That poor caller set himself up with the court and phone call, sam also coulda said whos going to be the judge and jury, without a police force to gather evidence its he said she say and that will do F.A. in a real courtroom.

sometimes I feel bad for these "libertarian" callers... then I realize they suffered reading ayn rand and its not entirely their fault for leaving some braincells behind. Most of us grow out of this narcassistic (and quite frankly sociopathic) "view" when we graduate high school.

Hahaha! I can't believe I'm discovering these now. A little late to the party. These libertarian clips are as addictive as a quality hand-rolled cigarette.

"First of all... I think" Objection.

Sam you are a verbal genius. Your comment at 3:35 is so well said, you really put things into perspective for this caller. Thumbs up, keep doing what your doing.

*criminal commits a crime* Judge: You’re sentenced to 5 years Criminal: No

The confidence they have in their points is the funniest part of libertarians. wow

PolakFury & other Libertarian crazies will chime in any minute now. Let's see what asinine comment he's going to make.

Guy who can't win an argument using his own hypothetical thinks he can hang in a neo feudal might makes right society, never gets old

Half way through, when pressed about protecting property rights, the caller reminds me of the advanced terminator that kept shift shaping

Haha oh man more of this guy please

It doesn't seem like he really thought this one through.....or at all, before he called sam.

something to note. whenever a libertarian starts getting his ads kicked, their phone always (always) starts developing a problem.

He argues he wants to live in a society with no coercion then says hes going to use coercion to protect his rights. lol

I have talked to so many like this though. I asked the same thing well what are you going to do when someone comes on your property with their hired army? What are you going to do when someone dumps chemicals into your drinking water? "Well to both you just take them to court." What court? You said there was no govt. Who is making the laws for this court to rule on? How do these judges get appointed?

It seems like libertarians don't want to live in a country; they just want everyone to play by the same rules inherently without a watchdog; however, everyone has their own ideas about how societies should work. There needs to be a single governing body made up of the people (representatives for large societies) to create the regulations, make sure regulations are followed, and pass judgement on those that have been accused of breaking the those regulations. Libertarians want to live in Candy Land where the rules are simple and everyone plays by the rules. Wouldn't it be wonderful, running around in the forest in a whimsical manner, bartering with chickens and kicking people out of your fort that you don't like? But this is the real world. Humans are not robots with the same programming. Until robots take over and become our overlords, we need to have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Even a corrupt government where our politicians are bought by big, ugly corporations so that they can do things to get around the regulations that protect the citizens is better than no government at all.

Hahaha. pro bono lawyers. when pigs,fly. AND WHY SHOULD THEY GIVE ADVICE FOR FREE.

Rights are just an agreement among people.

I actually agree that we should have institutions designed to meet human needs instead of market needs, and have a volunteer work force to operate those institutions that gets VIP status in society.

The caller doesn't understand the proper role a government should play, but neither does Seder.

Mad Max Warlords!!

Ok, this guy is completely Cocoa Puffs, I won't debate you on this one.

I find it interesting that libertarian don't understand, I took your stuff make me go to court without threat of violence

LMAO!!!! Just epic!

If there was no government, who would issue currency in said Libertarian paradise?

Rights, are only rights with sufficient force to enforce and protect them. Rights, without anything backing them are suggestions.

As a libertarian I understand that if the goverment is abolished everyone will have there own private army and then the competition and will kick in

This system is called idiocracy. Pro bono lawyers lol..

If you have to hire people to protect you rights then they aren't rights, they are privileges.

I’ll take you to court. (Forgets courts are funded by the public purse)

Libertarian caller is for NAP until he uses Force to get Sam Into court. While sam has his private security (black water) to back him.

Is it the patriot phone that's causing the hearing difficulty that all the liberty defending callers seem to have?

"oh yeah just get a probono lawyer" To do what, write an empassioned letter on your behalf to ask the person to give your stuff back? There's no legal system in place, there's no objective force for the lawyer to appeal to in order to *make* someone give your shit back. In this brainlet system, he would only really be able to hire someone to steal it back or kill the guy, theres no system of justice, just doing shit and hoping someone else doesn't have bigger guns

Why is it that every single libertarian caller at some point in the debate will say they have a connection problem but no one else ever has an issue with the audio quality? Do they all have shitty cell phone plans or are they so hot headed that blood vesicles start popping in their inner ear when Sam dismantles their arguments?

Libertarianism is the perfect political and economic philosophy................... When you’re stranded alone on a desert island.

0:05 property rights are a natural right, not a privilege as governments like to say. We live under a government that heavily restricts our natural rights on a daily basis 0:24 The government has never defended the natural right to property because governments existence is literally an infringement in of itself to property rights. If the government regulates what I can do with my house within my property lines, so long I’m not interfering with my neighbors rights or violating anyone’s rights on my property, then my property rights are not being defended equally. They’re being selectively determined as to what is more worthy of being able to be owned, sold, freely managed, and used. 1:05 The individual will defend his property against aggressors, as will family’s, communities in a collective effort, militia defense, crowd funded private security, or even individually hired private security be it for himself and/or his community 1:24 No, all individual would equally have the right to defend their property against others, and would have the opportunities to form militias or voluntary collective security forces 1:40 Then maybe open carry and live in a society where there’s consequences for those who violate your rights. Those who break the understandings and rules of the community they agreed to reside in acknowledged there would be consequences for their actions, such as imprisonment in a private prison or exile 2:31 if you don’t have the means to hire anyone or have your own weapon, then you should assimilate into a society that provides voluntary mutual aid and defense 2:58 The market will regulate itself and adhere to standards to maintain high consumption and support from consumers. We live in a day and age where we have so much technology to spread information to the average consumer such as review systems, tutorials, video reviews, blogs, reporting of unethical behavior etc. We have more than enough available opportunities consumers already use to weed out the best products and for businesses to adapt to our needs and standards. That’s why regulations are unnecessary 3:10 See what libertarians believe is that the world is the reason why it is, is because of such coercive institutions and governments who always lead us into the issues where we always are, and your solution is always more government instead of how individuals can fix the issue through voluntary means that don’t violate natural rights. 3:25 That’s completely false that there would be no coercion whatsoever under libertarianism and we literally even admit that in libertarian philosophy literature. It’s almost like we always talk about it because there’s always going to be people who want to kill, steal, rape, exploit etc but our point of view is what the best way to deal with those things. See murder, theft, and unethical red markets are always going to exist no matter what system we live in, but our point of view is that coercion against an individual, under circumstances that is proper depending on the situation, justifies a natural response of lethal retaliation from the wronged person. And the thing is that this isn’t a thing that people have to learn, that the whole U.S. population needs to learn because it’s a natural occur since within human nature itself whether such a philosophy is understood in detail 3:29 no he can’t answer your question bc he’s stupid and doesn’t even represent libertarians well at all or know any libertarian arguments/core values 3:35 n a t u r a l l y f o r m e d v o l u n t a r y c o l l e c t i v e s e c u r i t y 4:08 no under a libertarian society you’d just pull out your concealed (or open) gun n shoot the Mf lmao 4:40 in the context of a court under a libertarian society, that can only be under a private community. But even under a private community where you break the law that you agreed not to violate upon entry, you allowed yourself to be physically relocated into a prison/jail or just physically removed from the community’s private security 5:33 tell it to the national militia and town mob that you’re willing to have your private military massacre innocent people defending a man from a coercive private military. Idk about you but any private military that has news come out that they wiped out a ton of innocent people because their customer aggressed in the first place would not look good for the PMC and run them outta business, possibly even put up for a bounty or just have militias overtake them (bc we allow that under libertarianism) 5:37 Feudalism literally requires coercion to prevent free markets and restricting the rights for the individual to pursue his own interests tf are you on 4:45 no he’s just a stupid libertarian who doesn’t know any of our core values or alternative proposals to problems 5:47 The majority of libertarians (I say majority bc this guy he’s talking to is obv one of the exceptions) literally acknowledge that it’s impossible to live in a coercive free society, that’s why we want to be as free as possible to deal with it the most efficiently to discourage it from happening, though it’s impossible to stop since it’s human nature 6:05 Yet it’s also government that corrupts justice the most and brings the most injustice amongst us despite having this mask on that it’s good just because of law enforcement and consequences. That’s literally just how the state works and sometimes it works in the individuals favor, a lot of the time, if not most of the time, it screws them over It’s unfortunate you had to debate brainless libertarian who has no idea what his philosophical core values are

Wait, if we do away with Government, who's running the courts? How would he take Sam to court, a government system, if there's no court to begin with because there is no government? Does he think Judge Judy works outside the government or something?

Whose court is this guy talking about? And how is this private security force taking someone into custody any different than the government doing so? I understand the distrust in light of government malfeasance, but that is a function of individuals who are corrupt, not government. Those corrupt individuals don't just disappear as a result of scrapping the government. It's a childish and stupid argument that ignores the actual problem.

Lala land. Ah bless.

There's something wrong with the comments thread here. It's completely filled with reasonable and logical people. this can't be KZfaq.

Thats the ticket, Have OMNI CORP take over for the police.

I love it - this guy HONESTLY thinks that libertarians want a world where poor people can buy phones! Silly goof, libertarians ONLY WANT RICH PEOPLE to be able to buy shiny stuff - like phones. Here's some chicken feed, peasant. NOW FEED MY CHICKENS!

Private militias? Like xii or blackwater?

Simple answers yourself and whoever cares for your well being.

Gov't protecting property rights is like some one so obese they can't leave their house becoming a personal trainer/nutritionist.

Justice isn’t a fruit, it doesn’t just grow on trees in nature to be found by whom wants it

Who pays them

Who protects your personal property now?

Watching Sam seeder take on libertarians is hilarious

This is what is looks like to be destroyed by logic.

[sigh] These people are so dim.

these ideologues never seem to think very deeply on their beliefs

Libertarians remind me of religious people, they can't break conviction no matter how obvious the debate becomes. We need governments that aren't controlled by corporations and rich people's interests. And there is no such thing as god.

If thats the only way we could actually collect taxes on militias.. Then maybe... Otherwise militias lose any context of having an arguement, they are the burdens on tax paying citizens and the border patrol agencies WE fund. What is more ironic, american militias, non- contributing members of our society, enforcing laws they dont follow, nor do they fund. Immigration, illegal immigrants does not require us to include illegal imigrants views on our laws, illegal immigrants pay just as much in taxes as militias, (sales tax), militias get federal funding, the bundy clan applied for millions in business loans. So who infact pays no taxes, and gets assistance and welfare? Militias...

Literally nobody in this conversation understands the libertarian perspective, not even the caller 😂

First of all - if everyone stops paying taxes and starts ordering services they need? one won't need any regulator to regulate that and the tax payed to government for whatever they think is best for you can be spent by you for the things you consider more important - pay to private companies. You don't have to be a rich person to order the militia service. Let's face this, everyone pays the communal service bills and insurance fees, same way you pay for protection of your rights. We come into the era of shared economy where services are gonna be shared as well as some goods. Free market (non-centrally-regulated) will provide you with even more options for every type of service you need. Government is not gonna play in your best interests. Someone steals your phone, what are you gonna do about it with governmental police? Ahhh? Call them and what next? They are gonna find that ass who stole it? Most likely not. How many times I heard police had more important felonies to solve. I guess this video explains in a better way how things might work without government kzfaq.info/get/bejne/btGArNWim7mpfGQ.html Yet, don't forget about technologies that may convert once utopian libertarian ideas into reality. Such technology as Blockchain brings you transparency and secure faultless ledger of information, AI - can be your trustworthy oracle to judge upon programmed situations and evidences provided and IoT (cameras and numerous other indicators working in the same network or adjacent ones) providing true live information as evidences. What is needed is to get out of the f... box and try to realize there is life without central government. Government can be truly decentralized.

warlords=poverty

poor people dont have iphones or property that is worth stealing thus they do not worry about hiring paramilitary groups. secondly i wouldnt hire a group to begin with i would protect it myself because im not a pussy.

Yep a Puerto Rican girl who lies on her resume....

even better yet lets charge an invasion tax to pay for our army of highly paid mercenaries !

One secret trick to melt a libertarian brain

blah blah high-school debating team blah blah freedumb blah blah :D

That man is an anarcho capitalist

Sam doesn't have a rigid ideology? That's bullshit right there.

Sam, what you need to remember is that government as the defender of property right is actually a rather new development on the planet. In days past the government/king existed to serve itself, and only began to serve the landed class starting with the Magna Carta in 1215. Government defending the landed class is actually a conservative virtue in this day and age, but your caller was so stuck on this new age outsourcing idea that his position became incongruent with conservative doctrine. The caller on this video was trying to spout the standard Libertarian/Republican mantra that it is an abomination to directly provide aide to the citizenry, but must instead route all government activities through 3rd parties in order to better foment graft and corruption. I can remember the day when to speak ill of our beloved government was cause for a bloodied nose, but alas the brainwashing is almost complete.

I've heard "libertarian" dolts make dumb arguments but this guy makes them all look like MENSA candidates!

It must be so hard to argue against such positions. Over here i have 1 person that i know of adopting the ridiculous points of of course libertarians and he works so hard to found a party but it simply sucks so hard nobody is willing to join his ludicrous party. I mean sorry somehow you will allways end up "useing" other ppl`s money. This talking point is so obviously made up i cannot belive how some educated person can hold this position.

I wonder why more Libertarians like myself aren't on this channel? Oh wait, most of them are trolling on the Young Turks, Sam I guess is just too insignificant to them. ;(

weasel

In regards to private security, we see the most successful companies across all industries offer services to the masses not just rich ppl. Toyota is much bigger than Ferrari, Walmart and Target are much larger than Neman-Marcus etc. Since middle class and poor ppl vastly outnumber rich ppl, there will be a huge market incentive to offer these ppl protection. If some one can't afford thats where charity comes in. This is already happening in Detroit with private security, one firm offers protection to two ppl for every rich client they have. Plus theres a profit motive, so they want to keep costs down, which means not locking up ppl when theres no victim, which is why most ppl are in U.S. prisons.

Answer Q 1:15 Myself Answer Q 1:32 In Anarcho-capitalism everybody is wealthy. In Anarchist ( social libeterian ) money doesn't exist. Answer Q 1:56 In any extreme authoritarian regime government still no one can protect individual property , unless the government confiscate 100% of private property and that is the robbery by the actual government. 3:04 My Q answer it MF : What if your government regulate your channel and ban you for brainwashing people and jail you in 5 years and confiscate your property, do you still worship your government? Answer 3:22 What is the reason that you want to benefit the society? Who you are that you want to do that ? What is your business that you think you are responsible for that action? Sounds like a dictator talking . 3:58 Answer Q In a libeterian society everybody can afford because no government no monopoly no extremely wealthy and everyone has enough money . The reason we have a big gap in between rich and poor is only because of the government monopoly. 4:20 we have robbery all day all over the world , there is no government can control the robbery . So fuck off with that question because how you want to protect your iPhone in your world ??? By the way in a concealed carry society no one has balls to steal Iphone from someone else. Sam you are full of shit.

The correct answer is you the individual utilizing the second amendment protects your property rights. Wow that was easy.

If your so utilitarian Sam, you should be against gov't considering 250 million ppl were killed by their own gov't in the 20th century, not counting wars, while only 9 million ppl were murdered by private individuals. I also like how you present scenarios in a free society in which justice may not be done and say see it can't work, but then admit shortly after that gov't isn't that effective at administering justice. By your own logic, we can't have a gov't either.