WONDERFUL! Thanks for the correction Marty. I will your comment so that way views can get the right info.

Wonderful! I hope it all works out.

Thank you Richard! 👊🙏

Thank you so much! I truly appreciate the support.

Hello. Thanks for the feedback! I think you will be happy with the motor.

Any problems with them? Building a new home now and thinking about using them

@@drich6816 Nope, they've been perfect so far.

Hello! Thanks for the great question. Yes you can get the adapter for the Genie 6070/6170. Here's a link for it: www.geniecompany.com/garagedooropeneraccessories/TorqueMaster%C2%AE-Adapter-Kit

Thank you!

Thanks for the sub!

Hello. Thank you for the feedback. Do you have a particular commercial model in mind?

@@sosgds I was referring to the commercial models in the video vs their retail counterparts. The 8500W and the genie 6170. I assume the retail side of the 8500W is the chamberlain RJO70 and I can’t seem to find the retail equivalent of the Genie 6170.

Hello! I'm glad the video helped. I think you will find the Genie new battery backup setup much easier. Unlike the LiftMaster/Chamberlain these motors do not require the battery backup to give you the 24V power output. Now, I have yet to confirm with Genie but the model 6172 is the retail version and if I am not mistaken that model only offers an 18V power output. Again, Genie has to confirm that but they did make a distinction with their proline wall mount garage door vs their retail motor. Hope this helps!

Hello! Thank you for the feedback. I hope all goes well with your install. I think you will enjoy using the Genie 6170HB. Please let me know how it all turns out.

I got impatient and installed the 6170. The answer is yes; it can be triggered with a relay. There are also inputs for open, close, and stop relays but there doesn't seem to be any springs to hold wires in the sockets and the instructions don't mention it at all so not sure what that's about.

Sad to say but it happens too often.

Hello! Thank you for the feedback. And to answer your question yes it should work on a 12x10 tall door, insulated. It's rated to lift an 800 lb door, but it will only lift up to 180 square feet of door space. Thus if you had an 18 wide door by 10 tall that would be the maximum. Or a 16 wide by 14 tall that would be the maximum. Hopefully I didn't confuse you but you should be okay with the specifications on your door.

@@sosgds this was the info I was looking for. I have a 16 wide by 14 tall door . Thank you

Hello! That's an excellent question. I want to say that Genie did or does have a feature to set the door just high enough for pets. Unfortunately I can't get my local rep to confirm it for me. But it does sound like a great feature these garage door motor manufacturers should incorporate.

Hello. No I don't at the moment but the retail motors are virtually the same to the pro line.

Hello! Thank you for the great question. Yes you are correct, the model is 6172H-B. And although Genie has tried to publish differences on their website between the 6170 and 6172 they are virtually the same. In retail box I believe you get 2 remotes and a wireless keypad. And the videos on how to install are fairly reliable. Thank you for the support. Y'all stay safe.

Hello. Great question. For speed I would say they are both on par. They don't vary too much.

Unfortunately it will require the torsion tube to be moved out about 3 inches.

Sounds like you are saying the lift master is better

The Liftmaster has a better smart control system, but the build and quality of the Genie is much better then the LiftMaster. I said that the ONLY thing I like about the liftmaster is the smart features

Thank you for the feedback. I have yet to test Samsung SmartThings personally, but the integration offers a wealth of devices and services. It's very similar to the Google Home app. Yet, I feel Samsung's advantage is creating a strong ecosystem within just one app. I don't think you will be disappointed.

Thats the main reason Im considering the Genie because for the Smartthings integration.

Thank you Cesar!

Hello Kevin! Yes you could absolutely do that but it does open up a number of possible challenges for future repairs. But if your springs are new on both doors and you have proper balance to both doors you should be good to go. I wish you best! Send pictures of your project if possible. sosgdoservice@gmail.com

Hello. Great question. Yes, when installing these motors the springs are not removed.

Thanks for the sub!

I am working on a video about the Chamberlain RJO70. Do you have a specific question?

I decided to go with Genie and your review along with overall features to complement my new garage. I’ll take any suggestions such as higher track mounting to raise door ad high as possible to afford a 4post lift at 10’ ceiling height. Planning for electric in tge corner for the lift. It’s going to be 16’insulated door on a detached garage in the city of Chicago. Nuff said? Thanks

Hello! Yes you do. You have the option of putting a series 2 wall button that is wired. It works exactly as a standard wall button.

Thank you for the great question. The Genie 6170 is still fairly new. But I can say with the confidence that the Genie is slightly quieter. Now, one variable that needs to be taken into consideration is the balance of the garage door. If the balance is off (heavy or too lite) then that can affect the motor usage which can add wear and tear causing it to become noisier. I hope this helps.

Hello! Both motors would work for your needs. Each could lift a 16 x 12 insulated door. Now the balance of the door will all depend on the springs and how straight the door tube is set.

Hello! Great question! I'm waiting to get my hands on this model. But I can assure you that I will be providing a full review.

Hello. Great question! Both motos will require about 10" on each side. But in my experience you can get away with about 9". Hope this helps.

Sure. Thanks for the suggestion.

Hello. Great question. I'm still a little hesitant giving my stamp of approval on the 98022. If you can find the 8500W, that would be the way to go. Or consider the Genie 6170 or Guardian 928 motor. What type of garage doors will these motors be operating?

Hello Chris! You need roughly about 10". I have gotten away with about 9" but it's cutting it close. Now the motor width is roughly 8 inches in width yet keep in mind there is a couple that must go between the motor and torsion tube. Hope this helps!

Thanks

Hello. Great question. From what I understand, Genie didn't do much to make these motors look different. They are virtually identical on the outside. But their internals are bit different. The logic board to the 6172 is different (not exactly sure what components are different). And the motor is 18 volt vs the 24 volt to the 6170.

@@sosgds I just purchased 6172HB from home Depot online. Their specs list a 24V battery. I wonder how long will it last. Why can't they run on Main's power? Is they run on battery power then I have one observation and one comment. 1. If they run on battery then the electrical cable length and/or the extension wire use should not matter. These must be only charging the battery. 2. Running on battery also means when battery fails after a year, I need to buy another battery, and repeat my purchase every year. 24V means that I cannot go to Walmart store and get a long life less price battery and connect it.

Hello Tommy! Fantastic feedback! Thanks for sharing all of these great points.

Hello. These are great points that you mention. Yes, potentially someone could get hurt if the balance to the garage door was too great and it comes racing down. I would start by making sure the balance is done properly. Once you have the balance down, then you can reconfigure the travel settings and hopefully that will do the trick.

Hello! No, unlike the LiftMaster motor it's not dependant on the battery backup. The Genie motor will only beep when the battery needs replacing. Thus if you didn't use or replace the battery the 6170HB would still produce and 24 volt output.

@@sosgds Thank you for the prompt reply, but I guess i don’t fully understand your last sentence... “Thus if you didn't use or replace the battery the 6170HB would still produce and 24 volt output.” Beep or no beep if battery not installed in Genie? Genie support says will beep, but they didn’t seem knowledgeable.

@@travel3568 To my knowledge there is no beep. It only would beep if the battery need to be replaced.

Hello Jason. No, that's not entirely true. The LiftMaster 8500W will work on a 3.5" low head track. It's not designed to work on a 0" low head track assembly. As for the Genie I have yet to see if it works on Zero low head but it will also work on a 3.5" track assembly.

Hello. Yes you can. But for the LiftMaster I would use the 877MAX keypad. And for the Genie motor the GUK-BX. Hope this helps.

@@sosgds thank you

Amen to that. The problem with genie where do I start Genie used to have name brand recognition when you thought of a genie you thought of a garage door opener I mean it was like Google how much better can you have it then that.. that said genie was bought and sold and then bought and sold and then bought and sold again all through the 90s and each time a new company or new ownership came in there they did something to save a nickel and Genie went from having absolute Total name brand recognition to being crap and being the worst garage door openers out there I wouldn't put them in if you paid me. I used to have on my truck I had a full box just of genie parts cuz all we installed were the genie screwdrives the 8600 the 7600 and a stealth once in a while. That was all we put in I had a whole box full of circuit boards receivers carriages, reluctors capacitors two different sizes, that little coupler to attach the head unit to the rail you name the genie part I had them in there cuz they all went bad. Being the installer I had to warranty all of it. I got sick of working for free and working for genie so I switched to LiftMaster. I've had no problem since I mean I can tell you like I got a handful of problems over the years with any of the LiftMaster products they just work if you put them in right they work. Now I've got a free box empty of all those Genie partts. Don't get me wrong I still carry some for the occasional customer who has a genie already in there before I get there. .. that said Genie has left a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Genie. I've installed an opener here and there through the years since I made the switch to LiftMaster and I have not been impressed at all they are garbage they're always playing catch up with LiftMaster and now they're just they're not going to get my vote not at this point in time. I don't see that changing. LiftMaster would have to mess up something big they have to go downhill fast for me to ever make the switch back to Genie.. that's just my two cents.

Hello! Great question. Yes I am working on an update video comparing these two motors. Yet my money is still on the Genie product. The 6170 is a well thought out machine that can handle a variety of garage doors. I hope to have that video out soon.

@@sosgds I'm looking at the 6172.. what's the difference

Hello. Are you asking about hard wiring the wall button?

@@sosgds correct. Im wondering if they still have the terminals to use traditional button (dry contact, or Security 2.0+?) controls

Hello. Do you know if your track radius is 12" or higher?

Hello. Excellent question. I believe both the 8500W and Genie 6170HB work best on a 12" and 15" track radius. I also know that both of the motors will also work on a 3.5" track radius. Unfortunately, they do not work on Zero track radius. This type of track has no radius and thus does not have the necessary leverage to close the door. Hope this helps.

@@sosgds would the spring stops help to keep the cables tigh on start up?

Hello. Are you talking about a section to your garage door?

@@sosgds Yes, I have a bending on top section and a crack on second. I would like to replace second with an insulated one and a window type on the top first one. Everything else in assembly stays the same.

@@Garga0 Oh wow. That sounds rough. I don't think a two new sections will do the trick. With the current garage door parts shortage you might be better off with a new garage door. Thus I highly suggest that you reach out to a garage door contractor to assess your situation. Hope this helps.

Hello. The weight is is up to 850 lbs.

😂😂😂 ... Hello again. Well you will need the original wall button in order to change that feature in the motors programming. It's not very difficult. Once you disable that feature then you can remove the wall button. But I believe it's more beneficial to have the original wall button installed near the motor.

@@sosgdsYes , another person mentioned that so that way I could keep it but not have to worry about the wires all over the place , thank you.

Hello! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. That point about the "humming transformer" is not just a wall mount issue but it's something I have seen, actually heard on a number of Genie motors. I believe that hum from the transformer is a setting to how Genie regulates the variable speed to their DC motors. Most homeowners are not bothered by it. Yet I do hope they can fine tune it so that it's not as prevalent. Now on my end the app experience is getting better. I do feel MyQ from LM has more robust services. But Genie is not too far behind. As I have gone on record saying, as a dealer installer the Genie motor is my preferred wall mount motor. Yet the 8500W has dominated the wall space for some time now. And now that the updated 8500W will not require a cable tension monitor ... Well I might need to do an update video soon.

@@sosgds please do, I’ve been researching a lot here lately (past couple months) and have yet pulled the trigger. The information I found shows different from your video however, I valued your opinion. To me it’s hard to do comparison videos that are older than a year since the company could have worked the past issues/concerns out. Thanks again for your effort and time with these videos!!

Hello. The should be in the show description.

That is an excellent question. Software updates are rarely done via wireless on garage door motor systems. Because the "software" or "technology" is baked into the logic board of the motor. Now that being said, if the motor were to have a "bug" or "defect" in the Safe-T-Pulse cable slack detection, then Genie would possible send a new logic board with the updated software installed. This might be done thru their warranty or they would sell you the new board. In the year that this motor has been out I have not had an issue with this feature to their motor. But it's still an excellent question! Thank you for the feedback.

Thank you!

Hello genie company, If you are the real genie company, I have comments to make. I have genie excellerator garage door opener for 20 years. I am very happy. None of my neighbors have it and hence I can compare the few important advantages I had over them. 1 fast open: rushing to work or anywhere, the twice opening speed is just right. I never had to wait in pressure even though the wait may have been 5-8 secs. 2. Intellicode: all the neighbors have seen their garage doors often open for no reason, hence worried. Mine never opened without my wish. There are more things I noticed in my favor but I will not describe here due to text length. 3. The life is better. Neighbors had to replace theirs' multiple times during this 20 years time frame. I don't have to replace even now, but I am, to make more space in middle top and hence more light illumination with less bulbs. (I have to use three bulbs in all directions to overcome the shadow of the current install.)

@@Garga0 Hi - Yes we are the real Genie Company, thank you for the the feedback, much appreciated.

@@GenieCompany Hello, I finally changed my garage door opener from genie excelerator to genie wall mount 6172HB. 1. What do I do to my old opener and parts? Can someone use it? 2. Can I become a seller and installer of your genie wall mount opener? How?

Hello. Yes it can be an excellent solution. If you are able to get more headroom, then this would be a great solution.

The Chamberlain RJO70 is a good machine. But still prefer the Genie 6170 pro line motor.

The 8500W does have a sleek design with a two tone look. I don't think you will be disappointed with the aesthetics.

Hello. I'm so sorry to hear that. I have a feel the gear inside has broken. How old is your motor? Are you the original owner? Did you register your warranty?

@@sosgds, New house with new motors September 2020. It was a contractor of my home builder that installed them. Should I tear into the unit or is there some warranty on them? The center bearing on the shaft squeaks too, like the shaft is bent from spring tension. I fear poopy install, but am ignorant to garage door opener setups

@@Robodriller So being you are the original owner see what the builder could do for you. I'm afraid if you open the motor housing they might deny you for tampering with the device. If the builder won't help, see if Genie customer service can recommend a local dealer to come out for a small fee.

That's a great point! Genie customer service for homeowners is brutal. Well they have long wait times. But the tech line is much quicker. I think I will include this in an updated video I'm working on.

Hello. Are asking if there is an automatic door lock for the any other brands? The automatic door lock to the 8500/8500W are also compatible with the 8550 and 85503 from LiftMaster. Not sure if that answers your question.

Oh wow. Yes! I have a video about this very subject. They updated that shaft and the gear to it. Has Genie offered you a solution?

@@sosgds the route I took with the other 2 doors was to have the customer get new ones under the warranty and I replaced them. Ill likely be doing the same for the 3rd one. I just hope it isn’t something I run into every few years

Hello. Yes that's what I do. But of course not all dealers approach their pricing the same way. For example they might just offer the bare bones that comes what's inside the box and then add cost with additional remotes, keypads, etc. Or they might offer only the manufacture warranty and try to upsell you with an extended warranty. And because these motors are high end and high dollar, those extended warranties make sense sometimes. In addition, the industry is currently dealing with the inflation costs, thus the gap is much less when it comes to pricing of these two motors. At any rate I do advise to do your shopping. There is also retail versions of these motors. Thus if you're handy you might be able to tackle this job on your own. The links in this video should direct you to those options.

It's not less work that cable tensioner on the 8500 a lot of times there's no place to install there's no wood to install it to your header being given up a few inches below so as a pain in the butt those little things 1 to be installed. It's different but not less

Hello John. They actually do have a wireless wall console like the 885LM. It's the GUWWC-P.

@@sosgds Thanks for that info on that Genie switch

Which is the Lexus?

@@marcocendejas5144 Of course LiftMaster. Genie openers are all GARBAGE!!!

I've installed many Liftmasters and Genie sidemount openers. I prefer the Genies. I've had zero problems with the Genies and have had Liftmasters not work right out of the box.

That's a very good question. Both of these garage door opener motors approach their automatic door locks very differently. In the case of the LiftMaster motor I can tell you that the automatic door lock does tend to fail quite often. So between the two I feel that the genie would do a lot better job.

@@sosgds explain further please.

The excessive jabbering got old for me. Seemed to be intentionally stretched to maximize ads.

@@waynerhoades8187 Yes, I figured that too and I get it...its all about the money.

Hello. I have yet to test their decibel levels but to my ear the Genie is a bit quieter.

@@sosgds thanks for the info. Our garage door is right under the master bedroom so even a quiet overhead pull type opener sounds like a drag car starting in the garage from the bedroom. Original I like the more robust deadbolt of the liftmaster, I’m a little bias toward liftmaster, that and my father just put one in his garage, but ultimately I just want the quieter unit. I do think I like the external tension sensors, because if one goes bad you can just replace that part, if you have a software issue or motor sensor on the genie go bad, you have to replace the entire unit.

I think that's very wise reasoning. I do hope it all works out for you.

Hello. Great question ... I do have two motors. And neither of them are wall mount motors. I have a Chamberlain belt motor and the Genie 3120L motor belt motor. They both work great for my needs. But If I had the option I would have the 6170 installed.

Hey Erik! Thanks for reaching out! Hope you like the channel.

Hello Ryan. I believe contractors could do more to earn the trust of homeowners. As for these motors, they do offer retail DIY equivalents. Yet, in the case of Chamberlain they do not offer an illuminated wall console.

I would have to admit that in the beginning MyQ was pretty buggy. But they have really made strides with their iterations and updates. In fact I prefer it over the genie Aladdin connect app. And there's no longer a subscription or a cost to use the app for normal use. If you wanted the added extra benefits of monitoring or additional security features then yes, there would be a cost.

Hello. I what you mean. I think we all have a story living thru the Genie 1024, 2024, etc days. But their new motors have come a long ways. And don't know if it's the area where I live or allocated supply but Genie does well out here.

@@sosgdsyou May I ask but you're inland empire SoCal right ? If so we're neighbors. I work Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Hollywood Hills or you could just say I work West LA. I live Ventura county though and I couldnt afford West LA if you tripled my salary. But I don't mind making the drive everyday I'm used to have been doing it for 30 years now. Maybe we'll bump into each other at a convention or something. In the meantime I'll keep enjoying your videos and I'll keep commenting on them if you don't mind. I think you're doing a good thing as long as you don't give away too many of our secrets. Stay healthy....

@@TommyBaldwin652 Hello Tommy! Yes sir! I'm basically in Chino Valley area. I used to work LA, OC, even Ventura county back in the day. I was much younger, hungry, and willing to drive. I would travel as far north as Fresno, far east as Blythe, and my favorite travel was San Diego. But again, I was much younger. Now I stay local, in fact in much busier staying my area. I appreciate the support on the channel. I know some guys have other channels that offer more trade secrets. So the protips I area to help the average person get the job done. Stay safe out there party person!

@@sosgds guys like that have no conscience because some homeowners going to get hurt winding a pair of 262s with screwdrivers or he's going to get hit with a cable they pops off the bottom of his door when they shouldn't be touching it at all.. I'll find these guys and put them in their place. .You're a brave guy driving from Fresno to San Diego that's a big area that's a very big area you won't catch me going past downtown.. I'd love to work local but I've been working down in the city for so long. Plus it's much cooler much much cooler in the summer. I was doing a job In Altadena one day it was 115 I drove to Santa Monica for the next call it was 65 we're talking like 20-30 miles as a crow flies and a 50 degree difference. No joke. I'm used to the traffic and I don't mind it. Good for you I'm glad to hear you're busy staying local close to home I envy that.

I believe both configurations are fine. I do appreciate that Genie redesigned the way they install the battery backup. But I also do prefer the LiftMaster configuration too.

Hello. Slowly but surely the Chamberlain openers will offer a paid subscription.

@@sosgds Well that is a good reasons I would not go with Chamberlain. I'm not paying a monthly subscription just to use my garage door from my car as I pull up as an example. That is what I thought Chamberlain was requiring.

@@Scott-sm9nm Indeed. I believe that's where the industry is going to differentiate the pro line openers to the retail openers.

Hello. LiftMaster is hit a miss sometimes. I have found them to be sticklers about the door balance affecting travel module. Other days I can get a really nice customer service rep and they will go the extra mile.

Yes that is correct. HomeKit is an Apple based system and they have a strong control over who they work with.

Hello! Thank you for your feedback. What type of track assembly do you prefer to install a wall mount opener? Are you a commercial installer, residential installer, or both? What area do you service?

High lift or full vertical. I did 18 years of commercial industrial. I like the Wayne Dalton hat you have.

Thank you! 18 years is a great run! Are you no longer in the business? What area did you service? BTW, we have a merchandise store where we sell Torsion Trucker Caps. You can check out our website on our about page.

Thank you for the feedback. I will strive to make better, less repetitive content.

@@sosgds some times repetition is good, this helps to sink the idea into the brain, it gives assurance that what I am listening is correct.

Thanks for the feedback. I tried to be unbiased. But as a dealer installer I had to be HONEST about the experience between these two motors. I love the 8500W but it does have it share of flaws. Not that the 6170 doesn't ... but the 6170 motor is much easier to approach and in some cases repair than the 8500W.

If he seems to be biased to you, I like this bias (ness). I wanted to install genie but was worried if I am losing something by not installing the lift master. By looking at this video, he actually cleared my mind. It seems that this video is made only for me (and like me. Not for others)