Haven't been keeping up, but time to start now! 'anyones' race at this point.

not really back and forth. The only reason Limit got WF fatescribe is because of the headstart. They needed 5 times the pull cound with almost the same gear.

@@jon4sh710 Limit gets a head start, and Echo gets to see limit's attempts before trying their own, which is why their pull count is lower. I would prefer they start at the same time, but let's stop pretending their isn't also advantages on the echo side.

@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 The headstart is a much bigger advantage. Skillwise they are similar and strat wise they are similar. Sure it's helpful to be able to see limit's pulls, but echo has great raid lead and strats too.

@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 Echo figured out the strat for KT. The advantage echo has is same for Limit.

4 days is a long tier to just now be getting on the 2nd to last boss. Kelthuzad and Sylvanus may take a whole week if it takes more it’ll mark one of the longest tiers in modern WoW.

@@Reelyreed I haven't had wow for long so I'm not sure how long a worlds first typically takes. What I meant was they caught up to echo pretty fast considering they were like 12 hours behind them.

@@xrayfalconx2528 Yup the creating strats on the fly generally takes the most amount of time, so hour difference generally doesn't play a big role in the race before the final boss. It can be very meaningful as we come around to the reset on Tuesday and Wednesday if Sylvanus doesn't die before. A full reset Tuesday means Limit gets a fresh set of Mythic drops while Echo waits 12 hours until their reset.

More a complaint aimed at Blizzard, and honestly undeserved. Basically it's possible to do the runes solo _every time._ what people ignore is that it's a group effort to do so. Basically you have to be 100% sure to get to the rune within 2 seconds and get it moving. If you do, you will always have enough time to complete. Due to the mechs of the fight, though, this requires everyone to have good speed and well placed portals, etc. By having all the runes done solo, the Mythic mechanic of the deadly laser from the rune to the centre of the circle is far less problematic, because the lines never cross. So some people whined.

taking 50 pulls on that boss when echo needs 11. well done limit.

@@jon4sh710 Nice bait

@@jon4sh710 hahahaha nice bait 👌

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does limit start 16 hours before echo or what? and then they call it world first ??? lol

@@alexanderali5621 Yea honestly I dont understand why can't they just globally release the content to all regions so everyone gets a level playing field. Content on EU is released 16 hours after NA and content on the Korean server 2 days after NA. The audacity to call this a race.

@@arvind8640 but omg that mean nothing in fact By past Method Prooved it You all trash with your old debat even Echo players say that it mean nothing

@@Farnyrdesuka What? How does it mean nothing when NA has a 16 hour advantage over EU? Are you saying that thats the only way to keep it even? is to handicap EU to slow them down? What am I even reading right now? Dont give me that garbage about what Echo said. Even Max said it would be fair if everyone started at the same time.

I mean, although I understand your point, simply copying tactics and all that bs you mentioned won't cut it. Echo was around 10 hours ahead of Limit for the 6th and 7th bosses. So for your theory, if they are copying tactics, then limit would've already killed painsmith and guardian way before Echo. We know they didn't, and I'm thinking Echo has another plan now that we also see from Limit that Ktz is actually hitting like a truck, so Echo doing heroic splits kinda make sense. But what you said, by no means explains anything about this race. They might copy each other, but Echo has way better warmup time on the boss fights, so they down the bosses way faster than Limit. In the end, it all comes to the last two bosses and Sylvanas as majority, so we'll see what happens. But please think twice before accusing someone of something you have no proof of, just your assumptions.

I would rather be 16 hours ahead if i could choose one.

theres regional rankings and world rankings, complaining about the time difference just continues the cycle of toxic banter.

@@fckihate69jokes yeah... but when they use words like 'race' and 'world first' the controversy will continue to rise. They are both doing amazing job and this is nobody' fault. It's just the way its setup and nobody can control time difference. It is just not completely fair race because the way the earth is.

@@fckihate69jokes even max, the raid lead of limit once said, he wished every region could all start at the same time, because then it would be a real world first race

and EU copies NA strats. You are 200 IQ

@@SpinusTV Always the same argument from you guys. Echo doesnt need to copy strats just like limit doesnt either, they are the two best guilds in the world, they know what to do already. They were 7/10 when Limit was 5/10, did they copy strats then to? That argument is so weak.

@@Prixmlol you are clearly dont watching RWF, or you have any raid experience

@@SpinusTV I mean, your argument is that its better to start 16 hours after because EU will have strats. 200 IQ. Also Echo is 9/10 while Limit is 8/10, guess they copied that strat too right.

No need to be toxic. Go do something better with your life

@@Abdul-yc7vt who's being toxic? I'm stating a fact, he's just a big wigs