Oops, we have a few specs corrections for some of the SBCs. - le Potato has 100MBit Fast Ethernet, not GbE. - Renegade has up to 4GB of DDR4 - Orange Pi3 has 2x USB3.0 ports and 1x USB2.0 - N2+ has 4x USB3.0 and 1 micro USB OTG port. Our sincere apologies for the mistakes! We'll get the video fixed as soon as possible! Have you used any of these alternative Pis? If so, for what project? Raspberry Pi 4 Model B: geni.us/RH5vfB Banana PI M5: geni.us/KK6aB Odroid C4: my.geni.us/links#! Libre "Le Potato": geni.us/Qwsr Libre "Renegade": geni.us/qNGet Orange Pi 3 LTS: geni.us/Y1OlDj2 Odroid N2+: geni.us/2M12p Orange Pi 5: geni.us/t9bsNin Rock Pi 4C+: geni.us/iGwi Nano Pi M4B: geni.us/Csx8uW Seeed Mini Router: geni.us/3jAdA Seeed Studio LinkStar-H68K-0232 Router: geni.us/jzad Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.
@Dnoxl Жыл бұрын
The odroid c4 link is wrong
@countryhumansandballs Жыл бұрын
hi !
@dmacpher Жыл бұрын
Where’s red shirt Jeff when you need him
@ant_corp2517 Жыл бұрын
when you forget to pin your comment
@STORMFIRE07 Жыл бұрын
Btw Linus, have you taken a look at the new RISC-V SBC from Si-Five? They have improved a LOT in the past couple of years to the point their latest SBCs beat the pi at similar price point
@AtomicFeasT Жыл бұрын
You guys really should have used a pie chart for all benchmarks. Lost opportunity.
@IsraelAgyemanPrempeh Жыл бұрын
I’ll be back when your comment gets 3,143 likes
@smellymala3103 Жыл бұрын
I usually clap down hard on gallery suggestions as part of my trollish baiting repertoire, but today I am here to stand with and agree with my bro here. Also loving this spin on a circle A.
@platinumare Жыл бұрын
I'm with you on this! Plus some actual pie to eat whilst listening to this video would round things out nicely!
@jepoytutut Жыл бұрын
Pie chart is not applicable on a benchmark presentation. So that will not make sense. But yeah i get the joke.
@Traitorman..Proverbs26.11 Жыл бұрын
Did you know that pie charts have been banned in a multitude of American companies, because it is considered “fat shaming” or at the very least “psychological torture”.
@dgsprysoup Жыл бұрын
The advantage with Raspberry is their ecosystem and community support and other boards don't really come close to it. Unless other companies start giving proper ootb drivers for their SBCs, Pis are still the only way to go unfortunately
@gillo100 Жыл бұрын
This, was similar comment myself. While alternatives might be objectively better in themselves, there is so much to be said for a big enthusiastic community. Some alternatives are compatible enough that rasp pi community is still valid
@ConeJellos Жыл бұрын
That sounds like the same argument that people would give for getting a Mac.
@germanruiz3570 Жыл бұрын
Dude it's just Debian wtf
@johnrolfe7436 Жыл бұрын
my guy you commented this 1 minute after the video posted
@james1234168 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. I did a bunch of research on these 3rd party 'clones' a few months back, and the biggest issue I found was forums that were littered with questions but no answers. Left little confidence that I would get my projects up and running stable without a huge amount of customization and learning of the kernel level stuff due to the lack of support when things go wrong
@njnjco Жыл бұрын
One of the great things about the Raspberry Pi is how well documented it is. You can find whatever information about it that you need fairly easily. I wonder how easy it would be to find solutions online to any problems you might encounter when working with alternatives.
@limemason Жыл бұрын
RetroPie on the other hand...
@mickmoo Жыл бұрын
Spot on
@shaunkilcourse8097 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s a good point
@alfredfabulous3640 Жыл бұрын
Exactly.....you hit the nail!!
@snoflahke6575 Жыл бұрын
I guess it's well documented because it attracts people who actually read the manual?
@trunovmichael Жыл бұрын
Perhaps for next comparison, even if you compare only the specs, I'd mention the power consumption. For SBCs it might be important. After all, the whole appeal of ARM processors was computation per Watt. Typically boards with larger RAM have higher power floor.
@filthyfrankblack4067 Жыл бұрын
Those RISC-V's are coming in hard. I am of the opinion that the power draw is mostly because of the addition of usb 3.0-3.1. If you where to take a look at the Orange pi one plus as compared to the orange pi 3 it the same cpu but requires less power.
@zhanucong4614 Жыл бұрын
@@filthyfrankblack4067 yeah anyone who knows anything about framework laptops is that removing usbs saves battery
@Jmcinally94 Жыл бұрын
For folks that want more in-depth reviews of these SBC, Explaining Computers is a great channel. The guy does pretty extensive testing for comparison and has been at it for years.
@markivory7121 Жыл бұрын
He's an absolute legend!
@dieseIboy Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Sub'd
@mbsfaridi Жыл бұрын
Will look him up, thanks!
@fake404 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely.. Chris always provides quality content
@Xianying-sp1mb Жыл бұрын
I prefer ETAPrime
@Snowpanel Жыл бұрын
I wish you talked more about the software aspect of those pi alternatives. Unlike desktop computers, each SBC manufacturer has to provide their own Linux image (often with custom kernel patches), meaning that compared to RasPis there's often fewer OSes available, more compatibilities issues, and much fewer online resources available for troubleshooting. That's the main reason why Pis are still the most popular boards despite not having the best hardware offering.
@linuxguy1199 Жыл бұрын
Haha or roll your own DTBs
@urnoob5528 Жыл бұрын
other models can literally use windows because of x86 cpu
@TheDeveloperGuy Жыл бұрын
Not just software aspects, I totally miss testing basic tasks. Synthetic benchmarks tell nothing about choppy KZfaq videos, performance bottlenecks (like a gigabit Ethernet controller put behind a 480 megabit USB 2.0 HUB IC) or overheating in no time. My friend tested a BananaPi router many-many years ago, and while being gigabit, the CPU could only handle 130 megabit WAN traffic because of PPPoE. Also I wouldn't be happy to have Android 9 in 2023. Android 14 beta just launched. Sincerely: an SBC enjoyer with BeagleBones, OragePis and every Raspberry Pi generation.
@autohmae Жыл бұрын
A number of these can run regular Linux OSs though, it's not as bad as it used to be.
@GoodTofuFriday Жыл бұрын
They are so incompatible with anything recent, and have so little real support that these alternatives are useless unless youre a senior linux dev.
@MaxenceAbela Жыл бұрын
It's also worth noting that the n2+ is the only one that includes an RTC clock, which is a very useful feature for industrial devices or embedded systems.
@pconnor462 Жыл бұрын
Worth considering... If you don't need the GPIO and power draw / portability isn't as big a concern, old micro PCs are usually sufficient to run most things a Pi could. If you're looking for silent operation and such, look for Atom and Celeron based PCs. You can often find them for like $50, and they already have a case, storage, and power adapters included.
@MNbenMN Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the usb ports flaked out on my rPi that was running a print server, so I put debian on an atom netbook (in my parts bin for years due to messed up internal keyboard port) migrated my stuff over from the rPi via wifi before it finally died. The Atom works fine as a print server, although not quite as space efficient.
@Hollander040 Жыл бұрын
A pc draws way more power than an ARM does. What i do is i buy a chinese android TV box for 40 bucks and install armbian debian on it. It has local storage, sits already in a box and comes with the power adapter. Runs very task i want and cheaper than these boards..
@adreto2978 Жыл бұрын
@@Hollander040 genius lol
@thehoysauce Жыл бұрын
Thin clients! Low power, common and used ones are cheap as.
@voidbyteyt Жыл бұрын
my usb-c laptop still has 4gb ram, but its let down by the fact IT STILL USES CELERON
@JeffGeerling Жыл бұрын
"It has a slight CPU advantage over the 🍌" Well I should certainly hope so!
@wasitacatisaw83 Жыл бұрын
There's the Jeff Geerling comment I was expecting on this video... Just need Chris from Explaining Computers to complete the set 😁
@dobermanownerforlife3902 Жыл бұрын
Have you looked at other SBCs->ITX form factor? I still run FM2+ socket for my media server. I'm looking for options. I don't need much for a LAN distribution with no transcoding.
@JeffGeerling Жыл бұрын
Lol some bot with a sexy profile picture literally copied and pasted my comment.
@dobermanownerforlife3902 Жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling must have been the banana emoji. That obviously was an invite. 🤣
@hellterminator Жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Yeah, they do that. Whenever you see one of the sexy bots saying something actually relevant to the video, it's copied from an older comment.
@andrewcarrillo4814 Жыл бұрын
Linus dont you think it's worth mentioning that although the hardware setup for some of these is comparable, software support for even the best competitor like the Orange Pi 5 is still maturing and in early stages. Things like audio and HDMi sometimes dont work without script patching
@OlegKorsak Жыл бұрын
nobody cares, we use it mostly for kubernetes cluster. Would prefer SBC without all that desktop rubbish on the board
@irvinwilson3245 Жыл бұрын
@@OlegKorsak Sorry, dumb question and a month later but I've seen references to people building kubernetes clusters with SBCs but never figured out why or what for. Is there a common use case? Thank you!
@Apollo-iq1vx Жыл бұрын
Orange Pi 5 is extremely good for emulating PS2 games if you flash Android on it. Absolute cheapest possible way to emulate PS2
@PaulM-is4ts Жыл бұрын
The dual 2.5gb router is a steal compared to what is usually out there. I imagined needing such a thing in future applications when 1gb+ becomes affordable 🍻
@kajurn791 Жыл бұрын
Last i checked many of the things you can do with a Raspberry aren't as straightforward with these other sbc's. The problem was that Pi was so good that businesses started using it for their projects and made demand skyrocket and alongside it, prices.
@christopher480 Жыл бұрын
no the prices went up from ppl scalping them at the beginning of covid along with the chip shortage.
@johannoas1 Жыл бұрын
@@christopher480 yes but companies now are depending on pi's. Official rpi sellers are selling most products to companies and only a little portion to retail customers. Probably because companies pay more with a higher volume.
@John_C_J Жыл бұрын
Is the foundation making a profit tho or is it just the resellers?
@gotoastal Жыл бұрын
SCBs* no apostrophe
@another3997 Жыл бұрын
@@John_C_J Just the resellers.
@zahialsalman Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you guys try some projects with some of these to see how much or little trouble you run into without the full support of the raspberry pi community. Maybe boost the community around these alternative single board computers
@System0Error0Message Жыл бұрын
not hard. most projects require your own coding and the rest is simply hardware compatibility. If GPIO is your goal and you know linux and python, then you are set. Also you need a minimum of 2GB of ram to compile python for arm with additional performance flags. In other words only things that are pi specific that unskilled people cant do, can be replicated on other SBCs given that they have USB, GPIO and other similar things. As long as the OS is debian based, drivers/hardware works in it, you are set.
@nathancrowe641 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, a shootout comparing the user-experience of the various RPi alternatives, as opposed to their raw technical specifications would be very interesting.
@zahialsalman Жыл бұрын
@@System0Error0Message Well obviously it can be done, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who watches these videos and is only semi-skilled with Linux and Python. Personally, I'm willing to write a few programs, squish a few bugs, and so on, but if at the end of the day I can't figure out what I'm not doing right, then I just flushed my money and time down the toilet. Without someone putting a name to all the problems you face, it gets a lot harder to research solutions. I once had an old used laptop from 2008 or something (I think it was a Gateway m285-e) with a built in drawing tablet. It originally ran windows xp tablet edition, which I tried to install and all, but I couldn't because something about the whole process wasn't SATA compatible, but the motherboard only had a SATA port. I tried modifying the Windows iso with NTLite to integrate SATA drivers directly, but that didn't work. I also kept running into something about needing to install it with a floppy disk (Which is weird, because I know there are windows XP install discs), but somewhere online, someone said I could do it with a USB if I formatted it to FAT16 and limited the size. That didn't work. I installed Linux a couple of times on it, but I couldn't find support for the drawing tablet on any of the distros I tried, so I researched writing my own driver, and I don't remember why I stopped there. Maybe I lost interest, or no longer had time to sink into that project. My point is, some of us like to get our hands dirty, but want to know what we're getting into, and want to see what we'll get out of it, or heck, just think it'd be a fun video.
@FustFPV Жыл бұрын
@@System0Error0Message Lets be real. 99% of linus viewers wouldnt know programming and if they do, they would be the type to wonder why their python script that uses win32api isnt working on their linux computer.
@probablyuseless Жыл бұрын
Good mention on the Orange Pi about the non standard and hard to get working GPIO pinout and insane power draw for a small board. I had these issues with Orange Pi 2 and SE and seems like years later they still exist. Great boards for the price, but poor software support to back them up. Tinkerboard, MangoPi and NanoPi are also worth looking at. I just looked up some of the boards that I have and realised that they are all going for at least 2-3 times the price than what I bought them for, so it's not just raspberry pi that shot up to astronomical prices.
@andres_pq Жыл бұрын
Yeah. It would probably be worthwhile to make a video about mango pi
@OlafFichtner Жыл бұрын
That's a nice comparison! It would be even better if it included evaluation of software support. While many companies churn out nice hardware, not all of them care for the software side, which can get users quite frustrated...
@leoozada Жыл бұрын
We need more Raspberry Pi content, feel like it's great area that LTT hasn't explored.
@fedfer Жыл бұрын
Then you might find this channel interesting youtube.com/@JeffGeerling
@c1ph3rpunk Жыл бұрын
No, we don’t, we can’t get Pi’s.
@JoeMalovich Жыл бұрын
Don't increase pi demand please.
@kidShibuya Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's content that is going to get millions of views...
@mirilondondrift Жыл бұрын
@JoeMalovich@@c1ph3rpunk if the demand permanently increases so will the supply, and well get a bigger, more diverse market to choose from
@saiyadulahmad2012 Жыл бұрын
Having owned multiple Pis and alternatives, I'm of the opinion that for most IoT use cases, an older model Pi 3B is all you need. It works fine and hits that sweet spot of performance and power draw.
@magnusgreel275 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Of course, the older model Pis are all out of stock/costs hundreds of dollars now, so that conclusion doesn't help. Whereas the alternatives are at least able to be purchased.
@Nordlicht05 Жыл бұрын
@@magnusgreel275 my alternative for my usecase and broken pi was reactivate my very old core to duo pc. Way faster 😜
@magnusgreel275 Жыл бұрын
@@Nordlicht05 I did something similar with my old PC, but it's a hefty system which sucks up a lot of power. I'm thinking of getting a thin client second hand to serve the same purpose.
@Nordlicht05 Жыл бұрын
@@magnusgreel275 in my case it's not a 24/7 use. Than I would maybe search some low power thin clients. EDIT Not for 24/7 but if energy is a concern. But i underclocked my old Intel for that.
@lukasg4807 Жыл бұрын
@@magnusgreel275 so my pi zero and pi 2b from highschool are worth a lot now?
@jec6613 Жыл бұрын
Frankly, the RPI situation has gotten so bad that for my projects I've switched to using the NUC 11 Essential boxes as my SBC of choice, as they come in at about the same full package price as the ARM based SBC while using x64 CPUs, giving me many more choices in what I can run on them. Those little Celerons even have big boy GPUs that will happily handle UHD H.265 with Dolby Vision or 4K120 via DisplayPort.
@filthyfrankblack4067 Жыл бұрын
I've heard alot about these from Eli the computer guy. Lots of people using these as severs. I see amazon using them a PA stations in the warehouses. They seem to pack a punch. I just got the odroid h2. If the NUC have better performance that the odroids then the SBC marker is about to be taken over.
@rubenfilipe07 Жыл бұрын
I believe they are good choices, but it is noteworthy that the Raspberry PI community is very large it is more than a simple PC as it can be used in electronic projects. Having a great community helps a lot, because there are several tools (compatible program libraries, for example) and a lot of content to study.
@UncleRuckuss Жыл бұрын
People keep repeating how amazing that Raspberry Pi community is, but I've found it very closed, toxic, entitled and cultish. I had to wait for a day until my account was approved, then a few hours more after I posted a topic with a short, simple but very specific question, only to receive the answer "use the search function", when I already searched everywhere and didn't find the answer to my question. So much for their "community"...
@jhoughjr1 Жыл бұрын
It’s not worthy no one in the community can get boards so where is the community?
@pretendthisisaname8398 Жыл бұрын
I remember being amazed when I first got a Raspberry Pi Zero running. The setup was effortless but what really shocked me was how capable the system was for a PC that only cost me £10 and could fit in a wallet. For just £10 and a few dongles I had a relatively capable desktop computer. Obviously it's not going to run modern games but you could still use it for word processing, running certain programs, and even using search engines (this one may not be possible now though). There was once a time when computers were the size of a small house and no more powerful than a modern calculator. Back then, the concept of full office contained within a computer the size of a pack of cigarettes would be beyond sci fi, it would be full on fantasy.
@viperrr6886 Жыл бұрын
Yea now there 140 bucks not that cool hmm
@hiddendrifts Жыл бұрын
@@viperrr6886 pi zero 1.3 is still £5 but it's out of stock [and prolly will be for a while]
@hiddendrifts Жыл бұрын
>full on fantasy the future is now, thanks to science
@laplongejunior Жыл бұрын
@@hiddendrifts I'm wondering how lucky I am or how global is actually the global shortage I'm in Belgium and, if you were patient enough (a few months I would say), you were able to get most of the models from an approved reseller However, I agree that Pis *alone* are hard to get : most pis offered by the seller are part of a pack. Which is good if you want to start from scratch (and bad if you are a scalper and need to store stuff), but less funny if you already have spare cables and simply need an hardware upgrade
@hiddendrifts Жыл бұрын
@@laplongejunior >are part of a pack i mean, spare parts are always nice to have, and you can just sell them if you really don't want them
@iamvinku Жыл бұрын
BTW, refurbished mini PCs like the Dell Optiplex, HP EliteDesk or the Lenovo ThinkCentre devices are fantastic alternatives to SBCs if you want a (relatively) beefy PC to use as a Proxmox box, NAS, pfSense box, etc. Unless you plan to use the GPIO pins or need low power consumption, I'd say refurbished mini PCs are the best Raspberry Pi alternatives available right now (depending on what you intend to do with them)
@killer2600 Жыл бұрын
For anyone that wanted a raspPi as a cheap way to setup a media/NAS/home server, you get way more for the $$$ this way than paying these insane prices for the raspPi.
@1omerfaruk Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I'm disappointed that this has never been mentioned in the video. I bought a second-hand great condition hp t520 thin client for roughly 20 bucks plus 7 for the power adapter and added a 32 gb ssd for 5 dollars. and this machine is a beast for simple tasks like home assistant. with 6w max tdp, I cannot find a more reasonable deal in my country. I even managed to install and use win10 (roughly). the only downside is the size, t520 is relatively small for a thin client but cannot compete with pie in this regard. there are really powerful and low power mini-pc, thin client, nucs out there that can be harvested for a wide variety of tasks. my home media server is an hp 260 g2 with pentium 4405u+8 GB DDR4 that I bought for 95 dollars.
@iamvinku Жыл бұрын
@@1omerfaruk to be fair, they did a video about these about a year ago but installed Windows on it which I think misses the point of using one of these old cheap machines. I think a sequel is needed featuring Proxmox and one of these old towers or mini PCs. The old video they did about this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLadpMWlsN3Yl6s.html
@pawelk.8325 Жыл бұрын
@@iamvinku I have a Proxmox cluster on HP T620Plus / 2*T630 running on it: TrueNAS, Zabbix, 4 linux instances, Windows 11 X-Lite (works fine as a virtual machine on T630)
@sanjaybhatikar Жыл бұрын
Switched to ESP32 for most projects. They are plentifully available and cheap. Bit the bullet and dived into C/C++ which wes hard at first but now feels natural. I am frequently surprised how versatile the ESP32 is!
@overPowerPenguin Жыл бұрын
ESP32 is a different thing from a RPi Pi.
@filthyfrankblack4067 Жыл бұрын
Yeah C++ is the GOAT but it seems like it's ether javascript or python/micropython that is being taught these days. I was a stunch hater of python for the longest after the "upgrade" of python from 2.7 broke the esp32 libraries for arduino and linux in general but thing seems have been fixed now if you stay away from python2 libraries. It seems if anyone is going to use ML or any automation it will be with python so now I'm going to learn python. (Cries in unpopular languages)
@_nom_ Жыл бұрын
I use an ESP32-s2 for my 3d printer camera & power control as well as controlling my entire escooters lighting/indication system Gotta have a pi too though
@chisangamumba2961 Жыл бұрын
ESP32 is a microcontroller. It is NOT a Single Board Computer! 🤦♂️
@filthyfrankblack4067 Жыл бұрын
@@chisangamumba2961 What do you think a arm processor /risc-v processor is? What do you think is in the esp32 chip? If you think the esp32 is a microcontroller then explian to me how it can be a VNC client?
@Phrozends Жыл бұрын
The Rock 5B might be a little over the price, but the 16GB version kinda feels like a desktop replacement of sorts, thanks to the RK3588 (almost same as the Orange Pi5). But with 2 PCIe ports, there is no compromise, you can have WiFi 6 and a Nvme drive! Also, the GPU on that chip is awesome. Support is not there fully yet for the RK3588,thats the downside. Also the Khadas products like the Edge 2 and the VIM4, although way over the price, are amazing SBCs. Glad this boards are getting more attention from LTT! Kudos!
@varianbohling251 Жыл бұрын
Khadas oowow firmware is the kind of innovation this market segment needs. They are a bit steep on price though.
@chisangamumba2961 Жыл бұрын
Get an an Intel NUC if you want real power.
@user-cg5xv4zz2b Жыл бұрын
I looked at rasp pi prices and said - orange pi better and approx same price. I got Orange Pi 5 with 16GB ram. I bought fast micro sd cards and it is fast/fast/fastr. Yes, it is a desktop replacement. but Like said by Phozends - the sw is not bullet proof. I like linux with KDE, and it took a while to get something I like. - but it works well now. and there is a person who is releasing new versions of ubuntu about every 2 weeks. so it advances.
@ATechGuy-mp6hn Жыл бұрын
Used thin clients or nucs can also be a great alternative and run a bigger variety of software or docker containers because of the 64bit intel plaftorm
@Obsidian762 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Used thin clients and mini desktops are the way to go.
@larslego3638 Жыл бұрын
Just a thing to keep in mind about the N2+: there were some issues reported of all USB ports suddenly failing (mine did too). If I recall correctly it had something to do with a power delivery component that had to be replaced. Quick edit: I still use the N2+ for its Android compatibility and I am currently using it for my own infotainment system in my car. To use any USB devices I opted to use the USB OTG connector (which does still work, thankfully).
@davidl1813 Жыл бұрын
I looked at doing the same. Did you find a GPS adapter that worked with the N2+ Android? I have a few Odroid boards and none seem to work with the GPS modules I have.
@larslego3638 Жыл бұрын
@@davidl1813 No I did not because I am using the GPS from my car
@lopezthegreat912110 ай бұрын
How much did it all cost ?
@larslego363810 ай бұрын
@@lopezthegreat9121 the Odroid was about €100 and the usb cables and adapters probably around €30, I also made some custom pcbs, ordered some more parts, etc. So I don’t really have an exact total.
@Killerbear02 Жыл бұрын
depending on your usecase you can even buy an old version of those alternatives for even lower prices. I'm using an old BananaPi M1 for Home Assistant + Pi Hole and it runs just fine.
@makeitthrough_ Жыл бұрын
Aaaaand they're all twice as expensive now
@emmamitchell1582 Жыл бұрын
The alternatives are missing a thing that makes the Raspberry Pi great for beginners: There are tons of flashable images, guides to follow and thus barely any advanced knowledge necessary. Sure there are boards that have better hardware. But then I have to dive deep to learn how to use it.
@LostieTrekieTechie Жыл бұрын
Yes, but paying $129 to a scalper on Amazon is ridiculous and not worth it, the pi was supposed to be a 25£ computer.
@GreenCinco12Official Жыл бұрын
@@LostieTrekieTechie It still is. You just don't buy from scalpers.
@Granolora Жыл бұрын
@@icneo9738 he meant that that was the original plan, not what actually happened.
@MickeyMishra Жыл бұрын
Bingo! If you want people to learn to tinker with these boards? You have to have some kind of development community. Just like with old Chrombooks, they are totally capable, but who's doing it?
@LostieTrekieTechie Жыл бұрын
True, but it's a moot point if original Pis are unavailable, or only available at multiple times the list price.
@tramcrazy Жыл бұрын
Small correction: the pi 4 outputs 4k60 on one display, but only 4k30 when two are connected 😊
@Ryan_Carder Жыл бұрын
Typical modern LTT video unfortunately. I feel like their quality has tanked quite noticeably as they crank up production to increase the quantity. It's not that it's done in bad faith, it's just it's almost becoming a regular occurrence. There's SO MANY in this video it's honestly embarrassing. I feel like they should remove the video at this point.
@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Жыл бұрын
@KameHameHaNurd I don't think it's THAT common but there are definitely a lot of editing errors here. What stood out to me was the Pi 4 specs saying "2.4/2.5" wifi. Confused me a lot until I realised they meant to say 2.4/5
@bobowon5450 Жыл бұрын
And let's be real, most apps aren't going to work at 60fps at 4k. You'd be lucky to move your mouse around at 60fps
@Ryan_Carder Жыл бұрын
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep if you search through the comments, and even their own pinned one, there well over a dozen mistakes that aren't simple editing errors.
@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Жыл бұрын
@@Ryan_Carder I'm talking about in general not in this particular video
@Monsuco Жыл бұрын
It's not exactly a single board computer & it probably won't have the GPIO but a used business mini PC works great if you just want something cheap for Kodi, Retro Arch or other emulation, or a home server. A lot of businesses buy these and use them as POS terminals or to display stuff on TVs or whatever & they tend to just dump them on eBay after about 6 years. You can get used HP EliteDesk 800 G2's or G3's or Lenovo ThinkCentre mini PCs for $50-$80. In that price range you'll probably get a Skylake or Kaby Lake i5, HDMI, probably 8-ish GB of DDR4. The business probably took the drive out but you will probably find an M.2 or SATA port for a 2.5 inch SATA mount. A lot of the time the RAM and CPU will be socketed and older CPUs tend to be cheap if you want to upgrade it.
@McDuglas13 Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see pine64 offerings in this video. They have a huge assortment of sbc-s available, with a lot of ongoing development as well.
@jonahbranch5625 Жыл бұрын
True, however the barrier to entry for pine products is a little higher though. The software support is either bad or non existent. Cool hardware but if you're a beginner with Linux, other boards might be better
@cda32 Жыл бұрын
Those are even less available than a Raspberry Pi in most of the world.
@McDuglas13 Жыл бұрын
@@jonahbranch5625 They have a few mature ones as well, if you don't go with the latest / bleeding edge ones, they're pretty ok afaik.
@soul_maestro Жыл бұрын
@@jonahbranch5625 Armbian runs fine on most if not all of them. that same OS is also a good Linux for most other pi alternatives.
@jonahbranch5625 Жыл бұрын
@@soul_maestro that's good to know
@mcpr5971 Жыл бұрын
One thing I learned after using various rPi's over the years is that the specs often aren't "actual" specs. For instance, "4K 60" doesn't mean you will get to watch a 4K video with 60fps. It will down-throttle and resort to screen tearing if you *actually* try to use 4K. I'd rather them say "4K text only" or something. But that's $120 under the bridge (thanks r-Pi :) ). LTT, I suggest you use your new lab (whenever it's completed) to *actually* verify and rank these mini-pis. Can you run USB3 5gbps on ALL the ports? try it. I dont mean to retaliate against the manufacturer if they dont, but say "hey we found that it has 4x USB 3.0 ports, but you can only use ONE at full sustained 5gbps". Unfortunately specs these days don't really mean much until you spend the $ and find out what the real specifications are (thanks rpi :) ).
@cap_eath Жыл бұрын
My experience with the Pi4 was the USB 3 had serious bandwidth issues if it was connected to a storage device. When the computer was accessing a USB 3 storage device, the keyboard and mouse became unresponsive. So I would agree with your comment. And 720p would sometimes cause the 4 to struggle so I wasn't sure what kind of 4K video it would play
@67shafar Жыл бұрын
It really does have support for encoding/decoding video at those resolutions and frame rate using the onboard VPU. The catch is you have to install programs that are compiled targeting the onboard VPU. And some applications use different underlying libraries that may kr may not be compiled. Recently I had to manually recompile ffmpeg and underlying libraries on a Libre Renegade board to get it to process my survallence footage at the advertised rate. It was a pain, but it is smooth as butter now.
@anantakrishna4462 Жыл бұрын
Another point missed is that a lot of people wanting a pi 4 could very easily get away with lesser pi. Eg pi hole or a webserver would happily run on a rpi 3a+ which had plenty of stock when I bought one last week. Also many people may want a pi for some projects a pico would be more suited for thinking the pi would be better. But something like a remote control car doesn't need an operating system or the power requirements of a rpi 4. RPIs are partly for learning and building. Often the RPI4 isn't the best raspberry pi for either of these goals.
@DanSohad_BR Жыл бұрын
The differential of rasp is the giant community. You save a lot of time and have a lot more fun not worrying so much about the bugs you have in any model.
@atoo7yt490 Жыл бұрын
You can also use some of the no-name Android TV boxes (usually useless because no certification/hdr support) with the Amlogic S905 series soc's to boot armbian or similiar distro's over microSD, they come with everything you need out of the box, including stuff like IR and internal storage.
@bryangutierrez655 Жыл бұрын
It’s kinda fun figuring out how to get a no name amlogic android box to boot coreelec lol I remember soft bricking my box until I discovered the recovery button was only accessible if you opened the case up. Made the box 10 times more useful as a kodi machine
@atoo7yt490 Жыл бұрын
@@bryangutierrez655 never got gpu accel to work on my s905x "x96" box, otherwise itd be a great gray area/offline media viewer or a browsing machine (4x a53 is on some poverty spec chromebooks) or you can just leave it on with pihole and other stuff like a personal use server with barely any power draw and no noise
@zachdemand4508 Жыл бұрын
Inovato quadra is just that. It's a t95 mini tv box running armbian. It doesn't have gpio available but if all you need is usb it will work fine. Has comparable performance to a rpi3, for $35.
@FFXfever Жыл бұрын
I agree that they are fantastic choice for low end computing devices, but be careful with trying to load Linux on them, sometimes, these boxes gets sabotaged deliberately to avoid people flashing new OS on them. I don't remember which companies did it, but the retro gaming community would probably have better documentation on it.
@gotoastal Жыл бұрын
SoCs* distros* no need for apostrophes here
@chadmasta5 Жыл бұрын
A lot of people are bringing up the better community support for the pi, which I agree with *if* you're the type to do a lot of hardware tinkering. However so many of the things that come up when you search for "easy raspberry pi projects" are things like retropie, some form of kodi media center, and pihole. All of those things are more than possible with just about any machine that can run a flavor of Linux and I wish more casual users were aware of that before going out and getting a pi 4. Emulators on the real pi aren't even that great. It was a novelty 10 years ago when there weren't many low power devices for that cheap to run mame or nes games, but hardware has come a long way to the point where, for the scalper prices of a pi, you can get a used pre-built desktop that will blow it out of the water. If you want something small like the pi then these alternatives are just as good or better in that regard.
@bitelaserkhalif Жыл бұрын
Or broken laptops, or some x86 sbc if the intention is to make it like an arcade where constant electricity is available Heck, even I have too many computers and laptop that can replace Pi purposes. If you want gpio maybe hook it to arduino as well?
@TechyBen Жыл бұрын
One problem I found was obsolete hardware/software. I had a TFT monitor that had hardware and software that was supported, but lost compatibility along the line of upgrades/updates. Which is fixable if one knows matrix transformations and coding... I know neither. :(
@johnkristian Жыл бұрын
I don't understand a lot of the pi hype. It's great if you do a lot of HW tinkering like you say, and make your own IOT devices and things like that, and need a small, low power computer to use in that kinds of projects. But people are actually buying them because they saw a dumb youtuber saying "they are great for learning linux" or something like that..... You can do that on ANYTHING. A virtual machine (both local and cloud based) an old throw away computer (it will be faster than a pi), your phone, ANYTHING. There are a lot of "wasted pi's" because people are just flat out unintelligent. I've seen people buying them to run docker/containers on ... while having them beside a server rack full of servers and maybe a NAS or two that runs VM's allready (I'm looking at you, tech-youtubers). It's so insanely dumb.
@chadmasta5 Жыл бұрын
@@TechyBen I feel that. I had a project that used a pi zero and had gotten a little spi screen for it that did have pi support at one point but the software for it wouldn't compile because it was missing some stuff. I didn't know what it was missing or how it fix it so I basically abandoned the project.
@chadmasta5 Жыл бұрын
@@johnkristian I never got that either. If they were still cheap and it was your first one maybe but I learned a lot more about Linux trying it on my old laptop than I ever did using any of the pi's I've had over the years.
@shardsofaperture Жыл бұрын
The most stunning thing about this video was the catch @ 6:13
@manimac7238 Жыл бұрын
Got raspberry pi, banana pi and Rock pi and they all work. But better support and bigger community for Raspberry pi. So if you gets some problems, then problem solving might be a bit harder on the alternatives.
@kyeongsushin3145 Жыл бұрын
What you should do when purchasing these RasPI-alternative boards is checking the mainline Linux kernel support. If the chipset runs the mainline Linux kernel well, and if there's a complete device tree file for the board, then the chances are that there would be at least some usable Linux distros for the board. If there isn't, then you can build one by yourself (it's not as hard as it sounds, assuming that you are mostly sticking to the mainline kernel and the vanilla Debian rootfs). A few of them are actually more "open" than the original RasPi in that proprietary blobs are not required for booting. Most of them are not, though.
@TheProjectHelpDesk Жыл бұрын
When the prices spiked, I actually jumped ship on the entire ARM market and picked up a refurbed Lenovo Thinkcentre. The M600 style systems can be had for around $85 - $150 depending on how high of specs you want. And they come with the original Windows License. Not a true replacement but a valid option depending on your needs.
@another3997 Жыл бұрын
If you want a 'traditional desktop' computer for productivity, gaming and emulation, then those small form factor PCs are great, along with full sized desktops and many laptops. The Pi was never really designed as a realistic replacement for those. Though it could probably fulfill some people's basic needs, a Pi wouldn't be most people's first choice. The Pi's strengths lie elsewhere.
@Plain--Jane Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this comment - I poked around and saw a decent Chromebook for a stupidly cheap price, and all my project needs is a laptop as a base for a linux distro - this is perfect and doesn't require me to worry about a display and stuff, thanks! Don't know why I didn't consider refurbished gear
@zackkertzman7709 Жыл бұрын
They have some newer fanless units out now that have have more modern x86 processors (celeron, atom, maybe a lower end i3 or Ryzen). Much better comparability and performance than a raspberry pi, but still relatively power efficient - maybe 15-20W when maxed out (which can be tuned up/down in the bios). They're a little more expensive than the old sff mini pc's typically available on e-bay, but that comes with much lower power draw and modern creature comforts like nvme 3.0, 2.5g ethernet, usb-c, etc...
@Zerzayar Жыл бұрын
The Fujitsu Futro series (especially S720 and S920) are also a good option. They start at 15,- € used in Europe. Fanless, sturdy, low power consumption. The S920 even has a PCIe x4 half height slot.
@pchasco Жыл бұрын
This. If are just looking for a very small computer and not building a project that requires use of the HAT, and you can keep it plugged into the wall, then you are much better off buying a used ultra-small form factor PC, or a used i3 NUC. You’ll spend under $100 US, and it will blow any of these ARM SBCs out of the water in performance. Once you shell out for a case and power adapter you’re in for $100 at least with any of these SBC’s anyway.
@johnk6757 Жыл бұрын
I used to feel this way then I realized my time is worth wayyy too much, pi has by far the best ecosystem, support, really nice imaging tool for their OS, etc
@poletooke4691 Жыл бұрын
Just constantly sold out tho. Why don't they ramp up their production? It's ridiculous
@Quackkr6 ай бұрын
Half of these are better than my "gaming" laptop that barely runs 2 tabs of Chrome
@userknownunknown Жыл бұрын
Would love to see an updated version of "How's it like to work for linus" video, I think the answers are gonna be more diverse(and exciting) due to the new staffing.
@Jimmy_Jones Жыл бұрын
Now it's more "what is it like to work for LTT?" Linus hasn't even met all the staff that work for him now.
@userknownunknown Жыл бұрын
@@Jimmy_Jones Oh yeah, I meant to reference that video but now that the company is so much bigger, that definitely makes sense
@dragon2knight Жыл бұрын
We need Retropie to work with more of these, it's the main reason I want to use a Pi in the first place. When the other ones start doing this I'll buy them, especially the last few you talked about as the power is definitely there to make Retropie run like the devil.
@workshop94 Жыл бұрын
Ditto, and honestly they might as well launch the Pi 5 at this rate. I’d take any alternative that can run Retropie just as well. Or, you know…just make more Pi 4s 🥲
@BryanCantDance Жыл бұрын
Or try an alternative OS like Batocera which I personally prefer over RetroPie anyways
@foxxyytofficial Жыл бұрын
OrangePi does have a fork of RetroPie Its called RetrOrangePi
@dragon2knight Жыл бұрын
@@ayoitsaya Didn't know about this, will give it a go, thanks!
@chrishahn3834 Жыл бұрын
@@BryanCantDance Second vote for Batocera. It runs on just about anything.
@xurtis Жыл бұрын
I’ve loved these rockchip and and amlogic boards for low level hacking, also RISC-V options coming to market. Should warn that one may become a bit of a collector of these. For the DIY folks, would like to see a video covering the ESPs, arduinos and alternatives.
@xurtis Жыл бұрын
I’ve had a fair bit of pain getting OrangePi 4 LTS up and running. It’s worth noting that it’s much harder to get alternative builds of Linux or upstream OS installs working than others. Even with a fair bit of experience, you’re often out of luck if you want to install anything other than the images from the manufacturer.
@vashranoid Жыл бұрын
In the UK, just looking through Amazon and NONE of these are selling at RRP. Considering the support that the original Raspberry Pi gets it seems best to just stick to that despite the fact that they're so much more expensive than they should be :(
@MultiBobsanchez Жыл бұрын
Was looking at the orange pi 5 on amazon $132 so yeah all these are over msrp or rrp
@thisisarandomchannel6045 Жыл бұрын
You could order them from the US Amazon website. 10 US dollars in shipping but it is much cheaper than the markup's. I ordered a le potato a while ago and I got it cheaper than a UK listing by about 10 pounds.
@zeehondknuppel2632 Жыл бұрын
The Jetson nano from NVIDIA is also a great option with a decent amount of support and a relatively active community
@Crazy___Ginger Жыл бұрын
Yep! They really are a fantastic option if you can afford it. I have one that is running an Octopi 3D Print server, and I am going to soon add a webcam to it so it can run Spaghetti Detective to detect print failures.
@System0Error0Message Жыл бұрын
way more expensive now, especially their newer SBCs, worse pricing than their GPUs. Also the jetson nano is still more expensive than the pi for less benefits. Thats why i dont have one.
@abx42 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the reason the pi is such a powerhouse is its ecosystem documentation and knowing that something's going to install and for the most part not be a problem. It's community is very much robust something the competitors are lacking and for the most point price point.
@SpottedCreeper Жыл бұрын
Precisely this ^^
@20035079 Жыл бұрын
That still does not justify pricing the boards at $150 each
@abx42 Жыл бұрын
@@20035079 and I completely agree with you I was merely talking before the component shortage begin. I have three of them myself so that's not really a concern. I'm still trying to figure it out when this will end.
@thewhitefalcon8539 Жыл бұрын
@@20035079 It does actually justify that! I see you are new to the ways of capitalism.
@alditube Жыл бұрын
One alternative I am missing are thin clients. For example the Futro S740 can be bought for 40-50€ (refurbished) and offer way more processing power while still consuming only 5-15W. Only "drawback" are the missing I/O Pins
@filthyfrankblack4067 Жыл бұрын
Somebody is trying to get everyone on this Zima board thing. As far as I know it does not have GPIO's and that's where it falls short.
@_nom_ Жыл бұрын
Orange Pi 5 and 4 LTS here. Go for the 5, as it's the only one to run Plex well with software decoding/encoding.
@bdbgh Жыл бұрын
Another thing that's kinda hard to deal with when you choose other than a raspberry pi, is the variety of choice for enclosures and large heatsinks.
@emkay1182 Жыл бұрын
Well there are plenty of 3d printing options for each of the listed boards. But yea, gotchur point
@System0Error0Message Жыл бұрын
for mountings most of them are the same form factor as the pi, while some are partially compatible, as for heatsinks only full case ones wont work but the regular heatsink + adhesive pack works as you just need to cover the right chips.
@LazyJesse Жыл бұрын
@@emkay1182 cause everybody has a (good) 3D printer, lol
@emkay1182 Жыл бұрын
@@LazyJesse There are very cheep printing services online (even on ebay) ;) Shouldnt cost more then a midclass pi case
@urnoob5528 Жыл бұрын
@@LazyJesse if u dont have a 3d printer then why r u buying them sbcs and then complaining not enough casings literally for most ppl doing diy projects, they will 3d print their own designs, these are also hobbyists that likes to customize for other people, why r u even buying it then complaining about not enough variety enclosure? just buy watever option is available, that will already suit u enough if u do diy projects and are a hobbyist, i d bet 3d printer is something u already have or are looking to buy, even if not now
@JORGETECHJorge Жыл бұрын
I remember buying the original Orange Pi 3 months before the Raspberry Pi 4 came out and it blew the Raspberry Pi 3 away with it's much better performance, four USB 3.0 ports (the LTS version removed two of them) and built-in storage (more reliable than micro SD), it was perfect for making a low energy consumption NAS which was the reason I bought it. I'm impressed to see it still has decent performance against the current gen RPi. Also, massive kudos to the Armbian Linux distro developers that do a great job on providing an up to date and well maintained Ubuntu/Debian distro for the vast majority of RPi alternatives. I was hoping to see that project mentioned in the video.
@LynnellEmmanuelNeri2 ай бұрын
Any 2024 update on this one, sir?
@si.ari.0615 күн бұрын
Raspberry Pi 5 is out
@Ozogorgor Жыл бұрын
You missed Quartz64 from Pine64 which can be had for about $80. I really like it, plus you'd be supporting them in their endeavor challenging the status quo with their Linux based PinePhone. Seeed Studio has other interesting offerings as well, not just the reRouter. The odyssey, although at almost $300 running a Celeron CPU, is a neat board.
@filthyfrankblack4067 Жыл бұрын
That new raspi pico competetor the 0x64 is going to be a little monster once people fully realize its capabilities. Microdata will be the next big trend.
@michaeldavidryandanielpaul1990 Жыл бұрын
I wish Linus would have baked some pie puns into this episode! Loved it, thank you guys 💙🍰
@Qardo Жыл бұрын
Well, it would have better if he released this video in March on the 14th. Aka. Pi Day.
@free_kids_in_bio Жыл бұрын
He did put 3.1… in the intro
@michaeldavidryandanielpaul1990 Жыл бұрын
@@Qardo 😆👍
@vidagogo9829 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. The SBC category is abused today costing hundreds of dollars for boards that don't even compete with fully designed laptops and desktops. The whole point of SBC popularity was useful tech for low prices. Low-cost emulation or even neat inventions like "super computers" and robots. I have some RPi 3's, 4's and Zero W's. Got them at the time of their lower prices thankfully.
@another3997 Жыл бұрын
The prices for R Pis will go back down. The Foundation has no control over third part resellers charging extortionate prices, and these scalpers are undoubtedly hurting the Foundation's reputation. The assumption being that the RPF are the ones charging silly prices, which is not the case. You CANNOT compare the Pi market to regular laptop and desktop markets... they're aiming at different audiences.
@vidagogo9829 Жыл бұрын
@@another3997 Did I say RPi prices in the hundreds? No. There are other SBC's costing insane prices.
@n0ahg1 Жыл бұрын
The issue with the price of the RPi is it's popularitly. Unfortunately, and I not agree with it, but Ebon supported supplying bussinesses before hobbyists...
@vidagogo9829 Жыл бұрын
@@RyTrapp0 You completely missed the point. Good job. The prices of new SBC's are draining the community out. Many are complaining of prices of SBC's (not just RPi) New high priced SBC's are what people are setting as standards for their prices, therefore never going back to MSRP (not that that's the only reason). And the comparison to other devices is a comparison of price for what you get. They are both computing devices that, while not for the same customers, use some of the same resources.
@joecan Жыл бұрын
Sad thing is, an older PC is usually cheaper than a Pi nowadays. Was looking for a pi to put in my Mame cab, but ended up with a 2007 intel iMac for $35 instead. and the screen, with its glass cover worked out really well too
@manimac7238 Жыл бұрын
I made my Mame with a mini PC (one I had lying around). But people could buy old secondhand iMac or mini PC on the cheap for many projects. Nice work mr Joe Can. :)
@aw34565 Жыл бұрын
Great video. My understanding of Raspberry Pi alternatives is that whilst they may offer great hardware, the quality of the hardware drivers and OS support is nowhere near as good as that from the Raspberry Pi foundation.
@awesomenet7628 Жыл бұрын
The main advantage of raspberry pi is their small form factor and their power efficiency so they can be attached to a battery or used in some Maker device. If you just want a cheap pc or a pi-hole, a used 2010 HP tower would be cheaper and 15 times faster.
@woofcaptain8212 Жыл бұрын
Electricity costs money tho, but that aside yeah
@Alias_Anybody Жыл бұрын
Honestly, a potent, flexible and open Android machine would be pretty neat. All the stuff on the market is either something hilariously outdated from China with zero support, or lightning focussed on pushing you towards a specific media subscription and you have to jump through hoops to jailbreak.
@Neoxon619 Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I was actually expecting Anthony to cover this video considering his interest in Raspberry Pi & Linux as a whole.
@user-yk1cw8im4h Жыл бұрын
He has been fired…
@strickos91 Жыл бұрын
@@user-yk1cw8im4h what ?
@Neoxon619 Жыл бұрын
@@strickos91 They’re lying, Anthony is still at LMG.
@Polarisgab5454 Жыл бұрын
@@user-yk1cw8im4h Not true
@blackmoonco Жыл бұрын
Software and general development for the Raspberry Pi is unmatched. So I understand and enjoy the alternatives, but for a newcomer wanting to learn the OG can’t be beat.
@tsxtreme Жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much for the detailed comparison and description. I would love to see the whole of the information tabulated for easy consumption if possible.
@juliusfucik4011 Жыл бұрын
I have tried some alternatives. They are good until you want to use your SBC to do something that most people don't. I stick to RPI for most of my projects for that reason. The others I tinker with just for fun.
@grandsome1 Жыл бұрын
If you don't need the GPIO pins and don't mind higher power consumption you can also run an old thin client pc, they're cheap, upgradable and great for server stuffs. They generally consume less than a 60w light bulb, and sometimes sub 10 or 5 w on idle.
@zackkertzman7709 Жыл бұрын
Another benefit is that they're not ARM-based, so software compatibility/support is typically even better than the raspberry pi. There are also some more recent fanless sff pc's (usually intended to be router appliances) that have around half the power draw as those for around the same price...
@urnoob5528 Жыл бұрын
high power consumption is really only the concern here, and also the size, it just means u need to setup an fixed server somewhere otherwise, for the the gpio part, u could easily use microcontrollers, powerful microcontrollers that can communicate wirelessly with the pc
@urnoob5528 Жыл бұрын
@@zackkertzman7709 totally agree, i would buy an x86 sbc over arm sbc given the choice at the same price do note that x86 sbc actually exists, i think linus also did a video on lattepanda where he put an rtx on it for some reason, i dont think any x86 sbc was shown in this video, probably because those are way out of the price range
@zackkertzman7709 Жыл бұрын
@@urnoob5528 I'll have to look up the LTT video on it. I looked into x86 SBC's at one point, but it seemed like you ended up paying quite a premium over a sff pc/thin client/etc... for that SBC form factor. At least that was true when I looked - relative values might've moved since then.
@grandsome1 Жыл бұрын
@@urnoob5528 I have a less than 1L ThinkCenter as a server, I could litteraly shove it in a closet if my peak performance demands weren't so high. As for power consumption, well that's relative, where I live running a 60W lightbulb 24/7 is about less than 3$ per months. And a computer with the same maximum TDP probably consume half of that if I'm conservative in my estimate, but it's probably even lower than that with efficient idling.
@jhbb19 Жыл бұрын
Using Le Potato for Octoprint instance and have been very happy with the performance and availability.
@TheSanpletext Жыл бұрын
I ran my Octos on RasPi, but found using old PC and docker easier and faster, not to mention super easy deployment of multiple instances (one for every printer) via web browser.
@jhbb19 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSanpletext thought about using an old computer but power consumption was always 3x or more even on an older low voltage intel mobile system
@Neo-lb4et Жыл бұрын
My guy, do you have any guides for getting octoprint setup on Le Potato? I've been trying and I just cant seem to get it running properly
@elektron2kim666 Жыл бұрын
I got interested in the GPIO and settled with 2 RPi 3B's that wasn't having a super price on eBay. Now I have a building phase and like the rabbit hole and the OS experience is a quality and didn't cause an unsolvable loop.
@dharmaraja41Ай бұрын
I’m impressed by your benchmarking efforts ! Despite all the perf you can get, I think the reason for choosing any device like pi is to make sure the drivers and tools are available for the io for the use of choice. You want to focus on the task and not waste time on making things work well with your peripherals..
@aodhanmorrissey Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks!! Its hard to under estimate the impact of making SBCs easily accessible to consumers....from improvised oddities to powering peoples DIY prosthetic limbs? Definition of badass.
@morgantouvereyquilling3465 Жыл бұрын
I owned all models from Raspberry Pi as little self-hosted servers for some applications, from non critical web hosting to torrenting and hi-fi server, and more. And that was a bit much for such little machines though, so I finally upgraded to an ODroid H2+: it's worth to note that ODroid also makes x86 boards like that, with very small form factors. The architecture is better for performance and binary compatibility with precompiled software (although it's not too hard to run a lot of things on ARM on Linux nowadays). It's running continuously for more than a year and works a lot, and so far it's still going strong in its little corner of a room, and as a home server it's very capable as long as you don't need really high performance (I forgot about transcoding my video library to H.265 or enabling Plex transcoding too, for example).
@ThatJay283 Жыл бұрын
2:59 also, raspberry pi doesn't even have gigabit ethernet so banana pi is def a major improvement
@joelwilliam5799 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video Linus, I'd love to see more of such videos on SBCs
@epoul Жыл бұрын
One cool alternative to use as a NAS, is the Zima, it's a singleboard computer as well, butt with x86 architecture, 2x SATA and 1 PCIE slot
@piman2boek364 Жыл бұрын
ZimaBoard
@ginoantenucci6424 Жыл бұрын
0:08 no joke sounds like a apple keynote
@pskouson Жыл бұрын
I own a Libre Renegade and I love it. It works. I run Ubuntu on it. I don't think they mention this in the video, but I'm pretty sure the GPIO doesn't match with the Raspberry Pi stuff.
@astropipe. Жыл бұрын
I find it funny that in the EU we have like 0 issues stock-wise for Pi 4s, bought mine quite a while ago but I check sites for ideas and such and they never were out of stock here
@mushieslushie Жыл бұрын
While it's a bit outdated now, I have an Odriod Xu4 I use as my nas and it still works great. I'm not sure what it's performance is compared to the newer raspberries, but at the time the raspberries didn't have USB3.0. I still think it's a valid choice in the $50 range. I recently reinstalled the OS and updated to OMV6 and it's just as good as ever.
@kameljoe21 Жыл бұрын
Nas are great for some people. I just use free services, photos go on fb and videos go on KZfaq. Anything else i have can be lost for all I care.
@mushieslushie Жыл бұрын
@@kameljoe21 Facebook is not a reliable way to backup photos, especially full resolution. Also I scan all my personal documents and shred all but the most important ones (birth certificate etc). I do think there is merit to off-site storage if you have a fire or something but for me a NAS works great. I can also attach a USB drive and run Rsync or use USBBackup which will automatically sync whatever shares I configure to the drive when I plug in it, that I can then store off-site. There are no monthly or additional costs unless I buy more hard drives.
@kameljoe21 Жыл бұрын
@@mushieslushie I just do not have anything that needs to be backed up that I can not recover from other sites. All of my emails and documents are on my gmail. Any sheets and things like that are also on google drives. The only thing on my computer or what I would have on a NAS would be movies and tv shows I have downloaded for better viewing mainly because not all sites have speed watching nor do they have additional volume boosting like VLC does. I no longer watch anything at normal speeds it has to be 1.5x or faster. I am so sick of watching stuff slow, I am able to watch shows far faster and have more time for other things. I have 4 tb of space of which is about 3tb full.
@richardm5778 Жыл бұрын
One thing I like about the RP4 and RP3b+ is the Power over Ethernet add-on board you can get. This means my pi's are powered by my PoE switch and in the rare case of a hard crash I can remotely power cycle them. I have not been able to find information on PoE support for any of the alternative boards.
@idowhatiwantdowhatisaygoog2361 Жыл бұрын
You should be able to buy PoE splitters that can be used to power anything for about $10. Just be sure to pick the right one (USB C vs Micro vs 12v Barrel Jack), the USB C variation is more expensive but you can buy each of them in packs of 3 for a discount.
@mrklean0292 Жыл бұрын
For my use-case I don't want another power cord on my rack. I have a POE switch to provide power to various devices. I know some would consider it a little silly, but I like a neat rack.
@walterbyrd83807 ай бұрын
Not long ago, I bought a new laptop for $60. It came with Windows 10 pre-installed, and works just fine. I think it's called an Evolve. Unlike an SBC, a laptop comes with monitor, keyboard, touch pad, case, and power supply.
@user-qr5uh9zs7j Жыл бұрын
20$ will get you a used Chromebox, which you can fairly easily take the motherboard and write protect screw out, to install Mr. Chromebox's firmware script and run any operating system. Not only is it built for Linux, but they usually come with 4Gb ram, 16Gb storage, a fan, not to mention a dedicated case, and other components that are quadruple the price on a slightly smaller raspberry pi. It totally works, too!
@ivolol Жыл бұрын
Sincerely disappointed you didn't talk about the software compatability for these. Very few of the MCUs on these boards have anywhere near mainline linux support like the RPi's, which tends to mean you're limited to the OEM's distro they chuck at you on some forum thread. And then after a year, abandon.
@vasodyss Жыл бұрын
The LePotato has been a perfect companion to my Ender 3 3D printer. I run Klipper with Fluidd, and even have a webcam connected, it handles everything perfectly.
@WhiteG60 Жыл бұрын
I was fortunate enough to hit MicroCenter a few times right when the Pi Zero 2 came out and have like, 5 of them. They run Klipper and Fluidd (or Mainsail) perfectly and are small enough to fit in the case with the mainboard.
@Timbo_Boy Жыл бұрын
In Germany, things are bad enough, but luckily not as bad as in the US and Canada as it seems. I am currently building a NAS and I was able to buy a Pi 4 for like 20€ over msrp (but with a nice case included). But 120$+ for a Pi 4 is really hefty. Sadly the alternatives aren't exactly cheaper over here and the Raspberry seems to be the "bang for the buck" (If you want to call it that at those prices) option.
@ComputerizedAxialTomographyTPC7 ай бұрын
Yea, in the US we got people buying thousands in bulk and redistributing them for 200$ a piece, which ramps the prices up from a good 40$ to 60$ to 120$ to 200$ usd, i cant even get a rpi from a local microcenter unless its a pico or rpi zero 2W which isnt even good enough to cover what im working on
@Blalack77 Жыл бұрын
Hi-Fi Pi. I remember several years ago, I traded my friend an old NES shell for a Raspberry Pi - he was building a NES emulator and needed a shell and I had been wanting a Pi at the time so he just bought two and traded with me. That was back when they were only like $30 or whatever and I wasn't sure if I got the better end of the deal - seeing as how that was my next to last complete NES shell - the others are missing the little door flap or the top of the shell and stuff like that - now I basically have 1 complete NES and 2 NES boards left.
@jierenzheng7670 Жыл бұрын
For some use cases, even using x86 Thin clients or tiny PCs like M93P or even those tiny Beelink tiny PCs would be more performant for less money. I wanted to DIY a laptop but even the RK3588 (non-S) can't compete with x86 Alder Lake E Cores for the same price :( That being said, I always wish that there was a way to make old smartphones (not just Samsung ones) into ARM SBCs to reduce ewaste.
@bryangutierrez655 Жыл бұрын
I personally use a Ryzen thinclient as an Ubuntu server. Slapped on some more RAM and nvme storage, and it became a decent Minecraft/media machine.
@JulianTorres97 Жыл бұрын
I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR SOME YESTERDAY!! Perfect timing!
@VenturePictures10 ай бұрын
Thanks Linus! I’ve been building a Land Rover Defender infotainment system and want to use a Pi or alternative to run a car infotainment system on a custom touch sceeen ect ect. So much that can be done with these little PCs. Nice to know there’s alternatives!
@BoloH. Жыл бұрын
Good PSUs/wall adapters that pump out 4A @ 5V are pretty few and far between. Also worth noting that if you buy an adjustable wall adapter/PSU that says whatever watts, that number is very likely only achieved at the maximum voltage (i.e. the adapter says 24W and the maximum voltage you can set it to is 24V, it means that it will output only 1A max at whatever voltage).
@DFPercush Жыл бұрын
Most 19 V laptop supplies can put out 4 A. If you can be bothered to do a little soldering, you could make a simple voltage divider with 2 resistors and use an appropriately rated op amp. Feed your 4V reference into the non inverting input (the +), loop the output back to the inverting input (the -), and just make sure it stays cool. The OPA548F/500 from TI could probably do the trick, $17 on digikey. Not sure if that's cheaper than finding the right wall wort but worth a mention.
@Ahmed-El-Bob-99 Жыл бұрын
I really love your content, subbed for over 9 years, but i can't help but notice that a number of times what u say for the specs of a board isn't what is written in the pop up next to the board B-roll in the video, i am sure this is a simple mix-up, and i hope to keep watching your videos for the many years to come
@DarrenPoulson Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good summary of the alternatives. I use the RPi a *lot* for various projects, from the usual home automation, to the less common R2D2 droid! I've managed to get hold of a couple of PI4 recently, and even some Pi Zero 2, but its good to have alternatives. I don't always need the processing power, but the form factor is the key. A lot of people talk about re-using thin clients or old laptops, but if you want something small, the Pi size can't really be beat. I've ordered a couple of Orange Pi3 to try out on some other projects.
@Plumpkatt1 Жыл бұрын
My main complaint with the raspberry Pi's or the fact that they do not support AES instruction set. I prefer using my rockpro64 which does support AES which allows me to mine various CPU coins
@chisangamumba2961 Жыл бұрын
That's a very niche and exceptional use case.
@Cereal_Killr Жыл бұрын
I have a pi4 8GB and use it as a desktop PC for my shop in the basement. I recently upgraded to an Orange pi5 16GB with an onboard 256GB eMMC... and I gotta say it's quite a bit faster...the pi4 will always have a place in my heart! It's the OG of it all!
@bilditup1 Жыл бұрын
I’ve tried a Le Potato. Their software support really isn’t too bad-I’m running their official Ubuntu Server 22.04 LTS image-and Amazon reviews to this effect are really old. The 2GB of RAM (vs 1GB for the Pi3) really helps it out, too. I use it mainly as a low-power TP-Link WiFi controller, and while more RAM would be even better, and updates are, uh, slow, for the price it’s alright. It’s the only Linux install I’ve got running right now that is already on kernel 6.0!
@mskiptr Жыл бұрын
> their > official It really doesn't work like that. If it's theirs then it's not official
@LibreComputer Жыл бұрын
@@mskiptr Ubuntu is slow with patches and enable new hardware features. We maintain a separate kernel and some userspace tooling via apt to make it make the experience more consistent and better. Our kernels are updated weekly for security.
@mskiptr Жыл бұрын
@@LibreComputer That sounds pretty reasonable. Nice I guess I'm just too used to seeing vendors doing a hacked-together BSP release of android or debian and leaving any proper maintenance or upstream bring-up to the community.
@LibreComputer Жыл бұрын
@@mskiptr We redesign everything for every chip we adopt. We do not want to contribute to e-waste. That is why we are very conservative with our SoC choice.
@VideoCesar07 Жыл бұрын
The only SBC I have found to be a viable alternative for the Pi for running Klipper and OctoPrint has been the Le Potato. The documentation and support are definitely nowhere near as good as the Pi but with some searching I found some solutions that would get everything working. There are so many projects I would like to built but I really started getting into the RPi right before prices for all models skyrocketed. It's just completely ridiculous that a RPi Zero 2 W which is supposed to be $12 can't be found anywhere for less than $60 which is the cheapest I found it when I last looked a while back. I am of the same mindset of LTT that even though they said things will improve in 6 months I think backorders, FOMO buyers and scalpers will keep prices high for the rest of 2023.
@killer2600 Жыл бұрын
It's the buyers that are really hurting things. If scalpers didn't have buyers willing to pay the insane prices then scalpers wouldn't be able to sell rPi's at the insane prices. Honestly, there's no reason to pay the outrageous prices either, there are used/refurbished tiny/mini/micro pc's that sell for less and offer way more power, ports, expandability than rPi.
@snoflahke6575 Жыл бұрын
I want to buy a le potato just so i can toss it to the next person who says "you can run that on a potato"... here's one lets see you get it working...
@Vok250 Жыл бұрын
Nearly endless supply of these in the embedded world too. All for a fraction the cost of consumer products. I used to work in the industry and had a desk covered in these things. Mostly running Linux and Blackberry RTOS flavors.
@martinnovak5944 Жыл бұрын
How is it possible that so far nobody mentioned that cool catch Linus made at 6:14, without looking away from camera! No drops for this video (so far). 😄
@heyspookyboogie644 Жыл бұрын
Been trying to get a Raspberry Pi for a friend and a second one for me for like a year or two now, but haven’t been able to find reasonably priced stock for all that time.
@DailyCorvid Жыл бұрын
OrangePi 5 is like $100. Official Pi 400 is $130. Both seem pretty reasonable to me! Both quad core 8GB RAM 5A powered.
@DailyCorvid Жыл бұрын
@@Aomicplane The Pi400 gets overlooked for most projects when it's the most accessible and the best value. It comes with a mouse keyboard and charger, which cost $70 separately. But the entire kit is $130 so that means the Pi400 in that kit costs just $60. I don't see how they can make it cheaper.
@djmorris666 Жыл бұрын
Get the pi400 and take it out of the keyboard
@DailyCorvid Жыл бұрын
@@djmorris666 why would you though? You may as well leave it on there and just design around it. I mean it's more work and expense to remove a feature, that you are then going to have to add back in later anyway. If it's for something like a Pi powered gameboy then you don't need anything that powerful and should get a Pi Zero2 for $34 and use that instead! There is always a Raspberry Pi if you choose the right one... I have loads of them knocking about, and you know all the retro consoles are based off the same idea.
@AndyHerbert254 Жыл бұрын
Going over Raspi alternatives, can we expect a future video about Mini PC diy and prebuilt options? Sure you've explored budget-mid-high range PCs, prebuilts, and unique mini PCs, but nothing focusing generally on mini PC options, which I would expect would include some Raspis and similar.
@ethanberg1 Жыл бұрын
Someone didn't proofread the spelling of Raspberry @ 1:56 lol but a great video with great alternatives! Thanks!
@sonofabippi Жыл бұрын
I really dig this video --- because it's almost like the only content for SBCs are those incredibly deep, deep dives. I like those too, but I forget about the one I just watched as I watch the next one. They just all blur together. ALSO --- Good deal with doing some of the spendier units. Because the other thing with Pi4 was it was often what we used because it was the only game in town and we would have loved to have something more performant but the next step up was a BIG step up into something like a full-on small form factor PC.