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Agree with how Danielle has been moving lately, it’s gross & disappointing…but on Gabby… I think she seems like a nice enough person, but her entire personality this season seems to revolve around boosting Lindsey’s ego & agreeing with absolutely everything she says, no matter how clearly wrong what she’s saying or doing is, and how much it affects her other friends. She’d be foolish to not understand that she’s just Danielle’s replacement, and that the moment she really challenges her behavior, she’s going to get turned on just the same. Her attachment to Lindsey this season is a real turn off to the rest of her personality, and makes her seem like she doesn’t have a mind of her own.

Not worried enough to call off the wedding

She can’t. She literally cannot help herself but for some reason she thinks she can give advice. She annoys me so much!

​@@Tierraje100% agree

She already pretty much did help herself first by going with 🎈 guy 😂

Gabby has standards. Danielle got naked on camera and slept with some creep. 🤮

Right! Full stop did you just admit to everyone that you are comparing notes with her ex?! I know feel like Lindsay should be listening to The Tortured Poets Department

Generally, I’d agree. But when you’re in a relationship with someone who is CONSTANTLY gaslighting you about very real problematic behavior she’s been exhibiting in the relationship, and you’re starting to question everything, sometimes the only way people can confirm to themselves that they aren’t crazy, and this is an established pattern of behavior, is to ask about that with a previous partner. If Lindsey’s behavior towards Carl wasn’t so gross on a regular basis, he wouldn’t have felt compelled to ask questions. If it helped save him from making a commitment to a doomed relationship, that’s not a bad thing. Also, a number of her ex’s that we know about have been good friends with Carl for years, so, it’s not like he went out of his way to track somebody down, he was merely venting to friends who had similar experiences with her.

He's so pathetic. He wants to place the blame on anyone but himself

That would have actually require Carl to have exes oh wait right that man hasn't been in any sort of serious relationship since we've known him.

Okay?! Cause that Wirkus twin would drag him to HELL 😂😂

I feel the same way. I’m to the point where I’m hoping this is Danielle’s last season.

I totally agree I said that a year ago! A total disaster!

Totally agree! I think she's aged out. And should take personal time away from TV to focus on herself.

Everything about Danielle is so fake. Dislike her intensely. 👎👎👎

She needs some healing after that breakup...that was very obvious. A break would do her some good.

I'll never understand how she lasted this long!

Now I get why her and lindsey were best friends

@@Birdrobin15thisss. Used to love Danielle, but after winter house, and now all this…she has clearly been struggling since her breakup, and rather than addressing her own struggles & personal issues, she’s been hyper-focused on the over-analyzing *everyone else’s* relationships and how they’re moving through the world, and her take on everything is clearly tainted, she’s wildly projecting, and just needs to sit with herself and figure out what she wants from her own life & relationships. And, yes, I can definitely see now how she & Lindsey actually fed off of each other throughout their friendship, it was a mutually beneficial relationship in a lot of ways, it was safe because they were both “YES women” for each other, but it was an equally mutually destructive relationship, for themselves, and everyone around them.

As a Founder/CEO = Selfish and Thirsty

She thinks she's hotter than she is ... and is now basically finding her self-esteem in sleeping around ... Desperate Danielle.

Facts. Danielle tried it, and it failed big time.

@@blueraven596 I get what you are trying to say but you don’t have to be married or in a relationship to give someone advice. A lot of people are married and are still very much individuals outside of their marriage. I think the girls were just trying to point out that Amanda’s whole life doesn’t need to be centred around Kyle and what he has going on. Also what you are saying feels a little like projections because all 3 of the girls have stated they have a close enough relationship that they can give each other tough love and know it’s not coming from a place of judgement. Amanda herself said she wasn’t upset by the conversations and understood where they were coming from.

This shows she isn't ready for children.

@@carter7937 no one is ready for children until you have children.

Also, SHE doesn’t have a real job, either. They both have the exact same job. 😂😳 She’s completely delusional. The only difference is that Carl was actually being responsible, and wanted to postpone the wedding to address all of the concerns in their relationship, including the constant fighting & communication issues, as well as giving more time for BOTH of them to secure more financial stability & security, and Lindsey didn’t actually GAF, all she cares about is getting pregnant, and then she would’ve left him within 2 years, and cited the exact same complaints, as though she didn’t very clearly know about the issues between them BEFORE they ever even got engaged.🤢🤮 Professional victim should be on Lindsey’s own résumé.

@mocla1900-xn1og I agree 100%!!!

@mocla1900-xn1ogagree. She is supporting him while he finds himself; he can return the favor when they start their family. That’s “50/50”, Carl. 😉

I’m so tired of this narrative. He’s bringing home 20K per episode of this show. She mentioned staying at home for the first time EVER this episode. She’s also deciding for the both of them that the baby is happening immediately when she originally told Carl to take his time finding new work.

Listen here is my opinion with Carl and a job. The dude isn’t asking her to provide. Obviously his broke isn’t our broke because he is still paying half the rent on that apartment even though he isn’t living there. The “provider” shit just doesn’t come into it. She just wants him to work bc she doesn’t like him being home. But, if he has money and isn’t asking her for shit shouldn’t be able to take time to figure out what he wants to do? It’s not like he is laying up on the sofa and eating her food and not doing shit.

U gotta remember he's been friends w/ her for years her exes are his friends

It's actually a normal therapeutic process to speak with ex partners post traumatic relationship. Partners who come out of a relationship being gaslight need reflection to make sense of what really happened. I know the optics are bad, but this can be a very healthy and advised reaction. It's helps the person heal from a confusing and hurtful situation.

@@michelletimme8041 okay but he clearly only did it to validate himself and not be introspective about his part. This is Carl doing what Carl does best and avoiding the real work.

I agree. However, I think Lindsey artificially pushed the relationship forward to fit her “timeline”. If they had moved slower, I think it would have been easier for Carl to work on himself and know better what he needs to survive.

@@patclark2398 oh my gosh come on now Carl is a 40 year old man and he can't even decide what job is going to make him happy and fulfilled ??? 🤣🤣 Carl should already have his retirement plan completely planned out by the age of 40 and definitely not sitting around crying about a job that is going to make him happy while Lindsey is the one bringing in the money solely !!! Carl needs to grow TF up now, not 5 year's from now !!!

Exactly. Gross.

But she never told him she wanted to stay at home, he learned that during that conversation !The notion that the woman decides what goes regarding the baby is outdated !

Wait a minute, so Carl and Lindsay have the same job...they are both influencers but somehow he's a bum and she's not?

Oh come on give him a break, he’s working on his sobriety to stay alive

Pretending that she wasn’t responsible for convincing Carl to leave his job in the first place, and failing to acknowledge that she told him to take his time figuring out what is next for him, and also pretending like he doesn’t take home ANY income from the show & other deals that he has, which is completely misleading, when SHE has the exact same actual job that he has, and then says her “job” is being an “influencer 😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ is laughable and pathetic, at best. The fact is, SHE isn’t making all that much on her own, because she doesn’t have a real job either, she just gets some income from promoting products to her “fans” that she absolutely doesn’t use herself, and that kind of income is wildly unpredictable. Pretending that she has a real job and acting like Carl is being lazy when he actually wants a REAL job and career that he’s passionate about, and she’s immediately shut down everything that he’s wanted to pursue, is delusional. Once again, she’s failing to acknowledge that all of this was perfectly okay with her until mere months before their nuptials, and she still didn’t want to postpone the wedding, like HE did, to get themselves in a better place, both within their relationship, and for financial security. All she cares about is getting pregnant, because she knows she’ll get all that she actually cares about, and then can leave him and employ the exact smear campaign she’s attempting right now. She’s trying to rewrite the history of their relationship, and it’s very transparent.

@@denicarson9082hilarious and ludicrous at once that people think SHE has a real job, or that Carl should be the only one in the relationship that has to actually have a legit, stable job and steady income.🙄🤦🏻‍♀️ She also aggressively encouraged him to leave his steady job in the first place, and constantly told him to take his time finding what he wanted to do next, has shut down everything that’s he’s wanted to pursue so aggressively that he is now afraid to even come to her with further career moves he’s interested in (super healthy🤢), and was so unconcerned about his employment status that she refused to push the wedding back, even when he wanted to because he wanted to get their relationship in a better place, and get in a better place financially. She is the one being problematic here. Why is she only starting to express concern about this a couple of months before the wedding, yet she still wants to move forward because of her “timeline”, when her partner is expressing concerns himself, and why is she obsessively discussing IMMEDIATELY bringing a child into the world KNOWING *NEITHER ONE OF THEM* has a stable, reliable, REAL job and income? Because all she cares about is having a kid ASAP, and she doesn’t actually care who it’s with, and wasn’t concerned about the marriage actually lasting, because she already had a backup plan to leave him, lament about these exact same issues (that she already knew about & ignored BEFORE the marriage), and raise future kid on her own. Zero-accountability & self-awareness being exhibited here, once again.

I think it’s because he had never heard that from her before the scene at this party. She’s drunk, they’re filming, it’s contrary to what she’s said before. It’s a lot to dump on someone and then judge his character based on his reaction in that same moment.

Also how Amanda explains Danielle’s behavior is hilarious especially when she didn’t agree with it in the moment.

Very

😂 ding ding. We got a winner

He has never had a stable career

I am too and it shocked me lol. Carl has been lazy since season 1 he has lost every job he had other than his job with Kyle and we all know how much he wanted to fire him

Carl is lazy AF

"Period of time" key word. Lindsay made it seem like she wanted to do it as the kids grow up which means they'd have to make big financial sacrifices. At least he was honest about not wanting that lifestyle.

⁠@@carter7937I agree, it set off even more alarm bells for him. I think people underestimate the toll being the sole breadwinner can take, especially with a spouse who wants a certain lifestyle in this economy.

You all should mind your business.

thank you the baby convo is a cover up, the real issue is she’s not okay with the amount of money that’s he bringing in.

@@raayynicole at thee core is Lindsay's baby-panic. She wanted to have a child yesterday, therefore Carl needs to be ready, meaning his finances. Lindsay wouldn't pressure him, if they decided not to have kids.

@@ellingtonfeint13 i’m glad they reconsidered. You can’t push a man, if he can’t push himself gone head and exit stage left.

She literally says this on the show and during WWHL

Especially,on a recovering addict. Pressure is Carl’s biggest problem. I don’t think they are good for each other at this stage in their lives.

For the show!

I get you, but you are describing all reality tv now. No one on there has real jobs, just influencing... which is the most boring job on the planet in my opinion

@@traumaqueeen yeah, I guess I'm just reminiscing. And also wondering why Carl and Lindsey complain of a career, when they literally get paid to be on the show? 😑 And their not getting chump change either. Make it make sense.

Danielle is not a girls girl, she’s very male centered. I wouldn’t want her for a friend.

Lindsay and Gabby are coming across as delusional. Lindsay wants a sugar daddy.

They had a $13k/mo apartment in NYC and Carl paid his half of the rent for a year after they split and he moved out. Lindsay still complains about him not having money and he’s paying half the rent where she’s living. They had the same job the year prior; being online influencers. I just cannot imagine being with someone who would rather push their partner down verbally all the time. It’s very good they called off the wedding.

Or maybe just make more money.

It's about the future, his money ain't going to last forever.

I cannot stand Paige or Cearia !!! 🤮🤮

I thought the same.

All it takes is one time and Danielle's audacity is astounding. She loves "being real" towards others but absolutely cannot handle it towards her. She's lucky Paige didn't keep it real go scorched earth, naming all the times Danielle was a hot f*****g mess.

Carl actually doesn’t have to nothing zilch, zip IF he doesn’t want to. Lindsey needed to read the cues and cancel the wedding. What is this mentality that Carl or men have to fold themselves into pretzels for a demanding obnoxious woman. Free Will, people. Lindsey is a big girl. Jesus

You are a bully, he lost his brother..he’s dealing with real life struggles. Have some empathy.

​@@kelseywillow8110and how many years are we going to use Carl's excuses or keep accepting his excuses when he is not even fully sober because he now calls himself California sober which means he smokes pot all day which he admitted but yet he can't go out and get a job the entire time he was with Lindsay and she supported him !! BS

That's not what she meant and you know it lol. She meant if she's doing the hard work of creating the child, she gets to stay home and have a BREAK from *working* . As we've seen, Carl rarely has a job/can't hold a job and Lindsay 100% DOES deserve a man who will provide for her (like she's been providing for him for probably longer than maternity leave) while she takes a break from work. I can't stand how EVERYONE, including woman, let these man children do and get away with whatever. You people are male apologists. Just like scheana. Pick mes

You got all that from her comment? I was a stay at home mom so I completely get what she meant. Sheesh calm down, like aggressive much?

Carl literally said "she wants to JUST be a stay at home mom"

​@@terifitzgerald9483but we all heard it that's not what Lindsay said she said when she had a baby she would like to take a break and be a stay-at-home mom for a while not forever !!! You do realize that Lindsay has been supporting Carl the whole time they've been together and paying him for his life coach which was $20,000 to try to help him find a job and then Carl said he wanted to do media so Lindsay bought him all the equipment and there it sat still in the packages because Carl did not want to work he said himself he was loving his year off and not being responsible for anything !!!

​@Janet-Martin I was pointing out how condescending Carl was being toward stay at home moms.

I know right? It should be that easy, but it's somehow not. I think that Lindsey is going to look at a long life with no one to share it with.

Yeah Lindsey is delusional. She doesn’t know what being a SAHM is. It’s a 24/7 duty and it means a completely different lifestyle for many, which I don’t think Lindsey is thinking about.

@@vanessad.2625 like how do you not realize that the man you’re looking for is not in front of you.