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Why Are Japanese Swords Curved? (you may be surprised by the answer)

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An explanation of how the Japanese sword got its curve. Are there advantages to curved swords over straight one?
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@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
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@Evergreen4477_Typology
@Evergreen4477_Typology 3 жыл бұрын
Softer metal can be made just as sharp as harder metal, however the blade made out of softer metal will dull the cutting edge faster or roll the edge. While harder metal dulls the edge slower, it’s prone to chipping. What really matters is good sword geometry and a middle ground between too hard and too soft. Hope this helps👍
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
@@Evergreen4477_Typology that's true of course, I just had to simplify for the vid :)
@martinguzzoni6656
@martinguzzoni6656 3 жыл бұрын
@@Evergreen4477_Typology Samurais attacked with the hard edge and parryed with the soft back of the blade, to avoid damages on the hard breackable edges, this obviously only can be achieved by having skill with the sword and respect for the oponent.
@martinguzzoni6656
@martinguzzoni6656 3 жыл бұрын
japan didn´t have large amounts of quality steel, so they begin using the tamahagane, or "jewel steel" instead, that was more breackable, they mixed it with soft stell and the rest is history
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 3 жыл бұрын
The only true reason: Because they just looked more aesthetically pleasing that way.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
They do look nice 👍
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 3 жыл бұрын
Linfamy Very fancy and sleek indeed.
@ahmadniam3568
@ahmadniam3568 3 жыл бұрын
Remember lads : Waifu > META
@phantom_servant7980
@phantom_servant7980 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahmadniam3568 the sword is better than sword
@JBlox-xx5bu
@JBlox-xx5bu 3 жыл бұрын
(you may be surprised by the answer)
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment 3 жыл бұрын
"They have curved swords. Curved. Swords." - some random guards in Skyrim
@lewakar
@lewakar 3 жыл бұрын
that Schmitar from arabs
@AzraelAngel945
@AzraelAngel945 3 жыл бұрын
“You see those warriors from Skyrim? They have straight swords, straight swords!”
@fungisrock8955
@fungisrock8955 3 жыл бұрын
those warriors from Hammerfell
@itsblitz4437
@itsblitz4437 3 жыл бұрын
Skyrim for the Nords!
@matilde_5
@matilde_5 3 жыл бұрын
I thought about that right away!-
@makatadaito1351
@makatadaito1351 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm a bladesmith ❤️I forge Japanese swords for over 6 years. The reason why tachi is more curve is that it has thinner motokasane and wider motohaba and longer blade it produce moto-sori at tachi The sword start to warp much curve because of those reason that's why tanto doesn't have much curvature even at yakiire or differential hardening In general idea the tachi was much curve because of longer proportion the warping happened in longer blades
@EvilXero359
@EvilXero359 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard that the primary reason for the curvature of the blade allows the swordsman to unsheathe their sword easier, thus providing the swordsman a tactical advantage in battle. Is this true?
@IsaacChoo88
@IsaacChoo88 3 жыл бұрын
@@EvilXero359 I'm pretty sure they developed the sheathing skills based on curved swords, not the other way around
@EvilXero359
@EvilXero359 3 жыл бұрын
@@IsaacChoo88 k, just thought I'd ask cause I took a beginners class for katana handling
@ZenoDLC
@ZenoDLC 3 жыл бұрын
So basically... They try to make it sharper and thinner on one end while trying to make it thicker and stronger on the other end?
@makatadaito1351
@makatadaito1351 3 жыл бұрын
@@IsaacChoo88 that's right! Asian are small people and has disadvantages of drawing long blade
@jaystrickland4151
@jaystrickland4151 3 жыл бұрын
Curved swords have the added advantage of being less likely to be stuck while slashing. If you look at Calvary that used straight swords they preferred use the point rather than slash.
@juancassinerio1580
@juancassinerio1580 3 жыл бұрын
if you use a straight sword while riding a horse, when you hit someone your sword it going to fly from your hand
@plingplong528
@plingplong528 3 жыл бұрын
@@juancassinerio1580 maybe there is a technique? Napoleon cuiraisser use straight sword instead curved one
@FrankCastle-tq9bz
@FrankCastle-tq9bz 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense - the original samurai were cavalry archers and the sword was a secondary weapon for them…
@juancassinerio1580
@juancassinerio1580 3 жыл бұрын
@@FrankCastle-tq9bz the original samurai where people from the nobility that could afford buying a horse and taking care of it
@MinecraftBuildStuff
@MinecraftBuildStuff 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, depends on what you mean by stuck while slashing, technically while slashing it's not really supposed to be stuck
@leoalcaraz6153
@leoalcaraz6153 3 жыл бұрын
A better question would be why is the katana so bad ass; it’s the only sword ever used in modern pop culture
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Good marketing? It does look cool though 😎
@leoalcaraz6153
@leoalcaraz6153 3 жыл бұрын
Linfamy yeah broad sword and rapiers just don’t quite cut in an action flick
@b.b.holmes8255
@b.b.holmes8255 3 жыл бұрын
Well yes, but actually no
@lnsflare1
@lnsflare1 3 жыл бұрын
*sad lightsaber noises*
@heistingcrusader_ad3223
@heistingcrusader_ad3223 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe due to sleek design and the fact that these swords are lighter in weight
@walnutyuh6456
@walnutyuh6456 3 жыл бұрын
"cuz they look cool" - Japanese Man
@code066funkinbird3
@code066funkinbird3 3 жыл бұрын
Me as a filipino also a weeb: i guess you right tho i csn give you a respect
@randommemesv.2987
@randommemesv.2987 3 жыл бұрын
@@code066funkinbird3 you are not a weeb
@randommemesv.2987
@randommemesv.2987 3 жыл бұрын
@@code066funkinbird3 just say you watch anime
@code066funkinbird3
@code066funkinbird3 3 жыл бұрын
@@randommemesv.2987 I do love watching anime it's was amazing
@luisgabrieldelmo772
@luisgabrieldelmo772 3 жыл бұрын
@@randommemesv.2987 yes we call it weeb
@alperenerol1852
@alperenerol1852 3 жыл бұрын
And remember when you have no other choice, switching to your pistol is faster than reloading your sword ie Isshin the Sword Saint.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Indiana Jones understands this.
@Karamuto
@Karamuto 3 жыл бұрын
+1 like for Sekiro reference
@shaggyrogers9028
@shaggyrogers9028 3 жыл бұрын
Sekiro, how my blood boils
@The_D0C70R
@The_D0C70R 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's curved for two main reasons: 1) The wielder knows which direction the blade is facing while the sword is sheathed 2) It's easier to draw a curved sword
@ImNoah
@ImNoah 3 жыл бұрын
That’s an interesting argument. 🤔 I haven’t heard it before but it would make quite a lot sense. If you’re in the heat of the battle, you‘ll most likely not have the time to check which direction your sword is facing. Even if the main weapon was the bow 🏹, if it actually comes down to close combat the who draws his sword first will definitely have an advantage. 🗡
@Final_Boss
@Final_Boss 3 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@unnamedkillaz8677
@unnamedkillaz8677 3 жыл бұрын
Its actually an underrated argument
@Drepano
@Drepano 3 жыл бұрын
the first one is nonsense since if it wasn't curved it would've double edge
@The_D0C70R
@The_D0C70R 3 жыл бұрын
@@Drepano not necessarily. It would be very difficult to make a double edged sword with differential hardening.
@spacepope69
@spacepope69 3 жыл бұрын
Erections, curves, differential hardening! That joke is worth two thumbs up. (I can do that, I was born in Chicago)
@wrath3o284
@wrath3o284 3 жыл бұрын
Sir, this is wendys
@-r-3656
@-r-3656 3 жыл бұрын
Presidential Erection
@theweditor3612
@theweditor3612 3 жыл бұрын
Linfamy makes me differentially harden. I wouldn’t mind him curving me over 😳
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
O_O 😂
@Thunor93
@Thunor93 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh ....
@joannamysluk8623
@joannamysluk8623 3 жыл бұрын
*_*Bonk_**
@David0lyle
@David0lyle 3 жыл бұрын
Wooh a masher posting.🤭
@allthatsheiz
@allthatsheiz 3 жыл бұрын
😳😳😳 say waaaaaaaaah 🤭
@MrMrx123456789
@MrMrx123456789 3 жыл бұрын
You sir! You're now my Japanese History Sensei! Love learning history from you!
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
:D
@MrMrx123456789
@MrMrx123456789 3 жыл бұрын
@@Linfamy This is now my History class since I already graduated 5 years ago °-° I need class
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrMrx123456789 school has its fun moments 🙂. Weird how we tend to fall asleep in history class, but seek out history vids 😅.
@myrojyn
@myrojyn 3 жыл бұрын
One of us! One of us!
@charliewhite578
@charliewhite578 3 жыл бұрын
The right answer of where the tachi with a nakago is actually, both of these things. Early Yamato Den from Nara made swords in the Jokuto style, even going into heian period which is why Buddhist Ken swords/tanto are straight. The school that made Warabite-tou was called Mokusa, and essentially what happened was that the Yamato Den smiths making Jokuto, were making swords in the North for their warriors to use, and in the process adapted the Koshizori from the Warabite-tou. The construction of the Kenukigata no tachi is exactly the same, in terms of how it was smoothed to the nakago tachi, the type of Koshirae isn't so important. All of this led to Mokusa making nakago tachi but with the warabite smithing techniques, Yamato den eventually making curved tachi in the Amakuni school and Senjuin school and the Sanjo smiths making curved nakago tachi in Yamshiro as well as the foundation of the kobizen school. IE. The origins of the Japanese sword as we know it, is from both the Jokuto AND the Warabite.
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Thanks for adding your thoughts to the forum.
@yamiyomizuki
@yamiyomizuki 3 жыл бұрын
The straight double edged sword was symbolic in buddhism before buddhism ever came to Japan, the Japanese wordsmithing tradition has nothing to do with it. Look at Buddhist art from China, Tibet, and India, you will find straight double edged swords.
@charliewhite578
@charliewhite578 3 жыл бұрын
@@yamiyomizuki very interesting reply! I don't know so much about non Japanese Asian history. I do know that Ken were specifically made by yamato den as Buddhist smiths, namely straight swords, and I do know that straight swords were made by them quite late on into their extant use. Perhaps, for purely religious purposes, or quazi religious use as sohei needed to carry weapons into battle?
@yamiyomizuki
@yamiyomizuki 3 жыл бұрын
@@charliewhite578 ok before we get any deeper i think we should clarify terms. My understanding of is that chokuto would refer to a straight single edged sword, more or less like those used in China up to the song dynasty, and ken as referring to a double edged straight sword similar to the Chinese jian. I assume that's how you interpret those words too but I just want to be sure. The ken would be chosen due to the religious symbolism more than anything else. Even curved katana style swords will often have an image of a ken with a vajra hilt to symbolize... well more things than i feel like getting into without being specifically asked to. The chokuto style of sword doesn't really have any specific symbolism in buddhism and as such i can't say why they would be preferable to the Yamamoto den.
@charliewhite578
@charliewhite578 3 жыл бұрын
@@yamiyomizuki just based on extant historical works. Yamato den started making curved tachi waaaaay later than alot of the other schools like Mokusa, Sanjo and Kobizen, but weirdly enough yamato den made the first curved tachi called the kogarasumaru, just didn't really stick for whatever odd reason. Chokuto were very often double edged. I have seen multiple period double edged Chokuto in Kasuga Taisha shrine, and other places too. In fact, the Kogarasu Maru its self, is double edged. This sort of develops into my thinking as to why Yamato den were making straight and double edged swords longer than everyone else around them. At least, based on extant works that still exist. It's very possible that I am totally wrong, since Oda Nobunaga and Hideyoshi destroyed a massive portion of the Yamato Den school. Mostly Senjuin and Tegai works as far as I know, as alot of taema, shikkake and Hosho, bar sue Hosho were in samurai hands by then since the schools were mostly extinct during the nanbokucho era thanks to Godaigo Tenno messing around in eizan and yoshino against literally everyone.
@polleyjw
@polleyjw 3 жыл бұрын
The legendary WAnker vs. DWeeb debates. I remember reading about them in high school.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Very famous debates
@mriaschug5432
@mriaschug5432 3 жыл бұрын
Reasons why I watch linfamy: 70% history lessons, 20% his voice acting, 10% girl crush haha
@senioravocado1864
@senioravocado1864 3 жыл бұрын
"Why Are Japanese Swords Curved?" Because they want to make it curved?
@Vanalovan
@Vanalovan 3 жыл бұрын
Ngl, “Differential Hardening” sounds like an early sign of erectile dysfunction
@ericshun2552
@ericshun2552 3 жыл бұрын
I think the Japanese wanted to be quirky and unique, not like the other girls
@kirbymarchbarcena
@kirbymarchbarcena 3 жыл бұрын
PERSON 1: I love Katana PERSON 2: Yeah, especially her sexy body curves and... PERSON 1: Are we talking about the same sword? PERSON 2: What sword? I thought this was about the new Mortal Kombat game.
@thanthanh5190
@thanthanh5190 3 жыл бұрын
PERSON 2 may prefer it as female
@CounterMS
@CounterMS 3 жыл бұрын
Solution: bang the sword
@Twizted.
@Twizted. 3 жыл бұрын
@@CounterMS manga about that
@edi9892
@edi9892 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: There are two types of automatic edge alignment: 1) if you got a forward curved blade like a Kukri or Yatagan, it acts like an axe in the at it wants to face the ground which makes it easy to hold the weapon correctly, even if the handle is round. 2) a backward bent wants to turn in your hand 180°, but when you swing it, the blade wants to turn the other way.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
physics is amazing
@Fulblade
@Fulblade 3 жыл бұрын
Not so sure about this one guys. I cut with Japanese swords on a regular basis and there isn’t an automatic edge alignment. It takes practice to line the edge up in the direction and angle you intend to cut. What I’m hearing from the video and reading has more to do with balance as it relates to geometry and weight distribution of the blade. You’ll often see a taper on a Japanese blade as this creates a desirable balance which helps more so than blade curve.
@edi9892
@edi9892 3 жыл бұрын
@@Fulblade a Katana is almost straight. Obviously, the effect is minimal. A shamshir is a different story...
@Fulblade
@Fulblade 3 жыл бұрын
Right. That was the essence of my comment, it’s not a factor in my years of practice with Japanese swords. I will say though that a curved blade cuts better than a straight blade. There are some physics there that would be fun to explore.
@shashwatsinha2704
@shashwatsinha2704 3 жыл бұрын
@@Fulblade it's really simple. Just consider a circle vs a straight line: any line directed to the centre of the circle will be perpendicular to the surface.
@baysword
@baysword 3 жыл бұрын
We should never discount the whims of fashion. "Hey the Chinese do it this way. Let's be cool like them.". "Those bad asses look cool with curved blades."
@Thesandchief
@Thesandchief 3 жыл бұрын
A curved blade and a straight single edged sword like the japanese daos, made from the same steel. The curved sword will be more resilient. Less like likely to break
@bigfrankfraser1391
@bigfrankfraser1391 3 жыл бұрын
its because of the quenching after differential hardening, the softer less hardened steel on the back of the blade bends from the sudden temperature change, causing the curve, and once cooled completely then boom, curve
@thawsmst3138
@thawsmst3138 3 жыл бұрын
"You fool!" *immediately thinks of Excalibur*
@flaviocatarino4328
@flaviocatarino4328 3 жыл бұрын
"you're a poppycock" oh my god. Never laughed so much
@justin9656
@justin9656 3 жыл бұрын
i agree with you. for the fight on horseback they switched
@leodouskyron5671
@leodouskyron5671 3 жыл бұрын
The technique and different materials (the metal is iron but the carbon count differs between back and front) are used to make the sword curve. While making it not curve is possible there really is little reason to do so. A curved blade from horseback is better but it also is beautiful. The katana is a work of art meant to be useful but primarily is meant to be a badge of station.I strongly recommend seeing how the blade is made by both Japanese traditionalist and those in the west trained in the technique. It is a lovely watch in time lapse.
@user-cw3yj8jv1s
@user-cw3yj8jv1s 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you trying the Japanese pronunciation and not slaughtering it. It’s actually pretty good! Your pitch accent is off but it’s acceptable. Thank you for actually learning how to pronounce it a little!
@Balorkio
@Balorkio 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly thought it had something to do with cutting, similar to the old guillotine. Because back at highschool I learned that the guillotines blade was originally flat, causing it to not always instakill and sometimes bounce back off of someone's nape. So they changed the blade to make it curve to slice better. So my thought process is, that it was used to either execute people in a more ''friendly'' way or for battle. However this is just my take on it, and its probably very wrong
@solutionghostsimple6470
@solutionghostsimple6470 3 жыл бұрын
We all gonna ignore how this man tortured a poor Pikachu for the purpose of this video?
@ringlhach
@ringlhach 3 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind, too, that with a lot of the Japanese swords- looking at you, katana- you ended up with different weapons depending on the length of the hilt. It's not impossible that older polearms were... not reforged, but remade or maybe remounted as mounted combat and combat in general started to mean less than having the sword on you as a status symbol and for gutting uppity peasants.
@GRM0420
@GRM0420 3 жыл бұрын
I love how he described "war"
@l.lawliet2915
@l.lawliet2915 3 жыл бұрын
Totally the content I watch at 3 am.
@againwithadifferentname4880
@againwithadifferentname4880 3 жыл бұрын
Look, just because I want to snort his ashes after he dies, to gain his historical powers, doesn't mean that I am a fanboy. Got me dead
@insaneweasel1
@insaneweasel1 3 жыл бұрын
Glorious Nippon steel folded 100000000 times to defend my waifu and tendies
@theveryhateableowl1991
@theveryhateableowl1991 3 жыл бұрын
Shut noob
@koopaking6148
@koopaking6148 3 жыл бұрын
"Nincompoop though" "Poppycock" Sounds like real life debating...
@MarkMisterMr.Hamaguchi
@MarkMisterMr.Hamaguchi 3 жыл бұрын
Alignment is the main thing. It’s actually quite difficult to get proper edge alignment with a straight sword because a two handed stroke has a rotating or rolling grip where the rear hand starts on the bottom & ends up on the top.
@alejandromolina7270
@alejandromolina7270 3 жыл бұрын
"Whatever the case, after the curve tachi, the Japanese had a fever, and the only prescription was..." More Cowbells? "...more curved sword." Christopher Walken isn't getting those golden plated diapers.
@baconchan9117
@baconchan9117 3 жыл бұрын
Simplest answer: (For long swords) Curved swords are easier to unsheathe
@rftrbnm850
@rftrbnm850 3 жыл бұрын
battou jutsu
@Butterballz23
@Butterballz23 3 жыл бұрын
This is a really cool channel. Thanks as always man!
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
@thehammerman4436
@thehammerman4436 3 жыл бұрын
One thing not mentioned in the vid. Speed and ease of draw. Curved bladed swords are easier,and faster, to draw than straight ones of the same length. Also, you deliver more force and get a better cut with a curved blade as apposed to a irregular chop with a straight one.
@idolevin8795
@idolevin8795 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for that Japanese swear words video...
@duplicatemap4160
@duplicatemap4160 3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@alamtarokainkavan4524
@alamtarokainkavan4524 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone tells me that one day I will watch Wanker(William Anker) and Dweeb(David Weeb) debating about Japanese sword an hour early before I watch this video, I would think you've lost your mind.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
I differentially harden in the bedroom.
@sovietlamar1294
@sovietlamar1294 3 жыл бұрын
😐
@oravasong6111
@oravasong6111 3 жыл бұрын
I guess that won't be on live feed 😆 😉
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
@@oravasong6111 not until I'm *really* desperate for money..
@makatadaito1351
@makatadaito1351 3 жыл бұрын
BTW the chokuto was straight because it was quench at opposite side just like katana-kitchen knife that is made nowadays in Japan
@lanceey5997
@lanceey5997 3 жыл бұрын
*”What is Tachi with an extra I?”* *”Itachi”* “Wow, didn’t know you got it that fast”
@youaremidlol
@youaremidlol 3 жыл бұрын
A sword can turn into an anime character with only one letter
@user-du8wu1ym7e
@user-du8wu1ym7e 3 жыл бұрын
In this way, the Japanese sword is made so that it can cut things by rotating it around the center of gravity without pushing or pulling it. The sword with a bracken shaped grip was found in the Tohoku region of ancient Japan. Warabite sword is also preserved in Shoso-in Temple. It's called warabitekatana, Warabite sword is one of the Japanese iron swords Some of rare examples are warabi-teto (which is called Kurozukuritachi in Shosoin) and kurotsukuri-no-tachi which have been housed in Shosoin since the Nara period, and kurourushi-no-tachi from the Heian period housed in Kurama-dera Temple in Kyoto, which is said to have been carried by SAKANOUE no Tamuramaro. For example, Fushu's warabite-to (curved swords) were developed into a kind of sword, Kenukigata Tachi (Tachi with a shape of tweezer), that would be used by samurai Fushu were superior in fighting on horseback, and the warabite-to (curved sword), an unsheathed sword used on a horse, became the original shape of Kenukigata-Tachi (hair-tweezers-shaped Tachi [big sword]) that developed into Japanese swords. Although relics of swords from the early Heian period are scarce, and the transition of styles or how and when Japanese original curved swords were formed are not fully figured out academically, after the mid Heian period (around the 10th century), when the turmoil of Johei and Tengyo occurred, Warabiteno Katana (curved sword) which was easy to use when riding with its warped body of blade was used instead of conventional straight swords.
@AGS363
@AGS363 3 жыл бұрын
My problem with the "horseback theorie" is that you do not hace to slash while being monted. Were are many exemples of cavalary blades, that are straight (Scythians, Romans, Medieval Knights, sudanese nomads, Tuaregs, most militaries after Napoleon).
@sobrev1viente
@sobrev1viente 3 жыл бұрын
And that the other main weapon of the samurai besides the bow was the naginata, later replaced by the yari
@kosakos1999
@kosakos1999 3 жыл бұрын
Also, that the curvature of the blade is not sufficient to be efficient in slashing. Which makes the katana only slightly better than slashing, and worse at stabbing.
@juancassinerio1580
@juancassinerio1580 3 жыл бұрын
romans are not a good example of cavalary, mongols are and they used curved blades, and medieval knights use mostly spears not swords. But tha main reason medieval knight didnt use curved sword is the same reason muslims didnt use straight swords, one looks like a cross and the other like a moon shape
@AGS363
@AGS363 3 жыл бұрын
@@juancassinerio1580 That is the most silly BS I ever heard on this matter. Hopefully you are a troll, if so you reached a masterclass of skill.
@anotherhistoryenthusiast5874
@anotherhistoryenthusiast5874 3 жыл бұрын
Wether you cut or thrust is more determined by the type of armor in use.
@WinnipegKnightlyArts
@WinnipegKnightlyArts 3 жыл бұрын
It seems like a combination of aesthetics, practicality in manufacturing, and ease of use. You see a lot of convergent design on curved single edge swords of about that length (sabre, shamshir, etc.) and they make certain actions, mostly hooking and cutting behind the opponents blade a lot easier. The most interesting thing in many ways is that they use a two handed grip on a blade of that length.
@matthewct8167
@matthewct8167 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for addressing most of the questions I have about Japanese swords.
@milkelangelo1
@milkelangelo1 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your point, but i fell that you missed something: a curved blade usually also breaks less due to the fact that the shape distributes the stress along the sword
@noxious9832
@noxious9832 3 жыл бұрын
Old Japan: Swords, bows and wepons all over Now: We dont do that here sorry.
@MrKIMBO345
@MrKIMBO345 3 жыл бұрын
As a former debater of my college, I like how you uses the debate of the subject. 😃
@darthzayexeet3653
@darthzayexeet3653 Жыл бұрын
“A Baka-Neko? Must be a really dumb cat then…” (The best joke you have ever heard)
@adityam9001
@adityam9001 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely condemn the Pikachu abuse in this video
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
He was being bad
@jasonarmstrong5750
@jasonarmstrong5750 3 жыл бұрын
You see those warriors from the East? They've got curved swords. Curved. Swords.
@David0lyle
@David0lyle 3 жыл бұрын
There is a lot of occasions in history where there’s a question about how things got planned. A lot of the time, that’s the mistake right there. The curved swords were probably the best sword to use from horse back but if you’re planning an attack lances or bows would be the first choices. I’m saying that they MIGHT have used swords, even trained on how to use them from horse back, this might have made them more popular than other types but it’s fairly unlikely that this was a primary driver. Keep in mind that today most military forces still train with knives, bare hands and so on. To my knowledge no one plans attacks with these as the primary weapons.
@bogdantsyganok7459
@bogdantsyganok7459 3 жыл бұрын
Depending on how hard it is to keep a blade straight during diferential hardening there might've also been an economic/time incentive
@iampeachy1188
@iampeachy1188 3 жыл бұрын
Question is - did that Pikachu survived or killed for demonstration 😹😹😹😹😹
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
He knew what he was getting into 😤
@geldbeutel506
@geldbeutel506 3 жыл бұрын
I was really triggert when I read the title that Differential hardening is the reason for the japanese to use curved blades and I was about to write a comment 5 times longer than this one too explain that it is edge alignment what makes a curved sword better for cutting than a straight one. Thanks for saving me the effort to do that.
@luz9719
@luz9719 2 жыл бұрын
"the japanese had a fever and the only prescription was more CURVED. SWORDS." has me dying
@akatsukami9578
@akatsukami9578 3 жыл бұрын
Hardening when heated is _not_ a property of metals in general, but only of high-carbon steel.
@CourtneySchwartz
@CourtneySchwartz 3 жыл бұрын
Kind of, yeah. Inclusions of any other atoms can, with repeated heating/cooling, form more regular crystal-like structures. Vanadium in stainless steel does this too IIRC.
@KamiRecca
@KamiRecca 3 жыл бұрын
"It has something to do with Inertia... and Albert Einstein... probably" Well.. yes. You now how the japanese believed that swords had souls? It was actually one soul, that of Albert Einstein.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Ohhh 🤔
@KamiRecca
@KamiRecca 3 жыл бұрын
@@Linfamy you can trust me on this. i too was once a sword inhabited by the soul of Albert Einstein.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
@@KamiRecca i am honored to meet you, vessel of Einstein.
@KamiRecca
@KamiRecca 3 жыл бұрын
@@Linfamy ^^ Speaking if. the honor is all mine, always a pleasure when the channel answers. Let me say i highly enjoy your work.
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
@@KamiRecca thank you. And I highly enjoy your keeping Einstein's soul safe.
@rhettratt5830
@rhettratt5830 3 жыл бұрын
the real question is: "why are curves katanated?"
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting 🤔
@LegorocketsAnimation
@LegorocketsAnimation 2 ай бұрын
My first thought (as an aerospace enthusiast) was the curve helped lower the drag as the blade travels through the air, similar to a swept wing on a jet. Then i remembered this is a muscle-powered weapon, it is not going to go fast enough for drag to make enough of a difference to justify designing a new type of weapon.
@dutchraider2
@dutchraider2 3 жыл бұрын
The reasons are a mix of: 1. Materials available. 2. Performance. 3. Usage. 4. Culture. (without using japanese terms :D) Because of the type of iron ore, they had specific smelting and smithing techniques that made them able to make the edge strong steel and core/back softer steel. The strong steel was waaay harder to make, and the soft steel was basically an abundant waste product from that process. So economically it made sense to use more soft steel in their blades as well. Using two different types of steel in one blade basically makes a curved design a lot better and way more resilient when they came up with the hard edge, soft core idea. Also having one edge is a lot cheaper (less harder steel) and easier to maintain (sharpen) then when having two edges. The advantage on horseback is probably just a bonus, because as stated in the video, they usually used other weapons on horseback anyway. The usage also plays an important role. As drawing a curved blade is faster than a straight blade and quicker/easier to align. Because of the culture, quick draw time could decide life or death. As mentioned in the video as well, there weren't often very large scale battles where people used swords. They were often used by samurai which were basically noble men sipping tea and visiting others when something happened. Also the curvature differs based on time periods of peace and war. Usually they were a bit more straight during war periods and had a bigger cutting tip. But were more curved with smaller tip in peaceful periods. Probably because too much curve will make your reach suffer a bit, but was more esthetically pleasing to look at (just like a smaller tip was prettier). Their main usage was a status symbol after all.
@Shahfjjj
@Shahfjjj 3 жыл бұрын
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@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
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@PsychedelicMakai
@PsychedelicMakai 3 жыл бұрын
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@Claro1993
@Claro1993 3 жыл бұрын
ECHO
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Foxtrot
@oravasong6111
@oravasong6111 3 жыл бұрын
Gee
@johndoe6737
@johndoe6737 2 жыл бұрын
I dont know why but the "Your a poppycock" response made me burst out laughing
@maulikarora3011
@maulikarora3011 3 жыл бұрын
Now That's a million-dollar question
@lindboknifeandtool
@lindboknifeandtool 5 ай бұрын
The reason I’m almost 100% sure is because when you have a curved blade like that, it automatically orients to perpendicular. Glancing blows are harder to do. Also when entering material, it gradually rolls into the cut, helping distribute the force evenly. I think some upward curve came from quenching, and then was later accentuated. However they came up with the metallurgical process is beyond me. It’s seriously like alien tech. It’s like they had modern instruments to test and develop techniques
@charliewhite578
@charliewhite578 3 жыл бұрын
I think the reason the curved happened was out of ease of use on horseback, not for slashing, but having a straight sword bounce around like crazy is hard to get a grip on if you actually need it while a koshizori curved tachi moves less because its aligned with your body. Other reasons include durability. Tachi, even with blocky af heian period construction broken remarkably less than chokuto, most likely for as you said, the edge alignment reason.
@illyasvielemiya9059
@illyasvielemiya9059 3 жыл бұрын
i feel like this have been touched on your video about all of Japanese sword. So the early minutes feel like a rehash. But I enjoyed the later part of video
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@erikanders3343
@erikanders3343 3 жыл бұрын
Also you should talk about curved blades in Japan are made from two grades of steel - basically a metal taco where the jacket is softer the core tamahagane
@CourtneySchwartz
@CourtneySchwartz 3 жыл бұрын
Which also plays into differential hardening too, since carbon/vanadium steel cools at a different rate wrt iron or different steels.
@insertgenericnamehere5322
@insertgenericnamehere5322 3 жыл бұрын
we never think of the posibility that "I don't know, it looks kinda cool" -some bladesmith "You're right, it does" -some random dude wanting a sword
@RoboMuskVsLizardZuckerberg
@RoboMuskVsLizardZuckerberg 3 жыл бұрын
No Pikachu plushie hurt during the making of this video
@mehmeh3894
@mehmeh3894 3 жыл бұрын
Which is also why its a big deal when Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X uses the reverse-blade sword, it shows his skill because its essentially an opposite aim-bot
@KeithTKO
@KeithTKO 3 жыл бұрын
Katana used on horse back is called “do tanuki.” It’s much longer than regular katana so it reaches enemies on ground.
@katsuragirin6168
@katsuragirin6168 3 жыл бұрын
It also thicker so you dont have to worry about breaking.
@peacebewu
@peacebewu 3 жыл бұрын
the difference in tempering between the blade and the back of the blade also makes it curve when you quench the sword. I've seen a katana being forged then dipped in a glass container full of water(to demonstrate what happens when a blade is quenched). The blade curves forward then backwards as it cools in the water.
@zikutan5651
@zikutan5651 3 жыл бұрын
I do agree that the best reason is edge alignment.the blade naturally positions itself for better slashing and a straight blade would be easier to break then a katana because of the angle of contact when struck.
@Z020852
@Z020852 3 жыл бұрын
1. Maybe the curve made it easier for drawing and controlling the curve was due to looking for that balance of easy to draw, helps slashing (plus they figured out how to maximize this with how your wrists do the cutting motion), doesn't give up too much for stabbing between breastplate joints, easy to reinsert into the sheath, etc. Contrast this with how very long (because they're high up on a horse vs infantry who may have spears) straight heavy cavalry swords that were used by the Roman/Byzantine and Chinese empires were sometimes strapped to the front of the saddle and the rider has a shorter sword on him for if he gets knocked off his mount. And as for the Franks' long straight swords: 1) they had shields, and huge ones earlier on; and 2) they had maces and hammers as lower maintenance (vs swords) backups to the lance. Which would be cost/time/effort-effective (even if just for their page) if you're just going after some poor peasant that was lucky enough to be issued a helmet, which half the time was probably during a rout. Think of this like how a sushi chef uses an expensive Shirogami #1 yanagi to slice expensive chutoro but a yakitori (or ramen) chef uses an SK tool steel or Hitachi yellow steel honesuki to carve a chicken with a lot of bones. 2. Maybe we're not looking at the other angle enough. Instead of just thinking of whether this is better from horseback either for fighting or drawing, what if it was also because the curved sword had some kind of advantage against the sort of armor they went up against? Goguryeo, Silla, maybe even the Tang initially when they still had straight swords might have worn armor that presented a problem for straight swords; then their own O-Yoroi later on might have been made to counter this; then finally whatever the Mongols (and the conquered Song) had. I can't think of what that might be, BUT something might have been figured out while Yamato was helping out Baekje. 3. It might not even be opposing armor. It might be that the advantage in slashing also means they more easily cut through or otherwise not get caught on branches so you don't accidentally (and comically) lose your sword when chasing somebody anywhere that isn't a wide open field. Like when they first ones to get the title Shogun (not Yoritomo) went after the Emishi. Then it persisted partly because of the curve having other advantages on horseback and partly because they had an incentive to chase routing enemies running into what sometimes might be more wooded areas (even if they weren't sadistic or extremely utilitarian in depriving the enemy of manpower): they had to take heads.
@stevealford230
@stevealford230 Жыл бұрын
As a bladesmith, 99% of these comments are killing me. The tachi was developed after much complaining about swords breaking. So smiths developed bimetal blades that were differentially hardened to stop that issue (both of those traits are important, not just the latter). Those traits make a blade curve during the quench... and some people didn't like that curve, so smiths forged in a countercurve before quenching, and that was the norm for a very short while... but it takes RIDICULOUSLY rare skill to do that and have a perfectly straight result that also still has proper proportions of the bimetal makeup... and since demand for durable swords was greater than supply of smiths who could make them bimetal, dif har, AND straight... the natural result of the more durable method won and became ubiquitous. And then the compositions evolved into more than two types of steel in some blades, because smiths were free to let it curve as it will... that's why many swords of the same length and composition and era wildly differed in curve: because the mandate wasn't to curve to any specific degree or not, it was to be durable (bimetal with dif har) and let the curve be whatever it naturally is for that particular blade ... that's why they say the blades are alive and gain their soul during the quench when they curve, because the smith doesn't and can't control the EXACT degree of curve, the blade lives and grows on its own when it curves. It wasn't about cavalry or JUST about differential hardening, but it was partly about the latter... and you're mostly right when you say it was about the latter, or at least mostly on the trail of becoming right.
@robmanzur601
@robmanzur601 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos great work 🙇🏻‍♂️
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
@creator4197
@creator4197 3 жыл бұрын
1:34 the name of that a word is almost like itachi
@rodneythundercock
@rodneythundercock 3 жыл бұрын
Before I watch: by accident. They were trying to make what we would now call ninjato, but since the clay-covered spine cools slower in the quench, the sword gains the slight curve. Got to the point in the video where it was mentioned. The curve on a katana isn’t nearly enough to improve slashing. To be honest, the curve isn’t really enough to help edge alignment, either. Especially considering that a katana’s hilt has a nearly elliptical cross-section, which is more important for edge alignment.
@basantprasadsgarden8365
@basantprasadsgarden8365 2 жыл бұрын
I think that the Horse Back theory is a better explanation Because, in India, in Ancient period, the Straight Swords like Khanda where popular, but in the Mediaeval period, as the Chariots where replaced by Horses, the Straight Swords like Khanda become more of a Prosperity and Religious symbol and the Curved Swords like Talwar (which you have shown in a picture btw) dominated the battlefield The use of Talwar became so Common that, the word Talwar is used for Sword in many Languages
@jascrandom9855
@jascrandom9855 3 жыл бұрын
I think you got it wrong about the Differential Hardening and the roll the clay plays. The clay doesn't cause the curve of the sword, but the difference in carbon composition in the steal used to make the Edge and the Back of the sword. The clay is used for esthetic purposes as it leaves a mark in on the blade. Sword smiths would use it to give the sword beautiful designs on the blade like paintings.
@gunsenhistory7919
@gunsenhistory7919 3 жыл бұрын
What you are saying is correct but the clay allows you to isolate the microstructures you want where you want, like martensite and ferrite. If you have a low carbon steel core wrapped by a hard carbon steel billet and you do not apply clay, you will have martensite all over the sword except for the core. If you ude clay you will have martensite at the edge and gradually perlite at the side, which is a better solution
@user-bc1qz7gp4j
@user-bc1qz7gp4j 3 жыл бұрын
I think the big difference between the Western sword and the Japanese sword is "straight movement" and "circular movement". When "Aikido" will be compared with "karate" in a martial art also, may it be a fascinating comment? 西洋の刀と日本の刀の大きな違いは、「直線的な運動」と「円の運動」だと思います。 あと、武道において「空手」と「合気道」を比べてみると面白い論評になるかも?
@John_Falcon
@John_Falcon 7 ай бұрын
Curved blades cut better. Simple. Fibonacci sequence confirmed. Perfection Achieved. Enough said.
@NickiesChannel
@NickiesChannel 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve literally never even had any thought regarding this but now I’m super intrigued *clicks video*
@extrashifty578
@extrashifty578 3 жыл бұрын
my answer before watching the video because when you swing that thing it goes in an arc, it made for slashing not bashing. it is also easier to take out.
@syanfod125
@syanfod125 3 жыл бұрын
I have never been this early, I started watching your videos after the Genpei War btw 😳
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Woohoo!
@SevenPr1me
@SevenPr1me 2 жыл бұрын
A cut with a curved blade is more effective when used in fast strikes with the body's momentum behind it. The Japanese sword fighting style was best used for a single, quick strike that the opponent can't react fast enough to block.
@chringlanthegreat4556
@chringlanthegreat4556 3 жыл бұрын
My theory is that they thought curved swords looked better. People like to dress fashionable and curved swords do look nice. And that is why my favourite sword is the sabre
@webcomic3722
@webcomic3722 2 жыл бұрын
My reasoning is that the curved blade makes it even easier to slash, when swords like the claymore were used more to hack with, so the blade cannot be withdrawn as quickly.
@ElhPudding
@ElhPudding 3 жыл бұрын
I always though the reason would mostly be because japanese swords had just 1 bladed edge so making curved to people know which side to use and being easy to cut (As you said on the video)
@shashwatsinha2704
@shashwatsinha2704 3 жыл бұрын
That seems logical although I have never used a sword myself.
@eeshsinger
@eeshsinger 3 жыл бұрын
Yay a new episode of weapons with linfamy
@Linfamy
@Linfamy 3 жыл бұрын
Woohoo!
@rayvinhubilla2289
@rayvinhubilla2289 3 жыл бұрын
That pikachu was like 😳
@johnlin3959
@johnlin3959 3 жыл бұрын
A point about "controlling the curve". Just because you can control it doesn't mean that it's an easy process. I imagine that attempting to differentially harden a straight sword and preventing it from curving is a far more exacting process than trying to generate a curved blade. If the intent is to generate a curved blade, then the depth of the curve can fluctuate a bit without it being a big deal. But if the intent is to generate a straight blade, then the margin for error has to be within your ability to correct via grinding.
@Final_Boss
@Final_Boss 3 жыл бұрын
Whatever the reason was for making the blade curved, I'm thankful for, because the art of iaido was born from having the blades made that way. I don't think it would be possible to perform iaido with a straight blade or at the very least it would be difficult to perform, not to mention the number of Saya's (scabbard) you would break or crack along the way for attempting to do so.
@rhythmandacoustics
@rhythmandacoustics 3 жыл бұрын
I like the FF7 sound efx when the finger shows up.
@jbmaxwell6547
@jbmaxwell6547 3 жыл бұрын
Most amount of education in a comical brief well done grasshopper or Master I think he is very wise one of great thinking
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