HB is the man!! Balanced leadership. Love him!!

I could not smash the like button any harder. H.B. Charles hits the nail on the head. From the top to the bottom, we in the church need to strive to seek out unity and compassion in an effort to show the world that we do believe in the redemption and reconciliation found in Christ!

Very good point, we are to be unified in love as a proof of Christ’s work

Wonderful interview....thank you.

I'll cut to the chase from a pastoral perspective, I have navigated both minority and majority church culture spaces with a significant time in secular leadership. Church race relations suck because both black and white pastors do not know how to love, submit, and serve one another. White pastors have a legacy of gatekeeping and nepotism at the top levels of churches. The leadership styles they inherited do not lend themselves to looking at black leaders as peers or leaders they would submit to (exceptions found in Pentecostal and charismatic churches). In response, black pastors have created their own spheres of influence thus widening the divide. The problem isn't the pew. The problem is the pulpit. Black and white pastors see themselves as competition or co-workers, not family. If you want to experiment to get an idea of what I'm talking about, ask your pastor "Do you have close relationships with people that don't look like you where you can be both accountable, vulnerable, and intimate?" Most pastors, like those in this video, have professional relationships with each other. Very few, submit to one another in love.