the first 2 dont really count since no one could fuckin get one

And Sony is already saying the console is entering its end of life ahaha

@@carlosramone40 No, they said entering the latter half of it's life cycle. Which would mean an eight-year life cycle. And therefore the longest console generation in history.

​@@anarfoxjust gonna add this here for when he responds

@@colehealey2925 love it 🤣🤣🤣

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The prices were different and the wages and economy was different during those times, its a pointless metric to have, you dont get anything out of it.

That's what she said.

@@avendurree He didn't mean literal inflation

Thats a great way to describe the nostalgia value

100 million in 3 days is impossible. The highest record in 3 days for a videogame is still the original GTA 5 release, at just 16.5 million. Remember, that is the second bestselling game of all time. Mario Kart 9 would have to be doing triple GTA 5's entire lifespan numbers in a single year, which ain't happening lol.

@@koolaid33 Dude, hyperbole.

I always thought "Mario Kart Switch" would be a godlike launch title if its a sequel to double dash. Its almost a no brainer.

@@koolaid33 🤓

I don't think it was meant to be taken literally😂​@@koolaid33

linus approved comment 🎉🎉🎉

make this the top comment

Did you just skip to the end Cus you commented this 4 minutes after the video uploaded 😭😭😭

An actual slew of research on objective flaws and perks while also factoring in the relative time these consoles released will do that.

It really is. It was done tastefully and with respect to ingenuity, performance and game libraries.

Crazy that no one commented under you.

@@pepper9 it's just been 30 mins and i wanna believe chat doesnt just manifest soon as binty types lol

oh hi melporp cool seeing you here

only at McDanooj

wait vinny watches LTT?

You left out wii??! How dare you!!

Oh man the DS is incredible

Something similar happened to the PS2 right?

😂😂😂 these urban legends still get people

@@ElBribri Before the Iraq invasion, which people like GWB, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, John McCain and others voted yes for, the media was spreading unfounded rumors that Saddam wanted hundreds of PS2s to make a super computer with. This rumor was used to push public opinion towards supporting the invasion, along with false information about WMDs.

It was Gran Turismo for my brother and I. Doing those license tests really took effort!

Love me some ratchet

Sly 2, god i played that game like no tomorrow

fr I remember playing Midnight Club 2 for the first time with my dad and my whole family came into the room to check it out, such good memories

it was the OG God of War, which has become one of my favorite games on any console.

I get where he's coming from, but for someone like me, having as large hands as I do, the GC controller feels so much better than those of Sony.

@@shinigamimiroku3723 for years that controller was the only one that felt confortable to me

It's still the controller to beat in my mind. It's so incredibly comfortable compared to anything else that I use it any time I get a chance to.

i am one of those someone’s

I personally think the analog stick on the GameCube controller is the best ever if you want precision movement. Scrap the rest of the controller but the analog stick is amazing

that was also the thing that made the wii u at least decent

@@gamecubeplayer agreed, those were honestly the best times, even if the console wasnt the best. being to play multiplayer games for free on line without having to pay for a silly subscription every month or a year was so much better.

@@user-ko8qg7tg4dI’d argue you got what you paid for in those two. Wii U online was really lackluster in features and in the ps3 you were a victim of a data leak and had a weaker online experience.

I still play battlefield 3 online often on my ps3. Also, it did end up outselling the xbox 360, and while most of the early cross platform games were superior on xbox, near the end of that generation the ps3 was the console that kept pushing the bounderies and providing more than was expected, battlefield 3 and 4 were superior on ps3 for example. I can honestly say I was far more impressed by the best games on ps3 than I was by the best games on my xbox. Also, I had 4 rrod's so maybe that soured the milk a little.

correctamundo

I legitimately got Goosebumps from it. I'm not a Sony fanboy, but I've played more PS1 than probably any other console.

I had an Atari 2600 and and later a sega genesis while my friends had a SNES but later I was the first to have a N64 and PS2 so it evens out.

Dito 😊 So much fond memories

When you would cross your fingers for that second half shimmer sound and then get all excited like YES IT READ THE DISC THE GAME IS STARTING!!!!

@@Astromanaughtsame

Nice, Dreamcast literally helped save you from lung cancer, not easy to kick addiction.

Sorry but it does suck. No clickies, controller layout means you have no access to half the buttons half the time. Tiny vestigial d-pad. One crappy bumper. Triggers are amazing and the one thing it does right but that doesn't obviate the fact that objectively its a piece of crap.

Not even top 5.

@@totalvoid6234 Updated versions do have clickable sticks, two bumpers, and a better D-Pad. At the time it came out these were not necessary but they've been modernized for newer games. Not sure what you mean by "inaccessible" buttons due to layout - if you have two hands all buttons should be available to you.

One of the worst controllers. Sorry the layout is not logical. N64 controllers were also pretty bad. If the n64 didn't have some of the best titles ever it probably wouldn't even be a console I remember.

I would say it's a poor general purpose controller. Some games feel better than others on it.

Holy shit, I just saw the editing for the PlayStation. Incredible

Lazlo

GOAT sounds.

I have it as my ringtone for important people in my life

The Saturn startup also gives me goosebumps.

@@kruks as much as I love both in their own way, sometimes I think the only reason I still own my Saturn is to hear the boot-up sequence

Only bettered by PS2 in my opinion

S tier in my book.

Preach brother

@@desamster Totally. As Mr. Tech Tips was getting to the ranking, I thought "for me, this is an S, but it sounds like Linus et. al are probably going to give it an A.... WHAT!?"

Naw, couldnt put the N64 on the same tier as NES. That was the first gen I had all 3 main consoles. N64 had great games...just not a lot of games period.

@@foyo5497 N64 didn't need a lot of games, because the games it did have were instant, timeless classics that you could play for years and years without getting bored.

Thank you, I was about to say the same thing after watching this.

Kalinske was also on board in working with Scilicon Graphics who first came to them to get into video games (but Japan CEO said no), so they ushered them to Nintendo and became the N64. If not for Sega's infamous CEO in Japan, there would be: - No Sony PlayStation. Since Sony would have been busy making the CD add-ons - No 64-bit Nintendo. Since the chip was from SGI who originally wanted to work with Sega (and I can guarantee you Sega would not have wimped out the RAM like Nintendo did) - No Saturn. Since it didn't make sense to Kalinske why they would NOT capitalize on the already massive installed base of the Genesis (which is why 32-X came out in the first place) Instead it would have been Atari Jaguar vs 3DO vs Nintendo solo-effort vs Sega Genesis with a 64-bit add-on (basically 64-X instead of the 32-X) for the Sega Genesis, with CD peripherals by Sony. It would have been a slaughter.

We need a proper ranking for the KFConsole, too

And Stadia

soulja who? is that some sort of software?

@@q3aki Googling it would have taken less effort than your comment.

Soulja boy console is a F tier

Most old consoles had been relatively easy to crack, still remember sitting at a friends house playing coop on his XBox, he'd just rent games for a day, copy the games over and had pretty much every game available on a HDD put into it. There was no one else to go to for a good old time or to try out a game before buying it, especially for anyone who had parents that paid attention that you don't crack your console yourself while you still lived with them.

Here in nigeria too. We still have Pes 2023 for ps2 so many patches and all. It's the go to for people in trenches 😊

@@Unknown_Genius I've never heard of parents caring that their kid cracked their console. Its such a non issue I doubt they'd even care. When I told my mom about how I cracked my PSP, she thought it was awesome actually. You must've had some weird parents.

@@lexecomplexe4083 There's a ton of parents that do. Same as there's a ton of parents that don't let their children play anything that's restricted above their age. Also depends on where you live. Where I live e.g. bypassing security measures on either games, consoles, movies or music files (especially back then) usually could (if you're caught for whatever reason) result in longer prison sentences than actual sexual assault (Ironically enough the same goes for just downloading pirated copies). And with the parents being responsible for their childs doing (until they're ~14 years old) you can take your bet that most parents did care that nothing like it happened in their house. I still remember the meme adverts about pirating and the sentences for it vividly, mainly because they played like twice every ad break on tv.

@@Unknown_Genius first time in my life that i heard that ANY parent gave a fuck about cracking. most people i know learned how to crack FROM their parents. because most of them just thought that the prices for games were ridiculus. same prison sentences btw. nobody cared. maybe you come from a REALLY rich neighborhood or something. parents even thaught each other here (and they were no gamers, it was purly for the kids) XDXD

Take me a moment to understand why the barn 😂 didn't watch the movie

I like "dusting off" being said right after as well.

It sounds like the sniper shot from Xcom Enemy Within

Dreamcast had such a high concentration of AAA exclusives, plus online out of the box. It will always be S tier on my list.

Great clarification and I just found out the other day Sega Of America were also in talks with Silicon Graphics after the failed deal with Sony during the development phase of the Saturn. Once again, when they did their proposal to Sega Of Japan they turned the deal down and went full steam ahead with their custom multi-processor architecture. This might be a stretch but it makes me wonder if Sega Of Japan were intentionally knee capping Sega Of America after their success with the Genesis in the west? They thumbs upped the 32X but shot down the Sega Silicon machine? lol

I think every phrase with this tone WILL end bad, for the one who say it. I thought in Enzo Ferrari telling to Lamborghini "What do you know about cars if you build tractors" kind

@@thedrunkmonkshow You are bang on the money with this. Tom even suggested that Silicon Graphics go to Nintendo with their chip. Honestly, Sega of Japan had absolutely no clue how or why they were successful.

@@nicoacha88 My favourite car story ever! Ferari`s biggest competitor made out of spite, Mirrors the Nintendo/Sony story quite a lot.

Kalinske lost A LOT of credibility after the 32X fiasco. The fight and disagreements between Sega of America and Sega of Japan around 1993-1995 killed the company

glad i wasnt the only one

Ironically, it's depressing.

Never had a region converter, action replay or game genie then? It felt weird at first, but you get so used to it you can forget,

Most of the replacement cartridge connectors I've dealt with recommend not pushing the cart down. The bending of those pins when depressed is sometimes what made the OEM connector stop working in the first place.

Super jarring at the time. The rest of the video made up for it

I was just expecting the visual of being taken behind the bar, but the gunshot and rings sound got a laugh out of me 😂

Not a very good book sadly, it's full of erroneous data, biased interpretations and conjetures, and most of the time if I remember correctly, only taking into account one side of the story instead of checking and comparing all of it Sites with interview translations and cross-checking like shmuplations are a good source of material

@@MagickPistacho can confirm, coincidentally i just finished reading this book today. Kalinsky is known to revise history and point the finger at other people for his mistakes. The book itself is very one sided when it comes to segas pov. basically amounts to Kalinsky did nothing wrong and tried to keep the ship afloat for as long as possible, which is laughable. He pushed for the 32X because he believed the genesis was still only half way through it's life cycle and didn't warrant a successor just yet, But it just wasn't a good product to begin with.

Honestly though, Sega partnered with SGI would have been an absolute powerhouse

@@JonTheJoestar You can't pin everything on Kalinske, Hayao Nakayama was worried about the Atari Jaguar taking market share before the Saturn showed up in the West. The form factor of the 32X was ultimately on Sega of America, but Sega of Japan had final say on everything. Truthfully both sides of the company contributed to the eventual demise.

Sega was it's own worst enemy at times, with the infighting between the US and JP divisions...

I'm a little sad he didn't even mention the VMU... Having a little screen on the controller was pretty neat, plus the handful of mini games. I thought it was so cool when I was a kid.

I was probably 15 or 16, I dialled into the online chat for my "Bigpond" ISP on the console. I had a mouse and keyboard with the Dreamcast so it was basically the first "computer" I had ever owned (at the time I probably figured anything with a web browser was a computer). Anyway I met someone randomly and we made a deal that I'd buy games from them for about $10 a pop and have them mailed to me. I recall being able to use a "boot cd" to launch games.. A was a very loyal customer and one day I asked them how on earth they get these games!? And they gave me a clue.. "ISO". I had no idea what that was so I just moved on and figured it's probably something the people with fancy, fast computers would know about. I remember the first time I saw sonic... Unbelievable. It's a shame we'll never see such massive leaps again. I went from Atari 2600 > Sega Master System 2 > PlayStation > Dreamcast > PC > PS3. I just have a PC these days.

Ahead of it's time and it should've gotten S tier or A tier.

Though I don't know much about the console itself or how it functioned, I've definitely enjoyed many of the first-party games that originated on that platform, like the Sonic Adventure series, Nights, Jet Set Radio, etc. that were later ported to all sorts of other consoles.

@@Kelthor85 was it DC Chat??? I'm a child of one of the active users, others were family friends. Grew up with people I only knew of by their screen names, and would tag along with mum to pick up a bunch of burnt discs

Yeah, odd they werent included

Yeah I agree

As a pc player, I'd say my 2ds XL is probably the best purchase in terms of gaming I've made so far.

@@franklinnartz1381 good choice

@@flyingpanhandle they aren't consoles.

I could not agree more!!!

The dude's clearly played around 5 games from each system. He' clueless.

Agreed

I got a Model 2 Genesis and Nomad in era and even then I'd still say Genesis is A tier. Great library, but very arcade style oriented and lacking in RPG's compared to the SNES. A few RPG's it had like Phantasy Star IV and Shining Force 1&2 are classics, but nothing stood out quite on the level of e.g. Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Trigger. Sometimes even the arcade style titles like e.g. Turtles In Time were done better on the SNES compared to the Genesis version (Hyperstone Heist).

@@savagej4y241 It's really not though, you clearly just aren't familiar with it's RPG library. Lunar 1 & 2 are easily as good as FF6 & Chrono Trigger (as is Phantasy Star 4), and then you've stuff like Starflight, Langrisser 1 & 2, Dark Wizard, Snatcher, Buck Rogers etc. I mean, Starflight is Mass Effect of the 90's...SNES has nothing that can touch that. Buck Rogers similar.

sega genesis deserves an S tier imo. not only did it bring a lot of the more adult arcade titles to a home console, but sega channel was ground breaking. $20 (i think?) a month, a large rotating roster of changing games in the era where renting games was wildly popular. they basically invented game pass.

These two plus original Xbox.

What games did you play in the genesis? I haven’t had the pleasure of playing on the original hardware, but am playing a lot on the mini this year. Thunder force 3 seems to be the best game in its genre, but I haven’t played thunder force 4 yet. Since that is on the mini 2. Tempted to get that one as well. Shining force is another favorite.

Mega drive sounds better genesis sounds like some Jesus shit

Saturn was actually more powerfull, tha PSX. But it was marketing disaster and very hard to code with. Spelling it's doom. They also had shortages. Many stores didn't carry them. N64 was also more powerfull, ut is had limited storage, small libary and was almost double as expensive as the PSX. PSX games were 50-60 euro. N64 was closer to 100

True, but no one can do the Dreamcast dirtier than what Sega did, aborting it in under 2 and a half years. (They did put the Dreamcast as B though)

@@David-qi1ys blame Sony. Not Sega.

Dreamcast on tier B is already a sacrilege

Phantasy Star Online was absolutely incredible for it's time.

@@Rodrigo-Digao You can't blame a competitor for doing it better, thats a fault of Sega not Sony. Should Sony have put out an inferior console just to keep Sega alive?

proly holding out for another video

They would definitely need a separate video for all the different handhelds

Also apples console with firewire

maybe that will be another video later down the line

Yeah, kinda weird that they listed the wii U and switch but didn't even acknowledge the ds' existence.

Same here!

Yeah. I think since you basically have to be our gen to have played all of these and thus accurately rank them, it's no surprise the list matches our experience.

@@kierasher1 A lot of older Millennials like me also started on Atari. The NES was already out by the time I was 5 but only rich kids had it and I didn't get one until many years later, but my friend down the road did have an Atari a couple of years before anyone I knew had an NES.

@@charliericker274 Older millenial with an even older brother that was on the line between millenial and X so I think i lucked into a broad view of the early console market by starting with an Atari (7800, had more 2600 than 7800 games though) rather than an NES. I also agree with the majority of this. Even where I'd put a system in a different spot than Linus did, his reasoning largely justified the position. Perfect example, he put the 3do in a C tier and I think its actually not a bad system at all and had a lot of solid games that I ended up playing on PSX but they started as 3do games. But the justification was that nobody bought 3do because it was too expensive. And he's not wrong. Price matters, and you can't be "Kind of a playstation-lite" at double the cost just because you hit the market before the market was ready for it. Playstation sold as much as it did because it was reasonably priced for its specs right out of the gate, as illustrated by the 299 mic drop.

Same. Other than N64, which I personally feel should be S if for no other reason than it's got titles that still today are some of the best. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Ocarina of Time, etc.

That made me fall in love with the Xbox, lol. Playing Forza while bumping NFS soundtracks I ripped onto a CD was epic, lmao.

Exactly. Racing on PGR while listening to your own music was amazing, it's such an overlooked feature as is the HDD in general.

Another big benefit of the hard drive was that large sections of games could be cached onto it, then smaller bits quick-loaded from it. The decision to make the 360's hard drive optional meant games could no longer be designed around caching, and in-game custom soundtracks became less common too.

And modders took advantage of that. Nowadays you can install hard drives of 2 or 3 terabytes that let you install the entire game library of the Xbox. I have one with 2TB but I only have like 430 games to avoid the shovelware and repetitive sports games. 99% of the library also supports 480p. One of the best systems one can go after right now.

The fact you could have San Andreas radio stations for YOUR OWN MUSIC stored on the Xbox made me very envious as a PS2 owner. In hindsight though I’m glad it forced me to listen to all those dope-ass radio stations

I had grown up on NES/N64 and was 12 when the PS2 came out. My dad got us one for Christmas and I've been on the Sony train since. I don't own my original PS2 but I still have the slim and it gets taken out a few times a year as well. Mainly for Tekken Tag with the lads when we're all together.

i was the same, my son who is 16 is very envious of me and my generation, he is a retro gaming nut and has collected all the old consoles.

Ya, my dad brought home some wild things as well. It was a different time but glad to experience it.

yeah CDs are so fragile

No load times

The feeling of pressing them into place had its own satisfaction.

@@mtoad for real. The kids these days, they just don't know

Tried to fire up my PS2 to show my kids some games. Over an hour of not being able to read any disc before I put it back in the box. N64 still works like a dream.

It was a good system, however Nintendo tried too hard to force-feed players with the tablet-controller. To the point you're unable to initialize the console without it. I'd say it was as bad mistake as Microsoft forcing Kinect on the XBone.

@@sovo1212 I have the exact opposite opinion. It was a pretty bad system, saved from complete oblivion by several excellent games.

It had and still have terrible os issues having the vwii as separate from the wii u ecosystem is awfull controller also is pretty messi and loading times are awfull. The saving grace is that most of it's issues can be solved with a good mod and i'm sure it will continue improving. It's also a very strong system with 3 generation runing natively and an insane vc all of that with hdmi it's a must have once modded these days

Literally 3 games lol

Wii U deserves S tier, I was in the same boat as a kid

Don't need to.

Glad I’m not the only one!

@@NCISCherno What are you on about. My NES definitely needed to be pressed down. Still have one, still does.

@@AB-80X I still have mine, never did and still doesnt.

@@DL180sx I also still have an original NES. What are you smoking? You absolutely have to push the cart down, for it to run.

if not already made, i second this comment

Imagine that, someone crying about his job and he's watching a tier list video.

@@DeathScyther006 What a weird comment.

Whatever anyone grows up with is the golden age of anything more or less. That's just being a child

thats bc AAA companies dont take risks, and during the ps1-ps2 eras there were almost 0 real AAA games outside of EA and maybe rockstar, but even them 2 didnt become real AAA until the end of ps2 era.

Started with NES, then Sega genesis blew it out of the water.. I was an NFL nerd kid, and the 'end of life' genesis games were super nice, polished... even compared even to the 3d N64 NFL games, minus just a few. Genesis at the end of the 2d Era was better than the 'begginings of 3D' nfl games for a bit.

@@thumblessgod That is totally not true! You can thank Squaresoft with FFVII for the first AAA title on the PS1! Even Sony said at one point that that game alone was driving sales of the system!

@@phased3941 Idk ps1 and ps2 were actually legendary, the library of games for those 2 consoles alone puts every generation after it to shame. These days you're lucky to get a bookshelf worth of decent games per console gen. Back in the day you'd take a chance with 10 random games AAA to indie and 7-8 would be awesome, nowadays you'd have to get a bank loan to buy 9-10 games at the same time and 9-10 will be utterly unplayable garbage

Yeah I caught that too. As a fellow Canadian speaking to Linus, you can't go around using another culture's slang terms. You should be using 'eh' like the rest of us CADs.

@@koolaid33 I just meant it sounded funny as hell, not like offensive, more, Linus was meant for greater things than British slang 😅 his accent sounds too sophisticated for our gutteral phrases :P

TRUEEEEEEEEEEE

Also missing was the intellivision

@@justincurcio6710 Intellivision was mentioned at 20:36.

Ayyyyooooooohhhhhh ❤. Long live Hyperchase!!!

Also the neo geo CD and sega nomad. Could almost be considered a hybrid console, its like a reverse super gameboy.

We all know where the N64’s central joystick, GameCube’s whacky controller, and Microsoft’s Duke are gonna be.

and handhelds

@@PG-20 S, of course.

@@PG-20 Duke is F, N64 is C, Gamecube is S.

@@Beefnhammer no way that central joystick abomination is a C

Thats probably the result of moving Linus from the 'business' part of the business... to the 'host/entertainer' part of LTT

Revived??? It never went away, so it certainly never needed to be revived...

This is one thing i like about Nintendo. They try and do something different with their consoles instead of just putting a bigger graphics card in a box. Plus you don't have pay to use the internet that you're already paying for.

​@Subvaries yes you do. You need nintendo online to play paid multi-player titles. Keep in mind that games like spatoon don't even necessarily have "servers" because the game is P2P meaning nintendo's online service is 100% a scam.

Steam Deck 😂 That thing hasn't sold over 5m yet despite being plastered all over the steam store's front page.

@Galo994 ? Sales numbers aren't public.

That was back during the time when if your console was too expensive AND too niche, then almost no one was going to buy it or really even want it. Neo Geo was all about fighters, shmups, and run and gun, so it had a very limited genre selection. The platform excelled in its core strengths, but being so lacking otherwise makes it squarely a B rank.

@@savagej4y241 So you expected Krusty's Super Fun House or Night Trap in Neo Geo even though thankfully they never had a coin-op version of it? I mean, seriously, Santa Claus appears right in your face when kid and asks if you want a Neo Geo or a SNES, which one you pick?

without DQ no FF

​@@undertakernumberone1or Pokemon

Neither was Pokemon, "real gamers" dont gaf about slow burn grindy JRPGs.

I have a real hot take I think the PS2 is a little overrated tbh. The PS2 was actually my first console and it's got great games but most are not my thing. The PS2 was the first console to take gaming mainstream and a lot of the loved gams reflect that. It's best selling game is GTA San Andres and I am not a fan of San Andres or any GTA game for that matter. They are as wide as an open but as deep as a puddle with like a billion mechanics and minigames with most of them being shallow. You spend so much time traveling. Fable has this problem the worst. I am not big on the gamecube either. I can elaborate more if anyone cares. I feel as if the PS2 get's undeserved praise from band wagoning and people just saying it's good with no one questioning why. Notice how Linus didn't even mention any games by name ?

​@@doomdimensiondweller5627It's definitely overrated! Just because it was priced well against DVD players, and had some good games. I was a PS1 and Gamecube die-hard personally Edit I forgot PS2 had PS1 compatibility too. So it's definitely not overrated

@@doomdimensiondweller5627 I think it has the largest video game library of any console and full backwards compatibility with the PS1. The PS2 didn't specialise in any one genre of video games as it was the one-stop-shop for video games in general. No matter what your preferred genre, you could find it on the PS2. Like, I get that might not be satisfying unlike PS3 vs Xbox 360 where PS3 was the console for RPGs while the Xbox 360 was the console for shooters, but the PS2 had everything. If perfection is having no flaws, then the PS2 is perfect. If perfection is having the best game library, then the PS2 is perfect by breadth and variety. I don't see how one can criticise the PS2 for what it didn't do, since it did everything, and I don't see how one can criticise the PS2 for what it did do because what it did was have everything. Even if you hate 90% of the PS2's library, that's just because you hate 90% of all games, which is fine, but that's not the PS2's fault.

@@teapouter6109The original xbox could run Doom 3/ Halo CE and 2/ Project Gotham and was great for LAN parties and had a proper networking system (with the ability to speak to other players). Not to mention, a hard drive, having owned a PS2 when I was much younger I cannot tell you how frustrating it was to have no way of saving my game state simply because my parents didn't understand or bother to purchase a memory card (this was in the early 2010s mind you). As well as the simply inferior development support compared to Microsoft. Realistically speaking, there were not nearly as many or barely as many people hotsing LAN parties on that console, were there? The Dreamcast had been built with Windows PC developers in mind as well, they had a great catalogue of games. Along with good peripheral support (i.e. keyboards/mice) and interesting (although weird) features such as the ability to run an internet browser. Coupled with the fact that you were given Seganet, a free online games service and I'm still suprised to see that it failed. The Xbox had the same launch price of $299 or £299 as the PS2. Both featured a DVD drive The Dreamcast had released earlier by about a year for £200 or $200 and was significantly reduced in price. The Dreamcast seemed like such a great product, especially in its first year, is it not possible that it was the PS2's inclusion of DVD support that made the console so popular? Compared to the Xbox it also sold more despite supporting DVD, you might counter, however, the PS2 took a very conservative design choice compared to the Xbox, I wouldn't be suprised if many bought the PS2, mainly due to how it blended in with the furniture as a regular DVD player. Correct me if i'm wrong but, many in the era viewed middle-aged or adult gamers negatively(connotations that they were lazy and/or immature), and that a lot of people simply wanted the cheapest DVD drive. I think that was probably the PS2's very important success point in that regard and why so many games were built for it. Especially since there was no other practical way for mainstream gaming to be targetted at a general during the era, without consoles (smartphones were non-existent). Just my take, though, maybe if I still had my PS2, I would look at it more fondly, maybe I'm ranting due to how hard I found that 1 level in Sonic Heroes.

@@doomdimensiondweller5627Kingdom Hearts 1/2, Final Fantasy X, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus/Ico, Jak & Daxter, Okami, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2/3, Ratchet and Clank, Crash Bandicoot, Ape Escape, etc. All of these games are popular for a reason imo, some of the best games/franchises were on the PS2. Not invalidating your opinion just listing some bomb ass games lol

They obviously never used any of the CDi controllers. xD The Gamecube controller is still tied for the best controller, for me, along with the xbox series x.

The button layout was horrendous but it was one of the best for ergonomics

They did say “horrible for games that weren’t expressly designed for it”

an amazing console. Gamers at the time were coming of age and didnt want Family Nintendo anymore.BUT, out of PS2 xbox. Gamecube is still being played today.

Quote profile picture!! I love it! Also I agree, lol. I was baffled when he called it bad.

Its very comfortable, but the button layout sucks big time. It took me a few weeks to adjust and most games not nintendo are a headache to play on

I grew up with an A1200 and still have it. It's a fun computer but a really mediocre gaming machine. At the time, SNES/Megadrive had way better games in general. Most of the arcade ports were atrocious, one button controller, etc... CD32 was just an A1200 with a CD-drive and a lot of rehashed A1200 games.

Honestly as a CD32 owner (which I have had since one long before the insane price jumps) I'd probably give it a D rank. It didn't really bring anything new in terms of hardware over an Amiga 1200 and in terms of software it basically just played existing Amiga games adding nothing new to experience. I love my Commodore machines but yeah it really didn't acomplish much as a video games console.

The Amiga shares a lot of titles with the Mega Drive,/genesis with a ton of direct ports from the Amiga to the MD, but yeah didn't expect the CD32 to get evaluated well, tanked because commodore was corrupt internally and failed overall as a company because of that, and that North America never really got into the home computers like Europe did, so they just don't know or care, you can see any list of best games of the 80s, where it was made, NA will be dominated by Nintendo games, hats of to Nintendo to win that one. CD32 had a ton of potential...

FM Towns Marty wasn't listed and I always see that as the general Japanese equivalent of the CD32. Both were big ideas that either didn't take or weren't implemented well. I'd rate them both higher than a PC-FX though, and I own all three.

I feel you with that one.

battlefront 2 hits so hard, both old and new*

yea the reason i never moved my GTA 5 from PS3 to 4 was because online play was now charged. F that. it was free before...

Yeah, PS4 is an A tier console with S tier GAMES.

@@Ins4n1ty_ It has - like - 95% the same library as the Xbone. And Sony's first-party stuff is all wannabe-Hollywood slop nowadays, so you can literally buy either console and still have access to everything actually worth playing.

D tier?😂

I did too! I loved it, one of my favorite features actually. And the kinect, I've learned I'm definitely in the minority.

I personally loved the media features. When they killed the snap or sidebar or whatever it was called, I thought that was really unfortunate... I loved things like having madden up while watching a game I was only mildly interested in off to the side... or watching a game but then having my fantasy team stats or redzone off to the side. Then the cable interface itself was typically better than the cable company DVRs and the media remote was downright nice to use and comfortable... and the fact that it could bounce the IR signal from Kinect and give you control over all the peripherals using one tiny remote was fantastic in a pre-widespread CEC envrionment. Had they not stumbled with the DRM stuff and/or just changed the talking points from media first to 'hey this is a kick-ass gaming console and as a bonus you get all this really cool stuff so you can enhance your gaming experience.' it would rank a lot higher. It was really ahead of its time in a lot of ways.

I used this feature as well! And Kinect worked so much better than the wii motion controller, at least for me.

I heard that it was strugle to get working in some european countrys, could had also just been sony fanboys, which back then i was too.

@@pelaajajm5698 -- Wouldn't shock me if it had some overseas challenges - different electical grid, broadcast standards etc... with all the intial backlash they got they did start backpedaling and de-emhasising the media features pretty quickly. So bug fixing was likely not a priority with the focus instead going into revamping it to its current iteration.

'23 and '24 have been great years for it too, with fan translations. I never owned one but I play it more than my other retro systems.

That's what I did. Kind of. Before the Action Replay was a thing, I had some other cart that would get around the region locking, and to play something like X-Men vs Street fighter (it used the 4mb cart), I would have to load the one cart to get around the region lock, then quickly swap it out for the 4mb cart before the game actually started (during the Capcom logo). Later on the carts that had 4mb that also got around the lock were released and I grabbed one of those.

saturn would have been better if they translated more japanese games for the us market.